Poker casino but need KYC, is this really necessary?

[sunsilk]

Well, I believe this judgment can be a little subjective and relative for some poker players.
I believe that some platforms these days still ask (obligation) to perform KYC, but I don't see great reasons for doing this, because as already commented by other users, I believe that gambling activities should not be taken so seriously, compared to other platforms that need the use of KYC.

They do ask it because they're also asked to do so by the government that covers them. It's part of the regulation and that's why they're asking for KYC.

But if there's an option and it's not mandatory, there's no problem with that as the players will just keep going without anything to worry. So if you find the site where you've been playing poker has been mandating KYC, you can go to another one that's reputable that don't force it.

I actually hated to sends KYC verification before due to some rumors or that possibly it is going to happen but later on, it was to realize that is the security purposes that could help to protect us when hacking incidents surprisingly comes. This is for us but yes, it is an option to take but most sites now are encouraging gamblers to take that process in order to be fully verified. If that you have trusted the site, I think it was not a big problem, we have to think that it was for our own good.

There is no rumor about KYC, some casinos do really do that and there's nothing to hide from that implementation on their end. That reasoning that you've just given about hacking incidents to prove that you're the actual owner of that account and fund looks good.

But everyone are safe browsers and won't allow themselves to get hacked unless it's the fault of the casino. Well, we just all have to bear with it and if you don't like that poker site anymore, shift to the other.

[Mahanton]

This is a very negative trend. 

There is less and less anonymity and privacy in the world. 

People are less and less likely to remember their basic civil rights.  About the Declaration of Human Rights.  One of the basic legal principles is the presumption of innocence.  I am not obliged to prove my trustworthiness and innocence. 

I am innocent and trustworthy by default.  KYC in online casinos violates this basic principle. 

Therefore, I am fundamentally against KYC in poker casinos.

For sure.

But unfortunately there is generally nothing that the sportsbooks can actually do in order to gain immunity from government regulations. It's just a matter of life that you'd have to live with.

Thankfully there are still alternatives out there that offer KYC-free services to players, including well known names such as Nitrogen and Stake. Hopefully they don't turn sour any time soon.

A business would undergo some regulation unless if its non regulated and no license to operate or something like that but its impossible to presume for that situation knowing that as long you do have
physical place or having a business which means you would need to pay up taxes because it cant really be considered legitimate if its not under any regulation or doesnt pay up tax as well.
Its an unavoidable on any business out there doesnt matter if its typical or casual businesses or in crypto based.Sooner or later they would really be following on whats
mandated.

[TheGreatPython]

I agree that KYC will just incentive people to fake documents and to have less privacy
nothing new under the sun for governments

but this also brings the possibility for people to create permissionless Dapps for gambling that have no KYC and are provably fair

Casinos with provably fair games like Dice are almost always going to operate with KYC and all those stuff. Casinos that have third-party slots and games are more likely to ask for documents because these providers pressure the casinos.

Fake verification is quite a hilarious trend in the market. There are people selling their identity to big players and even allowing them to get postal verification and anything else they might require. There's nothing the casino or the government can do when someone is selling their identity cheaply and the player simply uses a VPN for his country.

[michellee]

This is a very negative trend. 

There is less and less anonymity and privacy in the world. 

People are less and less likely to remember their basic civil rights.  About the Declaration of Human Rights.  One of the basic legal principles is the presumption of innocence.  I am not obliged to prove my trustworthiness and innocence. 

I am innocent and trustworthy by default.  KYC in online casinos violates this basic principle. 

Therefore, I am fundamentally against KYC in poker casinos.

For sure.

But unfortunately there is generally nothing that the sportsbooks can actually do in order to gain immunity from government regulations. It's just a matter of life that you'd have to live with.

Thankfully there are still alternatives out there that offer KYC-free services to players, including well known names such as Nitrogen and Stake. Hopefully they don't turn sour any time soon.

We are free to use the casino that does not require KYC to avoid submitting the document to the other party because we are really concerned about our privacy. The sportsbooks only follow what their government asks because that is related to their business. Maybe they can use general verification for their members and not use strict rules so they do not see their members moving to another casino requiring KYC. It could be a dilemma for the casino as they want to run their business without a problem but on the other side, they have been forced by the government to apply KYC.

[madnessteat]

There are many options to play poker without having to go through KYC if the player does not want to disclose his personal information to third parties or is concerned about their safety.

But even if you play at a casino that does not require you to pass the KYC, you should be prepared for the fact that at any time you will be asked to do so.

[btc78]

This is a very negative trend. 

There is less and less anonymity and privacy in the world. 

People are less and less likely to remember their basic civil rights.  About the Declaration of Human Rights.  One of the basic legal principles is the presumption of innocence.  I am not obliged to prove my trustworthiness and innocence. 

I am innocent and trustworthy by default.  KYC in online casinos violates this basic principle. 

Therefore, I am fundamentally against KYC in poker casinos.

but the gambling sites was being abused and the criminals and syndicates uses the Sites as their way to transport money safer without being noticed.
in short the gambling site acts as Mixing company for the funds to not shows who owns and to flow clearly safer in their part.
this was being proven for years now and this is the same reason why governments are requiring gambling operators to asks KYC for their players or will be shut down.
so either we want it or not , they are obliged to comply of they wanna continue doing business.

[Betwrong]

There are many options to play poker without having to go through KYC if the player does not want to disclose his personal information to third parties or is concerned about their safety.

But even if you play at a casino that does not require you to pass the KYC, you should be prepared for the fact that at any time you will be asked to do so.

Exactly. It happened to me 2 times already: when I was registering 2-3 years ago, no KYC was mentioned in the process, and this year they KYCed me to the bones.  I'm sure this trend will continue, and I have no problem with that, to be honest. When talking about KYC, we always mention terrorists and criminals, but we forget about corrupt officials, who, I think, launder more money than all terrorists and criminals combined. Those scumbags must be stopped from robbing their nations, and if KYC is a part of the war on them, I'm all for it.

Btw, can anyone say what they are afraid of exactly when providing a poker site with their personal details? Don't you think that even without the Internet dozens of entities know all that and more about you already?

[l3pox]

I agree that KYC will just incentive people to fake documents and to have less privacy
nothing new under the sun for governments

but this also brings the possibility for people to create permissionless Dapps for gambling that have no KYC and are provably fair

Casinos with provably fair games like Dice are almost always going to operate with KYC and all those stuff. Casinos that have third-party slots and games are more likely to ask for documents because these providers pressure the casinos.

Fake verification is quite a hilarious trend in the market. There are people selling their identity to big players and even allowing them to get postal verification and anything else they might require. There's nothing the casino or the government can do when someone is selling their identity cheaply and the player simply uses a VPN for his country.

exactly, and your second paragraph is the bright side of the story
KYC requeriments creates an incentive for people to steal documents and for a parallel market to be created
just like with drugs, making something forbidden is not the way to stop it

I understand asking for a document in real life, but this is totally different than KYC on digital casinos or even exchanges

[worldofcoins]

I have noticed that too but in the Poker casinos that accept local currency, They have to pay the taxes when you refund and so do you.
They also have to keep track of people who deposit and if the money was stolen then the KYC info of that particular user can be shared with the authorities but it shouldn't be an issue with a Crypto-related Poker casino.

There are several poker apps "I won't name them here" that accept Cryptocurrency and don't ask for KYC more than Email verification which in itself is a security measure for your account/

[SirLancelot]

This is a very negative trend. 

Yes, crypto casinos are shifting towards centralization now.

There is less and less anonymity and privacy in the world. 

I think a lot of players were playing from illegal jurisdictions which has forced casinos to require KYC. The gambling license provider needs to make sure things are in order and legal.

I am innocent and trustworthy by default.  KYC in online casinos violates this basic principle. 

To be honest, if you are both innocent and trustworthy then you should be happier with KYC because it provides you a better security in case your account is compromised. I am against this centralization of casinos too but have to admit KYC also offers some benefits.

[Sanugarid]

For me, the only necessary time that KYC is needed in a site that's offering poker is when the matches in those sites are high stakes, I mean you have to somehow make sure that you're not going to be duped or have your money taken by casino right so I think in a high stakes casino, it's better to have a KYC than have nothing at all.

[madnessteat]

~ Btw, can anyone say what they are afraid of exactly when providing a poker site with their personal details? Don't you think that even without the Internet dozens of entities know all that and more about you already?

There is a high probability that our personal data is already on the black market because very often state institutions are not able to provide their secure storage (at least in my country many databases from state institutions leaked into the network).

If you use cryptocurrency and pass the KYC you automatically connect your identity with wallet addresses. As practice shows in some countries the laws are retroactive. That's why many people don't want to lose their anonymity.

[Lanatsa]

I have noticed that too but in the Poker casinos that accept local currency, They have to pay the taxes when you refund and so do you.
They also have to keep track of people who deposit and if the money was stolen then the KYC info of that particular user can be shared with the authorities but it shouldn't be an issue with a Crypto-related Poker casino.

There are several poker apps "I won't name them here" that accept Cryptocurrency and don't ask for KYC more than Email verification which in itself is a security measure for your account/

When it comes to KYC implementations then expect that there would be lots of strings attached to it.  

Lots do hate KYC but if you do really eager on playing on a poker casino then you would just simply deal with it and agree.
Really necessary? They would really be asking it out and if you don't like then simply skip and find another place.

[pinggoki]

Well the question is a bit subjective because some people will favor the existence or lack thereof of KYC even in a poker casino site. Some may like KYC because of the added protection it offers to the customer or in this case you. Some will prefer the lack of KYC due to the accessibility and the fact that you can literally just signup and load your account and then you're good to go. Personally I prefer KYC on gambling sites that offer a lot of games because then I know there are huge possibilities of being hacked and being stolen from, at least for me. For sites that only offer one game, I'm okay with it not being KYC-packed.

For me, the only necessary time that KYC is needed in a site that's offering poker is when the matches in those sites are high stakes, I mean you have to somehow make sure that you're not going to be duped or have your money taken by casino right so I think in a high stakes casino, it's better to have a KYC than have nothing at all.

This makes sense. if it's for casual games that don't go over the thousands of dollars at stake I don't think it'll be worth the effort to invest on something as expansive as KYC, then again implementing KYC beforehand should also be a good thing anyway since you can never tell which poker games will be high stakes or not and for that matter it's better to offer the same type of security for all games within your site by adding KYC upon signup. That way everyone is secured and no one gets left out.

[john_nautica]

It depends where are you playing poker but if it was on a licensed gambling website I think you really need to complete the KYC but if you're afraid to play on the gambling sites where you should complete KYC I think you can play on alternative poker website such as https://swcpoker.club/ I mostly spend my time playing on the SWC poker they have good graphics and they don't require user to KYC.

[Betwrong]

~ Btw, can anyone say what they are afraid of exactly when providing a poker site with their personal details? Don't you think that even without the Internet dozens of entities know all that and more about you already?

There is a high probability that our personal data is already on the black market because very often state institutions are not able to provide their secure storage (at least in my country many databases from state institutions leaked into the network).

If you use cryptocurrency and pass the KYC you automatically connect your identity with wallet addresses. As practice shows in some countries the laws are retroactive. That's why many people don't want to lose their anonymity.

Laws shouldn't be retroactive, but, well, we are living in the world where not everything is like it should be. So, I can perfectly understand poker players living in some crazy countries where the less they know about you, the better, when they don't want to disclose themselves. However, I do believe that in most cases, it would be very hard to extract your personal info from a poker site located in another country or a third party KYC company.

[madnessteat]

^

I don't see the point in guessing how protected your personal data is. I perfectly understand people who don't pass the KYC because as I told many times before there is a big enough number of sites that offer users the game of poker without the need to provide their personal data which allows to completely eliminate the risk of leakage of personal data to the black market.

Here is an example of one of such sites - https://t.me/pokerton_chat_en (not advertising) 

[l3pox]

I have noticed that too but in the Poker casinos that accept local currency, They have to pay the taxes when you refund and so do you.
They also have to keep track of people who deposit and if the money was stolen then the KYC info of that particular user can be shared with the authorities but it shouldn't be an issue with a Crypto-related Poker casino.

There are several poker apps "I won't name them here" that accept Cryptocurrency and don't ask for KYC more than Email verification which in itself is a security measure for your account/

When it comes to KYC implementations then expect that there would be lots of strings attached to it.  

Lots do hate KYC but if you do really eager on playing on a poker casino then you would just simply deal with it and agree.
Really necessary? They would really be asking it out and if you don't like then simply skip and find another place.

the thing is we get used to small actions like this that remove our privacy without a clear benefit for people
but on the other hand I also understand you problem and think that is not such a big deal to show your documents to KYC in real life
though in the virtual world it should be different

[chaser15]

Really necessary? They would really be asking it out and if you don't like then simply skip and find another place.

That was the basic response if you are new to the site.

But what if your favorite site implements that? Can you still apply that find another place argument? It's not easy to just try a non-reputable site just to avoid KYC that's why at least these reputable sites will not implement KYC.

I don't see any sense of underdoing a KYC where you are only a casual gambler. No way I will submit my personal ID and documents for a $100-$200 budget activity for gambling every 2 weeks or a month.

[Peanutswar]

I have noticed that too but in the Poker casinos that accept local currency, They have to pay the taxes when you refund and so do you.
They also have to keep track of people who deposit and if the money was stolen then the KYC info of that particular user can be shared with the authorities but it shouldn't be an issue with a Crypto-related Poker casino.

There are several poker apps "I won't name them here" that accept Cryptocurrency and don't ask for KYC more than Email verification which in itself is a security measure for your account/

When it comes to KYC implementations then expect that there would be lots of strings attached to it.  

Lots do hate KYC but if you do really eager on playing on a poker casino then you would just simply deal with it and agree.
Really necessary? They would really be asking it out and if you don't like then simply skip and find another place.

The cryptocurrency gambling platforms today are now widely implemented their KYC verification for their players to make sure they are not just a spam and legit players also to make another layer of security for the users and the platform itself some of the users does not want to have this kind of new feature because they don't want to give their personal information, some of the platform have their level of verification depends on them how it works, but if the player does not want this kind of feature they have the rights to freely not play with this platform and look for another. The end of the day players decision still.