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September 20, 2021, 10:38:40 PM
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I see only  small chance of upset since the preparation is long enough for Alvarez to learn more about the strategy and fighting skills of Plant. Let's wait and witness how things will end from this upcoming fight.

It's hard to believe that Canelo will struggle in this fight because all his fights after the Gennadiy Golovkin were all won by either TKO or UD. This is a statement that Canelo is on a different level while his opponent although has a good record is inferior to him.

Also hard for me to believe that there will be an upset in the fight. But who knows. I won't close the book right away. It's hard to bet on this fight if you are on Canelo's side. No options to bet unless want to risk a small amount for big returns or choose on what round Canelo will win which is riskier than betting on Caleb Plant.

Canelo still has a lot of time to prove that he can achieve more, Manny Pacquiao was still a champion at 40, so I don't think Canelo cannot achieve that if he will continue to take care of his body. Canelo is a type of boxer that never gets tired, he just wants to collect more cash as this is gonna be his 3rd fight this year alone.

I would not be surprised if he still continues to dominate for the next 5 years, if you look the way he fights, he is like an oiled machine that would not be tired in the 12 rounds, and not only that, he doesn't throw his punch without an aim, he is always on point and you can see how the quality of punches landed to his opponent, good example on that is on how he slowly destroy Billy Joe Saunders.

I agree but we don't know if he's still in his shape in the next 5 years.

At his current age, we can still say that he is still on post-prime that's why we see him still at his best. Right now, it's a blessing for us to see him fighting continuously this year and I hope next year.

But we shouldn't look down on Caleb Plant. I consider him as a tough match for Canelo.

canelo is obviously the heavy favourite here by the bookies. wondering if there are bettors here that will place bet on caleb. and i am assuming, they will bet on caleb for the reason that odds are great, which can possibly give good payout at the end of the day.
but if canelo wins, he will further boost his value in boxing. at least see other interesting boxers in this gen once older ones like pacquiao retires.

Yes, there will always be a bettor for Caleb Plant especially his fans. And for the gambler's side, there are gamblers who like to test the risks as odds for Caleb Plant is great and attractive for them. Upset has a low chance to happen but the chance is still a chance for others no matter how small it is. On the other side, no profit much if betting for Canelo.
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September 20, 2021, 11:59:30 PM
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If that is what they have been telling to Caleb then this is a huge mistake, it is obvious Canelo is going to have a lot of support from the public because as I said he carries himself in a respectful way, but there are many others that will dislike him simply because he is winning with such ease, so the only thing that Caleb needed to do was to embrace his status as the underdog and he would have gotten even more support, after all who does not like an underdog story? But I think he is shooting himself on the foot if his trash talking is actually being used to try to gather support for himself.
Yes, it's really a bad move by Caleb to make his way to the fight and trash talk Canelo. He will pay dearly for it, Canelo doesn't talk but maybe deep inside he will surely aiming for the head and knock out Caleb if it presents itself. Caleb on the other hard is making himself into a deep position because how can you trash talk a fighter wherein he is destroying everyone in the path? And Caleb will not gather any support from the public, on the contrary he could be hated for this for the rest of his boxing career.
Canelo is an extremely disciplined fighter, he doesn't seem to be the kind of person that is going to let those provocations take him out of his game, but at the same time I think he's going to remember and when he's above that ring he's going to try to punish him for talking so much, so I think instead of going for the knockout immediately he's probably going to punch him on the body over and over again so he doesn't forget who is he fighting against and that Canelo is not someone that you take lightly.
He does his talking in the ring, that's what I admire so much about him. His opponent can talk trash about him but he will just continue training, focus on his game plan and during the fight night, he will do his usual job, which is to destroy an opponent. Caleb Plant better be aggressive inside too, not just talk trash outside trying to play mind games.

I'm expecting Caleb Plant is well prepared for this fight. We can expect he will be aggressive here. It's something an achievement already that he is facing a tough Canelo. Winning against this boxer will result in much fame, popularity, and future big contracts that he never experienced in his career.

But let's be real here, that's only "what if". I'm also one of the users here that thinks an upset will not happen.

Caleb Plant is currently at @5.60. Can't resist that odds for those gamblers who are looking for decent odds.

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September 21, 2021, 01:09:57 AM
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^^ Yes good odds for Caleb, but it's really hard to see him upsetting Canelo in this fight. Perhaps it will be competitive as Caleb will try to make the fight very close to the judges eye. And Canelo is slow started, but will make his move around 4-6 rounds or in the middle of the fight and we don't know if Caleb can deal with Canelo's power. So I would say  that smart money should be for Canelo in this fight.

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September 21, 2021, 10:09:45 PM
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Today was the first press conference and there was an altercation between the fighters. During this brawl Canelo was able to show his reflexes by avoiding Caleb's punch and landing his own shot that cut Plant's face. There is clearly some bad blood between these guys. If today was a preview of the actual fight then Plant could be in for a severe beatdown.

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September 21, 2021, 10:57:40 PM
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Today was the first press conference and there was an altercation between the fighters. During this brawl Canelo was able to show his reflexes by avoiding Caleb's punch and landing his own shot that cut Plant's face. There is clearly some bad blood between these guys. If today was a preview of the actual fight then Plant could be in for a severe beatdown.

Yet many still believe that Caleb has a good chance against Canelo one of them is four-division champion Mikey Garcia

Mikey Garcia Believes Plant's Skills Give Him a Shot To Shock Canelo

It is still six weeks to go but these two guys want to get it on this early, Plant wants to get to Canelo's head with his trash-talking and he successfully did that at this conference I'm sure promoters and organizers will not allow this kind of face to face again.

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September 22, 2021, 03:20:38 AM
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It is still six weeks to go but these two guys want to get it on this early, Plant wants to get to Canelo's head with his trash-talking and he successfully did that at this conference I'm sure promoters and organizers will not allow this kind of face to face again.

Don't know whether it was Caleb's idea, or he was forced in to it by the organizers. But from what I can see, Canelo refused to take the bait. He just focused on his training and preparations, completely ignoring the statements from Caleb. And I guess the entire episode may have had just the opposite effect of what was intended. It might have left Caleb even more frustrated. Now given all this, I really don't see any chance for Caleb to win. Odds are looking attractive, at +500 to +600, but what is the point if he has zero chance to win?

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Don't know whether it was Caleb's idea, or he was forced in to it by the organizers. But from what I can see, Canelo refused to take the bait. He just focused on his training and preparations, completely ignoring the statements from Caleb. And I guess the entire episode may have had just the opposite effect of what was intended. It might have left Caleb even more frustrated. Now given all this, I really don't see any chance for Caleb to win. Odds are looking attractive, at +500 to +600, but what is the point if he has zero chance to win?


I hope the cut will heal in time the organizers should have jump immediately when Canelo Push Caleb but they waited too long until the scuttle
it could have gone wrong if the left hook landed on Canelo's face, Canelo really has a very fast reflex, the left hook was fast enough to hit anyone even a good boxer because it's not telepathic.

I'm still surprised why they let the two alone on stage, that is not normal.


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September 22, 2021, 06:18:40 AM
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It is still six weeks to go but these two guys want to get it on this early, Plant wants to get to Canelo's head with his trash-talking and he successfully did that at this conference I'm sure promoters and organizers will not allow this kind of face to face again.

Don't know whether it was Caleb's idea, or he was forced in to it by the organizers. But from what I can see, Canelo refused to take the bait. He just focused on his training and preparations, completely ignoring the statements from Caleb. And I guess the entire episode may have had just the opposite effect of what was intended. It might have left Caleb even more frustrated. Now given all this, I really don't see any chance for Caleb to win. Odds are looking attractive, at +500 to +600, but what is the point if he has zero chance to win?

Weird though to see Canelo's losing his cool on a press con, so I'm not sure if this was stage or not, but as you can see when he throw that left hook, it was not on a close fist but rather like a chop, a karate chop. But it took a damage on Caleb's face already, thus it will create an even greater hype for this upcoming fight. But the odds are not going to change, Canelo will still be the favourite to win this fight.

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Weird though to see Canelo's losing his cool on a press con, so I'm not sure if this was stage or not, but as you can see when he throw that left hook, it was not on a close fist but rather like a chop, a karate chop. But it took a damage on Caleb's face already, thus it will create an even greater hype for this upcoming fight. But the odds are not going to change, Canelo will still be the favourite to win this fight.

I think it was natural for Canelo to get emotional and throw a punch at Caleb Plant at the press conference, because at that time Caleb Plant had insulted Canelo's mother, I think the boxing committee should now forbid the fighters to say these things Bad things that are racist or insulting, religion and family in the faceoff session, but with this incident it is certain that the fight will be an exciting and bloody fight because of course Canelo will repay the insult with all his abilities in the ring later.

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September 22, 2021, 10:35:10 AM
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I think it was natural for Canelo to get emotional and throw a punch at Caleb Plant at the press conference, because at that time Caleb Plant had insulted Canelo's mother, I think the boxing committee should now forbid the fighters to say these things Bad things that are racist or insulting, religion and family in the faceoff session, but with this incident it is certain that the fight will be an exciting and bloody fight because of course Canelo will repay the insult with all his abilities in the ring later.

Canelo has not controlled his emotions that time and it might worked against him during the fight, I hope not.

Outside the ring, you can say anything you wanted to say and no rules prohibiting you to do that so i guess it would be just on fight night that Canelo would avenge everything that Caleb has said.

With what had happened during the press conference, I think tickets would be selling like hotcakes.
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I think it was natural for Canelo to get emotional and throw a punch at Caleb Plant at the press conference, because at that time Caleb Plant had insulted Canelo's mother, I think the boxing committee should now forbid the fighters to say these things Bad things that are racist or insulting, religion and family in the faceoff session, but with this incident it is certain that the fight will be an exciting and bloody fight because of course Canelo will repay the insult with all his abilities in the ring later.

Canelo has not controlled his emotions that time and it might worked against him during the fight, I hope not.

Outside the ring, you can say anything you wanted to say and no rules prohibiting you to do that so i guess it would be just on fight night that Canelo would avenge everything that Caleb has said.

With what had happened during the press conference, I think tickets would be selling like hotcakes.

Thanks for the update, I just have to see it in youtube, and see this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfgY4-59ZxQ

That push of Canelo says that he is really strong, though Caleb Plant looks taller but Canelo's strength is pretty evident.
I think this will make more fans excited, and you are right, that would result in higher ticket sales.
They'll see in the ring and I predict a KO.

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Thanks for the update, I just have to see it in youtube, and see this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfgY4-59ZxQ

That push of Canelo says that he is really strong, though Caleb Plant looks taller but Canelo's strength is pretty evident.
I think this will make more fans excited, and you are right, that would result in higher ticket sales.
They'll see in the ring and I predict a KO.
It just means that you can't bully Alvarez he gets the push and the two punch that cut Caleb's skin below the eye, Caleb is crossing the line here, you can get persona on the guy but leave the family, Caleb will taste a big beating comes the fight night, he is also accusing Alvarez of drug abuse, he should concentrate on the fight, he has a big problem ahead and this is how to deal Alvarez's speed and power.
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Thanks for the update, I just have to see it in youtube, and see this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfgY4-59ZxQ
 

Stuff like that definitely helps to promote the fight and this time i even believe that it was not completely staged unlike all the other times when it happened before fights of Mayweather or Mcgregor. Canelo is just an incredibily strong guy and when those two fighters are standing next to each other the difference between them is extremely obvious. Plant is taller and leaner and has a pretty big reach advantage of 4 inches, but i think that Alvarez is used to that already and it won't really bother him or be a big disadvantage for him, as he is a rather small guy but with an extremely blocky physique and also very fast. Alvarez is without a doubt the big favorite in this fight.
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Thanks for the update, I just have to see it in youtube, and see this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfgY4-59ZxQ

That push of Canelo says that he is really strong, though Caleb Plant looks taller but Canelo's strength is pretty evident.
I think this will make more fans excited, and you are right, that would result in higher ticket sales.
They'll see in the ring and I predict a KO.
It just means that you can't bully Alvarez he gets the push and the two punch that cut Caleb's skin below the eye, Caleb is crossing the line here, you can get persona on the guy but leave the family, Caleb will taste a big beating comes the fight night, he is also accusing Alvarez of drug abuse, he should concentrate on the fight, he has a big problem ahead and this is how to deal Alvarez's speed and power.

This heated up Canelo and I never know that Canelo is this sensitive. But anyway, thanks that Plant was not seriously injured, at least we can expect that the fight will push through next month and hopefully Plant will not just talk much, he should train more as well.

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Thanks for the update, I just have to see it in youtube, and see this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfgY4-59ZxQ
 

Stuff like that definitely helps to promote the fight and this time i even believe that it was not completely staged unlike all the other times when it happened before fights of Mayweather or Mcgregor. Canelo is just an incredibily strong guy and when those two fighters are standing next to each other the difference between them is extremely obvious. Plant is taller and leaner and has a pretty big reach advantage of 4 inches, but i think that Alvarez is used to that already and it won't really bother him or be a big disadvantage for him, as he is a rather small guy but with an extremely blocky physique and also very fast. Alvarez is without a doubt the big favorite in this fight.

Canelo's built in this face off is scary, he is so thick, just look at his neck when they do the sides. Yeah, Canelo has used to fighting guys which is much taller than him, but the physical advantage is not there. So with this scuffle, the hype is building more and it seems that this is going to be very personal as far as Canelo goes. He doesn't gave any on the public as far as Caleb's plan bad mouthing him and his team. But in the face off, he went crazy and than pull back and then left hook, we are going to see that in the fight, for sure.
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September 22, 2021, 11:45:49 AM
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Weird though to see Canelo's losing his cool on a press con, so I'm not sure if this was stage or not, but as you can see when he throw that left hook, it was not on a close fist but rather like a chop, a karate chop. But it took a damage on Caleb's face already, thus it will create an even greater hype for this upcoming fight. But the odds are not going to change, Canelo will still be the favourite to win this fight.

I think it was natural for Canelo to get emotional and throw a punch at Caleb Plant at the press conference, because at that time Caleb Plant had insulted Canelo's mother, I think the boxing committee should now forbid the fighters to say these things Bad things that are racist or insulting, religion and family in the faceoff session, but with this incident it is certain that the fight will be an exciting and bloody fight because of course Canelo will repay the insult with all his abilities in the ring later.

We don't know what's being said at their face off. But for sure Canelo has been taking mental notes of Caleb's attack on twitter. Or maybe he really did insult Canelo's mother that's why he lost his focus and push Caleb. As far as trash talking goes though, I don't think that they should forbid it, that's part of the game, it's either you take it on stride and used it as motivation, or lost your concentration, in that case that is already a psyche war victory by your opponents. And for sure Canelo will repay the insult with a knock out and take Caleb's 0.
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September 22, 2021, 11:54:02 AM
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Thanks for the update, I just have to see it in youtube, and see this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfgY4-59ZxQ

That push of Canelo says that he is really strong, though Caleb Plant looks taller but Canelo's strength is pretty evident.
I think this will make more fans excited, and you are right, that would result in higher ticket sales.
They'll see in the ring and I predict a KO.
It just means that you can't bully Alvarez he gets the push and the two punch that cut Caleb's skin below the eye, Caleb is crossing the line here, you can get persona on the guy but leave the family, Caleb will taste a big beating comes the fight night, he is also accusing Alvarez of drug abuse, he should concentrate on the fight, he has a big problem ahead and this is how to deal Alvarez's speed and power.
with this dispute, of course, the fight will heat up later, I think the psywar launched by the two boxers is one strategy to increase the interest of boxing fans to watch the fight later. I watched a video of the conference on YouTube and saw that Canelo reacted very quickly to avoid Caleb Plant's left hook and then hit Caleb Plant back with a very good combination, I think the fight will be well worth the wait, because the conference the heat will heat up the fight even more Grin.

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Thanks for the update, I just have to see it in youtube, and see this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfgY4-59ZxQ

That push of Canelo says that he is really strong, though Caleb Plant looks taller but Canelo's strength is pretty evident.
I think this will make more fans excited, and you are right, that would result in higher ticket sales.
They'll see in the ring and I predict a KO.
It just means that you can't bully Alvarez he gets the push and the two punch that cut Caleb's skin below the eye, Caleb is crossing the line here, you can get persona on the guy but leave the family, Caleb will taste a big beating comes the fight night, he is also accusing Alvarez of drug abuse, he should concentrate on the fight, he has a big problem ahead and this is how to deal Alvarez's speed and power.
with this dispute, of course, the fight will heat up later, I think the psywar launched by the two boxers is one strategy to increase the interest of boxing fans to watch the fight later. I watched a video of the conference on YouTube and saw that Canelo reacted very quickly to avoid Caleb Plant's left hook and then hit Caleb Plant back with a very good combination, I think the fight will be well worth the wait, because the conference the heat will heat up the fight even more Grin.
Indeed, this is a great match, fans love to see how Canelo will punish Plant in the ring.

Plant has to be prepared in the fight, it's his best chance to be popular by beating the almost unbeatable Canelo Alvarez.
By the way, I'm wondering why the odds is still not up until now knowing this fight is a popular fight.

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September 22, 2021, 02:07:13 PM
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I think it was natural for Canelo to get emotional and throw a punch at Caleb Plant at the press conference, because at that time Caleb Plant had insulted Canelo's mother, I think the boxing committee should now forbid the fighters to say these things Bad things that are racist or insulting, religion and family in the faceoff session, but with this incident it is certain that the fight will be an exciting and bloody fight because of course Canelo will repay the insult with all his abilities in the ring later.

Canelo has not controlled his emotions that time and it might worked against him during the fight, I hope not.

Outside the ring, you can say anything you wanted to say and no rules prohibiting you to do that so i guess it would be just on fight night that Canelo would avenge everything that Caleb has said.

With what had happened during the press conference, I think tickets would be selling like hotcakes.

it's true what you say if there is no prohibition about a boxer doing a verbal war to bring down his opponent mentality before fighting, but in my opinion there must be certain limits in this regard, I think everyone here would agree that psywar should not attack religion, family as well as the color of a person skin and while many other sports have begun to uphold the value of sportsmanship and reject racism, of course boxing athletes can also do it in my opinion, I think a good psywar is one that attacks the individual player without having to bring racism and ridicule to their families.

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September 22, 2021, 02:27:07 PM
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it's true what you say if there is no prohibition about a boxer doing a verbal war to bring down his opponent mentality before fighting, but in my opinion there must be certain limits in this regard, I think everyone here would agree that psywar should not attack religion, family as well as the color of a person skin and while many other sports have begun to uphold the value of sportsmanship and reject racism, of course boxing athletes can also do it in my opinion, I think a good psywar is one that attacks the individual player without having to bring racism and ridicule to their families.
Caleb is out of his mind he deserves that cut, he stoops at a very low level what you give is what you get, I am not surprised if he gets backlash from the boxing community, if he is confident that he can beat Canelo then wait for the right time, he will fail to get in the mind of Canelo because Canelo is a warrior and he's been to a lot of great fights, he is not even half of those fights.
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