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October 09, 2021, 11:36:40 AM
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Caleb for me should take every opportunities to go toe to toe,
with that trash talk that  it's more likely that fans expect him not be lite from this fight.
He should focus more trying his best countering whatever Alvarez will use against him, this incoming fight will be mostly anticipated,

I'm looking forward to that for Caleb too. He should live on his trash talk and proves that he's not just about the mouth. Looks like a distraction to me for Canelo if he will think on that trash talk just to beat Caleb. He should take that as an advantage and destroy Canelo's rhythm.

But he can really do it? Canelo is a boxer that was too focus as always on his match. Canelo is a tough and sturdy wall to destroy for Caleb Plant.

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October 09, 2021, 12:46:03 PM
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Caleb for me should take every opportunities to go toe to toe,
with that trash talk that  it's more likely that fans expect him not be lite from this fight.
He should focus more trying his best countering whatever Alvarez will use against him, this incoming fight will be mostly anticipated,

I'm looking forward to that for Caleb too. He should live on his trash talk and proves that he's not just about the mouth. Looks like a distraction to me for Canelo if he will think on that trash talk just to beat Caleb. He should take that as an advantage and destroy Canelo's rhythm.

But he can really do it? Canelo is a boxer that was too focus as always on his match. Canelo is a tough and sturdy wall to destroy for Caleb Plant.

We will find out in their fight, Canelo is always the favorite of everyone's eyes, but Caleb here is trying to play the mind games but we can't also underestimate him because he has the capacity to win, although the odds say otherwise. Caleb is disrespectful and it seems like Canelo take it seriously, whether it's part of the fight promotion but when a boxer feels disrespected, he might be too harsh to his opponent and Caleb should anticipate that already.

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October 09, 2021, 03:25:52 PM
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1.08 is worth betting because the chance of losing is very slim. You'd have to bet a big amount thought but consider the fight a bit free of risk because Canelo is still in his prime. The contenders he battled with before Plant are even closer to Canelo's level of skills but he overcome them. If for instance there will be an upset, it will also be a terrible loss.

The fight will still be next month, the odds will change when date approaches.

Well, I respect if you feel it's worth betting on that odds. of course, if you have a big amount of money, 8% return is very significant but for most bettors who do not have that, then maybe they will look for a different market with better odds. Betting on the over/under would give better odds IMO, but then, it depends on how you see the risk and reward, it's always the bettor's call in the end.

If he has that amount and willing to take that risk, we all know that there are possibilities is a two-way result even bookies bring that odd and the chances of winning are big for Alvarez. It will be concluded after the fight happened. Different gamblers have their different views about this kind of risk, some who happened to be a fan or more experienced gamblers understand what they are taking and they are willing to invest a huge amount of money to have a good slice of winning money.

No, I will not bet with just 1.08 odds but my word was for the rich people who are willing to just throw huge amounts only to win small while it's not totally risky. But for me who has only $15 extra a week to bet, I'd rather wait for a sports match that I know I can at least get 50% (1.50).  Thats why I said, the odds will change when the date is nearer.

If I can see at least 1.30 I might while I can almost assure myself Canelo will win and at the same time I can say $15 is just nothing if an upset happens.


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October 09, 2021, 09:05:29 PM
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1.08 is worth betting because the chance of losing is very slim. You'd have to bet a big amount thought but consider the fight a bit free of risk because Canelo is still in his prime. The contenders he battled with before Plant are even closer to Canelo's level of skills but he overcome them. If for instance there will be an upset, it will also be a terrible loss.

The fight will still be next month, the odds will change when date approaches.

Well, I respect if you feel it's worth betting on that odds. of course, if you have a big amount of money, 8% return is very significant but for most bettors who do not have that, then maybe they will look for a different market with better odds. Betting on the over/under would give better odds IMO, but then, it depends on how you see the risk and reward, it's always the bettor's call in the end.

If he has that amount and willing to take that risk, we all know that there are possibilities is a two-way result even bookies bring that odd and the chances of winning are big for Alvarez. It will be concluded after the fight happened. Different gamblers have their different views about this kind of risk, some who happened to be a fan or more experienced gamblers understand what they are taking and they are willing to invest a huge amount of money to have a good slice of winning money.

No, I will not bet with just 1.08 odds but my word was for the rich people who are willing to just throw huge amounts only to win small while it's not totally risky. But for me who has only $15 extra a week to bet, I'd rather wait for a sports match that I know I can at least get 50% (1.50).  Thats why I said, the odds will change when the date is nearer.

If I can see at least 1.30 I might while I can almost assure myself Canelo will win and at the same time I can say $15 is just nothing if an upset happens.


Rich people who gamblers are smart as well, they will not put a bet when they think it's not worth to risk, and 1.08 may be attractive for some but for other rich gamblers, it may be too low for the return of their money. As a gambler, rich or not, all we want is to win and be satisfied, without achieving that, we will not enjoy gambling, so it's wise if we will just sit this one than forcing ourselves to bet when they are not confident enough

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October 09, 2021, 09:18:13 PM
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Rich people who gamblers are smart as well, they will not put a bet when they think it's not worth to risk, and 1.08 may be attractive for some but for other rich gamblers, it may be too low for the return of their money. As a gambler, rich or not, all we want is to win and be satisfied, without achieving that, we will not enjoy gambling, so it's wise if we will just sit this one than forcing ourselves to bet when they are not confident enough
Well there are still people who will want to place a bet on that amount and also there will be who want to risk placing a bet on that odds. Gamblers are gambler, they place bet and willing to take a risk if they saw a potential one no matter how much they will take a risk. I think there will be a gambler who will choose that 1.08 odds and it seems it is interesting to see that fight even though we know that Caleb is on the underdog there will still be a solid supporter for him that willing to accept that kind of offer. 









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October 09, 2021, 09:37:23 PM
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Rich people who gamblers are smart as well, they will not put a bet when they think it's not worth to risk, and 1.08 may be attractive for some but for other rich gamblers, it may be too low for the return of their money. As a gambler, rich or not, all we want is to win and be satisfied, without achieving that, we will not enjoy gambling, so it's wise if we will just sit this one than forcing ourselves to bet when they are not confident enough
Gambling is all about taking chances, if you find value in an underdog there is nothing wrong in placing a bet on that. Majority will not wage money line for Canelo Alvarez but there are other odds available as well where you can place a bet on the rounds then there is Asian Total,winning method and there are plenty of other combinations you can select to wage a bet.
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October 09, 2021, 09:39:42 PM
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Rich people who gamblers are smart as well, they will not put a bet when they think it's not worth to risk, and 1.08 may be attractive for some but for other rich gamblers, it may be too low for the return of their money. As a gambler, rich or not, all we want is to win and be satisfied, without achieving that, we will not enjoy gambling, so it's wise if we will just sit this one than forcing ourselves to bet when they are not confident enough
Well there are still people who will want to place a bet on that amount and also there will be who want to risk placing a bet on that odds. Gamblers are gambler, they place bet and willing to take a risk if they saw a potential one no matter how much they will take a risk. I think there will be a gambler who will choose that 1.08 odds and it seems it is interesting to see that fight even though we know that Caleb is on the underdog there will still be a solid supporter for him that willing to accept that kind of offer. 
That 1.08 odds is not for Caleb, it's the price you will get if you will bet on Canelo to win.

Though the full market is not yet available now, but most likely Caleb odds would be +400, of if you bet $100, you will get $500 in return or a profit of $400. For gamblers who trust the underdog, they would find it attractive, but for those who believe that Caleb has no chance, they might take that -1250 odds.

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October 09, 2021, 09:43:41 PM
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Rich people who gamblers are smart as well, they will not put a bet when they think it's not worth to risk, and 1.08 may be attractive for some but for other rich gamblers, it may be too low for the return of their money. As a gambler, rich or not, all we want is to win and be satisfied, without achieving that, we will not enjoy gambling, so it's wise if we will just sit this one than forcing ourselves to bet when they are not confident enough
Well there are still people who will want to place a bet on that amount and also there will be who want to risk placing a bet on that odds. Gamblers are gambler, they place bet and willing to take a risk if they saw a potential one no matter how much they will take a risk. I think there will be a gambler who will choose that 1.08 odds and it seems it is interesting to see that fight even though we know that Caleb is on the underdog there will still be a solid supporter for him that willing to accept that kind of offer. 
That's true, a gambler is a gambler...
And aside from that, they just making fun of it no matter what will be the result either they lose or not. We know that Alvarez has the huge potentials to win this fight but we can't make change the minds of the people who support Caleb. Of course, you have to support your fellow countrymen just to boost the fighter. In this world title fight, it was not just because of money why gamblers are taking risks but it was the pride of the country itself.
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October 10, 2021, 12:24:11 AM
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Going back to the scuffle though, I read that Caleb calls Canelo, mother***er. But Canelo took the word literally, per Caleb and he thinks that he is attacking his mother that's why Canelo reacted in such fashion. I know Canelo has been improving his English in the last couple of years and for sure he knows what mother***er mean. Maybe it was just lost in translation, but Caleb said that Canelo calls Demetrius Andrade the same, after the BJS fight.

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October 10, 2021, 11:24:42 AM
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Going back to the scuffle though, I read that Caleb calls Canelo, mother***er. But Canelo took the word literally, per Caleb and he thinks that he is attacking his mother that's why Canelo reacted in such fashion. I know Canelo has been improving his English in the last couple of years and for sure he knows what mother***er mean. Maybe it was just lost in translation, but Caleb said that Canelo calls Demetrius Andrade the same, after the BJS fight.
Caleb should have known in the first place how Canelo would reach, though he did not take it literally but it's still a big disrespect to him.

Canelo Alvarez is not an American, you can't blame him if he doesn't fully understand the meaning of the words, and they have different cultures, so there's really a conflict calling him a mother ^^^^ker. Anyway,  it happened already, maybe they should just focus on their upcoming fight, and stop those banter of trash talks.

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October 10, 2021, 06:29:37 PM
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Rich people who gamblers are smart as well, they will not put a bet when they think it's not worth to risk, and 1.08 may be attractive for some but for other rich gamblers, it may be too low for the return of their money. As a gambler, rich or not, all we want is to win and be satisfied, without achieving that, we will not enjoy gambling, so it's wise if we will just sit this one than forcing ourselves to bet when they are not confident enough
Gambling is all about taking chances, if you find value in an underdog there is nothing wrong in placing a bet on that. Majority will not wage money line for Canelo Alvarez but there are other odds available as well where you can place a bet on the rounds then there is Asian Total,winning method and there are plenty of other combinations you can select to wage a bet.
Yes, you can also parlay this fight with other kinds of sports. There are many alternatives if you don't like the odd for ML,
it's gamblers decision as there are always fans that will accept this low odd but will put a decent amount of bets.

They are comfortable that Alvarez will take this one and small odd is more than enough if they place a good amount of bets, right?

If you think it's not valuable, then find other fight or just enjoy watching the fight without risking your money. Grin

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October 10, 2021, 07:41:39 PM
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Going back to the scuffle though, I read that Caleb calls Canelo, mother***er. But Canelo took the word literally, per Caleb and he thinks that he is attacking his mother that's why Canelo reacted in such fashion. I know Canelo has been improving his English in the last couple of years and for sure he knows what mother***er mean. Maybe it was just lost in translation, but Caleb said that Canelo calls Demetrius Andrade the same, after the BJS fight.
Caleb should have known in the first place how Canelo would reach, though he did not take it literally but it's still a big disrespect to him.

Canelo Alvarez is not an American, you can't blame him if he doesn't fully understand the meaning of the words, and they have different cultures, so there's really a conflict calling him a mother ^^^^ker. Anyway,  it happened already, maybe they should just focus on their upcoming fight, and stop those banter of trash talks.

I'm not really sure though if trash talking will stop since Caleb has started and then Canelo responded putting a gash in his face. Yeah, could be the different culture, not defending Caleb, but I agree that Canelo's English thus improved and he should know by now what a mother ^^^^ker means for Americans. And since Fury vs Wilder III is done, this is the next most anticipated fight of the year for us boxing fans.

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October 10, 2021, 08:36:07 PM
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Going back to the scuffle though, I read that Caleb calls Canelo, mother***er. But Canelo took the word literally, per Caleb and he thinks that he is attacking his mother that's why Canelo reacted in such fashion. I know Canelo has been improving his English in the last couple of years and for sure he knows what mother***er mean. Maybe it was just lost in translation, but Caleb said that Canelo calls Demetrius Andrade the same, after the BJS fight.
Caleb should have known in the first place how Canelo would reach, though he did not take it literally but it's still a big disrespect to him.

Canelo Alvarez is not an American, you can't blame him if he doesn't fully understand the meaning of the words, and they have different cultures, so there's really a conflict calling him a mother ^^^^ker. Anyway,  it happened already, maybe they should just focus on their upcoming fight, and stop those banter of trash talks.

I'm not really sure though if trash talking will stop since Caleb has started and then Canelo responded putting a gash in his face. Yeah, could be the different culture, not defending Caleb, but I agree that Canelo's English thus improved and he should know by now what a mother ^^^^ker means for Americans. And since Fury vs Wilder III is done, this is the next most anticipated fight of the year for us boxing fans.

No doubt that this is one of the most anticipated fights, the trash-talking really help to hype up the fight, even more, we know that Canelo could sell a fight but this is different, they probably have sold better numbers due to the controversy they made during the press conference. No more excitement in the Heavyweight division now as Fury won't probably fight this year, he will enjoy his success on the Trilogy fight.

Going back, I like to see how the bookies will show the odds of this fight which until now I still could not find it available.

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I'm not really sure though if trash talking will stop since Caleb has started and then Canelo responded putting a gash in his face. Yeah, could be the different culture, not defending Caleb, but I agree that Canelo's English thus improved and he should know by now what a mother ^^^^ker means for Americans. And since Fury vs Wilder III is done, this is the next most anticipated fight of the year for us boxing fans.
When you learn a language the first you will learn is the cuss words and you do not need to learn the language thoroughly to understand the cuss words and Canelo Alvarez is fighting in US soil for a long time even though he lives in Mexico and it is not hard to understand the meaning of these words  Grin.

Since Caleb Plant has taken this fight on a person note i am curious to see how Canelo Alvarez is going to fight and whether he will punish him badly before knocking him out cold.
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I'm not really sure though if trash talking will stop since Caleb has started and then Canelo responded putting a gash in his face. Yeah, could be the different culture, not defending Caleb, but I agree that Canelo's English thus improved and he should know by now what a mother ^^^^ker means for Americans. And since Fury vs Wilder III is done, this is the next most anticipated fight of the year for us boxing fans.
When you learn a language the first you will learn is the cuss words and you do not need to learn the language thoroughly to understand the cuss words and Canelo Alvarez is fighting in US soil for a long time even though he lives in Mexico and it is not hard to understand the meaning of these words  Grin.

Since Caleb Plant has taken this fight on a person note i am curious to see how Canelo Alvarez is going to fight and whether he will punish him badly before knocking him out cold.

That is the expectation now, he makes Canelo mad, only two things could happen, it's either Canelo will get distracted and will not be able to focus on the game plan, or Caleb won't be able to take Canelo's attack and it will result to a KO that he has never experienced before.

You don't mess with Canelo, he is currently the pound for pound king and he dominated in the division where he is at now.

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I'm not really sure though if trash talking will stop since Caleb has started and then Canelo responded putting a gash in his face. Yeah, could be the different culture, not defending Caleb, but I agree that Canelo's English thus improved and he should know by now what a mother ^^^^ker means for Americans. And since Fury vs Wilder III is done, this is the next most anticipated fight of the year for us boxing fans.
When you learn a language the first you will learn is the cuss words and you do not need to learn the language thoroughly to understand the cuss words and Canelo Alvarez is fighting in US soil for a long time even though he lives in Mexico and it is not hard to understand the meaning of these words  Grin.

Since Caleb Plant has taken this fight on a person note i am curious to see how Canelo Alvarez is going to fight and whether he will punish him badly before knocking him out cold.

That is the expectation now, he makes Canelo mad, only two things could happen, it's either Canelo will get distracted and will not be able to focus on the game plan, or Caleb won't be able to take Canelo's attack and it will result to a KO that he has never experienced before.

You don't mess with Canelo, he is currently the pound for pound king and he dominated in the division where he is at now.

But don't underestimate Caleb, as he very well know that he is the underdog here.
And he is trash talking, so he should show what he's got under his sleeves.
Otherwise, if he will not put a good fight, people will not believe on him anymore.
Upsets can happen, but this one seems not to be included in this category. Let us see...
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October 11, 2021, 01:37:46 AM
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Going back to the scuffle though, I read that Caleb calls Canelo, mother***er. But Canelo took the word literally, per Caleb and he thinks that he is attacking his mother that's why Canelo reacted in such fashion. I know Canelo has been improving his English in the last couple of years and for sure he knows what mother***er mean. Maybe it was just lost in translation, but Caleb said that Canelo calls Demetrius Andrade the same, after the BJS fight.
Caleb should have known in the first place how Canelo would reach, though he did not take it literally but it's still a big disrespect to him.

Right, but Caleb's point is that Canelo is also saying that words to Andrade. So he can dish it out, but can't take it.

Canelo Alvarez is not an American, you can't blame him if he doesn't fully understand the meaning of the words, and they have different cultures, so there's really a conflict calling him a mother ^^^^ker. Anyway,  it happened already, maybe they should just focus on their upcoming fight, and stop those banter of trash talks.

Not blaming him, maybe he over reacted or really didn't understand the context when an American is telling it to his face. As I have said, Canelo has learn and improved his English so I doubt that he doesn't understand the meaning of the MF word, just saying. But since Caleb has ignited Canelo, yeah all we can do and wait for them to fight.

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I'm not really sure though if trash talking will stop since Caleb has started and then Canelo responded putting a gash in his face. Yeah, could be the different culture, not defending Caleb, but I agree that Canelo's English thus improved and he should know by now what a mother ^^^^ker means for Americans. And since Fury vs Wilder III is done, this is the next most anticipated fight of the year for us boxing fans.
When you learn a language the first you will learn is the cuss words and you do not need to learn the language thoroughly to understand the cuss words and Canelo Alvarez is fighting in US soil for a long time even though he lives in Mexico and it is not hard to understand the meaning of these words  Grin.

Since Caleb Plant has taken this fight on a person note i am curious to see how Canelo Alvarez is going to fight and whether he will punish him badly before knocking him out cold.

That is the expectation now, he makes Canelo mad, only two things could happen, it's either Canelo will get distracted and will not be able to focus on the game plan, or Caleb won't be able to take Canelo's attack and it will result to a KO that he has never experienced before.

You don't mess with Canelo, he is currently the pound for pound king and he dominated in the division where he is at now.

But don't underestimate Caleb, as he very well know that he is the underdog here.
And he is trash talking, so he should show what he's got under his sleeves.
Otherwise, if he will not put a good fight, people will not believe on him anymore.
Upsets can happen, but this one seems not to be included in this category. Let us see...

Yeah, we wouldn't want a good upset? Specially against Canelo who seems to be unbeatable and just smashing his opponents. And Caleb is also a champion in his own right, so we can't discounted that maybe there is a slim chance that an upset can happen. And we haven't seen Canelo really put in his back and trying to come back in the fight, maybe in the GGG as it was very close. But after the GGG fight, he just knock out or stop previous champions and champions. And now only Caleb stands in his way to unify all the belts at 168 lbs in short amount of time.

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Yeah, we wouldn't want a good upset? Specially against Canelo who seems to be unbeatable and just smashing his opponents. And Caleb is also a champion in his own right, so we can't discounted that maybe there is a slim chance that an upset can happen. And we haven't seen Canelo really put in his back and trying to come back in the fight, maybe in the GGG as it was very close. But after the GGG fight, he just knock out or stop previous champions and champions. And now only Caleb stands in his way to unify all the belts at 168 lbs in short amount of time.

Well.. Caleb is the champion.. and he has been unbeaten so far. But has he faced anyone who can even remotely be compared to Canelo in the past? Caleb Truax is the only name that I could recognize (that one ended in UD, and Plant couldn't knockout his opponent). I am always a big supporter of the underdogs. And in boxing, I have made some money betting in favor of such athletes. But this time, I don't see any logic in making a bet for Caleb. I am not saying that he has 0% chance of a win, but the probability is very near to zero.

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Going back to the scuffle though, I read that Caleb calls Canelo, mother***er. But Canelo took the word
Canelo Alvarez is not an American, you can't blame him if he doesn't fully understand the meaning of the words, and they have different cultures, so there's really a conflict calling him a mother ^^^^ker. Anyway,  it happened already, maybe they should just focus on their upcoming fight, and stop those banter of trash talks.

Not blaming him, maybe he over reacted or really didn't understand the context when an American is telling it to his face. As I have said, Canelo has learn and improved his English so I doubt that he doesn't understand the meaning of the MF word, just saying. But since Caleb has ignited Canelo, yeah all we can do and wait for them to fight.
Regardless of his reason on why he reacted that way it happened already and they're both agressive to face each other and see who is ahead of this fight.  But its true that because of the face off incident we might gain idea already on how that fight gonna be and now both of them are motivated to win.

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