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October 19, 2021, 01:54:54 AM
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Gennady Golovkin is so far the closest and competitive opponent of Canelo in his career. I also like to see the trilogy between them and hopefully, it can be arranged. They need a part 3. But before that Canelo needs to settle first with Caleb Plant to become an undisputed boxer this year.

Won't be an easy fight for Canelo but I'm sure he can handle Caleb Plant. The latter has attractive odds to win but too risky to gamble with it.

With an unbiased jury, Golovkin would have won the matches of 2017 and 2018. There should have been a rematch in 2019, but Alvarez chickened out and refused to face GGG. Now there is no point in getting a trilogy fight in 2022. The fact remains clear - Canelo was afraid of a defeat in 2019 and therefore refused to face Golovkin for the third time. No matter how much glory he achieves at the boxing ring (there is no doubt that Canelo is an all time great), this one thing will remain as a black mark and haunt him forever.

I agree with this although Canelo could claim that there is no more point for a rematch because he has already won. But to someone who is neutral, the fight could have also be given to Golovkin. That's the reason why the judges only came up with a majority decision. The fight was not a convincing win for Canelo. If he was man enough to settle the score especially because their first match was also a split draw, he should have arranged for a rematch. The GGG-Canelo battle was never really settled.  And it's because of Canelo avoiding it.

It will be a trilogy match like Wilder and Fury and it would be so entertaining and only GGG could match Canelo's skills and if GGG will retire soon, at least he has given the request of the fans to see him fight again Canelo, and I'm sure in terms of the purse in this fight, it will not be a problem as the promoter would love to promote a fight that is guaranteed to sell to the fans.

I doubt a trilogy would happen if one of the parties always avoids the potential fight. It will be very entertaining of course. GGG and Canelo are two of the best fighters who could give each other the best of fights. It's just unfortunate that Canelo seems not interested with a rematch when their business is not yet actually over. He may have won according to two judges' score cards in their first rematch but the boxing fans are clamoring for a second rematch because it was never a clear win for him. A lot of boxing fans are ever thinking it was GGG's game.
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October 20, 2021, 12:29:07 AM
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@TravelMug. It is 2.00 for under 9.5 rounds. The odds are available and offered on Nitrogensports. I reckon they remain the best website for basic odds and offers.

In any case, Canelo is also training for under 9.5 rounds hehehe. This might become under 7.5 rounds when the fight nears. Caleb Plant will regret talking about his mother hehe.

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I'm gonna take that odds, this fight will not gonna go to the distance, Canelo is motivated to knockout Plant because of the disrespectful manners of Plant during the press conference. Actually, I have never seen Canelo this angry during the press conference in his previous fights, and guess what, he still dominate his opponent so most likely this is an exemption, he would dominate and KO his opponent early, 1-3 rounds is my prediction.

I´m a little more daring, I think that Canelo will knock out in the first 2 rounds, I think he will not reach the 3rd, the reason is the same why you think, that his lack of manners makes Canelo angry, and there is something that you cannot mix when you have a skill such as boxing, anger, if you fight with anger many times you do not measure the consequence of the damage that the blows will do, it is for that reason that many times some boxers die inside the ring due to a blow or contusion to the head.


I'm wondering what's the odds for that, we will not be able to get good odds if we bet on Canelo to win the entire fight but if we place a bet on per round, I'm sure it will be attractive enough for bettors to put some experiment on betting although it's hard to predict on what round Caleb will go down.

I hope somebody will not be triggered if we talk about Caleb going down as it's just a prediction and we place our bet based on our prediction, doesn't mean we are correct, it still depends on the outcome of the fight.

You are right, what happens is that sometimes we base ourselves on the total prediction of the winner without taking into account the bets per round, it is much more attractive and the adrenaline moves much more if it were done by Round, the domain can be clear and overwhelming from what most think, according to the probabilities they are just that, probability and statistics, they are numbers that do not indicate the reality of things, there are many activities to take into account, one of the things that very few take into account at the time to bet is the emotion that each boxer carries, what they think, how they react in front of all the spectators, the pressure they carry, many times a high morale makes them win the fight even if the statistics are against it, it is a very good point to consider.

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October 20, 2021, 09:53:08 AM
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I just love this conversation between Mike Tyson and Claressa Shields on the coming Canelo - Plant fight, Claressa is very honest and straightforward on why Plant can't beat Canelo, Plant doesn't have the power and the snap on his punches, ok he can move like Mayweather but Canelo will have the answer to all the kind of attacks and style that he can bring to Canelo.

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October 20, 2021, 11:25:20 AM
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I just love this conversation between Mike Tyson and Claressa Shields on the coming Canelo - Plant fight, Claressa is very honest and straightforward on why Plant can't beat Canelo, Plant doesn't have the power and the snap on his punches, ok he can move like Mayweather but Canelo will have the answer to all the kind of attacks and style that he can bring to Canelo.

It doesn't really take an experts to really saw how the fight will turn out to be. And I agree, Plant maybe one of the weakest punchers that Canelo will face. So maybe he will just eat up Caleb's power and then dish out his own. I doubt that he can move like Mayweather, Caleb is flat footed and will go square off against his opponent and that's what makes him a good target for Canelo to launch his deadly left hook or body punch or upper-cut.
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October 20, 2021, 11:31:11 AM
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I just love this conversation between Mike Tyson and Claressa Shields on the coming Canelo - Plant fight, Claressa is very honest and straightforward on why Plant can't beat Canelo, Plant doesn't have the power and the snap on his punches, ok he can move like Mayweather but Canelo will have the answer to all the kind of attacks and style that he can bring to Canelo.

It doesn't really take an experts to really saw how the fight will turn out to be. And I agree, Plant maybe one of the weakest punchers that Canelo will face. So maybe he will just eat up Caleb's power and then dish out his own. I doubt that he can move like Mayweather, Caleb is flat footed and will go square off against his opponent and that's what makes him a good target for Canelo to launch his deadly left hook or body punch or upper-cut.

That's correct, if only Plant moves like Mayweather then he has a chance to beat Canelo. In terms of power, we can easily tell that Canelo had a huge advantage and he also had good boxing skills than Plant although Plant is undefeated as of now. Better if he learn how to play good defense as Canelo would not stop throwing hard punches on him.

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October 20, 2021, 05:22:40 PM
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I just love this conversation between Mike Tyson and Claressa Shields on the coming Canelo - Plant fight, Claressa is very honest and straightforward on why Plant can't beat Canelo, Plant doesn't have the power and the snap on his punches, ok he can move like Mayweather but Canelo will have the answer to all the kind of attacks and style that he can bring to Canelo.

It doesn't really take an experts to really saw how the fight will turn out to be. And I agree, Plant maybe one of the weakest punchers that Canelo will face. So maybe he will just eat up Caleb's power and then dish out his own. I doubt that he can move like Mayweather, Caleb is flat footed and will go square off against his opponent and that's what makes him a good target for Canelo to launch his deadly left hook or body punch or upper-cut.

That's correct, if only Plant moves like Mayweather then he has a chance to beat Canelo. In terms of power, we can easily tell that Canelo had a huge advantage and he also had good boxing skills than Plant although Plant is undefeated as of now. Better if he learn how to play good defense as Canelo would not stop throwing hard punches on him.

Good defense with a good counter offense: if Plant will manage to deliver this strategy, the chance will increase for him to win. We all witness how good Canelo in terms of throwing converted punches, solid one that can knock his opponent down,

Plant need to work on it and make sure that he will find a way to avoid those punches to land in his face or any targets that will risk his chance.

If he can play well and do things the way Mayweather does, he might win from defending himself and try to convert his own punches.

Alvarez, though, may also surprise him with new sets of strategy that will take him down.

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October 21, 2021, 04:55:55 AM
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It appears this Mexican Irishman has a plan hehehe. Caleb Plant might create some good rounds for himself, I reckon in the beginning. However, many boxing experts and commentators predict that Canelo will find his range, begin applying his tactics, shoulder rolls and cominations with power punches. Under 9.5 rounds according to Canelo’s own prediction.

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October 21, 2021, 06:51:18 AM
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It appears this Mexican Irishman has a plan hehehe. Caleb Plant might create some good rounds for himself, I reckon in the beginning. However, many boxing experts and commentators predict that Canelo will find his range, begin applying his tactics, shoulder rolls and cominations with power punches. Under 9.5 rounds according to Canelo’s own prediction.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SuJuZWobkuI

Is that under 9.5 rounds already have a betting odds?

I guess I'm willing to risk on that as long as the odds are good, knowing Canelo, although he is a slow starter, but once he sees an opportunity to KO an opponent, he would always take the opportunity and if Plant is only all talk, then for sure we can't expect this fight to end in 12 rounds.
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October 22, 2021, 08:31:24 PM
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Will Pacquiao's son be able to follow his footstep in boxing? I think he is serious because he is now training with Canelo who is the top pound for pound king, Manny's son does not have to break the achievement of his father but winning a championship would already bring honor to his country.

I'm not underestimating the kid, but I guess he's not going to get closer to his father's achievements.
Manny has dedicated his blood and sweat for his passion who started at a very young age. Trained his body with all sorts of hard work. I guess there's a huge difference between dedication and passion over hobbies or a temporary interest.
I've seen him fight once, and he's not actually a bad fighter but what he needs to find is the purpose why he box.

On the other hand, Canelo could teach him a lot of lessons that Manny didn't taught him.

No offense or whatsoever, but I agree that the kid's future in this sport might not be the same as how his father established and achieved his career. All this dedication that puts Pacquiao to be the one of those few boxing legendary who bring pride not only to his country but a hero in every boxing enthusiast.

Though he might gain lots of skills from Canelo that he can use, just wondering does his mommy Jinky will allow to risk his life? Roll Eyes
they already have everything in terms of financial aspects, so why risk his health?
While financial motivation is many times one if not the only motivation many people do something we must understand that even if has everything he could ask in his life some people look for a way to make their own path, so while we only look at this as a risk being taken by someone that does not need it, he probably sees this as a challenge he wants to overcome, and when someone has that kind of motivation then there is no way to stop them.
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Will Pacquiao's son be able to follow his footstep in boxing? I think he is serious because he is now training with Canelo who is the top pound for pound king, Manny's son does not have to break the achievement of his father but winning a championship would already bring honor to his country.

I'm not underestimating the kid, but I guess he's not going to get closer to his father's achievements.
Manny has dedicated his blood and sweat for his passion who started at a very young age. Trained his body with all sorts of hard work. I guess there's a huge difference between dedication and passion over hobbies or a temporary interest.
I've seen him fight once, and he's not actually a bad fighter but what he needs to find is the purpose why he box.

On the other hand, Canelo could teach him a lot of lessons that Manny didn't taught him.

No offense or whatsoever, but I agree that the kid's future in this sport might not be the same as how his father established and achieved his career. All this dedication that puts Pacquiao to be the one of those few boxing legendary who bring pride not only to his country but a hero in every boxing enthusiast.

Though he might gain lots of skills from Canelo that he can use, just wondering does his mommy Jinky will allow to risk his life? Roll Eyes
they already have everything in terms of financial aspects, so why risk his health?
While financial motivation is many times one if not the only motivation many people do something we must understand that even if has everything he could ask in his life some people look for a way to make their own path, so while we only look at this as a risk being taken by someone that does not need it, he probably sees this as a challenge he wants to overcome, and when someone has that kind of motivation then there is no way to stop them.

If they don't allow him to risk his life in boxing, then they should not let him train. What's the purpose of doing it, he has to fly to the US to train with Canelo Alvarez and then they are just doing it for nothing? That doesn't make sense to me, actually, it's not just all about money, it's the passion an the low in sports as there are boxers that had a great financial life already but still took the risk of proving themselves to achieve their passion.

One example is Muhammad Ali's daughter Laila Amaria Ali, her father is a legend, the greatest boxer in the world and yet she still enter boxing to make a name for herself.

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October 23, 2021, 07:16:16 AM
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It appears this Mexican Irishman has a plan hehehe. Caleb Plant might create some good rounds for himself, I reckon in the beginning. However, many boxing experts and commentators predict that Canelo will find his range, begin applying his tactics, shoulder rolls and cominations with power punches. Under 9.5 rounds according to Canelo’s own prediction.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SuJuZWobkuI

Is that under 9.5 rounds already have a betting odds?

I guess I'm willing to risk on that as long as the odds are good, knowing Canelo, although he is a slow starter, but once he sees an opportunity to KO an opponent, he would always take the opportunity and if Plant is only all talk, then for sure we can't expect this fight to end in 12 rounds.

Yes, it is presently available in Nitrogensports and Cloudbet. However, I think the odds are not very good but not very bad also. It is only fair odds hehehe. I am also not a professional sportsbettor. If I see bet offers I want that are more than 2.00 odds, they are good for me hehehehe.

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October 23, 2021, 07:43:21 AM
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It appears this Mexican Irishman has a plan hehehe. Caleb Plant might create some good rounds for himself, I reckon in the beginning. However, many boxing experts and commentators predict that Canelo will find his range, begin applying his tactics, shoulder rolls and cominations with power punches. Under 9.5 rounds according to Canelo’s own prediction.

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Is that under 9.5 rounds already have a betting odds?

I guess I'm willing to risk on that as long as the odds are good, knowing Canelo, although he is a slow starter, but once he sees an opportunity to KO an opponent, he would always take the opportunity and if Plant is only all talk, then for sure we can't expect this fight to end in 12 rounds.

Yes, it is presently available in Nitrogensports and Cloudbet. However, I think the odds are not very good but not very bad also. It is only fair odds hehehe. I am also not a professional sportsbettor. If I see bet offers I want that are more than 2.00 odds, they are good for me hehehehe.

Yes 2.00 odds are good already, I've seen bettors very happy to see their favorite team/players of odds from 1.50-1.68 as well. As far as my experience goes, I've bet on 1.68 odds in the past, ML and it was a "sure" win, (although there will people who will argue that there's no such thing as sure win). And if this fight, 2.00 or double your money and if might be a "sure" win as well for Canelo.

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If they don't allow him to risk his life in boxing, then they should not let him train. What's the purpose of doing it, he has to fly to the US to train with Canelo Alvarez and then they are just doing it for nothing? That doesn't make sense to me, actually, it's not just all about money, it's the passion an the low in sports as there are boxers that had a great financial life already but still took the risk of proving themselves to achieve their passion.

One example is Muhammad Ali's daughter Laila Amaria Ali, her father is a legend, the greatest boxer in the world and yet she still enter boxing to make a name for herself.

Manny Pacquiao and his wife are already supporting their son's dream following the footsteps of his father, of course this kid shouldn't be in training if his parent didn't allow him. If this kid will inherit his father strength and speed in boxing or not we would not know his potential until we see him fighting inside the ring, the kid shows a passion on the career that his father had been through and yeah sounds that he is not doing it for money but it is his passion. Will let's wait till we see this kid inside the ring in the future, I think he being trained with Canelo is just a beginning and there's a lot of opportunity lies ahead if he became what he wanted to be.
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October 23, 2021, 01:17:41 PM
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I think he being trained with Canelo is just a beginning and there's a lot of opportunity lies ahead if he became what he wanted to be.

He doesn't have to work hard to be a popular boxer, as long as he keeps winning, people will easily recognize him as he is the son of a legend, of course, the pressure is high but he has to manage that and think of creating his name and not too much attach to his father's legacy so he will be enjoy boxing.

There's no way Manny's some will achieve the same success of his after, but he has the tools to be a good boxer, and with Canelo on his side, I think he will learn a lot.

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October 23, 2021, 05:32:01 PM
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I think he being trained with Canelo is just a beginning and there's a lot of opportunity lies ahead if he became what he wanted to be.

He doesn't have to work hard to be a popular boxer, as long as he keeps winning, people will easily recognize him as he is the son of a legend, of course, the pressure is high but he has to manage that and think of creating his name and not too much attach to his father's legacy so he will be enjoy boxing.

There's no way Manny's some will achieve the same success of his after, but he has the tools to be a good boxer, and with Canelo on his side, I think he will learn a lot.

His name is a two-way sword, success is not hard if he keeps on winning his fight, he is the son of the living legend a well respect fighter and even his father retired after that Ugas loss, in this sport His last name will forever be remembered, I'm saying a two-way sword since criticism with his chosen career is expected, being a son of a legend always have a burden to your own personalities, you will always be compared from the success of your father.  Cool

Though I agree, he doesn't need to force that much, he already has everything in terms of financial needs, he can easily quit and live a life with any chosen a style that he desire.  Roll Eyes

His name was brought out since he was taking his training under Alvarez, who will defend his belt and try to catch another one.

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I doubt a trilogy would happen if one of the parties always avoids the potential fight. It will be very entertaining of course. GGG and Canelo are two of the best fighters who could give each other the best of fights. It's just unfortunate that Canelo seems not interested with a rematch when their business is not yet actually over. He may have won according to two judges' score cards in their first rematch but the boxing fans are clamoring for a second rematch because it was never a clear win for him. A lot of boxing fans are ever thinking it was GGG's game.

GGG is open for a trilogy but Canelo is not interested anymore saying he already won the series and no need for another fight. But if he will look into the massive requests from the community, I hope it will change his mind and fight for one last time against GGG.

But before anything else and proceeding on that discussion, he should settle properly first with Caleb Plant. Although he is seen as the Favorite to win the match, we should not consider that as an easy win for Canelo.

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October 28, 2021, 02:19:22 PM
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I doubt a trilogy would happen if one of the parties always avoids the potential fight. It will be very entertaining of course. GGG and Canelo are two of the best fighters who could give each other the best of fights. It's just unfortunate that Canelo seems not interested with a rematch when their business is not yet actually over. He may have won according to two judges' score cards in their first rematch but the boxing fans are clamoring for a second rematch because it was never a clear win for him. A lot of boxing fans are ever thinking it was GGG's game.

GGG is open for a trilogy but Canelo is not interested anymore saying he already won the series and no need for another fight. But if he will look into the massive requests from the community, I hope it will change his mind and fight for one last time against GGG.

But before anything else and proceeding on that discussion, he should settle properly first with Caleb Plant. Although he is seen as the Favorite to win the match, we should not consider that as an easy win for Canelo.

It is a pity that he does not want to agree to a rematch, I repeat as I had said before, it reminds me of when Mywheather's fight with the Philippine Legend was, this is something that at the same time causes some anger with the fans that we want to see more, I do not know , but at the moment if Canelo loses with Caleb I think that the decision of the rematch with GGG can be reconsidered, this taking into account that the reputation of a boxer is everything, you just have to show who is the strongest, and although Against all odds in the fight of Canelo and Caleb, Canelo has the advantage in bets, if the opposite scenario occurs, it could be a really more exciting panorama, things can change in meetings and even rematches.

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October 28, 2021, 06:05:22 PM
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This fight is getting closer now, I still have Canelo Alvarez winning this one, but not sure what rounds Caleb are going to fall.

And it seems that Canelo is really wanted to score a big win here against Caleb and we all know how motivated Canelo is in this fight. He even goes to the public and says that Caleb should be prepare his chin because he is going to look for it from the first round.

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October 28, 2021, 08:06:40 PM
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I just love this conversation between Mike Tyson and Claressa Shields on the coming Canelo - Plant fight, Claressa is very honest and straightforward on why Plant can't beat Canelo, Plant doesn't have the power and the snap on his punches, ok he can move like Mayweather but Canelo will have the answer to all the kind of attacks and style that he can bring to Canelo.
Truth is what needs to be spoken these days!!! Canelo is clearly the better fighter. Yes, Plant has got experience, got talent and spirit but his level in my opinion doesn't match to that of Canelo's.

It sure will be an interesting fight, and I'm actually surprised at the honesty of Claressa. Let's wait and se - the match will sure be entertaining
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October 28, 2021, 08:29:32 PM
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I just love this conversation between Mike Tyson and Claressa Shields on the coming Canelo - Plant fight, Claressa is very honest and straightforward on why Plant can't beat Canelo, Plant doesn't have the power and the snap on his punches, ok he can move like Mayweather but Canelo will have the answer to all the kind of attacks and style that he can bring to Canelo.
Truth is what needs to be spoken these days!!! Canelo is clearly the better fighter. Yes, Plant has got experience, got talent and spirit but his level in my opinion doesn't match to that of Canelo's.

It sure will be an interesting fight, and I'm actually surprised at the honesty of Claressa. Let's wait and se - the match will sure be entertaining

Hopefully that hypes they've made from their press-con will be converted when they already fighting inside the ring. Taking it personally, Alvarez will bring Plant down. Nore interesting if he will KO Plant,, so all that trash talks and rumors that Plant have a good chance to upset him will be removed.

Anything can happen. We as fans and viewers don't have the accurate way to figure out if where the fight may go. We are all pointing our opinions base from how we believe how good the fighter was.

Let see if these two fighters will bring us the entertainment that we deserve to have Wink

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