Plagiarsism QA topics. I don't think new topics about plagiarism are necessary

[tranthidung]

Tier 1

• [GUIDE] Plagiarism and how to avoid it.
• [TIPS] to avoid plagiarism
• Plagiarism as a result of cultural differences
• Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed
• Editing plagiarism, after detection

Tier 2

• Text spinning/disguised plagiarism
• Do you think some plagiarism can happen "by mistake"?
• Plagiarism: Where Do We Draw the Line?
• Plagiarism | what %age should be allowed?
• Plagiarism and Paraphrasing, different sins of equal magnitude?
• Why people plagiarise in the forum and how to avoid plagiarism.
• New sort of plagiarism

Tier 3

• Beginner's interpretation
• Plagiarism and being inspired by. . .
• How to detect plagiarism
• Plagiarism should remain a zero-tolerance bannable offense
• Plagiarism of a signature design I made
• Why people plagiarize
• Plagiarism in newbies
• Something worse than plagiarism.
• Effect Of Plagiarism In Forum.
• Unintentional plagiarism
• Plagiarism check for all
• Protect Your Account From Plagiarism Ban
• Disadvantages of non detectable early Plagiarism
• Recurring issues of plagiarism

Some findings

• There are abundant topics about plagiarism and if members use Search feature, they will find answers.
• Many topics about plagiarism are from newbies or new members. They try to write newbie guides about plagiarism.
• It is unnecessary to ask questions or to create new guides about Plagiarism.

Topics for Searching

• [Guide] Searching effectively
• A Complete Guideline to use forum search button properly
• [Tips] Guide for forum search
• [How-to] the Search button
• [Guide] How to detect rule-breakers.Techniques and tips.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Forget it. This is the most popular topic for newbies, and huge tutorials and guides are created on it.
These guides are generated monthly, if not more often. And the worst thing is that newbies are afraid of being banned on the forum because of copypasta. I am under the impression that Rule 25 is the most popular of all that is on this forum.
Guides abound, but anyone who creates guides like these believes they are bringing with them something unique and easy to understand, a guide that will save the world forum .

I emphasised on plagiarism to the extent that some users began to question if it's only plagiarism I could bring to the table.

You act as if you are an expert and so experienced that you teach everyone with your insignificant posts.

I do not act, I am not acting sir. I do not teach everyone what you called insignificant. I always mention that they are directed to newbies.
You are pretty old in this forum and such topics seems to piss you because you have seen them severally or you wish you can hide all the rules about plagiarism to the newbies so that you can fetch fresh victims daily.

Moreover, such teachers believe that the old members deliberately hide all the rules.

If you decide that when new topics about plagiarism appear, you could complain to the moderators as a duplicate of the topic, maybe this stream will stop.

[Daniel91]

The problem is that a lot of newbie members don’t actually read the forum rules and some probably don’t even understand enough English.
Some newbie members come to this forum with the clear goal of spamming and making as much money as possible and they don't care about the forum rules at all.
Plagiarism will not disappear from this forum because unfortunately due to the money offered on this forum some members will always try to find a shortcut to success.
Others simply will not understand the rules or will not care about it.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Forget it. This is the most popular topic for newbies, and huge tutorials and guides are created on it.
These guides are generated monthly, if not more often.

I think OP's point is not to create another guideline thread but to point out that we don't need any more threads dealing with plagiarism--and one could be forgiven for mistaking this thread as being a guide for newbies, since OP compiled a bunch of links to existing threads dealing with the issue. 

I agree, by the way.  The only thing needed is for newbies to read the rules of the forum before they make their first post, or at the very least to exercise some honesty when they post, which should go without saying.

The problem is that a lot of newbie members don’t actually read the forum rules and some probably don’t even understand enough English.

Hear, hear.  I'll be honest: when I registered on bitcointalk years ago, I didn't read the rules first (and I should have).  But I had no intention then of joining a signature campaign, and I certainly wouldn't have plagiarized anything. 

The whole language thing is a major reason why some members copy/paste stuff from the internet (or use text spinners or translation services).  If you're a member who's required by your campaign/bounty to post in the English section of the forum and can't write English to save your life, what options do you have?  You can create utter shitposts--which a lot of members do--or you can steal other people's material from wherever.  If you choose the former, you might get kicked out of whatever campaign you're in, and if you choose the latter you're in danger of getting a permaban.  Sadly, a lot of members take the path of plagiarism since it's the easiest route.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Forget it. This is the most popular topic for newbies, and huge tutorials and guides are created on it.
These guides are generated monthly, if not more often.

I think OP's point is not to create another guideline thread but to point out that we don't need any more threads dealing with plagiarism--and one could be forgiven for mistaking this thread as being a guide for newbies, since OP compiled a bunch of links to existing threads dealing with the issue.  

I agree, by the way.  The only thing needed is for newbies to read the rules of the forum before they make their first post, or at the very least to exercise some honesty when they post, which should go without saying.

This is what I had in mind. I understand that the OP has collected many topics on plagiarism, and I think that they are not the last. But what the OP suggests, I think, is not real. You can just watch how many topics after this topic will appear soon. For this reason, I tend to think that over time these topics will grow and grow with new users.
But the appeal of the OP about the sufficiency of topics on plagiarism, I support with two hands. .  

[tranthidung]

I'll be honest: when I registered on bitcointalk years ago, I didn't read the rules first (and I should have).  But I had no intention then of joining a signature campaign, and I certainly wouldn't have plagiarized anything.  

It can be difference of cultural and law regulation. If you live in a nation with no law/ regulation on plagiarism or copyright, you will (just probably) not feel that you are breaking anything when copy and paste, at the same time skip the original source.

Although I guess it is what people think when they plagiarize, it is never good based on moral principles (even no law on copyright locally). I am sure in such nations, nobody will catch you when you steal contents of others but if you are good man, you will self-discipline with yourself, and don't do this.

I understand that the OP has collected many topics on plagiarism, and I think that they are not the last. But what the OP suggests, I think, is not real. You can just watch how many topics after this topic will appear soon. For this reason, I tend to think that over time these topics will grow and grow with new users.

I did it for open-minded people, not for all. For people who are close-minded but think they are genius, let them be who they are.

• Newbies - Read before posting
• How many newbies read that topic and apply recommendations they read?
• I don't know and I believe very few of them read, fewer of them apply recommendations. Very few newbies do this at the end but it's enough and is target of the topic.

[LoyceV]

It can be difference of cultural and law regulation. If you live in a nation with no law/ regulation on plagiarism or copyright, you will (just probably) not feel that you are breaking anything when copy and paste, at the same time skip the original source.

In most countries, stealing is illegal too, but on Bitcointalk, scamming is allowed. The more I think about it, the less it makes sense to ban people for stealing text but not for stealing money.

[airfinex]

In most countries, stealing is illegal too, but on Bitcointalk, scamming is allowed. The more I think about it, the less it makes sense to ban people for stealing text but not for stealing money.

If people were smarter, they would have realized that the ban for plagiarism stands out in order to maintain the forum in a clean state, since it will be difficult for a scammers to deceive people if the forum turns into a trash heap.

[tranthidung]

In most countries, stealing is illegal too, but on Bitcointalk, scamming is allowed. The more I think about it, the less it makes sense to ban people for stealing text but not for stealing money.

Perhaps because proving plagiarism is easier than proving scam and admins feel more comfortable with plagiarism than with scam moderation.

Perhaps banning members because of plagiarism on the forum does not lead to legal issues.

• Community can detect and prove something but nothing on the forum is from court orders.
• Accusation on the forum can be accurate or inaccurate but mistakes can be made
• Like death evidence (paraipan case)

I am willing to cooperate with police on real scams. Whenever someone asks me to release a scammer's IP, I tell them to have police email me from an official police address. I have received police requests a handful of times. Mostly the cases were real scams and I gave the police the requested info. In some cases I've rejected their requests. For example, I refused to give information to some foreign version of the SEC because securities laws are unjust. Of course, you should not trust that I will act in your best interest. If you want to be anonymous, then you must use Tor (or whatever).

[KingsDen]

Op's stand that further topics on plagiarism are not needed as we have much already is correct.
But I want us to consider the following;

1. Has the increased number of plagiarism posts actually curtailed plagiarism?
2. If further posts on plagiarism is discouraged, will it curtail the rate of plagiarism?
3. How many newbies read the forum rules before posting?
4. Where I come from, in the high school, the National Anthem is recited every morning. A student that has 5years to stay in the school will hear this Anthem daily and never gets tired of it for 5yrs. Likewise, newcomers may have never heard the Anthem for once.
But one thing is sure, it continues to ring into the ears of all the students.
5. The biggest question is; are these topics about plagiarism contradicting the original idea? If yes, it should be discouraged.
6. Are these topics not quality or creating nuisance in the forum? If yes, it should be reported.
7. Are these topics as harmless as other topics and made in a good faith? If yes, it should be encouraged.
Thanks!

[Lafu]

The only thing needed is for newbies to read the rules of the forum before they make their first post, or at the very least to exercise some honesty when they post, which should go without saying.

I agree on that !
Just got an idea when i readed your post now ,
Maybe it would be just simple and easy when new Users register here on the Forum that they have to read the rules before they can post or do anything.
With that nobody of the new Users can say they dont have know this and that , dont know if that suggestion was or is written already somewhere.
But this would be solve the excuse that they dont was aware of the rules.

[finaleshot2016]

When I checked the Meta board, a lot of plagiarism topics are on page one.

Plagiarism should be a common thing to avoid; it's taught in early school that plagiarism should be avoided unless you're using some words for reference only. Consider that we are having a discussion here and that we should provide unique perspectives on what is going on here and there, so it is obvious that plagiarism is a mistake. As a result, topics about plagiarism are unnecessary, and newcomers should be aware of this by the time they enter a forum platform where opinions and statements matters.

[tranthidung]

When I checked the Meta board, a lot of plagiarism topics are on page one.

In Meta and Beginners & Help boards. Meta with complaints, appeals and suggestions. Beginners & Help with guides.

Maybe it would be just simple and easy when new Users register here on the Forum that they have to read the rules before they can post or do anything.

I know theymos wrote the welcome message but I don't know it was applied as a pop-up message for new members or not. Even it is currently applied, I am sure most of new members will skip the message as same as how they usually skip reading rules.

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Nobody discourages you so do I. It's regarding to what is new in a new topic. If the author of a new topic can not improve anything from available topics, a new topic is unnecessary.

DYOR, Newbies - Read before posting and Search before posting

[KingsDen]

Nobody discourages you so do I. It's regarding to what is new in a new topic. If the author of a new topic can not improve anything from available topics, a new topic is unnecessary.

I quite understand you sir. It is also necessary for we to collectively understand that the authors might not be aware of the existing topics before creating theirs. Also if we allege that there is not improvement from what was existing, can we be bold to accuse them of plagiarism? I guess no. It means everyone is unique from his perspective. The problem here I sense is not the authors but the replicating nature of the topics.
If I am to make a topic on how to save seed phrases, I am not sure to the extent I can improve on the existing topics. To you it will be totally unnecessary, but to a true newbie it will be appreciated.
Imo it doesn't matter how often these topics appear, in as much as they are of forum standards.

[ShowOff]

I found a specific applicable rule in the local board about "not allowed to create thread about the same thing for a certain period of time" but found no such rule in the sticky thread Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ in the meta.

If a rule like this could be applied everywhere, then anyone breaking it could run the risk of thread deletion. Unfortunately so far apart from only being able to warn the topic starter to lock the thread because it already has many thread with the same content, we can also report it to the moderators. Not many beginners are aware of reading the rules at first unless they are already familiar with other forums, so when any rules apply, then they will bear the risk if they violate it.

Besides threads about plagiarism, I can also find threads about merit becoming more popular among beginners.