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September 15, 2021, 08:56:00 PM
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And they say that people have freedom and there is democracy in this world, what a hilarious joke. Don't get wrong with me, I amn't anti-vaxxer, no, I prefer vaccination but I think Covid and Flu vaccines mustn't be compulsory. I am a healthy person, always eat with healthy food and always protect the balanced diet, do cardio exercises, run every morning, do workout, cut/minimize sugar, trans fats, etc. So, I have great immune system, I almost never get cold/flu and have never visited to the doctor for health issue cause I don't have. So, why do I have to get vaccinated? Especially when it's flu like virus and I have great immune system. I have had a contact with so many people, I probably would get Covid but have never ever been felt and even if something happens, I hugely believe it will go easy on me.

Covid vaccine mustn't be compulsory because it hasn't been tested. FDA approval means nothing, FDA has approved a lot of drugs and also has withdrew a lot of them too. At the same time, it's very clear that Pharma is a huge business. There was one documentary about the approval of Xanax, how bad side effects it had but still was FDA approved because it was very addictive and good money making medicine. No one tries to create anti anxiety drugs that wouldn't cause addiction while it's possible, why? Because that won't be profitable. See this article - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5973310/
I hate to say it but these covid vaccination and all these stuffs are purely business and is generating huge profits that is why everyone should have to take vaccine not just for your health safety alone but also for the government to generate an income. Yes, we are living in democracy but after this covid 19 vaccines have been implemented, then all of a sudden we lost our own freedom.

I am not anti vaccine because i have been vaccinated already but i understand the sentiments of those people who refuse to get vaccinated.  Although everyone is encouraged to take the vaccine to stop the virus but somehow, our rights should never be deprived also in this time of pandemic.

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And they say that people have freedom and there is democracy in this world, what a hilarious joke. Don't get wrong with me, I amn't anti-vaxxer, no, I prefer vaccination but I think Covid and Flu vaccines mustn't be compulsory. I am a healthy person, always eat with healthy food and always protect the balanced diet, do cardio exercises, run every morning, do workout, cut/minimize sugar, trans fats, etc. So, I have great immune system, I almost never get cold/flu and have never visited to the doctor for health issue cause I don't have. So, why do I have to get vaccinated? Especially when it's flu like virus and I have great immune system. I have had a contact with so many people, I probably would get Covid but have never ever been felt and even if something happens, I hugely believe it will go easy on me.

The vaccination is not only for your good or safety but for the safety of the masses. If you are a healthy person and always eat good foods, how about the man beside you? I rather advice that our concern should only be if there is a side effect of the vaccination, which I believe there is none. I wish we all learn to trust the government, if they are to fail in other things, I think no government will deceive the citizens she is securing their lives.

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September 15, 2021, 09:33:52 PM
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And they say that people have freedom and there is democracy in this world, what a hilarious joke. Don't get wrong with me, I amn't anti-vaxxer, no, I prefer vaccination but I think Covid and Flu vaccines mustn't be compulsory. I am a healthy person, always eat with healthy food and always protect the balanced diet, do cardio exercises, run every morning, do workout, cut/minimize sugar, trans fats, etc. So, I have great immune system, I almost never get cold/flu and have never visited to the doctor for health issue cause I don't have. So, why do I have to get vaccinated? Especially when it's flu like virus and I have great immune system. I have had a contact with so many people, I probably would get Covid but have never ever been felt and even if something happens, I hugely believe it will go easy on me.

The vaccination is not only for your good or safety but for the safety of the masses. If you are a healthy person and always eat good foods, how about the man beside you? I rather advice that our concern should only be if there is a side effect of the vaccination, which I believe there is none. I wish we all learn to trust the government, if they are to fail in other things, I think no government will deceive the citizens she is security their lives.
Not everyone would able to trust up the government in regarding with this one and ive seen several countries which does have problems towards these things where there are people who doesnt really consider out on taking a shot which they do believe that vaccine is rather a bad thing rather than on being good.

Most of people are minding about it side effects rather than its efficacy on fighting covid which i cant really blamed them on.Criteria is something a little bit in reality as of this moment

as government do really make it out as a requirement for you to access common establishments and buildings with services which its an awful kind of decision or sign of desparation.
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September 15, 2021, 10:01:00 PM
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The Delta variant is not to be joked with, you can see how fast it infects someone, well, based on my experience, I just recently caught COVID 2 weeks ago, the transmission was quite fast and because of it, my whole family had to be quarantined, really one of the hardest times for me. The vaccines released were used to be heavily doubted (well at least in my country), not only because of its side effects but because people used to think of COVID is the same as a normal flu or cold, but this Delta Variant stormed in and targeted more people around their families. I have no vaccine injected in me yet since I just recently tested POSITIVE for COVID, one of my biggest regrets is not taking it early as I can to at least prevent this from happening.

Vaccines are essential and needed, it may have temporary side effects but I swear, it's better than getting infected and having the potential to actually face death and I'm even considered to be healthy since I'm not obese nor malnourish, just a non-vaccinated guy, and what more if the virus continues to mutate? it's actually scary but for someone without a vaccine, it is definitely much more lethal, our economy will only continue to plummet if the government themselves are taking this opportunity to actually make profit from all of the medical equipment that the citizens need and by raising the price to a ridiculous amount, not entirely putting the blame on the government but they have been ruining everything since this pandemic began, and yes, I am talking about Philippines.
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September 15, 2021, 10:13:15 PM
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i mean apart from the fact the covid has hit the economy real hard and crippled  every possible business and industry, it is actually a fair law to prevent anyone who is not vaccinated to go into public place or to travel because he could be carrying the virus to other people even if he is not sick and we all know that this whole situation started because of one person and it is gonna take one person to bring it back.
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September 15, 2021, 11:03:19 PM
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They will really implement that for most countries because they all want to go back now to our old lives when there's no need for mask. Since there's a lot of vaccination that are on-going and there's a lot of choice to make.

You'll be required for most establishments to be one. And for those that still don't like to take a jab, they'll now be deprived of choice because these establishments and services will require someone upon entering a vaccine card.

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September 15, 2021, 11:06:48 PM
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They will really implement that for most countries because they all want to go back now to our old lives when there's no need for mask. Since there's a lot of vaccination that are on-going and there's a lot of choice to make.

You'll be required for most establishments to be one. And for those that still don't like to take a jab, they'll now be deprived of choice because these establishments and services will require someone upon entering a vaccine card.

Unfortunately, most governments may really require travelers being vaccinated. This is just to ensure that their population is safe from further infection. And this will truly limit the movement of some people who don't want to get the vaccine. Because it is still up to your choice but then again, you need to accept the consequences involved like traveling may be limited.
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September 15, 2021, 11:13:26 PM
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And they say that people have freedom and there is democracy in this world, what a hilarious joke. Don't get wrong with me, I amn't anti-vaxxer, no, I prefer vaccination but I think Covid and Flu vaccines mustn't be compulsory. I am a healthy person, always eat with healthy food and always protect the balanced diet, do cardio exercises, run every morning, do workout, cut/minimize sugar, trans fats, etc. So, I have great immune system, I almost never get cold/flu and have never visited to the doctor for health issue cause I don't have. So, why do I have to get vaccinated? Especially when it's flu like virus and I have great immune system. I have had a contact with so many people, I probably would get Covid but have never ever been felt and even if something happens, I hugely believe it will go easy on me.

The vaccination is not only for your good or safety but for the safety of the masses. If you are a healthy person and always eat good foods, how about the man beside you? I rather advice that our concern should only be if there is a side effect of the vaccination, which I believe there is none. I wish we all learn to trust the government, if they are to fail in other things, I think no government will deceive the citizens she is security their lives.
What should I do about the man behind me when I am healthy? And what can I do even if I am vaccinated? It was stated that vaccination doesn't prevent infection in this case. You can still get infected with covid even if you are vaccinated, the only difference is that vaccinated people fight this virus easily and there is very low chance of serious threat or death. So, if I am healthy, I will fight this virus easily just like vaccinated people. Not me, nor vaccinated people lessen the spread of the virus, the benefit of vaccination and health (in my case) is only personal. That's why I don't think that it should be mandatory to get vaccinated. Again, I amn't anti-vaxxer, hope you understand the point. Doctors even hesitate to prescribe trt for long term while it has 10 years of medical study behind it, so why to inject immediately something that was invented yesterday and it's pros doesn't outweigh cos for healthy people?

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September 16, 2021, 02:05:28 AM
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I now see a situation that the world is changing and is coming to a level where if you don't have a covid-19 vaccination you won't be allowed to buy or sell.
this is possible and could be happening now on many parts of the world however i dont think this is possible online .
if ever we are working in real life and we are required for vaccination ,
we can always quit or resign because it is our life , we control it and we wont let them experiment us with those vaccines because those can be life threatening .  besides there are still other ways to live like learning cryptos  .
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September 16, 2021, 02:20:54 AM
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They will really implement that for most countries because they all want to go back now to our old lives when there's no need for mask. Since there's a lot of vaccination that are on-going and there's a lot of choice to make.

You'll be required for most establishments to be one. And for those that still don't like to take a jab, they'll now be deprived of choice because these establishments and services will require someone upon entering a vaccine card.

Unfortunately, most governments may really require travelers being vaccinated. This is just to ensure that their population is safe from further infection. And this will truly limit the movement of some people who don't want to get the vaccine. Because it is still up to your choice but then again, you need to accept the consequences involved like traveling may be limited.
And that is the problem, the government will narrow the space for those who are not vaccinated and cannot travel to certain commercial places and places because they will ask for vaccine cards and if not, they will not be allowed in or out.
and such a situation will make those who don't like vaccines feel uncomfortable and finally they have no other choice to be vaccinated for their freedom to be able to travel and enter certain places, and I don't like this kind of situation until now I still have doubts about vaccines .

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The epidemic is too powerful this time. I have never seen a pandemic virus that is so difficult to control. Although vaccines have been developed very quickly, this is not a way to stop the spread of the virus. There should be cases who are still infected after being vaccinated. Viruses, but this can be regarded as a kind of psychological suggestion. Most people trust the vaccine and actively vaccinate. This is a positive behavior and is responsible for themselves and others.
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September 16, 2021, 04:05:17 AM
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And that is the problem, the government will narrow the space for those who are not vaccinated and cannot travel to certain commercial places and places because they will ask for vaccine cards and if not, they will not be allowed in or out.
and such a situation will make those who don't like vaccines feel uncomfortable and finally they have no other choice to be vaccinated for their freedom to be able to travel and enter certain places, and I don't like this kind of situation until now I still have doubts about vaccines .

If you have a problem with the restrictions, then you need to get vaccinated. You can't play both the sides. If you don't want to get vaccinated, then it's fine with me. But then you need to stay at home, to lessen the chances of someone else getting infected from you. On one hand, you don't want to get vaccinated, and on the other hand you want complete freedom to travel. Essentially what you are asking for, is a freedom to infect others. People like me are not going to agree with that. Because I would say that you pose a danger for me, if you are allowed in the same flight or same shop where I am visiting.

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September 16, 2021, 05:45:31 AM
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I also feel bad about this imagine in almost every establishments and businesses and even government center? they are requiring a Vaccine card before allowing to enter or transacting? this is unfair because not everyone is willing to partake in that vaccination process and also don't want that vaccine inside their body so what is this all about?
it is against their will so why treating like this, they must treat people freely and let them have what they want as long as there is a protocol inside the building.
there is a campaign here now about disregarding these rules and it is getting more and more sympathy and sooner will win i guess.

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September 16, 2021, 08:42:08 AM
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Covid-19 is coming so fiercely. It has spread without time for us and it spreads all over the world. This spread can be said to be the fastest in history. The government has also actively responded with policies. Since the vaccine is available, it has been around. People who are vaccinated are generally vaccinated. The government issued a notice requiring everyone to actively vaccinate. People who are vaccinated can go to various places freely, but they must take protective measures. If they are not vaccinated, there may be restrictions on activities.
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September 16, 2021, 09:55:56 AM
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They will really implement that for most countries because they all want to go back now to our old lives when there's no need for mask. Since there's a lot of vaccination that are on-going and there's a lot of choice to make.

You'll be required for most establishments to be one. And for those that still don't like to take a jab, they'll now be deprived of choice because these establishments and services will require someone upon entering a vaccine card.

Unfortunately, most governments may really require travelers being vaccinated. This is just to ensure that their population is safe from further infection. And this will truly limit the movement of some people who don't want to get the vaccine. Because it is still up to your choice but then again, you need to accept the consequences involved like traveling may be limited.
Well, that's really unfortunate for those that don't want to take the vaccine. Even if we don't really want to take vaccines or we're sympathizing with them.

There's nothing much that we can do about it because most governments are having this kind of protocol and rule for their citizens and as well as travelers that may come to their country.

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September 16, 2021, 09:59:03 AM
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Is there anyone brave and unvaccinated in this topic ?  Cool

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September 16, 2021, 11:29:03 AM
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What should I do about the man behind me when I am healthy? And what can I do even if I am vaccinated? It was stated that vaccination doesn't prevent infection in this case. You can still get infected with covid even if you are vaccinated, the only difference is that vaccinated people fight this virus easily and there is very low chance of serious threat or death. So, if I am healthy, I will fight this virus easily just like vaccinated people. Not me, nor vaccinated people lessen the spread of the virus, the benefit of vaccination and health (in my case) is only personal. That's why I don't think that it should be mandatory to get vaccinated. Again, I amn't anti-vaxxer, hope you understand the point. Doctors even hesitate to prescribe trt for long term while it has 10 years of medical study behind it, so why to inject immediately something that was invented yesterday and it's pros doesn't outweigh cos for healthy people?

I am not sure that vaccination doesn't prevent infection. If so, the effort is in futility or just a mere immune booster exercise. There is actually two types of vaccination; Preventive and Therapeutic. The former as the name implies should serve its function. Again, healthy persons are the safest people to take the vaccination as WHO warned that people with some health issues should avoid the vaccination. I surely understand your point that health related issues should be treated personally. This will be acceptable if we consider Covid-19 as other conventional sickness (advanced malaria). I however align with you that the Covid-19 vaccines were not subjected to extensive trials. It should raise concerns.  Why I have confidence in the vaccination is because, it is not country base. If there be a conspiracy, it should be called a universal conspiracy.

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September 16, 2021, 12:38:29 PM
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Refusing to take a vaccine is not brave. It is a stupid and retarded move. In my neighborhood, there was a family that refused to adhere to any of the security precautions. They refused to take vaccine, and mocked anyone who asked them to wear masks. When the second wave hit India (April this year), the family also got infected. 3 of the members landed in hospital and one of them died. I am quite sure that the surviving members would disagree with your post now. Don't think that it is "brave" to refuse vaccine.
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September 16, 2021, 05:14:01 PM
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I also feel bad about this imagine in almost every establishments and businesses and even government center? they are requiring a Vaccine card before allowing to enter or transacting? this is unfair because not everyone is willing to partake in that vaccination process and also don't want that vaccine inside their body so what is this all about?
it is against their will so why treating like this, they must treat people freely and let them have what they want as long as there is a protocol inside the building.
there is a campaign here now about disregarding these rules and it is getting more and more sympathy and sooner will win i guess.
Sure they can "treat people freely", but most anti-vaxxers are very stubborn. They are against vaccination and don't want to get vaccinated. They encourage people not to take vaccines. Ok, we are fine with that. But then again, most of the anti-vaxxers are against wearing mask, going through quarantine or maintain any sort of social distance. According to them, everything is a hoax and a scare tactic used by the government to control the people. I mean how blind or stupid do you have to be to act like this?

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September 16, 2021, 08:04:30 PM
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I also feel bad about this imagine in almost every establishments and businesses and even government center? they are requiring a Vaccine card before allowing to enter or transacting? this is unfair because not everyone is willing to partake in that vaccination process and also don't want that vaccine inside their body so what is this all about?
it is against their will so why treating like this, they must treat people freely and let them have what they want as long as there is a protocol inside the building.
there is a campaign here now about disregarding these rules and it is getting more and more sympathy and sooner will win i guess.
The fact that people still imagine a vaccine to save the world is "against free will" is beyond my understanding. Let's assume that vaccination is something that you should have an option of opting out, just for a second let's say that we said "alright you can die if you want to, it is your choice to die" because that is literally what we are saying to those who do not get the vaccination, they may die at a much higher rate so it is suicide of sorts not to get it.

However even with that, you are not just hurting yourself, low vaccination rate means filled hospitals, filled hospitals means more lockdowns, more lockdowns means less freedom for me, plus no-vaxx people getting it constantly and without having a trouble (you do not have to be hospitalized if you get it) they cause new mutations and variants which makes my vaccination less worthy.

So, you not getting the vaccination hurts me, hell I could be in a bike accident and ER near me could be filled with people like you and I might die because I was taken to a longer and far away hospital. Getting vaccinated is not just about you, it is about everyone around you, it always hurts other, not just you, but everyone else, so get it, I do not care if they have to get a warrant for you and catch you with cops and put you in a chair and lock you up and forcefully vaccinate you, EVERYONE should get it so that we do not die collectively.

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