Covid-19 vaccination becoming a criteria to live in the world

[MKings]

Some factories and companies need to be vaccinated before you can enter. Some factories are strict and you still need to continue to wear a mask even after you get vaccinated and enter the factory. Protect the health and safety of yourself and others.
Vaccination is also a good thing for all of us. Can strengthen our immunity. After vaccination, you can enter and exit shopping malls or public places at will (even if you don't wear a mask). Vaccination has become a standard.

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[RealMalatesta]

I now see a situation that the world is changing and is coming to a level where if you don't have a covid-19 vaccination clearence or means to verify that you have been vaccinated or have received the latest jab of the vaccine, you won't be allowed to buy or sell. I had in my mind that face mask was going to play this "devil's advocate" but no, the vaccination is getting serious with huge restrictions and therefore looking like it is the devil's advocate.

The idea of vaccination is a good one, but I don’t think it is something that they have to force people to do. Getting vaccinated should be something of choice, you should decide whether you want to do it or not, if you want to do it then you can go ahead and get vaccinated and if not you can leave it. They shouldn’t be forcing anyone to get vaccinated, and more of a lot of people are scared and they don’t trust whether they vaccine is reliable or not and the after effects of it is what you don’t know.

We have heard a lot of bad stories about the vaccines and the kind of effects they had on some people, although I can’t  really say for sure if all those  stories are true or not.

[mirakal]

Sad but true, though the government assures that vaccination is not compulsory if we look at the establishment, they will require a vaccination card before you can enter the place as it's the standard set by the owners. How would anyone enjoy freedom if that's the rule? the government did not directly say it's compulsory but in reality, it is, I'm expressing my opinion based on my experience in our country.

I can truly attest to that because that's already happening in our country too. Even when it comes to public vehicles and services, passengers are required to show their vaccination card and a negative result of rapid antigen test particularly if you came from other municipalities or cities. We cannot longer enjoy our lives with this kind of governance as if those who are not vaccinated are being deprived from our privileges.

I get much affected with this type of government because i am not yet vaccinated, so other people who are fully vaccinated are acting like they want to avoid those non vaccinated ones. This is the sad reality of what is happening now.

I understand the action of the government, they are just protecting the interest of the majority as no government could serve everyone's interest since as a human, we have different beliefs and principle. Actually, there is some news that vaccines could also destroy the health of some people, and worst they die from it, so most probably that's the fear of people who are still unvaccinated now.

[macson]

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I understand why the government is eager for everyone to get vaccinated, it can protect us from illness not only from covid. But they must also respect the rights of people to refuse to get vaccinated for a certain reason. I got vaccinated (pfizer) already because it is advisable here though it is not mandatory yet. They cant take away the worries of people who are hesitant to get the vaccine especially that there are possible side effects which can complicate your existing illness (if there is).

i support vaccination but i don't support mandatory vaccines for all citizens because there are still many who can't get vaccines because they have congenital or other diseases.  if the vaccine card is required how can those who can't get the vaccine do their usual activities!

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Of course this makes it difficult for everyone, the covid passport is not effective to prevent us from the covid virus, I'm afraid the covid passport is used as a business and political tool to regulate our freedom, of course we have to oppose restrictive rules such as the application of the covid passport.

this is also one of our worries during the demonstration, the corruptors take advantage of this loophole to enrich themselves and make it their dirty business.

[ZaraCB]

Covid 19 vaccination is necessary not only for oneself but also our family and society. There are some uneducated people in our country who are afraid to get vaccinated. But now they have to show the vaccination card to enter various educational institutions, banks, govt offices. As a result, they have been forced to vaccinate.

[bryant.coleman]

Covid 19 vaccination is necessary not only for oneself but also our family and society. There are some uneducated people in our country who are afraid to get vaccinated. But now they have to show the vaccination card to enter various educational institutions, banks, govt offices. As a result, they have been forced to vaccinate.

OK.. at least in your country the uneducated people are showing reluctance to get vaccinated. I have heard that in countries like Russia and India, even sections of educated public are staying away from vaccination. There are a lot of rumors circulating around, and this has created fear and uncertainty in the minds of people. In Russia for example, only of the 27% population has got vaccinated, despite they being one of the leading manufacturers of the vaccine. And the mortality has stayed closed to 1,000 per day in the recent months. 

[bitzizzix]

Covid 19 vaccination is necessary not only for oneself but also our family and society. There are some uneducated people in our country who are afraid to get vaccinated. But now they have to show the vaccination card to enter various educational institutions, banks, govt offices. As a result, they have been forced to vaccinate.

I think those who refuse to be vaccinated are mostly due to lack of information about vaccination and distrust of vaccines, Worry about side effects and also vaccine production being judged too fast, and various other reasons.
the government or anyone associated with the vaccine program must provide the general public with accessible and reliable means of information, and in addition those who have been vaccinated should recommend to others that vaccination is harmless.

and feel unfair because for those who have not been vaccinated are not allowed to travel anywhere and also to enter anywhere must show a certificate of vaccination and if not then they are not allowed to enter or travel.
and gradually those who refuse to be vaccinated will change their minds and most importantly convince them in any way and also tell in as much detail as possible the safety and benefits of being vaccinated.

[Rasa nanas]

I'm a little confused by this situation. Actually, the vaccine is the right of every human being, so it means that every human being has the right to refuse not to be vaccinated. but most places require visitors to bring a vaccination card, so this is equivalent to forcing someone to receive the vaccine. super markets, tourist attractions, government offices, tourist attractions, and even going to other cities must bring a vaccination certificate.

[kendedese]

The policy aims to make the majority of the community willing to receive vaccines and group immunity can be formed immediately. Now that fake news about vaccines has spread, without such a policy most people would of course refuse to be vaccinated. With this policy of course the pandemic will end soon and the economy will recover soon.

[perfect999]

I'm a little confused by this situation. Actually, the vaccine is the right of every human being, so it means that every human being has the right to refuse not to be vaccinated. but most places require visitors to bring a vaccination card, so this is equivalent to forcing someone to receive the vaccine. super markets, tourist attractions, government offices, tourist attractions, and even going to other cities must bring a vaccination certificate.

Mate, I don't think getting vaccinated is a "choice" anymore given the severity of this virus. You need to understand that by not getting vaccinated you are not only risking your own life but also putting other's life at risk. No doubt, you have the right to suicide by not getting vaccinated but you cannot transmit the virus to others just because of your "choice".

Anyone who is against the vaccination process, please think about it twice, you are not just risking your own life but you might end up transmitting the virus to your loved ones.

[Tumanggor]

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I don't know, but is that really okay If you took the 1st dose from different brand and another brand for the 2nd dose? Is that recommended?
I mean this vaccines might contain vital contents that may trigger hidden illnesses.
I'm not sure, I'm not expert. I just want to make sure as I'm about to have my 2nd dose 2 weeks from now and I want the same vaccine brand from my 1st.

here we cannot choose which vaccine to inject, everything is regulated by the government and simultaneously carried out
wave 1 = Sinovac and second wave = Astra. even those who got the third injection (for health workers) got the Moderna vaccine

Whether we like it or not, the vaccine will soon become compulsory and it will be a requirement when we're traveling or entering a building.
However, people who don't want to get vaccinated can tamper a fake vaccination documents.

Several forgeries of vaccine certificates have been arrested, the government here uses a tool such as a barcode scan and it is clearly stated whether the vaccine certificate is fake or genuine

[Wawa2013]

I have to admit that currently the way to fight COVID-19 with vaccination is mandatory, because it is not enough to just follow health protocols.
Moreover, with the increasing number of variants of this virus, it is very natural that in the end some countries vaccination becomes mandatory.
But indeed on the one hand we must respect those who refuse to be vaccinated, because I agree that there should be no coercion to vaccinate.
If there are people who refuse the vaccine, it is enough to provide education and their movement is limited,  they are not allowed to do too many
activities outside the home.

It is a very complex topic. Obviously we should respect the decision of those who refuse to get vaccinated. But at the same time, we need to remember that those who refuse to get vaccinated are not only putting their lives in danger, but also endangering others lives as well. So this presents a very uncomfortable question on whether we should tolerate these anti-vaxxers among ourselves. The fact is that this pandemic would have been under control by now, if vaccination was being made mandatory. That was not done and the freedom to choose was given to individuals. But that is costing lives now.

Moreover, in countries with high vaccination percentages, it is proven that the spread of the virus is more controlled. This means that vaccination
must indeed be required by the government,  it seems that the government has to make difficult decisions for the safety of all its citizens.
As you said, a person who refuses to vaccinate can be a danger to himself and others around him. I think in the end everyone is forced to get
vaccinated, because like in my country to use public facilities, it is required to show a certificate that we have been vaccinated. So, like it or not,
people who previously refused to be vaccinated are forced to vaccinate for unrestricted activities.

[dunfida]

I'm a little confused by this situation. Actually, the vaccine is the right of every human being, so it means that every human being has the right to refuse not to be vaccinated. but most places require visitors to bring a vaccination card, so this is equivalent to forcing someone to receive the vaccine. super markets, tourist attractions, government offices, tourist attractions, and even going to other cities must bring a vaccination certificate.

Mate, I don't think getting vaccinated is a "choice" anymore given the severity of this virus. You need to understand that by not getting vaccinated you are not only risking your own life but also putting other's life at risk. No doubt, you have the right to suicide by not getting vaccinated but you cannot transmit the virus to others just because of your "choice".

Anyone who is against the vaccination process, please think about it twice, you are not just risking your own life but you might end up transmitting the virus to your loved ones.

Vaccine doesnt give out guarantee that you wont get infected thats why it is just wrong you do tell that non-vaccinated people could really put up other peoples lives to risk.You should at least have some consideration

before making those kind of conclusions.Of course it would be still a personal choice because no one forces out for you to get vaccinated unless if its really done on harsh way but it seems government

in some countries do really make out some desperate moves for them to vaccinate out people on their vicinity.

[Sithara007]

Moreover, in countries with high vaccination percentages, it is proven that the spread of the virus is more controlled. This means that vaccination
must indeed be required by the government,  it seems that the government has to make difficult decisions for the safety of all its citizens.
As you said, a person who refuses to vaccinate can be a danger to himself and others around him. I think in the end everyone is forced to get
vaccinated, because like in my country to use public facilities, it is required to show a certificate that we have been vaccinated. So, like it or not,
people who previously refused to be vaccinated are forced to vaccinate for unrestricted activities.

It is a complex, and at the same time controversial topic. There may be cases where the individual may not be able to get vaccinated due to medical conditions, or due to some other factor. It is a very difficult question, to whether the restrictions should be applicable in such instances. IMO, irrespective of such conditions, they should be excluded from public places. Because this group still represents a greater than average risk of spreading COVID. The choice is very simple - get vaccinated and gain access to public places, or remain unvaccinated and stay away from crowded areas. 

[noorman0]

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if you want to do it then you can go ahead and get vaccinated and if not you can leave it. They shouldn’t be forcing anyone to get vaccinated, and more of a lot of people are scared and they don’t trust whether they vaccine is reliable or not and the after effects of it is what you don’t know.

Various pro-government public media in my country always report statistics that the increase in the number of vaccines is based on people's awareness of health care. The fact is that the poor have to show a vaccination card to get the basic food allowance which will apply for the next round. And I'm sure that this requirement will apply to anyone who wants to deal with government agencies in the future. This means that there is no freedom, the government is playing with bureaucratic pressure to fight that freedom.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Various pro-government public media in my country always report statistics that the increase in the number of vaccines is based on people's awareness of health care. The fact is that the poor have to show a vaccination card to get the basic food allowance which will apply for the next round. And I'm sure that this requirement will apply to anyone who wants to deal with government agencies in the future. This means that there is no freedom, the government is playing with bureaucratic pressure to fight that freedom.

I don't think that there's anything wrong with this move. It is the choice of the individual to decide whether he want to get vaccinated or not. But at the same time, it is the choice of the government to decide whether they want to give benefits to the unvaccinated people. Now you can't argue that you are fine with one, and not with the other. Here in my country, it has been found that close to 99% of the deaths from COVID are among the unvaccinated people. Those who refuse to take the vaccine are creating danger for others as well. So I don't find anything wrong with the measures from government agencies.

[bakasabo]

It is the choice of the individual to decide whether he want to get vaccinated or not. But at the same time, it is the choice of the government to decide whether they want to give benefits to the unvaccinated people.

I would speak frankly, the first reason I took vaccine was to be able to travel abroad, visit places and store in my country. Safety was not the main reason to get it. During 1.5 years living with covid all around the world, none of my relatives or people around got symptoms. Even people around people I know did not get infected with covid.

I would like to comment on "it is the choice of the government to decide whether they want to give benefits to the unvaccinated people.". If this really happens, this will be negative actions against their own country and people.

If they dont want to give benefits, then let unvaccinated people free from taxes. Or it will look like they just take but dont give anything back. What do you mean under the word benefits ? Dont give medical treatment to unvaccinated? Police wont protect them and in case of fire let them burn? No social guaranties and no payments to unemployment?

There are already countries who divide population into citizens and non-citizen/alien and give them passports of different format, yet everyone pays identical taxes. I dont want "unvaccinated non-citizen with limited benefits" people to appear or be called like that.

[iv4n]

It is the choice of the individual to decide whether he want to get vaccinated or not. But at the same time, it is the choice of the government to decide whether they want to give benefits to the unvaccinated people.

I would speak frankly, the first reason I took vaccine was to be able to travel abroad, visit places and store in my country. Safety was not the main reason to get it. During 1.5 years living with covid all around the world, none of my relatives or people around got symptoms. Even people around people I know did not get infected with covid.

I would like to comment on "it is the choice of the government to decide whether they want to give benefits to the unvaccinated people.". If this really happens, this will be negative actions against their own country and people.

If they dont want to give benefits, then let unvaccinated people free from taxes. Or it will look like they just take but dont give anything back. What do you mean under the word benefits ? Dont give medical treatment to unvaccinated? Police wont protect them and in case of fire let them burn? No social guaranties and no payments to unemployment?

There are already countries who divide population into citizens and non-citizen/alien and give them passports of different format, yet everyone pays identical taxes. I dont want "unvaccinated non-citizen with limited benefits" people to appear or be called like that.

Very nice comment Bakasabo! Very nice points and questions... but I would like to focus on the last lines, because it's the answer why this is happening!

Divide et impera!

This fuckers on top found a way to divide people even more, and this is what happens now... with all the differences out there we have another one, an invisible enemy that will divide people who took the vaccine and the ones who didn't! Governments are trying to emphasize all this, but they are doing that in such a stupid way, unlogical... there will be no food for people who are not vaccinated, but they will collect taxes from everyone! What a joke all this really is?!

I really can't believe how many brainwashed people walk around... and that number is only rising!

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
George Carlin

[Pulsar77]

The vaccination is becoming a criteria indeed and it must be also. Without vaccines, the probability of being taken into intensive care is rising very quickly. Because in that case, our immune system is having a big difficulty in fighting against the virus. And we have even deadlier variants now. We have no choice other than being vaccinated if we care about our life. There is no meaning in being anti-vaxxer.

[DrBeer]

Quite an obvious and normal state! Vaccination reduces both morbidity and mortality. This means that it minimizes the huge costs of the state for the maintenance and treatment of patients, payments of social assistance, support for families who have lost breadwinners, etc. The costs of "relations with Covid" are huge sums that kill the budgets of countries. If this is a serious burden for monsters like the United States, then what about countries with a lower standard of living and income? Therefore, vaccination is not only the preservation of the population, but also the real salvation of states ...