Covid-19 vaccination becoming a criteria to live in the world

[Ucy]

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[kotajikikox]

I now see a situation that the world is changing and is coming to a level where if you don't have a covid-19 vaccination clearence or means to verify that you have been vaccinated or have received the latest jab of the vaccine, you won't be allowed to buy or sell.

i also noticed this recently when a favorite mall of mine is now announced that they will never let people enters their premises if you won't show or provide your vaccination record in which i found not for human.

people knows their body, they knew if they can accumulate the vaccine or not.

there has cases here in my place where someone with Heart issue died after the vaccine just 12 hours later.

[bryant.coleman]

Quite an obvious and normal state! Vaccination reduces both morbidity and mortality. This means that it minimizes the huge costs of the state for the maintenance and treatment of patients, payments of social assistance, support for families who have lost breadwinners, etc. The costs of "relations with Covid" are huge sums that kill the budgets of countries. If this is a serious burden for monsters like the United States, then what about countries with a lower standard of living and income? Therefore, vaccination is not only the preservation of the population, but also the real salvation of states ...

The death toll in US currently stands at 680,282 (>2 per 1,000). I don't have accurate numbers for those who got hospitalized, but I assume that it will be in millions. Given the inflated healthcare costs in the US, this would have created an additional burden of hundreds of billions of USD to individuals, as well as for the state and federal governments. And this time the pandemic has impacted all the countries, irrespective of their financial state. But I agree with your post. For the third world, it is going to be really hard.

[geegaw]

The vaccination is becoming a criteria indeed and it must be also. Without vaccines, the probability of being taken into intensive care is rising very quickly. Because in that case, our immune system is having a big difficulty in fighting against the virus. And we have even deadlier variants now. We have no choice other than being vaccinated if we care about our life. There is no meaning in being anti-vaxxer.

Well, vaccination really stimulates the immune system and produces certain antibodies to limit the powerful attack and destruction abilities of Covid but instead of accepting vaccination and accompanying the government against this century's epidemic, many residents are still not united and insecure about vaccination due to many fatal and ineffective sources. but instead of accepting vaccination and accompanying the government against this century's epidemic, many residents are still not united and insecure about vaccination due to many fatal and ineffective sources.

[DrBeer]

Quite an obvious and normal state! Vaccination reduces both morbidity and mortality. This means that it minimizes the huge costs of the state for the maintenance and treatment of patients, payments of social assistance, support for families who have lost breadwinners, etc. The costs of "relations with Covid" are huge sums that kill the budgets of countries. If this is a serious burden for monsters like the United States, then what about countries with a lower standard of living and income? Therefore, vaccination is not only the preservation of the population, but also the real salvation of states ...

The death toll in US currently stands at 680,282 (>2 per 1,000). I don't have accurate numbers for those who got hospitalized, but I assume that it will be in millions. Given the inflated healthcare costs in the US, this would have created an additional burden of hundreds of billions of USD to individuals, as well as for the state and federal governments. And this time the pandemic has impacted all the countries, irrespective of their financial state. But I agree with your post. For the third world, it is going to be really hard.

I even think that the United States in this "story" suffered financially, from the calculation of 1 resident, almost the most - in the fight against the pandemic, from the very beginning so many forces, equipment, personnel, money were involved, and at the same time the scale of the defeat was very high against the background of other countries. Plus, I know that the state has undertaken huge financial expenses for direct financial assistance to its citizens, as well as others (rations, food packages, etc.) ...
But the US economy / state budget is also a separate topic, and perhaps their economy will not suffer as much as others.

[Silberman]

That's actually a good thing because that only means that countries are much more serious when it comes to trying to obliterate the pandemic once and for all, the only problem is that the idiot ant-vaxxers that's trying to hinder the progress towards herd immunity.

The issue is not as simple as you make it out to be, this is a classic case of individual rights and what society expects out of you, I have taken the vaccine and I would appreciate if the majority took the vaccine as well, but if you force people to take the vaccine then you are trampling on their rights, so the question is as what point society can do something like this and void the right to decide that people have over their own bodies? And this is not by any means an easy debate to have.

Well forcing someone to get vaccinated is already depriving them from their human right. The government is really serious in encouraging everyone to get vaccinated so that the disease will be prevented from spreading it but it does not stated in the law that it is mandatory and so everyone should comply.

However, with the latest implementations from the government, vaccine becomes a criteria to live in the world and those who can enjoy it and those who can't. So it is becoming unfair now to those who don't want to take the vaccine although its really necessary to get vaccinated as to stay away from the deadly virus.

Which is exactly my point, those that are not vaccinated are becoming almost second class citizens and this is not correct, we must try to encourage them to take the vaccine as I really think it is the best for them and for us but it is a completely different thing to force them to take it and if they do not to force such heavy consequences against them as there are many businesses that are not health related that are mandating their employees to get vaccinated or face termination.

[bryant.coleman]

Which is exactly my point, those that are not vaccinated are becoming almost second class citizens and this is not correct, we must try to encourage them to take the vaccine as I really think it is the best for them and for us but it is a completely different thing to force them to take it and if they do not to force such heavy consequences against them as there are many businesses that are not health related that are mandating their employees to get vaccinated or face termination.

Laws can't be one-sided. Individuals have the freedom to refuse vaccines. At the same time, employers and shops have the freedom to refuse those who refuse the vaccines. Infringing on any of the camps would be unfair. The anti-vaxxer brigade essentially want the freedom to roam around freely and spread the virus to those who are in their vicinity. No one in their right mind would agree to this. If you don't want to take vaccine, then you are a danger to everyone else and need to stay at home.

[sana54210]

I would like to comment on "it is the choice of the government to decide whether they want to give benefits to the unvaccinated people.". If this really happens, this will be negative actions against their own country and people.

If they dont want to give benefits, then let unvaccinated people free from taxes. Or it will look like they just take but dont give anything back. What do you mean under the word benefits ? Dont give medical treatment to unvaccinated? Police wont protect them and in case of fire let them burn? No social guaranties and no payments to unemployment?

There are already countries who divide population into citizens and non-citizen/alien and give them passports of different format, yet everyone pays identical taxes. I dont want "unvaccinated non-citizen with limited benefits" people to appear or be called like that.

They are not "just take but not give back" covid vaccination is not something you get just because of yourself, it is something you get for everyone around you as well. It is like saying if I commit suicide it is only my deal, yes you die but after you die you are leaving so many people behind that ruins the family, friends and many other people.

So, what happens if 10 thousand people who are not related at all commits suicide at the same time in a nation, do you really think that it would be alright for the nation? Why do we have suicide prevention lines? Because suicide is bad for you and we would not want you to die BUT it also hurts the nation when more and more people commit suicide.

This is the same thing, government sees people killing themselves by not getting vaccinated and they want to keep you alive, they ARE giving you back, those vaccinations are not free for them neither, they pay for it and they are paying for it and using all the hospitals to help you not die, NOT DIE, that is a very big thing.

[CapGelatik]

The vaccination is becoming a criteria indeed and it must be also. Without vaccines, the probability of being taken into intensive care is rising very quickly. Because in that case, our immune system is having a big difficulty in fighting against the virus. And we have even deadlier variants now. We have no choice other than being vaccinated if we care about our life. There is no meaning in being anti-vaxxer.

Everyone I'm sure they have their own views on vaccines,
but if we talk about science, it seems that vaccine makers have proven that vaccines can make our immune system increase so we are not easily exposed to viruses,
so I think it's much better when we're vaccinated

[Finestream]

Which is exactly my point, those that are not vaccinated are becoming almost second class citizens and this is not correct, we must try to encourage them to take the vaccine as I really think it is the best for them and for us but it is a completely different thing to force them to take it and if they do not to force such heavy consequences against them as there are many businesses that are not health related that are mandating their employees to get vaccinated or face termination.

Laws can't be one-sided. Individuals have the freedom to refuse vaccines. At the same time, employers and shops have the freedom to refuse those who refuse the vaccines. Infringing on any of the camps would be unfair. The anti-vaxxer brigade essentially want the freedom to roam around freely and spread the virus to those who are in their vicinity. No one in their right mind would agree to this. If you don't want to take vaccine, then you are a danger to everyone else and need to stay at home.

Non vaccinated people are becoming a threat in the community. And even if they go out and roam around, they are not the priorities anymore because most of the establishments right now are asking for vaccination card and if you can't present it, then you are not allowed to enter too. So the government is clearly making non vaccinated people a useless people in the community.

Whether we like it or not, at least we should think also the safety of other people and this can be done only if we take the action to be vaccinated. Although the government cannot force us to do it but we know deep in our heart that its the most right thing to do this time so we can stop spreading the contagious disease caused by this covid 19 virus.

[Shasha80]

Which is exactly my point, those that are not vaccinated are becoming almost second class citizens and this is not correct, we must try to encourage them to take the vaccine as I really think it is the best for them and for us but it is a completely different thing to force them to take it and if they do not to force such heavy consequences against them as there are many businesses that are not health related that are mandating their employees to get vaccinated or face termination.

Laws can't be one-sided. Individuals have the freedom to refuse vaccines. At the same time, employers and shops have the freedom to refuse those who refuse the vaccines. Infringing on any of the camps would be unfair. The anti-vaxxer brigade essentially want the freedom to roam around freely and spread the virus to those who are in their vicinity. No one in their right mind would agree to this. If you don't want to take vaccine, then you are a danger to everyone else and need to stay at home.

I agree that the law should be fair to everyone, but the rules regarding vaccines must be flexible in my opinion. Because shop owners or companies do
have to force their employees to be vaccinated, because it is dangerous for others to give employees the freedom not to vaccinate. As for ordinary people
who are given the freedom to refuse vaccines, they have to do a lot of activities at home. So indeed the freedom to refuse vaccines cannot be applied
to everyone, depending on the person's daily activities. COVID-19 is indeed a complex problem, so its handling is also unusual. As the death toll continues
to grow, then precautions must be taken which may sound unfair to some people. So we have to understand why some people are given the freedom to
refuse vaccines and some people can't.

[Sithara007]

I agree that the law should be fair to everyone, but the rules regarding vaccines must be flexible in my opinion. Because shop owners or companies do
have to force their employees to be vaccinated, because it is dangerous for others to give employees the freedom not to vaccinate. As for ordinary people
who are given the freedom to refuse vaccines, they have to do a lot of activities at home. So indeed the freedom to refuse vaccines cannot be applied
to everyone, depending on the person's daily activities. COVID-19 is indeed a complex problem, so its handling is also unusual. As the death toll continues
to grow, then precautions must be taken which may sound unfair to some people. So we have to understand why some people are given the freedom to
refuse vaccines and some people can't.

They are as flexible as they can be. Already individuals are being given the freedom not to take vaccine. I think this is the maximum flexibility that the government can provide. They need to balance both the issues - they can't infringe on personal liberty, and at the same time they can't allow people with a very high chance of contracting COVID roaming around in the public. But for the employers, they need to be strict. They can't endanger 95% of the staff for the benefit of the remaining 5%. If they do so, then they may face legal suites later.

[bakasabo]

Non vaccinated people are becoming a threat in the community. And even if they go out and roam around, they are not the priorities anymore because most of the establishments right now are asking for vaccination card and if you can't present it, then you are not allowed to enter too. So the government is clearly making non vaccinated people a useless people in the community.

Whether we like it or not, at least we should think also the safety of other people and this can be done only if we take the action to be vaccinated. Although the government cannot force us to do it but we know deep in our heart that its the most right thing to do this time so we can stop spreading the contagious disease caused by this covid 19 virus.

Government are not making unvaccinated people useless, they are making them unwanted. Unvaccinated can still work, perform tasks, they can do same job from home or from isolation as vaccinated people.

Interesting sentence you have written: "Non vaccinated people are becoming a threat". Can you prove that? Actually there is a little difference between unvaccinated and vaccinated. Are you 200% sure that vaccinated people are more safe thanks to vaccine, and not thanks to their immune system? Yet both have sad similarities as being virus carriers, a must to wear masks everywhere, keeping social distancing.

[bryant.coleman]

Interesting sentence you have written: "Non vaccinated people are becoming a threat". Can you prove that? Actually there is a little difference between unvaccinated and vaccinated. Are you 200% sure that vaccinated people are more safe thanks to vaccine, and not thanks to their immune system? Yet both have sad similarities as being virus carriers, a must to wear masks everywhere, keeping social distancing.

Yes. Unvaccinated people are becoming a threat, to those around them. In the recent days, it has been observed that >99% of the deaths in all the countries due to COVID 19 are among individuals who are not fully vaccinated. These people are more likely to get infected by COVID and spread the infection to others (at least 4x higher chance), have higher probability of getting hospitalized and finally have a much higher chance of dying from COVID (upto 200x more likely when compared to the vaccinated population).

[LUCKMCFLY]

I have a very different thought than the mass, which is, that this vaccine is mainly experimental, we do not know what the long-term effects are, to get a vaccine you do not need money, well if it is necessary but if and only if when you have at least 95% knowledge of the virus. For me, a vaccine that is efficient should take at least 5 or 6 years, if not what is currently happening happens, a strain comes out and another vaccine has to be made, then another strain comes out much harder than the previous one and that implies that another vaccine has to be launched to try to immunize, for me immunization is to maintain a high immune system, that is, vitamins in the immune system and each time try to have it very high so that diseases do not occur.

In addition, as I said before, we do not know what the long-term impacts of the vaccine are now, that is, we do not know what can happen in our body that can develop in 10 years, if it is something good or something bad, in addition to the interest of governments to get vaccinated is something strange, the good thing does not give it much. Maybe I'm a little skeptical, but it's my way of thinking.

[Rasa nanas]

The vaccination is becoming a criteria indeed and it must be also. Without vaccines, the probability of being taken into intensive care is rising very quickly. Because in that case, our immune system is having a big difficulty in fighting against the virus. And we have even deadlier variants now. We have no choice other than being vaccinated if we care about our life. There is no meaning in being anti-vaxxer.

the problem is this virus continues to mutate and create new variants that can be more infectious and deadly. we do not know in the future whether the vaccine we have received is still effective against this virus or not. Recently the delta variant virus has made most vaccines less effective.

[xSkylarx]

The vaccination is becoming a criteria indeed and it must be also. Without vaccines, the probability of being taken into intensive care is rising very quickly. Because in that case, our immune system is having a big difficulty in fighting against the virus. And we have even deadlier variants now. We have no choice other than being vaccinated if we care about our life. There is no meaning in being anti-vaxxer.

the problem is this virus continues to mutate and create new variants that can be more infectious and deadly. we do not know in the future whether the vaccine we have received is still effective against this virus or not. Recently the delta variant virus has made most vaccines less effective.

But getting injected is preferable to not getting injected, right? However, it is their personal preference. For the time being, it is becoming increasingly difficult as the virus evolves, but we don't have anything to do but wait for the virus to die out, which means that we must continue to follow the protocols in order for our country to boost its economy and recoup its losses.

[globalpain]

The vaccination is becoming a criteria indeed and it must be also. Without vaccines, the probability of being taken into intensive care is rising very quickly. Because in that case, our immune system is having a big difficulty in fighting against the virus. And we have even deadlier variants now. We have no choice other than being vaccinated if we care about our life. There is no meaning in being anti-vaxxer.

the problem is this virus continues to mutate and create new variants that can be more infectious and deadly. we do not know in the future whether the vaccine we have received is still effective against this virus or not. Recently the delta variant virus has made most vaccines less effective.

This is what is dangerous for sure when the virus continues to mutate rapidly,
Of course, this problem must have a solution immediately because after all, as you said when there is a new variant, it seems that the existing vaccines become less effective and there needs to be a new vaccine.

[bryant.coleman]

This is what is dangerous for sure when the virus continues to mutate rapidly,
Of course, this problem must have a solution immediately because after all, as you said when there is a new variant, it seems that the existing vaccines become less effective and there needs to be a new vaccine.

The important thing to remember here is that the vaccines become "less effective", but not "ineffective". Even with the mutant strains such as Delta and Gamma, the vaccinated people have a much lower chance of hospitalization and death when compared to those who refused to take vaccine. Now there is a catch. The vaccine manufacturers like Pfizer are now coming up with booster doses, specifically designed against these mutant strains. Coming up with a different booster dose for each of the mutation will be unviable.. but at this point we have limited options available.

[shield132]

And they say that people have freedom and there is democracy in this world, what a hilarious joke. Don't get wrong with me, I amn't anti-vaxxer, no, I prefer vaccination but I think Covid and Flu vaccines mustn't be compulsory. I am a healthy person, always eat with healthy food and always protect the balanced diet, do cardio exercises, run every morning, do workout, cut/minimize sugar, trans fats, etc. So, I have great immune system, I almost never get cold/flu and have never visited to the doctor for health issue cause I don't have. So, why do I have to get vaccinated? Especially when it's flu like virus and I have great immune system. I have had a contact with so many people, I probably would get Covid but have never ever been felt and even if something happens, I hugely believe it will go easy on me.

Covid vaccine mustn't be compulsory because it hasn't been tested. FDA approval means nothing, FDA has approved a lot of drugs and also has withdrew a lot of them too. At the same time, it's very clear that Pharma is a huge business. There was one documentary about the approval of Xanax, how bad side effects it had but still was FDA approved because it was very addictive and good money making medicine. No one tries to create anti anxiety drugs that wouldn't cause addiction while it's possible, why? Because that won't be profitable. See this article - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5973310/