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September 11, 2021, 12:01:53 PM
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I now see a situation that the world is changing and is coming to a level where if you don't have a covid-19 vaccination clearence or means to verify that you have been vaccinated or have received the latest jab of the vaccine, you won't be allowed to buy or sell. I had in my mind that face mask was going to play this "devil's advocate" but no, the vaccination is getting serious with huge restrictions and therefore looking like it is the devil's advocate.

Apart from the many countries that have been making public statement about the need and compulsory nature of taking the vaccine, I heard in the news barely 24 hours ago about America making it mandatory for big company owners to be vaccinated and show a prove of vaccination of their employees. This is more serious with America taking such steps to ensure compliance , more countries will follow this direction and gradually it will get to smaller businesses, SMEs and then to restrictions on entering banks, malls, fuels stations and etc which will replace face mask. Covid-19 Vaccination is becoming a serious phenomenon and even in Africa and Nigeria, it has started gaining grounds even as the doubt of its existence or and severity is still in doubt from larger percentage of the population.

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September 11, 2021, 12:06:27 PM
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That's actually a good thing because that only means that countries are much more serious when it comes to trying to obliterate the pandemic once and for all, the only problem is that the idiot ant-vaxxers that's trying to hinder the progress towards herd immunity.

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September 11, 2021, 12:30:23 PM
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There's no other way around it unfortunately. It's either you get vaccinated and return to work safely, while protecting other people who cannot take it at the moment or be one with those who can take it but chose not to since they believe it's a way for the government to "track" you. The goal of the vaccine is to limit the severity of the disease when you get infected, and to protect other people through herd immunity. While I despise their way of trying to get people vaccinated, part of me thinks this is a necessary step if we want to get our lives back to pre-pandemic state.

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September 11, 2021, 12:48:50 PM
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I am not sure if the post is the incorrect section or should move into Off-Topic.

However, for me, a kind of fear was on my mind always before vaccinations when I went outside for needs. Once got both doses of vaccine then the fear of effect in COVID-19 has been reducing. So it's a good thing if the government mandates vaccinations. But the condition is they have to make sure they can manage vaccines for all the population of the country. If not then it's not useful to give restrictions. It will then just be harassment. I think it's not a problem for developed countries like the USA. But for the poor country still not getting enough vaccines. Even a few developed countries citizens getting booster dose but poor countries citizens haven't got single dose yet.

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September 11, 2021, 01:00:11 PM
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At first, they tried to intimidate people as if it were a plague that would kill half the world, and now when they see how few people actually want to be vaccinated when we talk about developed countries (with some exceptions), and now they have no choice but to to move to the second phase, denial of employment and access to basic human needs such as shops, health facilities, public institutions.

For me, this is insane behavior because it encroaches on basic human freedoms by forcing people to be vaccinated with a drug that by all medical and scientific criteria is still in the experimental phase and its long-term effects are not known.

I'm not surprised by Biden's move, because it's something that has existed in the EU for a long time - let's say the example of my country where the government said that no company that does not have at least 70% of the vaccinated will receive financial support from the state, and Greece, Germany and France are also implementing radical measures to force people to get vaccinated.

Soon the world could be divided into those who are vaccinated and those who are not, and perhaps those who are not vaccinated will have to be publicly marked - it reminds me a bit of the segregation carried out by the Nazis against Jews, or the black population by whites in the US.

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You can always join the rebellion against these tyrants and tell them to go fuck themselves. It is not really that hard.

Dump your big house that eats away half of your monthly income, get a smaller car, eat less and you'll be able to survive through this mess even without a job.

If you want to comply because you don't want to move from your comfort zone, then get ready to be vaxxed forever and end up a genetically modified bio-mess.


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September 11, 2021, 03:27:28 PM
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That's just how it is. The Covid-19 virus is just too powerful for people who doesn't have that much immunity, especially in this era where unhealthy lifestyle is pretty common. I can understand them because If the countries aren't strict with vaccination, there's a chance that another surge of patients would appear. It's not like it's a huge problem though. You still have a choice to either quit your job or get vaccinated and it's not like it's going to be forever because this pandemic will eventually end some day.
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September 11, 2021, 03:53:50 PM
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Before it's not mandatory to have a vaccine. Today, it's almost close to mandatory because a non-vaccinated person is not allowed at some established. There are resorts here in our country that a proof we are vaccinated is necessary requirement.

What do you think of that. Is that a form of discrimination in a legit way? I myself already have a vaccine but that's because it's mandatory to our work. I don't like to be vaccinated.
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September 11, 2021, 04:02:24 PM
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I now see a situation that the world is changing and is coming to a level where if you don't have a covid-19 vaccination clearence or means to verify that you have been vaccinated or have received the latest jab of the vaccine, you won't be allowed to buy or sell. I had in my mind that face mask was going to play this "devil's advocate" but no, the vaccination is getting serious with huge restrictions and therefore looking like it is the devil's advocate.

The government cannot compel its citizens to get vaccinated as it will constitute involuntary servitude, but the former can impose restrictions that would somehow force its citizens to get vaccinated. For example, they could limit the movement of people who are not vaccinated by requiring malls or any other services to show their vaccine cards as proof.

Remember that this pandemic has moved the entire world due to impact of COVID in our health. If the people are against getting vaccinated, they are actually going against Science itself. That is why, the priority of the government would always be our health as this would also impact an economic crisis in the country.

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September 11, 2021, 04:42:58 PM
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Before it's not mandatory to have a vaccine. Today, it's almost close to mandatory because a non-vaccinated person is not allowed at some established. There are resorts here in our country that a proof we are vaccinated is necessary requirement.

What do you think of that. Is that a form of discrimination in a legit way? I myself already have a vaccine but that's because it's mandatory to our work. I don't like to be vaccinated.
Indeed, until now it is still a debate when vaccination becomes a requirement for something and is related to administration,
Actually, the government's goal is good, but it must be realized that it is not easy to change someone who initially does not want to be vaccinated into one who wants to be vaccinated.

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September 11, 2021, 04:53:10 PM
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Let's put the propaganda aside for a moment and focus on the positive consequences. The government's job is to ensure that every citizen is secure and properly protected; they don't want one person's life to risk another's, which is why they want you and me to get vaccinated so that everyone is safe.
The difficulty I'm having with this vaccination is the method of administration; I still don't like the notion of injections. I don't want any fluid generated from anywhere in my body system, and the problem of side effects is still being ignored; I wouldn't take any vacation if it isn't addressed, and I can't take a vaccination that will make me sick at the end of the day.
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September 11, 2021, 05:15:37 PM
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That's actually a good thing because that only means that countries are much more serious when it comes to trying to obliterate the pandemic once and for all, the only problem is that the idiot ant-vaxxers that's trying to hinder the progress towards herd immunity.
The issue is not as simple as you make it out to be, this is a classic case of individual rights and what society expects out of you, I have taken the vaccine and I would appreciate if the majority took the vaccine as well, but if you force people to take the vaccine then you are trampling on their rights, so the question is as what point society can do something like this and void the right to decide that people have over their own bodies? And this is not by any means an easy debate to have.
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September 11, 2021, 05:23:44 PM
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I now see a situation that the world is changing and is coming to a level where if you don't have a covid-19 vaccination clearence or means to verify that you have been vaccinated or have received the latest jab of the vaccine, you won't be allowed to buy or sell. I had in my mind that face mask was going to play this "devil's advocate" but no, the vaccination is getting serious with huge restrictions and therefore looking like it is the devil's advocate.

Apart from the many countries that have been making public statement about the need and compulsory nature of taking the vaccine, I heard in the news barely 24 hours ago about America making it mandatory for big company owners to be vaccinated and show a prove of vaccination of their employees. This is more serious with America taking such steps to ensure compliance , more countries will follow this direction and gradually it will get to smaller businesses, SMEs and then to restrictions on entering banks, malls, fuels stations and etc which will replace face mask. Covid-19 Vaccination is becoming a serious phenomenon and even in Africa and Nigeria, it has started gaining grounds even as the doubt of its existence or and severity is still in doubt from larger percentage of the population.

It was almost inevitable from the start and how it should be really. Unless you have a medical reason for avoiding the vaccination, you are making the solution harder to achieve - which is wiping out the virus by preventing the spread. It will take a long time and likely many mutations, but eventually enough people will have built up an immune defense that hopefully the virus will eventually come to an evolutionary dead end. Right now the toughest challenge is getting the poorest countries vaccinated quickly because they are the most densely populated areas and prone to causing mutant variations due to the environment. There needs to be a final push by richer countries to donate vaccines, because until everyone is safe - no one is safe.

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September 11, 2021, 08:54:29 PM
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Well, everything is very complicated with Covid-19 and vaccinations against it. There are too many questions and no answers on them. Governments just make an across-the-board vaccination of everyone. But, why they vaccinate people that easily suffered the disease and get immunity? Why they vaccinate people that hardly suffered the disease and finally get  immunity? Why they vaccinate people that were sick without symptoms? Why they vaccinate people that have positive IGg tests (IgG antibodies remain in the blood after an infection has passed. These antibodies indicate that you may have had COVID-19 in the recent past and have developed antibodies that may protect you from future infection.)? Why this entire people also need to be vaccinated? I don’t understand. I don’t mind vaccination but not in the way they do it. This way seems strange that’s why cause very diverse thoughts especially among conspiracy theorists.
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I now see a situation that the world is changing and is coming to a level where if you don't have a covid-19 vaccination clearence or means to verify that you have been vaccinated or have received the latest jab of the vaccine, you won't be allowed to buy or sell. I had in my mind that face mask was going to play this "devil's advocate" but no, the vaccination is getting serious with huge restrictions and therefore looking like it is the devil's advocate.

Apart from the many countries that have been making public statement about the need and compulsory nature of taking the vaccine, I heard in the news barely 24 hours ago about America making it mandatory for big company owners to be vaccinated and show a prove of vaccination of their employees. This is more serious with America taking such steps to ensure compliance , more countries will follow this direction and gradually it will get to smaller businesses, SMEs and then to restrictions on entering banks, malls, fuels stations and etc which will replace face mask. Covid-19 Vaccination is becoming a serious phenomenon and even in Africa and Nigeria, it has started gaining grounds even as the doubt of its existence or and severity is still in doubt from larger percentage of the population.

It was almost inevitable from the start and how it should be really. Unless you have a medical reason for avoiding the vaccination, you are making the solution harder to achieve - which is wiping out the virus by preventing the spread. It will take a long time and likely many mutations, but eventually enough people will have built up an immune defense that hopefully the virus will eventually come to an evolutionary dead end. Right now the toughest challenge is getting the poorest countries vaccinated quickly because they are the most densely populated areas and prone to causing mutant variations due to the environment. There needs to be a final push by richer countries to donate vaccines, because until everyone is safe - no one is safe.
Even in my country, covid-19 vaccines run out easily so that is why individuals are always encouraged to get vaccinated before all the supplies will be totally gone. But there are still group of people who have been hard headed not to take the vaccine due to their unreasonable alibis. So even if most of the citizens are vaccinated, still the environment is not totally safe unless all the people decide to get vaccinated.

There are news coming out that vaccines in the future will be the criteria already if you can go outside your house or better yet stay at home. If you are fully vaccinated, then you are free to go to the malls,banks and parks, but if you are not fully vaccinated, then you are not allowed to go anywhere.

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It is very frustrating for me to see that government and some companies monopolizing people thru required vaccination. This Covid will make the whole earth put in poverty. First it penalized the economy and lessen the salary. People are dying from the virus and debts are growing fast.

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That's actually a good thing because that only means that countries are much more serious when it comes to trying to obliterate the pandemic once and for all, the only problem is that the idiot ant-vaxxers that's trying to hinder the progress towards herd immunity.
The issue is not as simple as you make it out to be, this is a classic case of individual rights and what society expects out of you, I have taken the vaccine and I would appreciate if the majority took the vaccine as well, but if you force people to take the vaccine then you are trampling on their rights, so the question is as what point society can do something like this and void the right to decide that people have over their own bodies? And this is not by any means an easy debate to have.
Well forcing someone to get vaccinated is already depriving them from their human right. The government is really serious in encouraging everyone to get vaccinated so that the disease will be prevented from spreading it but it does not stated in the law that it is mandatory and so everyone should comply.

However, with the latest implementations from the government, vaccine becomes a criteria to live in the world and those who can enjoy it and those who can't. So it is becoming unfair now to those who don't want to take the vaccine although its really necessary to get vaccinated as to stay away from the deadly virus.

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In my country Venezuela, the Covid19 vaccine is mandatory to travel from one state to another. I do not know of another restriction if I know of another one at some point I will kindly update my comment with another post. I have already been vaccinated with my first dose of Sinopharm vaccine, I did not have any unpleasant side reactions just dry mouth.

Guys, we must promote the vaccine. If we do not vaccinate all, the virus will not disappear and we will have the appearance of strains and more dangerous. In addition, our countries are investing a lot of money in vaccines to guarantee our health.

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In my country Venezuela, the Covid19 vaccine is mandatory to travel from one state to another. I do not know of another restriction if I know of another one at some point I will kindly update my comment with another post. I have already been vaccinated with my first dose of Sinopharm vaccine, I did not have any unpleasant side reactions just dry mouth.

Guys, we must promote the vaccine. If we do not vaccinate all, the virus will not disappear and we will have the appearance of strains and more dangerous. In addition, our countries are investing a lot of money in vaccines to guarantee our health.

Some governments are making it as mandatory, as they think this is the only way to contain further infection. Without achieving high percentage of immunity, the population is at stake. And with varying variants that are coming out, being vaccinated is one good option to develop immunity. And I believe, the government has somehow valid point on this. But it still depends on the person himself if he wants to or not, because that's his body.
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They choose to make it the hard way, creating castigatory measures on the few that refuse to get vaccinated.
Well, i don't really know how safe it is to get vaccinated because people that had gotten vaccinated the last time posted videos clips on how piece of iron or metallic materials magnets to their skin .sounds awkward right Huh
Maybe it has some kinda chip in there,who knows
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In my country Venezuela, the Covid19 vaccine is mandatory to travel from one state to another. I do not know of another restriction if I know of another one at some point I will kindly update my comment with another post. I have already been vaccinated with my first dose of Sinopharm vaccine, I did not have any unpleasant side reactions just dry mouth.

Guys, we must promote the vaccine. If we do not vaccinate all, the virus will not disappear and we will have the appearance of strains and more dangerous. In addition, our countries are investing a lot of money in vaccines to guarantee our health.

Some governments are making it as mandatory, as they think this is the only way to contain further infection. Without achieving high percentage of immunity, the population is at stake. And with varying variants that are coming out, being vaccinated is one good option to develop immunity. And I believe, the government has somehow valid point on this. But it still depends on the person himself if he wants to or not, because that's his body.

I have to admit that currently the way to fight COVID-19 with vaccination is mandatory, because it is not enough to just follow health protocols.
Moreover, with the increasing number of variants of this virus, it is very natural that in the end some countries vaccination becomes mandatory.
But indeed on the one hand we must respect those who refuse to be vaccinated, because I agree that there should be no coercion to vaccinate.
If there are people who refuse the vaccine, it is enough to provide education and their movement is limited,  they are not allowed to do too many
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I have to admit that currently the way to fight COVID-19 with vaccination is mandatory, because it is not enough to just follow health protocols.
Moreover, with the increasing number of variants of this virus, it is very natural that in the end some countries vaccination becomes mandatory.
But indeed on the one hand we must respect those who refuse to be vaccinated, because I agree that there should be no coercion to vaccinate.
If there are people who refuse the vaccine, it is enough to provide education and their movement is limited,  they are not allowed to do too many
activities outside the home.

It is a very complex topic. Obviously we should respect the decision of those who refuse to get vaccinated. But at the same time, we need to remember that those who refuse to get vaccinated are not only putting their lives in danger, but also endangering others lives as well. So this presents a very uncomfortable question on whether we should tolerate these anti-vaxxers among ourselves. The fact is that this pandemic would have been under control by now, if vaccination was being made mandatory. That was not done and the freedom to choose was given to individuals. But that is costing lives now.

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It is a very complex topic. Obviously we should respect the decision of those who refuse to get vaccinated. But at the same time, we need to remember that those who refuse to get vaccinated are not only putting their lives in danger, but also endangering others lives as well. So this presents a very uncomfortable question on whether we should tolerate these anti-vaxxers among ourselves. The fact is that this pandemic would have been under control by now, if vaccination was being made mandatory. That was not done and the freedom to choose was given to individuals. But that is costing lives now.

Actually it is hard to decide for yourself if you really wanna go got vaccinated or not because of the reported side effect of the vaccine however it is also understandable that the government will going to implement such rules of mandatory vaccination to their respective constituents because of the increasing variants arises. We do have a freedom to choose whether we like it or not but at the end of the day we would only end up on the thought that the risk will not only our life but also the life of the people around us.
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Soon the world could be divided into those who are vaccinated and those who are not, and perhaps those who are not vaccinated will have to be publicly marked - it reminds me a bit of the segregation carried out by the Nazis against Jews, or the black population by whites in the US.
First of all, thank you Lucius for that great input.
I am not against vaccination but I am against those governments that will try to harm their countrymen's emotions just because they are not yet vaccinated and will put ground into where they could be/go for that reason.
1. Did they really reach every human being living in their country?
2. Are vaccines at 95-100% without side effects long-term. Because I still see people having doubts about it because family relatives and friends experience that causes death.
You only see this kind of act in movies and tv series, separating the infected zombie from the non-infected.  Grin
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The vaccination discrimination was pretty much expected.
I don't trust the vaccines(I'm not anti-vaxxer),but if the government forces me to vaccinate,I will have to do it.The vaccines have to be tested for at least 10 years to ensure that there aren't any long term side effects.
I'm glad that there's no such thing as vaccination discrimination in the country where I live and the vaccination here will remain voluntary.I've had COVID symptoms back in March,so I guess that I have natural immunity for a while.
I don't believe that non-vaccinated people will be stopped from buying and selling.This is a violation of basic human rights.

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If you want to build a herd immunity then probably you should know that it's the best thing to do, having everyone vaccinated so the vulnerable population that wasn't vaccinated yet will be protected because no one gets infected because of the vaccines and the virus having no way to be transferred to other people.
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September 12, 2021, 08:51:58 AM
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Actually covid19 vaccine have to be compulsory because without be vaccinated their is every tendency that immune system of the person will be easily being attractive to a person or environment that such virus is been dwell or circulating, in some extent everyone suppose to admit the system of taking covid19 vaccine to avoid massive death and lost of opportunities, currently i know that government is right if actually they are making it compulsory because i have not come across of such information that if you don't have covid19 vaccine you won't be able sell or buy, even associating with people in public place.

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September 12, 2021, 09:19:56 AM
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Yes, I believe so. In our country, the government claims that vaccination is not required because not everyone wants to be vaccinated. However, the problem is that the private sector, which the government cannot control because it is their policy that all workers must be vaccinated. I am vaccinated, but there has been a lot of news that if you want to apply for a job, you must be vaccinated, so it is still forcing people to get vaccinated even if they don't want to.
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September 12, 2021, 09:22:39 AM
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I know that some people don't like getting vaccines and all but good grief, this isn't some random vaccine for Polio or something, it's for a freaking pandemic virus. So if you all reading this do the world a favor and get your jab (and ignore everything CDC, FDA, and your most hated left-wing media outlet are saying about it if you don't like it), you'll make restrictions eventually go away.

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September 12, 2021, 10:39:33 AM
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There are workers and seamen here in our country who are going abroad to work but they need a COVID vaccine clearance and not just a vaccine but the approved vaccine from the country where they are going to work and some of these countries requires Moderna and Pfizer vaccine you cannot work abroad with other vaccines, we are now going to live with additional criteria in our identification and that is vaccine ID.
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September 12, 2021, 12:01:14 PM
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There are workers and seamen here in our country who are going abroad to work but they need a COVID vaccine clearance and not just a vaccine but the approved vaccine from the country where they are going to work and some of these countries requires Moderna and Pfizer vaccine you cannot work abroad with other vaccines, we are now going to live with additional criteria in our identification and that is vaccine ID.

Now this is a big issue. The WHO is delaying the clearance of many of the vaccines, in order to help the Chinese manufacturers. Here in India we have a brand called Covaxin, which had published the Phase III clinical trial data many months back. The WHO has refused to certify this vaccine. The same goes for Sputnik V and some of the other vaccines. So if someone has to travel abroad, he needs to undergo vaccination again with the useless Chinese vaccines or the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines which require booster shots every 6 months.
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September 12, 2021, 12:11:24 PM
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Covid-19 make a new change in the whole world and society. People can not go to a public area without wearing a mask. The government uses a strict rule for their people who want to go to other city and some countries use a letter of vaccines as the term and conditions so their people will allow traveling. People are using social distancing when they meet other people they do not know and will not easily shake hands if they do not know that person. Maybe it is what we will see in the future as the Covid-19 can easily mutate to a new virus that can shadow our lives without knowing when this virus will end.

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September 12, 2021, 12:23:51 PM
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Covid-19 has become the new Fear mongering tool for governments to restrict citizens freedom and movement. If you do not get the Clotshot, you will not be allowed to do this or that .... or .... if you do not take the Devil's Juice, you will not be able to keep your job.

This is done, because of Money : The government want to eradicate Covid-19, because they are losing tax income from companies that are closing due to forced Lockdowns. The taxes are used to pay their Salary and they also need the taxes to allocate tenders to projects where they get kickbacks and bribes. (Some of these bribes are coming from Big Pharma too for all the "Free" vaccines that are bought with taxpayers money)  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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September 12, 2021, 01:05:25 PM
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The government want to eradicate Covid-19, because they are losing tax income from companies that are closing due to forced Lockdowns.

This virus is not something that can be eradicated, at least not from what is known today - it will still survive in a way that it will mutate into who knows how many more variants that will become more resistant to existing vaccines. In other words, the fire cannot be extinguished, it can only be kept under control - everything else is lies and deceptions used to produce fear - because they have to scare us with something now that there are no more terrorists.

Officially, 4 640 692 people have died from the virus since the beginning of the pandemic, which is a really large number - but what about other diseases that kill people in even greater numbers, and almost no one mentions them?

- Cancer killed nearly 10 million people in 2020

There were an estimated 19.3 million new cases (18.1 million excluding NMSC, except basal cell carcinoma) and 10 million cancer deaths (9.9 million excluding NMSC, except basal cell carcinoma) worldwide in 2020

- AIDS is responsible for nearly 700 000 deaths

680 000 [480 000–1.0 million] people died from AIDS-related illnesses in 2020.

Tens of millions die from other diseases every year, so there is no panic, so all this really looks like nothing more than an attempt to put the world under as much control as possible, and for big pharmaceutical companies to make as much money as possible.

The world’s biggest killer is ischaemic heart disease, responsible for 16% of the world’s total deaths. Since 2000, the largest increase in deaths has been for this disease, rising by more than 2 million to 8.9 million deaths in 2019. Stroke and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease are the 2nd and 3rd leading causes of death, responsible for approximately 11% and 6% of total deaths respectively.

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September 12, 2021, 01:51:28 PM
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Covid-19 has become the new Fear mongering tool for governments to restrict citizens freedom and movement. If you do not get the Clotshot, you will not be allowed to do this or that .... or .... if you do not take the Devil's Juice, you will not be able to keep your job.

This is done, because of Money : The government want to eradicate Covid-19, because they are losing tax income from companies that are closing due to forced Lockdowns. The taxes are used to pay their Salary and they also need the taxes to allocate tenders to projects where they get kickbacks and bribes. (Some of these bribes are coming from Big Pharma too for all the "Free" vaccines that are bought with taxpayers money)  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Close to 10 million people have died from the pandemic (4.6 million as per official figures), and you are claiming that the government is just engaging in fear mongering? And as far as I know, it is not mandatory in any of the countries to get vaccinated. It is your choice, whether you want to get inoculated or not. But then, if you don't want to get vaccinated, you can't demand that you should be treated the same way as authorities treat vaccinated people. Because you are a danger to others around you.
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September 12, 2021, 02:04:03 PM
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The Covid-19 vaccine is becoming the standard of living in the world because in the beginning everything was closed, but this vaccine is opening up everything through its effectiveness and people are able to improve their standard of living through activities. That is why all people are receiving vaccines and believing the government should take up these activities responsibly and realize the gap between rural and urban areas very quickly and achieve the objective of the vaccination program. If this can be done we can very quickly protect the health of the people from the terrible clutches of the corona at least for a while.
We don't know very well what the coronavirus vaccine is made of, and what sometimes gets into the media is shocking. One thing is clear: a vaccine can change human DNA and make us mutants. There is information that it was spread and they are feeding us with these vaccinations in order to significantly reduce the population of the planet by dramatically reducing their immunity.
Time will tell whether it is so or not. However, I don’t remember ever so massively and stubbornly scaring us with the virus and so detailed every day in the details of the fight against it, as well as applied such strict measures of restriction. At the same time, the actual mortality rate from it is not so great, even seasonal colds sometimes lead to more significant casualties.

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September 12, 2021, 02:56:22 PM
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But then, if you don't want to get vaccinated, you can't demand that you should be treated the same way as authorities treat vaccinated people. Because you are a danger to others around you.

Vaccinated people on average have about 50% less chance of getting infected if we take some average of all vaccines on the market. But those who become infected (and are vaccinated) pose the same danger to everyone else as those who are not vaccinated because they have been scientifically proven to produce the same amounts of the virus regardless of the vaccine they received.

Consequently, vaccinated people are no less dangerous when it comes to spreading the infection - quite the opposite, because they begin to believe that nothing can happen to them, and they stop wearing masks. You have the completely wrong impression that politicians create when they talk about vaccination as some kind of ultimate protection.

Now, reports from various countries seem to confirm what scientists feared after the variant tore through India with alarming speed in April and May: Delta is more likely than other variants to spread through vaccinated people. Data from COVID-19 tests in the United States, the United Kingdom and Singapore are showing that vaccinated people who become infected with Delta SARS-CoV-2 can carry as much virus in their nose as do unvaccinated people. This means that despite the protection offered by vaccines, a proportion of vaccinated people can pass on Delta, possibly aiding its rise.

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The Covid-19 vaccine is becoming the standard of living in the world because in the beginning everything was closed, but this vaccine is opening up everything through its effectiveness and people are able to improve their standard of living through activities. That is why all people are receiving vaccines and believing the government should take up these activities responsibly and realize the gap between rural and urban areas very quickly and achieve the objective of the vaccination program. If this can be done we can very quickly protect the health of the people from the terrible clutches of the corona at least for a while.
We don't know very well what the coronavirus vaccine is made of, and what sometimes gets into the media is shocking. One thing is clear: a vaccine can change human DNA and make us mutants. There is information that it was spread and they are feeding us with these vaccinations in order to significantly reduce the population of the planet by dramatically reducing their immunity.
Time will tell whether it is so or not. However, I don’t remember ever so massively and stubbornly scaring us with the virus and so detailed every day in the details of the fight against it, as well as applied such strict measures of restriction. At the same time, the actual mortality rate from it is not so great, even seasonal colds sometimes lead to more significant casualties.

And where did you here that? also that means you believe on humor?

Well if that's the case then come on men we are grown up man and we supposed to know about which is right or wrong to many medical experts and virologist already tell that vaccine is safe, they even conduct phase 1 to 3 test to different groups of people around the world just to make sure that they are providing the humanity a good working vaccine that can end up this pandemic. But look what happen there are still people believe on hoax and discredit the experts who work with the said vaccine. Trust the science there are people using this hoax and other fake news for there own political agenda so think smart for your own safety listen to your doctor and to your government who's working hard to acquired the herd immunity in their country.

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I now see a situation that the world is changing and is coming to a level where if you don't have a covid-19 vaccination clearence or means to verify that you have been vaccinated or have received the latest jab of the vaccine, you won't be allowed to buy or sell. I had in my mind that face mask was going to play this "devil's advocate" but no, the vaccination is getting serious with huge restrictions and therefore looking like it is the devil's advocate.

Apart from the many countries that have been making public statement about the need and compulsory nature of taking the vaccine, I heard in the news barely 24 hours ago about America making it mandatory for big company owners to be vaccinated and show a prove of vaccination of their employees. This is more serious with America taking such steps to ensure compliance , more countries will follow this direction and gradually it will get to smaller businesses, SMEs and then to restrictions on entering banks, malls, fuels stations and etc which will replace face mask. Covid-19 Vaccination is becoming a serious phenomenon and even in Africa and Nigeria, it has started gaining grounds even as the doubt of its existence or and severity is still in doubt from larger percentage of the population.

Not just that but students are also supposed to get vaccinated in the big universities before you can go out and get anything done, it's essential for classes as well, there are employees, students, teachers all getting dragged into getting not even the best one available. The government is running camps and giving people Chinese vaccine which is barely fitting the criterion.

I do understand that vaccination is absolutely essential but at the same time people should have a say in this for sure hands down. They should have more options and at the same time they should be given proper time and care. It just feels like government is just rushing right now, trying to achieve the 100% vaccination mark.

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I'm also concerned about this unreasonable obligation, humans don't seem to have rights anymore
In our country all employees are required to be vaccinated, if they are not vaccinated, they cannot get a job or are fired

I have received a second vaccine shot, I did all of that because I was afraid of being fired by my boss
in the future I don't know what will happen to those who are not vaccinated, whether the vaccine card is valid for a long time

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I already said that a few months ago when there were people talking about the vaccine that soon the governments who produce more vaccines and do more vaccination will become great world powers since that's about the importance and about death and life of people, this should be important to do vaccination faster in any country, however, Unfortunately, some governments care about money and their power more than the people lives. I was expecting to see the vaccination of each country make effects on the economy of that country and that is obviously happening now.

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September 12, 2021, 05:32:14 PM
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In our country all employees are required to be vaccinated, if they are not vaccinated, they cannot get a job or are fired
I have just finished the first dose of Astra vaccine, in my country it is not clear whether vaccination is compulsory or not, but we consider this as a guarantee to protect the health of individuals and communities.  The company that I work for considers it the consciousness of its employees.  It is not only a criterion but more importantly an obligation and responsibility for the risks that may arise from the huge consequences of covid19.

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The truth of this whole issue of COVID-19 and vaccination is that people did die from this disease that could have been easily contained if people had just believe it dos exist from the get go and took prevention methods to avoid getting infected. Now a vaccine has been produced, let's take away all the sentiment and propaganda been spreed but if this vaccine is the only defense against getting infected if the pandemic was to return then I won't mind getting vaccinated.

But when you look at the way it's been done then you begin ti think something else is happening at the background that the government don't want us to know. Why force it in people when you're in a democratic world, there are only ways to go about and by simply enlightening the citizens, they'll adhere to the advice and get vaccinated.

With force come resistance, so when you begin to force the vaccination on  people do expect to get some retaliations and that's what's happening currently. I just wish people see the usefulness of this decision by the government and get vaccinated. The government aren't always wrong you know just that something they don't do things the right way.

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September 12, 2021, 06:52:31 PM
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The way this statement is worded made it seem like it was a bad thing to impose stricter regulations in implementing COVID-19 Vaccine when it was the contrary actually. It must be compulsory to be vaccinated because it's not only your life that you are endangering when you go out in public without protective gears and vaccine, you're endangering other people's lives, the economy, and the world altogether. In reality a much stricter COVID-19 vaccine imposition is needed in order to rollout the safety of the public at a much higher efficacy.
The truth of this whole issue of COVID-19 and vaccination is that people did die from this disease that could have been easily contained if people had just believe it dos exist from the get go and took prevention methods to avoid getting infected. Now a vaccine has been produced, let's take away all the sentiment and propaganda been spreed but if this vaccine is the only defense against getting infected if the pandemic was to return then I won't mind getting vaccinated.

But when you look at the way it's been done then you begin ti think something else is happening at the background that the government don't want us to know. Why force it in people when you're in a democratic world, there are only ways to go about and by simply enlightening the citizens, they'll adhere to the advice and get vaccinated.

With force come resistance, so when you begin to force the vaccination on  people do expect to get some retaliations and that's what's happening currently. I just wish people see the usefulness of this decision by the government and get vaccinated. The government aren't always wrong you know just that something they don't do things the right way.
Forcing it is the only way you can get people to listen, with the amount of antivaxxer rallies , campaigns and COVID-19 deniers on TV that had already spread their lies and misinformation amongst the public, a simple information campaign will not cut it. You are right, this wouldn't have happened if people listened from the get-go, but reality is often disappointing, so here we are being forced to be vaccinated in order to ensure the safety of the public and the future generations to come.



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September 12, 2021, 06:53:07 PM
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I already said that a few months ago when there were people talking about the vaccine that soon the governments who produce more vaccines and do more vaccination will become great world powers since that's about the importance and about death and life of people, this should be important to do vaccination faster in any country, however, Unfortunately, some governments care about money and their power more than the people lives. I was expecting to see the vaccination of each country make effects on the economy of that country and that is obviously happening now.
Everything wont seem work as it should be and there would be countries whose government would really just mind on that manner and without minding much on what are their primary motives on why vaccines do exist
on the first place.

Some of countries do really make it as a business instead and tending out to corrupt which is really awful.For now vaccination is mainly been pushed for all of the citizens would really be given a shot but not all would really
be that confident on doing so.

Criteria? No one would able to force you unless if they do find ways specially of prohibiting on visiting out places or limit out some service for non-vaccinated person just like here
on my place which would leave you no choice.
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The world may be divided with vaccinated and non-vaccinated while only those who have done their vaccination will only be able to get inside the mall, banks or any establishment. Vaccine these days is still in a trial and error phase so it should be logical that most people would not want to get vaccinated yet because there are some cases this will lead someone to death instead of preventing from getting COVID-19. That's why most people are divided with anti-vaxxer and the vaccinated ones.

I wonder what more will be coming in the future since this pandemic is most likely won't come off until next year since the virus itself is fast mutating into a different variants. So a vaccine might need to be updated too since it's still in a trial and error phase.

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Sad but true, though the government assures that vaccination is not compulsory if we look at the establishment, they will require a vaccination card before you can enter the place as it's the standard set by the owners. How would anyone enjoy freedom if that's the rule? the government did not directly say it's compulsory but in reality, it is, I'm expressing my opinion based on my experience in our country.

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September 12, 2021, 09:30:16 PM
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This is more serious with America taking such steps to ensure compliance , more countries will follow this direction and gradually it will get to smaller businesses, SMEs and then to restrictions on entering banks, malls, fuels stations and etc which will replace face mask.
I don't think it's going to go that far in the US, though I wouldn't rule anything out with Biden as president.  But yeah, government employees and a lot of other people are going to either have to get vaccinated or submit to weekly testing.  Don't forget about that latter part, because at present it's an option for those who don't want the vaccine.

The good thing is that this is being challenged in the media and (hopefully) in the courts.  The bad thing is that there is a legal precedent for the government mandating vaccination, dating back to 1905 if I've got my date correct.  That was to prevent the spread of smallpox, and if I were living back then I'd get the vaccination with no hesitation.  Smallpox is no joke--but COVID?  The fact is that most people who get it have mild symptoms and recover just fine.  The severity of COVID infection is nowhere near that of smallpox.

The world may be divided with vaccinated and non-vaccinated while only those who have done their vaccination will only be able to get inside the mall, banks or any establishment.
Where is that currently happening?  It sure isn't in the US.  Hell, most people don't even visit malls anymore, so I wouldn't worry about that.  And banking can easily be done online.  It's the requirement for employment that's a bitch, IMO.

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Sad but true, though the government assures that vaccination is not compulsory if we look at the establishment, they will require a vaccination card before you can enter the place as it's the standard set by the owners. How would anyone enjoy freedom if that's the rule? the government did not directly say it's compulsory but in reality, it is, I'm expressing my opinion based on my experience in our country.
I can truly attest to that because that's already happening in our country too. Even when it comes to public vehicles and services, passengers are required to show their vaccination card and a negative result of rapid antigen test particularly if you came from other municipalities or cities. We cannot longer enjoy our lives with this kind of governance as if those who are not vaccinated are being deprived from our privileges.

I get much affected with this type of government because i am not yet vaccinated, so other people who are fully vaccinated are acting like they want to avoid those non vaccinated ones. This is the sad reality of what is happening now.

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September 12, 2021, 11:10:36 PM
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Forcing it is the only way you can get people to listen,

And how has to worked out so far? Aren't we getting protest from the citizens instead of listening. The forcing makes it look like there are other propaganda been pushed by the government and conspiracy theories are spreading all over the internet daily and this is also discouraging people from getting vaccinated.  

I see conspiracy theories of the government putting chips to control the minds of vaccinated citizens and the mark of the breast from the bible theories etc. I even see video of users that are vaccinated putting phones and other metallic material on the spot they got vaccinated and it gets magnetized, what about the bill gates conspiracy theories (lets not just go there).

All this won't have played out if the government had just gone easy on the citizens, I understand that the pandemic was disastrous to every county's economy and the government are trying to prevent that from happening again but enforcing rules on humans like a dictator has not always been the best way to go about things.

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In our country all employees are required to be vaccinated, if they are not vaccinated, they cannot get a job or are fired
I have just finished the first dose of Astra vaccine, in my country it is not clear whether vaccination is compulsory or not, but we consider this as a guarantee to protect the health of individuals and communities.  The company that I work for considers it the consciousness of its employees.  It is not only a criterion but more importantly an obligation and responsibility for the risks that may arise from the huge consequences of covid19.
my first injection was Sinovac then the second one was AstraZeneca
the effect that arises from the Astra injection is very strong compared to Sinovac even I have a fever 1 day after receiving the Astra injection

We certainly hope that the effects on our bodies in the future don't exist and hopefully the issues that are developing about genetic change don't happen so that our lives can return to normal

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September 12, 2021, 11:59:14 PM
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Forcing it is the only way you can get people to listen,
And how has to worked out so far? Aren't we getting protest from the citizens instead of listening. The forcing makes it look like there are other propaganda been pushed by the government and conspiracy theories are spreading all over the internet daily and this is also discouraging people from getting vaccinated.  
I see conspiracy theories of the government putting chips to control the minds of vaccinated citizens and the mark of the breast from the bible theories etc. I even see video of users that are vaccinated putting phones and other metallic material on the spot they got vaccinated and it gets magnetized, what about the bill gates conspiracy theories (lets not just go there).
All this won't have played out if the government had just gone easy on the citizens, I understand that the pandemic was disastrous to every county's economy and the government are trying to prevent that from happening again but enforcing rules on humans like a dictator has not always been the best way to go about things.
Unfortunately, there are some things that the government may be forced to do even by dictatorial methods. You can propagandize the population to get vaccinated as much as you want and expect consciousness, but it is worth considering the fact that it takes invaluable time and if you do not vaccinate at least two-thirds of the population quickly enough, then we can get a situation where the virus mutates and a version of the virus that is not susceptible to already released vaccines will spread among the population. Conspiracy theories will always circulate among a certain part of the population and there is nothing you can do about it . The most important thing is that these theories do not capture the confidence of the majority of the population, because the psychology of the crowd sometimes leads to disastrous consequences. Therefore, a combination of incentives and a certain amount of coercion is needed if the situation gets out of control.
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My friend living in Canada claims that the country is only accepting citizens with their preferred vaccine brand.  I don't know if that's true but I think it is more of discrimination for me compare to not having a vaccine.

Here in our country, it's now slowly turning into a mandatory requirement in just another way. Not because we are forced to undergo vaccine but requirements for leisure travel for example now requires a vaccination card instead of a test that you are negative. Some establishments are also reported to have that vaccination as a requirement too before entering their place so that their operation will be continuing and no need for temporary close.

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September 13, 2021, 03:29:09 AM
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my first injection was Sinovac then the second one was AstraZeneca
the effect that arises from the Astra injection is very strong compared to Sinovac even I have a fever 1 day after receiving the Astra injection

We certainly hope that the effects on our bodies in the future don't exist and hopefully the issues that are developing about genetic change don't happen so that our lives can return to normal

Sinovac is essentially useless, so I am glad that you went for AstraZeneca. There will be some minor side effect, like fever and body-pain, but that is much better than getting hospitalized with COVID 19. I am surprised by your claim of genetic change. We undergo vaccination every now and then. Vaccination eradicated dreaded diseases such as small pox and polio. Apart from few unfounded rumors, there have been no reports of serious side effects from these vaccines. A few cartels are spreading misinformation about the vaccines, and that is it.

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i took part in a demonstration against the "covid passport" in my country....how can we all live comfortably if the latest requirement to enter work, travel or go to the mall is to have a vaccine card?  The crisis we are experiencing is really serious, succeed or not together we must reject things that limit our human rights as human beings, especially in this pandemic period.
I understand why the government is eager for everyone to get vaccinated, it can protect us from illness not only from covid. But they must also respect the rights of people to refuse to get vaccinated for a certain reason. I got vaccinated (pfizer) already because it is advisable here though it is not mandatory yet. They cant take away the worries of people who are hesitant to get the vaccine especially that there are possible side effects which can complicate your existing illness (if there is).

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my first injection was Sinovac then the second one was AstraZeneca
the effect that arises from the Astra injection is very strong compared to Sinovac even I have a fever 1 day after receiving the Astra injection

I don't know, but is that really okay If you took the 1st dose from different brand and another brand for the 2nd dose? Is that recommended?
I mean this vaccines might contain vital contents that may trigger hidden illnesses.
I'm not sure, I'm not expert. I just want to make sure as I'm about to have my 2nd dose 2 weeks from now and I want the same vaccine brand from my 1st.

Whether we like it or not, the vaccine will soon become compulsory and it will be a requirement when we're traveling or entering a building.
However, people who don't want to get vaccinated can tamper a fake vaccination documents.

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September 13, 2021, 05:50:01 AM
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my first injection was Sinovac then the second one was AstraZeneca
the effect that arises from the Astra injection is very strong compared to Sinovac even I have a fever 1 day after receiving the Astra injection

We certainly hope that the effects on our bodies in the future don't exist and hopefully the issues that are developing about genetic change don't happen so that our lives can return to normal

Sinovac is essentially useless, so I am glad that you went for AstraZeneca. There will be some minor side effect, like fever and body-pain, but that is much better than getting hospitalized with COVID 19. I am surprised by your claim of genetic change. We undergo vaccination every now and then. Vaccination eradicated dreaded diseases such as small pox and polio. Apart from few unfounded rumors, there have been no reports of serious side effects from these vaccines. A few cartels are spreading misinformation about the vaccines, and that is it.
Regarding vaccines, especially Sinovac, why do you say that it's useless because honestly I don't know much about the vaccine.
what I know is that the side effects of getting vaccinated are just like a normal fever and that seems normal so there's no need to worry,
What is clear is that we should not easily believe the information circulating out there regarding vaccines

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September 13, 2021, 06:05:17 AM
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I now see a situation that the world is changing and is coming to a level where if you don't have a covid-19 vaccination clearence or means to verify that you have been vaccinated or have received the latest jab of the vaccine, you won't be allowed to buy or sell.


Many Economies of countries in the world barely survived the pandemic, countries were thrown into debt from borrowing from the international community to build large quarantine centers, get ventilators which were in a limited supply, get medical kits, and even the cost of treating one infected citizen. Because having the covid virus makes you not just a danger to yourself but the public, the decision to be vaccinated has to be mandatory.

Most people that have not had any of the vaccines have not had a strong reason to, that's why they are being hypocrites of some sorts.

Imagine getting your dream job or finally getting a visa to go to your dream country and its a strong criteria to have been vaccinated or have had at least a shot?

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September 13, 2021, 06:20:38 AM
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Regarding vaccines, especially Sinovac, why do you say that it's useless because honestly I don't know much about the vaccine.
what I know is that the side effects of getting vaccinated are just like a normal fever and that seems normal so there's no need to worry,
What is clear is that we should not easily believe the information circulating out there regarding vaccines

Even I don't have a good opinion about Sinovac, because the countries that used these vaccine have witnessed huge spikes in new infections. Many of these countries, such as Turkey and Chile are now offering booster shots with another vaccine (AstraZeneca or Pfizer) to improve the protection level. That said, I have to admit that getting vaccinated with Sinovac is much better than staying unvaccinated. And right now Sinovac seems to be the only brand which can maintain large supplies without interruption.
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September 13, 2021, 06:37:24 AM
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i took part in a demonstration against the "covid passport" in my country....how can we all live comfortably if the latest requirement to enter work, travel or go to the mall is to have a vaccine card?  The crisis we are experiencing is really serious, succeed or not together we must reject things that limit our human rights as human beings, especially in this pandemic period.

Of course this makes it difficult for everyone, the covid passport is not effective to prevent us from the covid virus, I'm afraid the covid passport is used as a business and political tool to regulate our freedom, of course we have to oppose restrictive rules such as the application of the covid passport.
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September 13, 2021, 07:27:06 AM
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Some factories and companies need to be vaccinated before you can enter. Some factories are strict and you still need to continue to wear a mask even after you get vaccinated and enter the factory. Protect the health and safety of yourself and others.
Vaccination is also a good thing for all of us. Can strengthen our immunity. After vaccination, you can enter and exit shopping malls or public places at will (even if you don't wear a mask). Vaccination has become a standard.
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September 13, 2021, 08:22:14 AM
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I now see a situation that the world is changing and is coming to a level where if you don't have a covid-19 vaccination clearence or means to verify that you have been vaccinated or have received the latest jab of the vaccine, you won't be allowed to buy or sell. I had in my mind that face mask was going to play this "devil's advocate" but no, the vaccination is getting serious with huge restrictions and therefore looking like it is the devil's advocate.
The idea of vaccination is a good one, but I don’t think it is something that they have to force people to do. Getting vaccinated should be something of choice, you should decide whether you want to do it or not, if you want to do it then you can go ahead and get vaccinated and if not you can leave it. They shouldn’t be forcing anyone to get vaccinated, and more of a lot of people are scared and they don’t trust whether they vaccine is reliable or not and the after effects of it is what you don’t know.

We have heard a lot of bad stories about the vaccines and the kind of effects they had on some people, although I can’t  really say for sure if all those  stories are true or not.
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September 13, 2021, 09:17:08 AM
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Sad but true, though the government assures that vaccination is not compulsory if we look at the establishment, they will require a vaccination card before you can enter the place as it's the standard set by the owners. How would anyone enjoy freedom if that's the rule? the government did not directly say it's compulsory but in reality, it is, I'm expressing my opinion based on my experience in our country.
I can truly attest to that because that's already happening in our country too. Even when it comes to public vehicles and services, passengers are required to show their vaccination card and a negative result of rapid antigen test particularly if you came from other municipalities or cities. We cannot longer enjoy our lives with this kind of governance as if those who are not vaccinated are being deprived from our privileges.

I get much affected with this type of government because i am not yet vaccinated, so other people who are fully vaccinated are acting like they want to avoid those non vaccinated ones. This is the sad reality of what is happening now.

I understand the action of the government, they are just protecting the interest of the majority as no government could serve everyone's interest since as a human, we have different beliefs and principle. Actually, there is some news that vaccines could also destroy the health of some people, and worst they die from it, so most probably that's the fear of people who are still unvaccinated now.

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September 13, 2021, 10:13:05 AM
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I understand why the government is eager for everyone to get vaccinated, it can protect us from illness not only from covid. But they must also respect the rights of people to refuse to get vaccinated for a certain reason. I got vaccinated (pfizer) already because it is advisable here though it is not mandatory yet. They cant take away the worries of people who are hesitant to get the vaccine especially that there are possible side effects which can complicate your existing illness (if there is).
i support vaccination but i don't support mandatory vaccines for all citizens because there are still many who can't get vaccines because they have congenital or other diseases.  if the vaccine card is required how can those who can't get the vaccine do their usual activities!

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Of course this makes it difficult for everyone, the covid passport is not effective to prevent us from the covid virus, I'm afraid the covid passport is used as a business and political tool to regulate our freedom, of course we have to oppose restrictive rules such as the application of the covid passport.
this is also one of our worries during the demonstration, the corruptors take advantage of this loophole to enrich themselves and make it their dirty business.

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September 13, 2021, 11:31:26 AM
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Covid 19 vaccination is necessary not only for oneself but also our family and society. There are some uneducated people in our country who are afraid to get vaccinated. But now they have to show the vaccination card to enter various educational institutions, banks, govt offices. As a result, they have been forced to vaccinate.
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September 13, 2021, 01:35:18 PM
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Covid 19 vaccination is necessary not only for oneself but also our family and society. There are some uneducated people in our country who are afraid to get vaccinated. But now they have to show the vaccination card to enter various educational institutions, banks, govt offices. As a result, they have been forced to vaccinate.

OK.. at least in your country the uneducated people are showing reluctance to get vaccinated. I have heard that in countries like Russia and India, even sections of educated public are staying away from vaccination. There are a lot of rumors circulating around, and this has created fear and uncertainty in the minds of people. In Russia for example, only of the 27% population has got vaccinated, despite they being one of the leading manufacturers of the vaccine. And the mortality has stayed closed to 1,000 per day in the recent months. 
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September 13, 2021, 03:39:42 PM
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Covid 19 vaccination is necessary not only for oneself but also our family and society. There are some uneducated people in our country who are afraid to get vaccinated. But now they have to show the vaccination card to enter various educational institutions, banks, govt offices. As a result, they have been forced to vaccinate.
I think those who refuse to be vaccinated are mostly due to lack of information about vaccination and distrust of vaccines, Worry about side effects and also vaccine production being judged too fast, and various other reasons.
the government or anyone associated with the vaccine program must provide the general public with accessible and reliable means of information, and in addition those who have been vaccinated should recommend to others that vaccination is harmless.

and feel unfair because for those who have not been vaccinated are not allowed to travel anywhere and also to enter anywhere must show a certificate of vaccination and if not then they are not allowed to enter or travel.
and gradually those who refuse to be vaccinated will change their minds and most importantly convince them in any way and also tell in as much detail as possible the safety and benefits of being vaccinated.

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I'm a little confused by this situation. Actually, the vaccine is the right of every human being, so it means that every human being has the right to refuse not to be vaccinated. but most places require visitors to bring a vaccination card, so this is equivalent to forcing someone to receive the vaccine. super markets, tourist attractions, government offices, tourist attractions, and even going to other cities must bring a vaccination certificate.

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The policy aims to make the majority of the community willing to receive vaccines and group immunity can be formed immediately. Now that fake news about vaccines has spread, without such a policy most people would of course refuse to be vaccinated. With this policy of course the pandemic will end soon and the economy will recover soon.

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I'm a little confused by this situation. Actually, the vaccine is the right of every human being, so it means that every human being has the right to refuse not to be vaccinated. but most places require visitors to bring a vaccination card, so this is equivalent to forcing someone to receive the vaccine. super markets, tourist attractions, government offices, tourist attractions, and even going to other cities must bring a vaccination certificate.
Mate, I don't think getting vaccinated is a "choice" anymore given the severity of this virus. You need to understand that by not getting vaccinated you are not only risking your own life but also putting other's life at risk. No doubt, you have the right to suicide by not getting vaccinated but you cannot transmit the virus to others just because of your "choice".

Anyone who is against the vaccination process, please think about it twice, you are not just risking your own life but you might end up transmitting the virus to your loved ones.
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I don't know, but is that really okay If you took the 1st dose from different brand and another brand for the 2nd dose? Is that recommended?
I mean this vaccines might contain vital contents that may trigger hidden illnesses.
I'm not sure, I'm not expert. I just want to make sure as I'm about to have my 2nd dose 2 weeks from now and I want the same vaccine brand from my 1st.
here we cannot choose which vaccine to inject, everything is regulated by the government and simultaneously carried out
wave 1 = Sinovac and second wave = Astra. even those who got the third injection (for health workers) got the Moderna vaccine

Whether we like it or not, the vaccine will soon become compulsory and it will be a requirement when we're traveling or entering a building.
However, people who don't want to get vaccinated can tamper a fake vaccination documents.
Several forgeries of vaccine certificates have been arrested, the government here uses a tool such as a barcode scan and it is clearly stated whether the vaccine certificate is fake or genuine

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I have to admit that currently the way to fight COVID-19 with vaccination is mandatory, because it is not enough to just follow health protocols.
Moreover, with the increasing number of variants of this virus, it is very natural that in the end some countries vaccination becomes mandatory.
But indeed on the one hand we must respect those who refuse to be vaccinated, because I agree that there should be no coercion to vaccinate.
If there are people who refuse the vaccine, it is enough to provide education and their movement is limited,  they are not allowed to do too many
activities outside the home.
It is a very complex topic. Obviously we should respect the decision of those who refuse to get vaccinated. But at the same time, we need to remember that those who refuse to get vaccinated are not only putting their lives in danger, but also endangering others lives as well. So this presents a very uncomfortable question on whether we should tolerate these anti-vaxxers among ourselves. The fact is that this pandemic would have been under control by now, if vaccination was being made mandatory. That was not done and the freedom to choose was given to individuals. But that is costing lives now.

Moreover, in countries with high vaccination percentages, it is proven that the spread of the virus is more controlled. This means that vaccination
must indeed be required by the government,  it seems that the government has to make difficult decisions for the safety of all its citizens.
As you said, a person who refuses to vaccinate can be a danger to himself and others around him. I think in the end everyone is forced to get
vaccinated, because like in my country to use public facilities, it is required to show a certificate that we have been vaccinated. So, like it or not,
people who previously refused to be vaccinated are forced to vaccinate for unrestricted activities.

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September 13, 2021, 11:57:38 PM
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I'm a little confused by this situation. Actually, the vaccine is the right of every human being, so it means that every human being has the right to refuse not to be vaccinated. but most places require visitors to bring a vaccination card, so this is equivalent to forcing someone to receive the vaccine. super markets, tourist attractions, government offices, tourist attractions, and even going to other cities must bring a vaccination certificate.
Mate, I don't think getting vaccinated is a "choice" anymore given the severity of this virus. You need to understand that by not getting vaccinated you are not only risking your own life but also putting other's life at risk. No doubt, you have the right to suicide by not getting vaccinated but you cannot transmit the virus to others just because of your "choice".

Anyone who is against the vaccination process, please think about it twice, you are not just risking your own life but you might end up transmitting the virus to your loved ones.
Vaccine doesnt give out guarantee that you wont get infected thats why it is just wrong you do tell that non-vaccinated people could really put up other peoples lives to risk.You should at least have some consideration

before making those kind of conclusions.Of course it would be still a personal choice because no one forces out for you to get vaccinated unless if its really done on harsh way but it seems government

in some countries do really make out some desperate moves for them to vaccinate out people on their vicinity.

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Moreover, in countries with high vaccination percentages, it is proven that the spread of the virus is more controlled. This means that vaccination
must indeed be required by the government,  it seems that the government has to make difficult decisions for the safety of all its citizens.
As you said, a person who refuses to vaccinate can be a danger to himself and others around him. I think in the end everyone is forced to get
vaccinated, because like in my country to use public facilities, it is required to show a certificate that we have been vaccinated. So, like it or not,
people who previously refused to be vaccinated are forced to vaccinate for unrestricted activities.

It is a complex, and at the same time controversial topic. There may be cases where the individual may not be able to get vaccinated due to medical conditions, or due to some other factor. It is a very difficult question, to whether the restrictions should be applicable in such instances. IMO, irrespective of such conditions, they should be excluded from public places. Because this group still represents a greater than average risk of spreading COVID. The choice is very simple - get vaccinated and gain access to public places, or remain unvaccinated and stay away from crowded areas. 

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if you want to do it then you can go ahead and get vaccinated and if not you can leave it. They shouldn’t be forcing anyone to get vaccinated, and more of a lot of people are scared and they don’t trust whether they vaccine is reliable or not and the after effects of it is what you don’t know.


Various pro-government public media in my country always report statistics that the increase in the number of vaccines is based on people's awareness of health care. The fact is that the poor have to show a vaccination card to get the basic food allowance which will apply for the next round. And I'm sure that this requirement will apply to anyone who wants to deal with government agencies in the future. This means that there is no freedom, the government is playing with bureaucratic pressure to fight that freedom.

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Various pro-government public media in my country always report statistics that the increase in the number of vaccines is based on people's awareness of health care. The fact is that the poor have to show a vaccination card to get the basic food allowance which will apply for the next round. And I'm sure that this requirement will apply to anyone who wants to deal with government agencies in the future. This means that there is no freedom, the government is playing with bureaucratic pressure to fight that freedom.

I don't think that there's anything wrong with this move. It is the choice of the individual to decide whether he want to get vaccinated or not. But at the same time, it is the choice of the government to decide whether they want to give benefits to the unvaccinated people. Now you can't argue that you are fine with one, and not with the other. Here in my country, it has been found that close to 99% of the deaths from COVID are among the unvaccinated people. Those who refuse to take the vaccine are creating danger for others as well. So I don't find anything wrong with the measures from government agencies.
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It is the choice of the individual to decide whether he want to get vaccinated or not. But at the same time, it is the choice of the government to decide whether they want to give benefits to the unvaccinated people.

I would speak frankly, the first reason I took vaccine was to be able to travel abroad, visit places and store in my country. Safety was not the main reason to get it. During 1.5 years living with covid all around the world, none of my relatives or people around got symptoms. Even people around people I know did not get infected with covid.

I would like to comment on "it is the choice of the government to decide whether they want to give benefits to the unvaccinated people.". If this really happens, this will be negative actions against their own country and people.

If they dont want to give benefits, then let unvaccinated people free from taxes. Or it will look like they just take but dont give anything back. What do you mean under the word benefits ? Dont give medical treatment to unvaccinated? Police wont protect them and in case of fire let them burn? No social guaranties and no payments to unemployment?

There are already countries who divide population into citizens and non-citizen/alien and give them passports of different format, yet everyone pays identical taxes. I dont want "unvaccinated non-citizen with limited benefits" people to appear or be called like that.

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It is the choice of the individual to decide whether he want to get vaccinated or not. But at the same time, it is the choice of the government to decide whether they want to give benefits to the unvaccinated people.

I would speak frankly, the first reason I took vaccine was to be able to travel abroad, visit places and store in my country. Safety was not the main reason to get it. During 1.5 years living with covid all around the world, none of my relatives or people around got symptoms. Even people around people I know did not get infected with covid.

I would like to comment on "it is the choice of the government to decide whether they want to give benefits to the unvaccinated people.". If this really happens, this will be negative actions against their own country and people.

If they dont want to give benefits, then let unvaccinated people free from taxes. Or it will look like they just take but dont give anything back. What do you mean under the word benefits ? Dont give medical treatment to unvaccinated? Police wont protect them and in case of fire let them burn? No social guaranties and no payments to unemployment?

There are already countries who divide population into citizens and non-citizen/alien and give them passports of different format, yet everyone pays identical taxes. I dont want "unvaccinated non-citizen with limited benefits" people to appear or be called like that.

Very nice comment Bakasabo! Very nice points and questions... but I would like to focus on the last lines, because it's the answer why this is happening!

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This fuckers on top found a way to divide people even more, and this is what happens now... with all the differences out there we have another one, an invisible enemy that will divide people who took the vaccine and the ones who didn't! Governments are trying to emphasize all this, but they are doing that in such a stupid way, unlogical... there will be no food for people who are not vaccinated, but they will collect taxes from everyone! What a joke all this really is?!

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The vaccination is becoming a criteria indeed and it must be also. Without vaccines, the probability of being taken into intensive care is rising very quickly. Because in that case, our immune system is having a big difficulty in fighting against the virus. And we have even deadlier variants now. We have no choice other than being vaccinated if we care about our life. There is no meaning in being anti-vaxxer.

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Quite an obvious and normal state! Vaccination reduces both morbidity and mortality. This means that it minimizes the huge costs of the state for the maintenance and treatment of patients, payments of social assistance, support for families who have lost breadwinners, etc. The costs of "relations with Covid" are huge sums that kill the budgets of countries. If this is a serious burden for monsters like the United States, then what about countries with a lower standard of living and income? Therefore, vaccination is not only the preservation of the population, but also the real salvation of states ...

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They would be able to effectively do that in places they properly control.    That's why you need to be true cryptocurrency enthusiasts and know how to be independent and survive without them.
Unfortunately the foolish ones have been fighting lots of the contributions in Crypto from those who foresaw situations like that. Sometimes I see them as traitors and hope they change.
Everyone should be aiming for true independence from the system if they want to survive what is Really coming. "The best time to plant a tree was 20years,another best time is now".
Let the eye, ear, mouth, legs and other part of the body work in harmony together in Crypto space rather than working for the ruthless foreign enemy that dislike them.
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I now see a situation that the world is changing and is coming to a level where if you don't have a covid-19 vaccination clearence or means to verify that you have been vaccinated or have received the latest jab of the vaccine, you won't be allowed to buy or sell.
i also noticed this recently when a favorite mall of mine is now announced that they will never let people enters their premises if you won't show or provide your vaccination record in which i found not for human.

people knows their body, they knew if they can accumulate the vaccine or not.

there has cases here in my place where someone with Heart issue died after the vaccine just 12 hours later.

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Quite an obvious and normal state! Vaccination reduces both morbidity and mortality. This means that it minimizes the huge costs of the state for the maintenance and treatment of patients, payments of social assistance, support for families who have lost breadwinners, etc. The costs of "relations with Covid" are huge sums that kill the budgets of countries. If this is a serious burden for monsters like the United States, then what about countries with a lower standard of living and income? Therefore, vaccination is not only the preservation of the population, but also the real salvation of states ...

The death toll in US currently stands at 680,282 (>2 per 1,000). I don't have accurate numbers for those who got hospitalized, but I assume that it will be in millions. Given the inflated healthcare costs in the US, this would have created an additional burden of hundreds of billions of USD to individuals, as well as for the state and federal governments. And this time the pandemic has impacted all the countries, irrespective of their financial state. But I agree with your post. For the third world, it is going to be really hard.
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The vaccination is becoming a criteria indeed and it must be also. Without vaccines, the probability of being taken into intensive care is rising very quickly. Because in that case, our immune system is having a big difficulty in fighting against the virus. And we have even deadlier variants now. We have no choice other than being vaccinated if we care about our life. There is no meaning in being anti-vaxxer.
Well, vaccination really stimulates the immune system and produces certain antibodies to limit the powerful attack and destruction abilities of Covid but instead of accepting vaccination and accompanying the government against this century's epidemic, many residents are still not united and insecure about vaccination due to many fatal and ineffective sources. but instead of accepting vaccination and accompanying the government against this century's epidemic, many residents are still not united and insecure about vaccination due to many fatal and ineffective sources.

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Quite an obvious and normal state! Vaccination reduces both morbidity and mortality. This means that it minimizes the huge costs of the state for the maintenance and treatment of patients, payments of social assistance, support for families who have lost breadwinners, etc. The costs of "relations with Covid" are huge sums that kill the budgets of countries. If this is a serious burden for monsters like the United States, then what about countries with a lower standard of living and income? Therefore, vaccination is not only the preservation of the population, but also the real salvation of states ...

The death toll in US currently stands at 680,282 (>2 per 1,000). I don't have accurate numbers for those who got hospitalized, but I assume that it will be in millions. Given the inflated healthcare costs in the US, this would have created an additional burden of hundreds of billions of USD to individuals, as well as for the state and federal governments. And this time the pandemic has impacted all the countries, irrespective of their financial state. But I agree with your post. For the third world, it is going to be really hard.

I even think that the United States in this "story" suffered financially, from the calculation of 1 resident, almost the most - in the fight against the pandemic, from the very beginning so many forces, equipment, personnel, money were involved, and at the same time the scale of the defeat was very high against the background of other countries. Plus, I know that the state has undertaken huge financial expenses for direct financial assistance to its citizens, as well as others (rations, food packages, etc.) ...
But the US economy / state budget is also a separate topic, and perhaps their economy will not suffer as much as others.

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That's actually a good thing because that only means that countries are much more serious when it comes to trying to obliterate the pandemic once and for all, the only problem is that the idiot ant-vaxxers that's trying to hinder the progress towards herd immunity.
The issue is not as simple as you make it out to be, this is a classic case of individual rights and what society expects out of you, I have taken the vaccine and I would appreciate if the majority took the vaccine as well, but if you force people to take the vaccine then you are trampling on their rights, so the question is as what point society can do something like this and void the right to decide that people have over their own bodies? And this is not by any means an easy debate to have.
Well forcing someone to get vaccinated is already depriving them from their human right. The government is really serious in encouraging everyone to get vaccinated so that the disease will be prevented from spreading it but it does not stated in the law that it is mandatory and so everyone should comply.

However, with the latest implementations from the government, vaccine becomes a criteria to live in the world and those who can enjoy it and those who can't. So it is becoming unfair now to those who don't want to take the vaccine although its really necessary to get vaccinated as to stay away from the deadly virus.
Which is exactly my point, those that are not vaccinated are becoming almost second class citizens and this is not correct, we must try to encourage them to take the vaccine as I really think it is the best for them and for us but it is a completely different thing to force them to take it and if they do not to force such heavy consequences against them as there are many businesses that are not health related that are mandating their employees to get vaccinated or face termination.
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Which is exactly my point, those that are not vaccinated are becoming almost second class citizens and this is not correct, we must try to encourage them to take the vaccine as I really think it is the best for them and for us but it is a completely different thing to force them to take it and if they do not to force such heavy consequences against them as there are many businesses that are not health related that are mandating their employees to get vaccinated or face termination.

Laws can't be one-sided. Individuals have the freedom to refuse vaccines. At the same time, employers and shops have the freedom to refuse those who refuse the vaccines. Infringing on any of the camps would be unfair. The anti-vaxxer brigade essentially want the freedom to roam around freely and spread the virus to those who are in their vicinity. No one in their right mind would agree to this. If you don't want to take vaccine, then you are a danger to everyone else and need to stay at home.
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I would like to comment on "it is the choice of the government to decide whether they want to give benefits to the unvaccinated people.". If this really happens, this will be negative actions against their own country and people.

If they dont want to give benefits, then let unvaccinated people free from taxes. Or it will look like they just take but dont give anything back. What do you mean under the word benefits ? Dont give medical treatment to unvaccinated? Police wont protect them and in case of fire let them burn? No social guaranties and no payments to unemployment?

There are already countries who divide population into citizens and non-citizen/alien and give them passports of different format, yet everyone pays identical taxes. I dont want "unvaccinated non-citizen with limited benefits" people to appear or be called like that.
They are not "just take but not give back" covid vaccination is not something you get just because of yourself, it is something you get for everyone around you as well. It is like saying if I commit suicide it is only my deal, yes you die but after you die you are leaving so many people behind that ruins the family, friends and many other people.

So, what happens if 10 thousand people who are not related at all commits suicide at the same time in a nation, do you really think that it would be alright for the nation? Why do we have suicide prevention lines? Because suicide is bad for you and we would not want you to die BUT it also hurts the nation when more and more people commit suicide.

This is the same thing, government sees people killing themselves by not getting vaccinated and they want to keep you alive, they ARE giving you back, those vaccinations are not free for them neither, they pay for it and they are paying for it and using all the hospitals to help you not die, NOT DIE, that is a very big thing.
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The vaccination is becoming a criteria indeed and it must be also. Without vaccines, the probability of being taken into intensive care is rising very quickly. Because in that case, our immune system is having a big difficulty in fighting against the virus. And we have even deadlier variants now. We have no choice other than being vaccinated if we care about our life. There is no meaning in being anti-vaxxer.
Everyone I'm sure they have their own views on vaccines,
but if we talk about science, it seems that vaccine makers have proven that vaccines can make our immune system increase so we are not easily exposed to viruses,
so I think it's much better when we're vaccinated

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Which is exactly my point, those that are not vaccinated are becoming almost second class citizens and this is not correct, we must try to encourage them to take the vaccine as I really think it is the best for them and for us but it is a completely different thing to force them to take it and if they do not to force such heavy consequences against them as there are many businesses that are not health related that are mandating their employees to get vaccinated or face termination.

Laws can't be one-sided. Individuals have the freedom to refuse vaccines. At the same time, employers and shops have the freedom to refuse those who refuse the vaccines. Infringing on any of the camps would be unfair. The anti-vaxxer brigade essentially want the freedom to roam around freely and spread the virus to those who are in their vicinity. No one in their right mind would agree to this. If you don't want to take vaccine, then you are a danger to everyone else and need to stay at home.
Non vaccinated people are becoming a threat in the community. And even if they go out and roam around, they are not the priorities anymore because most of the establishments right now are asking for vaccination card and if you can't present it, then you are not allowed to enter too. So the government is clearly making non vaccinated people a useless people in the community.

Whether we like it or not, at least we should think also the safety of other people and this can be done only if we take the action to be vaccinated. Although the government cannot force us to do it but we know deep in our heart that its the most right thing to do this time so we can stop spreading the contagious disease caused by this covid 19 virus.

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Which is exactly my point, those that are not vaccinated are becoming almost second class citizens and this is not correct, we must try to encourage them to take the vaccine as I really think it is the best for them and for us but it is a completely different thing to force them to take it and if they do not to force such heavy consequences against them as there are many businesses that are not health related that are mandating their employees to get vaccinated or face termination.
Laws can't be one-sided. Individuals have the freedom to refuse vaccines. At the same time, employers and shops have the freedom to refuse those who refuse the vaccines. Infringing on any of the camps would be unfair. The anti-vaxxer brigade essentially want the freedom to roam around freely and spread the virus to those who are in their vicinity. No one in their right mind would agree to this. If you don't want to take vaccine, then you are a danger to everyone else and need to stay at home.

I agree that the law should be fair to everyone, but the rules regarding vaccines must be flexible in my opinion. Because shop owners or companies do
have to force their employees to be vaccinated, because it is dangerous for others to give employees the freedom not to vaccinate. As for ordinary people
who are given the freedom to refuse vaccines, they have to do a lot of activities at home. So indeed the freedom to refuse vaccines cannot be applied
to everyone, depending on the person's daily activities. COVID-19 is indeed a complex problem, so its handling is also unusual. As the death toll continues
to grow, then precautions must be taken which may sound unfair to some people. So we have to understand why some people are given the freedom to
refuse vaccines and some people can't.

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I agree that the law should be fair to everyone, but the rules regarding vaccines must be flexible in my opinion. Because shop owners or companies do
have to force their employees to be vaccinated, because it is dangerous for others to give employees the freedom not to vaccinate. As for ordinary people
who are given the freedom to refuse vaccines, they have to do a lot of activities at home. So indeed the freedom to refuse vaccines cannot be applied
to everyone, depending on the person's daily activities. COVID-19 is indeed a complex problem, so its handling is also unusual. As the death toll continues
to grow, then precautions must be taken which may sound unfair to some people. So we have to understand why some people are given the freedom to
refuse vaccines and some people can't.

They are as flexible as they can be. Already individuals are being given the freedom not to take vaccine. I think this is the maximum flexibility that the government can provide. They need to balance both the issues - they can't infringe on personal liberty, and at the same time they can't allow people with a very high chance of contracting COVID roaming around in the public. But for the employers, they need to be strict. They can't endanger 95% of the staff for the benefit of the remaining 5%. If they do so, then they may face legal suites later.

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Non vaccinated people are becoming a threat in the community. And even if they go out and roam around, they are not the priorities anymore because most of the establishments right now are asking for vaccination card and if you can't present it, then you are not allowed to enter too. So the government is clearly making non vaccinated people a useless people in the community.

Whether we like it or not, at least we should think also the safety of other people and this can be done only if we take the action to be vaccinated. Although the government cannot force us to do it but we know deep in our heart that its the most right thing to do this time so we can stop spreading the contagious disease caused by this covid 19 virus.

Government are not making unvaccinated people useless, they are making them unwanted. Unvaccinated can still work, perform tasks, they can do same job from home or from isolation as vaccinated people.

Interesting sentence you have written: "Non vaccinated people are becoming a threat". Can you prove that? Actually there is a little difference between unvaccinated and vaccinated. Are you 200% sure that vaccinated people are more safe thanks to vaccine, and not thanks to their immune system? Yet both have sad similarities as being virus carriers, a must to wear masks everywhere, keeping social distancing.

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Interesting sentence you have written: "Non vaccinated people are becoming a threat". Can you prove that? Actually there is a little difference between unvaccinated and vaccinated. Are you 200% sure that vaccinated people are more safe thanks to vaccine, and not thanks to their immune system? Yet both have sad similarities as being virus carriers, a must to wear masks everywhere, keeping social distancing.

Yes. Unvaccinated people are becoming a threat, to those around them. In the recent days, it has been observed that >99% of the deaths in all the countries due to COVID 19 are among individuals who are not fully vaccinated. These people are more likely to get infected by COVID and spread the infection to others (at least 4x higher chance), have higher probability of getting hospitalized and finally have a much higher chance of dying from COVID (upto 200x more likely when compared to the vaccinated population).
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I have a very different thought than the mass, which is, that this vaccine is mainly experimental, we do not know what the long-term effects are, to get a vaccine you do not need money, well if it is necessary but if and only if when you have at least 95% knowledge of the virus. For me, a vaccine that is efficient should take at least 5 or 6 years, if not what is currently happening happens, a strain comes out and another vaccine has to be made, then another strain comes out much harder than the previous one and that implies that another vaccine has to be launched to try to immunize, for me immunization is to maintain a high immune system, that is, vitamins in the immune system and each time try to have it very high so that diseases do not occur.

In addition, as I said before, we do not know what the long-term impacts of the vaccine are now, that is, we do not know what can happen in our body that can develop in 10 years, if it is something good or something bad, in addition to the interest of governments to get vaccinated is something strange, the good thing does not give it much. Maybe I'm a little skeptical, but it's my way of thinking.

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The vaccination is becoming a criteria indeed and it must be also. Without vaccines, the probability of being taken into intensive care is rising very quickly. Because in that case, our immune system is having a big difficulty in fighting against the virus. And we have even deadlier variants now. We have no choice other than being vaccinated if we care about our life. There is no meaning in being anti-vaxxer.
the problem is this virus continues to mutate and create new variants that can be more infectious and deadly. we do not know in the future whether the vaccine we have received is still effective against this virus or not. Recently the delta variant virus has made most vaccines less effective.

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The vaccination is becoming a criteria indeed and it must be also. Without vaccines, the probability of being taken into intensive care is rising very quickly. Because in that case, our immune system is having a big difficulty in fighting against the virus. And we have even deadlier variants now. We have no choice other than being vaccinated if we care about our life. There is no meaning in being anti-vaxxer.
the problem is this virus continues to mutate and create new variants that can be more infectious and deadly. we do not know in the future whether the vaccine we have received is still effective against this virus or not. Recently the delta variant virus has made most vaccines less effective.

But getting injected is preferable to not getting injected, right? However, it is their personal preference. For the time being, it is becoming increasingly difficult as the virus evolves, but we don't have anything to do but wait for the virus to die out, which means that we must continue to follow the protocols in order for our country to boost its economy and recoup its losses.
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The vaccination is becoming a criteria indeed and it must be also. Without vaccines, the probability of being taken into intensive care is rising very quickly. Because in that case, our immune system is having a big difficulty in fighting against the virus. And we have even deadlier variants now. We have no choice other than being vaccinated if we care about our life. There is no meaning in being anti-vaxxer.
the problem is this virus continues to mutate and create new variants that can be more infectious and deadly. we do not know in the future whether the vaccine we have received is still effective against this virus or not. Recently the delta variant virus has made most vaccines less effective.
This is what is dangerous for sure when the virus continues to mutate rapidly,
Of course, this problem must have a solution immediately because after all, as you said when there is a new variant, it seems that the existing vaccines become less effective and there needs to be a new vaccine.

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This is what is dangerous for sure when the virus continues to mutate rapidly,
Of course, this problem must have a solution immediately because after all, as you said when there is a new variant, it seems that the existing vaccines become less effective and there needs to be a new vaccine.

The important thing to remember here is that the vaccines become "less effective", but not "ineffective". Even with the mutant strains such as Delta and Gamma, the vaccinated people have a much lower chance of hospitalization and death when compared to those who refused to take vaccine. Now there is a catch. The vaccine manufacturers like Pfizer are now coming up with booster doses, specifically designed against these mutant strains. Coming up with a different booster dose for each of the mutation will be unviable.. but at this point we have limited options available.
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And they say that people have freedom and there is democracy in this world, what a hilarious joke. Don't get wrong with me, I amn't anti-vaxxer, no, I prefer vaccination but I think Covid and Flu vaccines mustn't be compulsory. I am a healthy person, always eat with healthy food and always protect the balanced diet, do cardio exercises, run every morning, do workout, cut/minimize sugar, trans fats, etc. So, I have great immune system, I almost never get cold/flu and have never visited to the doctor for health issue cause I don't have. So, why do I have to get vaccinated? Especially when it's flu like virus and I have great immune system. I have had a contact with so many people, I probably would get Covid but have never ever been felt and even if something happens, I hugely believe it will go easy on me.

Covid vaccine mustn't be compulsory because it hasn't been tested. FDA approval means nothing, FDA has approved a lot of drugs and also has withdrew a lot of them too. At the same time, it's very clear that Pharma is a huge business. There was one documentary about the approval of Xanax, how bad side effects it had but still was FDA approved because it was very addictive and good money making medicine. No one tries to create anti anxiety drugs that wouldn't cause addiction while it's possible, why? Because that won't be profitable. See this article - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5973310/

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And they say that people have freedom and there is democracy in this world, what a hilarious joke. Don't get wrong with me, I amn't anti-vaxxer, no, I prefer vaccination but I think Covid and Flu vaccines mustn't be compulsory. I am a healthy person, always eat with healthy food and always protect the balanced diet, do cardio exercises, run every morning, do workout, cut/minimize sugar, trans fats, etc. So, I have great immune system, I almost never get cold/flu and have never visited to the doctor for health issue cause I don't have. So, why do I have to get vaccinated? Especially when it's flu like virus and I have great immune system. I have had a contact with so many people, I probably would get Covid but have never ever been felt and even if something happens, I hugely believe it will go easy on me.

Covid vaccine mustn't be compulsory because it hasn't been tested. FDA approval means nothing, FDA has approved a lot of drugs and also has withdrew a lot of them too. At the same time, it's very clear that Pharma is a huge business. There was one documentary about the approval of Xanax, how bad side effects it had but still was FDA approved because it was very addictive and good money making medicine. No one tries to create anti anxiety drugs that wouldn't cause addiction while it's possible, why? Because that won't be profitable. See this article - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5973310/
I hate to say it but these covid vaccination and all these stuffs are purely business and is generating huge profits that is why everyone should have to take vaccine not just for your health safety alone but also for the government to generate an income. Yes, we are living in democracy but after this covid 19 vaccines have been implemented, then all of a sudden we lost our own freedom.

I am not anti vaccine because i have been vaccinated already but i understand the sentiments of those people who refuse to get vaccinated.  Although everyone is encouraged to take the vaccine to stop the virus but somehow, our rights should never be deprived also in this time of pandemic.

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And they say that people have freedom and there is democracy in this world, what a hilarious joke. Don't get wrong with me, I amn't anti-vaxxer, no, I prefer vaccination but I think Covid and Flu vaccines mustn't be compulsory. I am a healthy person, always eat with healthy food and always protect the balanced diet, do cardio exercises, run every morning, do workout, cut/minimize sugar, trans fats, etc. So, I have great immune system, I almost never get cold/flu and have never visited to the doctor for health issue cause I don't have. So, why do I have to get vaccinated? Especially when it's flu like virus and I have great immune system. I have had a contact with so many people, I probably would get Covid but have never ever been felt and even if something happens, I hugely believe it will go easy on me.

The vaccination is not only for your good or safety but for the safety of the masses. If you are a healthy person and always eat good foods, how about the man beside you? I rather advice that our concern should only be if there is a side effect of the vaccination, which I believe there is none. I wish we all learn to trust the government, if they are to fail in other things, I think no government will deceive the citizens she is securing their lives.

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And they say that people have freedom and there is democracy in this world, what a hilarious joke. Don't get wrong with me, I amn't anti-vaxxer, no, I prefer vaccination but I think Covid and Flu vaccines mustn't be compulsory. I am a healthy person, always eat with healthy food and always protect the balanced diet, do cardio exercises, run every morning, do workout, cut/minimize sugar, trans fats, etc. So, I have great immune system, I almost never get cold/flu and have never visited to the doctor for health issue cause I don't have. So, why do I have to get vaccinated? Especially when it's flu like virus and I have great immune system. I have had a contact with so many people, I probably would get Covid but have never ever been felt and even if something happens, I hugely believe it will go easy on me.

The vaccination is not only for your good or safety but for the safety of the masses. If you are a healthy person and always eat good foods, how about the man beside you? I rather advice that our concern should only be if there is a side effect of the vaccination, which I believe there is none. I wish we all learn to trust the government, if they are to fail in other things, I think no government will deceive the citizens she is security their lives.
Not everyone would able to trust up the government in regarding with this one and ive seen several countries which does have problems towards these things where there are people who doesnt really consider out on taking a shot which they do believe that vaccine is rather a bad thing rather than on being good.

Most of people are minding about it side effects rather than its efficacy on fighting covid which i cant really blamed them on.Criteria is something a little bit in reality as of this moment

as government do really make it out as a requirement for you to access common establishments and buildings with services which its an awful kind of decision or sign of desparation.
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The Delta variant is not to be joked with, you can see how fast it infects someone, well, based on my experience, I just recently caught COVID 2 weeks ago, the transmission was quite fast and because of it, my whole family had to be quarantined, really one of the hardest times for me. The vaccines released were used to be heavily doubted (well at least in my country), not only because of its side effects but because people used to think of COVID is the same as a normal flu or cold, but this Delta Variant stormed in and targeted more people around their families. I have no vaccine injected in me yet since I just recently tested POSITIVE for COVID, one of my biggest regrets is not taking it early as I can to at least prevent this from happening.

Vaccines are essential and needed, it may have temporary side effects but I swear, it's better than getting infected and having the potential to actually face death and I'm even considered to be healthy since I'm not obese nor malnourish, just a non-vaccinated guy, and what more if the virus continues to mutate? it's actually scary but for someone without a vaccine, it is definitely much more lethal, our economy will only continue to plummet if the government themselves are taking this opportunity to actually make profit from all of the medical equipment that the citizens need and by raising the price to a ridiculous amount, not entirely putting the blame on the government but they have been ruining everything since this pandemic began, and yes, I am talking about Philippines.
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September 15, 2021, 10:13:15 PM
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i mean apart from the fact the covid has hit the economy real hard and crippled  every possible business and industry, it is actually a fair law to prevent anyone who is not vaccinated to go into public place or to travel because he could be carrying the virus to other people even if he is not sick and we all know that this whole situation started because of one person and it is gonna take one person to bring it back.
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They will really implement that for most countries because they all want to go back now to our old lives when there's no need for mask. Since there's a lot of vaccination that are on-going and there's a lot of choice to make.

You'll be required for most establishments to be one. And for those that still don't like to take a jab, they'll now be deprived of choice because these establishments and services will require someone upon entering a vaccine card.

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They will really implement that for most countries because they all want to go back now to our old lives when there's no need for mask. Since there's a lot of vaccination that are on-going and there's a lot of choice to make.

You'll be required for most establishments to be one. And for those that still don't like to take a jab, they'll now be deprived of choice because these establishments and services will require someone upon entering a vaccine card.

Unfortunately, most governments may really require travelers being vaccinated. This is just to ensure that their population is safe from further infection. And this will truly limit the movement of some people who don't want to get the vaccine. Because it is still up to your choice but then again, you need to accept the consequences involved like traveling may be limited.
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And they say that people have freedom and there is democracy in this world, what a hilarious joke. Don't get wrong with me, I amn't anti-vaxxer, no, I prefer vaccination but I think Covid and Flu vaccines mustn't be compulsory. I am a healthy person, always eat with healthy food and always protect the balanced diet, do cardio exercises, run every morning, do workout, cut/minimize sugar, trans fats, etc. So, I have great immune system, I almost never get cold/flu and have never visited to the doctor for health issue cause I don't have. So, why do I have to get vaccinated? Especially when it's flu like virus and I have great immune system. I have had a contact with so many people, I probably would get Covid but have never ever been felt and even if something happens, I hugely believe it will go easy on me.

The vaccination is not only for your good or safety but for the safety of the masses. If you are a healthy person and always eat good foods, how about the man beside you? I rather advice that our concern should only be if there is a side effect of the vaccination, which I believe there is none. I wish we all learn to trust the government, if they are to fail in other things, I think no government will deceive the citizens she is security their lives.
What should I do about the man behind me when I am healthy? And what can I do even if I am vaccinated? It was stated that vaccination doesn't prevent infection in this case. You can still get infected with covid even if you are vaccinated, the only difference is that vaccinated people fight this virus easily and there is very low chance of serious threat or death. So, if I am healthy, I will fight this virus easily just like vaccinated people. Not me, nor vaccinated people lessen the spread of the virus, the benefit of vaccination and health (in my case) is only personal. That's why I don't think that it should be mandatory to get vaccinated. Again, I amn't anti-vaxxer, hope you understand the point. Doctors even hesitate to prescribe trt for long term while it has 10 years of medical study behind it, so why to inject immediately something that was invented yesterday and it's pros doesn't outweigh cos for healthy people?

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I now see a situation that the world is changing and is coming to a level where if you don't have a covid-19 vaccination you won't be allowed to buy or sell.
this is possible and could be happening now on many parts of the world however i dont think this is possible online .
if ever we are working in real life and we are required for vaccination ,
we can always quit or resign because it is our life , we control it and we wont let them experiment us with those vaccines because those can be life threatening .  besides there are still other ways to live like learning cryptos  .
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They will really implement that for most countries because they all want to go back now to our old lives when there's no need for mask. Since there's a lot of vaccination that are on-going and there's a lot of choice to make.

You'll be required for most establishments to be one. And for those that still don't like to take a jab, they'll now be deprived of choice because these establishments and services will require someone upon entering a vaccine card.

Unfortunately, most governments may really require travelers being vaccinated. This is just to ensure that their population is safe from further infection. And this will truly limit the movement of some people who don't want to get the vaccine. Because it is still up to your choice but then again, you need to accept the consequences involved like traveling may be limited.
And that is the problem, the government will narrow the space for those who are not vaccinated and cannot travel to certain commercial places and places because they will ask for vaccine cards and if not, they will not be allowed in or out.
and such a situation will make those who don't like vaccines feel uncomfortable and finally they have no other choice to be vaccinated for their freedom to be able to travel and enter certain places, and I don't like this kind of situation until now I still have doubts about vaccines .

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The epidemic is too powerful this time. I have never seen a pandemic virus that is so difficult to control. Although vaccines have been developed very quickly, this is not a way to stop the spread of the virus. There should be cases who are still infected after being vaccinated. Viruses, but this can be regarded as a kind of psychological suggestion. Most people trust the vaccine and actively vaccinate. This is a positive behavior and is responsible for themselves and others.
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And that is the problem, the government will narrow the space for those who are not vaccinated and cannot travel to certain commercial places and places because they will ask for vaccine cards and if not, they will not be allowed in or out.
and such a situation will make those who don't like vaccines feel uncomfortable and finally they have no other choice to be vaccinated for their freedom to be able to travel and enter certain places, and I don't like this kind of situation until now I still have doubts about vaccines .

If you have a problem with the restrictions, then you need to get vaccinated. You can't play both the sides. If you don't want to get vaccinated, then it's fine with me. But then you need to stay at home, to lessen the chances of someone else getting infected from you. On one hand, you don't want to get vaccinated, and on the other hand you want complete freedom to travel. Essentially what you are asking for, is a freedom to infect others. People like me are not going to agree with that. Because I would say that you pose a danger for me, if you are allowed in the same flight or same shop where I am visiting.

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I also feel bad about this imagine in almost every establishments and businesses and even government center? they are requiring a Vaccine card before allowing to enter or transacting? this is unfair because not everyone is willing to partake in that vaccination process and also don't want that vaccine inside their body so what is this all about?
it is against their will so why treating like this, they must treat people freely and let them have what they want as long as there is a protocol inside the building.
there is a campaign here now about disregarding these rules and it is getting more and more sympathy and sooner will win i guess.

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Covid-19 is coming so fiercely. It has spread without time for us and it spreads all over the world. This spread can be said to be the fastest in history. The government has also actively responded with policies. Since the vaccine is available, it has been around. People who are vaccinated are generally vaccinated. The government issued a notice requiring everyone to actively vaccinate. People who are vaccinated can go to various places freely, but they must take protective measures. If they are not vaccinated, there may be restrictions on activities.
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They will really implement that for most countries because they all want to go back now to our old lives when there's no need for mask. Since there's a lot of vaccination that are on-going and there's a lot of choice to make.

You'll be required for most establishments to be one. And for those that still don't like to take a jab, they'll now be deprived of choice because these establishments and services will require someone upon entering a vaccine card.

Unfortunately, most governments may really require travelers being vaccinated. This is just to ensure that their population is safe from further infection. And this will truly limit the movement of some people who don't want to get the vaccine. Because it is still up to your choice but then again, you need to accept the consequences involved like traveling may be limited.
Well, that's really unfortunate for those that don't want to take the vaccine. Even if we don't really want to take vaccines or we're sympathizing with them.

There's nothing much that we can do about it because most governments are having this kind of protocol and rule for their citizens and as well as travelers that may come to their country.

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What should I do about the man behind me when I am healthy? And what can I do even if I am vaccinated? It was stated that vaccination doesn't prevent infection in this case. You can still get infected with covid even if you are vaccinated, the only difference is that vaccinated people fight this virus easily and there is very low chance of serious threat or death. So, if I am healthy, I will fight this virus easily just like vaccinated people. Not me, nor vaccinated people lessen the spread of the virus, the benefit of vaccination and health (in my case) is only personal. That's why I don't think that it should be mandatory to get vaccinated. Again, I amn't anti-vaxxer, hope you understand the point. Doctors even hesitate to prescribe trt for long term while it has 10 years of medical study behind it, so why to inject immediately something that was invented yesterday and it's pros doesn't outweigh cos for healthy people?

I am not sure that vaccination doesn't prevent infection. If so, the effort is in futility or just a mere immune booster exercise. There is actually two types of vaccination; Preventive and Therapeutic. The former as the name implies should serve its function. Again, healthy persons are the safest people to take the vaccination as WHO warned that people with some health issues should avoid the vaccination. I surely understand your point that health related issues should be treated personally. This will be acceptable if we consider Covid-19 as other conventional sickness (advanced malaria). I however align with you that the Covid-19 vaccines were not subjected to extensive trials. It should raise concerns.  Why I have confidence in the vaccination is because, it is not country base. If there be a conspiracy, it should be called a universal conspiracy.

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Refusing to take a vaccine is not brave. It is a stupid and retarded move. In my neighborhood, there was a family that refused to adhere to any of the security precautions. They refused to take vaccine, and mocked anyone who asked them to wear masks. When the second wave hit India (April this year), the family also got infected. 3 of the members landed in hospital and one of them died. I am quite sure that the surviving members would disagree with your post now. Don't think that it is "brave" to refuse vaccine.
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I also feel bad about this imagine in almost every establishments and businesses and even government center? they are requiring a Vaccine card before allowing to enter or transacting? this is unfair because not everyone is willing to partake in that vaccination process and also don't want that vaccine inside their body so what is this all about?
it is against their will so why treating like this, they must treat people freely and let them have what they want as long as there is a protocol inside the building.
there is a campaign here now about disregarding these rules and it is getting more and more sympathy and sooner will win i guess.
Sure they can "treat people freely", but most anti-vaxxers are very stubborn. They are against vaccination and don't want to get vaccinated. They encourage people not to take vaccines. Ok, we are fine with that. But then again, most of the anti-vaxxers are against wearing mask, going through quarantine or maintain any sort of social distance. According to them, everything is a hoax and a scare tactic used by the government to control the people. I mean how blind or stupid do you have to be to act like this?

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I also feel bad about this imagine in almost every establishments and businesses and even government center? they are requiring a Vaccine card before allowing to enter or transacting? this is unfair because not everyone is willing to partake in that vaccination process and also don't want that vaccine inside their body so what is this all about?
it is against their will so why treating like this, they must treat people freely and let them have what they want as long as there is a protocol inside the building.
there is a campaign here now about disregarding these rules and it is getting more and more sympathy and sooner will win i guess.
The fact that people still imagine a vaccine to save the world is "against free will" is beyond my understanding. Let's assume that vaccination is something that you should have an option of opting out, just for a second let's say that we said "alright you can die if you want to, it is your choice to die" because that is literally what we are saying to those who do not get the vaccination, they may die at a much higher rate so it is suicide of sorts not to get it.

However even with that, you are not just hurting yourself, low vaccination rate means filled hospitals, filled hospitals means more lockdowns, more lockdowns means less freedom for me, plus no-vaxx people getting it constantly and without having a trouble (you do not have to be hospitalized if you get it) they cause new mutations and variants which makes my vaccination less worthy.

So, you not getting the vaccination hurts me, hell I could be in a bike accident and ER near me could be filled with people like you and I might die because I was taken to a longer and far away hospital. Getting vaccinated is not just about you, it is about everyone around you, it always hurts other, not just you, but everyone else, so get it, I do not care if they have to get a warrant for you and catch you with cops and put you in a chair and lock you up and forcefully vaccinate you, EVERYONE should get it so that we do not die collectively.

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To get rid of masks slowly, we need to be vaccinated fully. Now, it is definitely the main criterion for people to go anywhere freely and worrying less about having a really serious covid-19 period. Vaccines are very important to keep people away from intensive care also. There isn't any logical reason for being anti-vaxxer. It is people's life we are talking about.

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The idea of vaccination is a good one, but I don’t think it is something that they have to force people to do. Getting vaccinated should be something of choice, you should decide whether you want to do it or not, if you want to do it then you can go ahead and get vaccinated and if not you can leave it. They shouldn’t be forcing anyone to get vaccinated, and more of a lot of people are scared and they don’t trust whether they vaccine is reliable or not and the after effects of it is what you don’t know.

We have heard a lot of bad stories about the vaccines and the kind of effects they had on some people, although I can’t  really say for sure if all those  stories are true or not.
There are way too many people in the world who are either anti-vaxx as a whole, or they just anti-covid vaxx basically, and that is the kind of trouble that we are living right now. For some reason, at one point in history vaccinations turned from something that saves lives to few people saying they are bad into a lot of people saying they are bad. How did something that saved lives of millions upon millions of people suddenly started to see by some people as something that is bad is beyond me. But, the reality is that without vaccination, covid would have been so much worse, so much worse.
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The idea of vaccination is a good one, but I don’t think it is something that they have to force people to do. Getting vaccinated should be something of choice, you should decide whether you want to do it or not, if you want to do it then you can go ahead and get vaccinated and if not you can leave it. They shouldn’t be forcing anyone to get vaccinated, and more of a lot of people are scared and they don’t trust whether they vaccine is reliable or not and the after effects of it is what you don’t know.

We have heard a lot of bad stories about the vaccines and the kind of effects they had on some people, although I can’t  really say for sure if all those  stories are true or not.
There are way too many people in the world who are either anti-vaxx as a whole, or they just anti-covid vaxx basically, and that is the kind of trouble that we are living right now. For some reason, at one point in history vaccinations turned from something that saves lives to few people saying they are bad into a lot of people saying they are bad. How did something that saved lives of millions upon millions of people suddenly started to see by some people as something that is bad is beyond me. But, the reality is that without vaccination, covid would have been so much worse, so much worse.
But due to some side effects then people do really get paranoid when it comes to this on where they do think off that vaccine could really make it more worst without even thinking on whats the percentage of those

people who got died because of side effects.Some do think that this is just part of the business and vaccines doesnt really give out effectiveness or doesnt change anything at all.

We are really living into a world on where vaccination is a must thing.

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To get rid of masks slowly, we need to be vaccinated fully. Now, it is definitely the main criterion for people to go anywhere freely and worrying less about having a really serious covid-19 period. Vaccines are very important to keep people away from intensive care also. There isn't any logical reason for being anti-vaxxer. It is people's life we are talking about.
When it's about personal choices, you can't admit that it's logic or not. No one has the right to enforce someone to take the vaccination but that one can be forbidden from using some public spaces and this has no relation with his personal opinions/principles.
Personally, i prefer waiting for the maximum time before taking the vaccine so i can watch how it may has bad impacts to some people and the differences between the different vaccines so i can make a better choice. I am not obligated to travel or change my location so i can wait to be the last one who will take the vaccine.

The debate about vaccination becomes more rough imo. I think about people living under wars or in closed countries (North Corea) if we want to vaccinate the whole globe. Also new births and prisoners, is it right to give them vaccines without their own permission !
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This is really going to be a problem to those unvaccinated like me mate, but that doesn't stop me because if I'm out of job because of that; crypto is my second alternative for taking earning to continue living. However, fully vaccinated or not our lives still continue to prosper and having our immunity will last as long as you pursue self medication and avoid those evil doctors who still profit from pandemic covid-19 lies behind medical administration.
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Just sharing my experience as me and my wife are already fully vaccinated.

Went out yesterday to buy some stuff, and then me being a diabetic, I have to eat something. So we went to the favourite restaurant we eat and they are allowing dine-in as long as you are fully vaccinated. So we show them our vaccination card and off we go.

But being fully vaccinated doesn't mean that you can't contract Covid, specially with the latest variant. My brother who is also fully vaccinated, got infected after he feel ill and have to go to the doctor for a check-up. At least he has some protection and is now on the recovery phase (self-isolation for 2 weeks, but I said he needs to extend it to a month).

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This is really going to be a problem to those unvaccinated like me mate, but that doesn't stop me because if I'm out of job because of that; crypto is my second alternative for taking earning to continue living. However, fully vaccinated or not our lives still continue to prosper and having our immunity will last as long as you pursue self medication and avoid those evil doctors who still profit from pandemic covid-19 lies behind medical administration.

What a load of BS? The majority of the deaths that have occurred in my neighborhood was caused by a delay in seeking medical help. Self medication works with minor illnesses such as flu and cold, but not with COVID. I would advice everyone to get hospitalized if they get infected with COVID and in case they suffer from breathing difficulty or fatigue. Self-medication won't work if you can't breathe on your own. And staying unvaccinated is your own choice.. but it's not something that I would ever consider for any of my family members.

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Unfortunately the availability of tue vaccine is still low. I need to wait for long time until I can get it. I personally think that it is a humanity matters and vaccine should not be traded but should be distributed freely. The companies which produce vaccine should not take advantage in this situation, but government still have to support that company. Today, in my country there are many places that ask the citizens to show vaccination card. Even companies also give time about 1 month maximum to it's workers to get vaccinated.

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This is really going to be a problem to those unvaccinated like me mate, but that doesn't stop me because if I'm out of job because of that; crypto is my second alternative for taking earning to continue living. However, fully vaccinated or not our lives still continue to prosper and having our immunity will last as long as you pursue self medication and avoid those evil doctors who still profit from pandemic covid-19 lies behind medical administration.
It's not so simple like this. Without the vaccine you will be forbidden from travelling even inside your country and it won't be possible to go to stores and public buildings (probably all of them) that are part of our daily appointments. It looks like life without vaccination is going to be like a home prison imposed by governments following WHO's guidance. It means you can expect similar regulations for most countries.
To keep our routines normal and our lives prospering and thriving like you said, we will have to take the vaccine, there isn't another option.

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September 17, 2021, 08:10:10 AM
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It's not so simple like this. Without the vaccine you will be forbidden from travelling even inside your country and it won't be possible to go to stores and public buildings (probably all of them) that are part of our daily appointments. It looks like life without vaccination is going to be like a home prison imposed by governments following WHO's guidance. It means you can expect similar regulations for most countries.
To keep our routines normal and our lives prospering and thriving like you said, we will have to take the vaccine, there isn't another option.

There are certain groups of people who can't be vaccinated due to medical conditions and other issues. These restrictions are meant for them. Otherwise, everyone else is supposed to get inoculated with two doses of the vaccine (third booster dose as well, if there is a requirement). The pandemic has already killed 5-10 million individuals so far, and the governments are gradually getting stricter with the restrictions. If they want the pandemic to be contained within the next 6-12 months, then they need to compel the population to take vaccine.
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Unfortunately the availability of tue vaccine is still low. I need to wait for long time until I can get it. I personally think that it is a humanity matters and vaccine should not be traded but should be distributed freely. The companies which produce vaccine should not take advantage in this situation, but government still have to support that company. Today, in my country there are many places that ask the citizens to show vaccination card. Even companies also give time about 1 month maximum to it's workers to get vaccinated.
We can see that vaccination is one of the requirements whether it's from the company or others,
and the problem is that there are still many who have not been vaccinated for various exact reasons,
I don't think it's fair when someone loses their job because they haven't been vaccinated

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September 17, 2021, 09:25:55 AM
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This is really going to be a problem to those unvaccinated like me mate, but that doesn't stop me because if I'm out of job because of that; crypto is my second alternative for taking earning to continue living. However, fully vaccinated or not our lives still continue to prosper and having our immunity will last as long as you pursue self medication and avoid those evil doctors who still profit from pandemic covid-19 lies behind medical administration.

In my place, there are many doctors and health clinics who always state positively anyone who goes there for treatment, this is because all Covid patients will get special treatment and this is a business for doctors, I think without being vaccinated, we will be strong in dealing with the virus with a record of maintaining health, namely food and lots of physical exercise.
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Vaccination is very easy to imagine in the form of a classic story: there is a very wide river teeming with aggressive crocodiles. People need to cross this river from bank to bank. You can try to swim very quickly across the river - there is a different from 0 probability that the crocodiles will not have time to react to you.
But others offered to quickly build a bridge, even if in a hurry, even without a 100% guarantee that no one will fall from it. But it is guaranteed that 99% will surely cross the river safely. What do you choose - try to quickly cross the river every time, or go over the bridge? Also with vaccination - you can not get vaccinated and risk guaranteed with a high probability, but you can get vaccinated and get very limited risks with a low probability

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Vaccination is very easy to imagine in the form of a classic story: there is a very wide river teeming with aggressive crocodiles. People need to cross this river from bank to bank. You can try to swim very quickly across the river - there is a different from 0 probability that the crocodiles will not have time to react to you.
But others offered to quickly build a bridge, even if in a hurry, even without a 100% guarantee that no one will fall from it. But it is guaranteed that 99% will surely cross the river safely. What do you choose - try to quickly cross the river every time, or go over the bridge? Also with vaccination - you can not get vaccinated and risk guaranteed with a high probability, but you can get vaccinated and get very limited risks with a low probability

Anti-vaxxers are having a field day with this pandemic. They have successfully convinced hundreds of millions around the world not to take vaccine, by spreading rumors of side effects. Even developed countries like the United States are reporting 2,000+ deaths per day now (and according to various sources, almost all of the deaths are among the unvaccinated people). During the initial phases it was OK to refuse vaccination, because the clinical trials were not complete. But now, billions of doses have been administered and very few people have reported side effects. No justification exists to refuse vaccination now. 
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Vaccination is very easy to imagine in the form of a classic story: there is a very wide river teeming with aggressive crocodiles. People need to cross this river from bank to bank. You can try to swim very quickly across the river - there is a different from 0 probability that the crocodiles will not have time to react to you.
But others offered to quickly build a bridge, even if in a hurry, even without a 100% guarantee that no one will fall from it. But it is guaranteed that 99% will surely cross the river safely. What do you choose - try to quickly cross the river every time, or go over the bridge? Also with vaccination - you can not get vaccinated and risk guaranteed with a high probability, but you can get vaccinated and get very limited risks with a low probability

Anti-vaxxers are having a field day with this pandemic. They have successfully convinced hundreds of millions around the world not to take vaccine, by spreading rumors of side effects. Even developed countries like the United States are reporting 2,000+ deaths per day now (and according to various sources, almost all of the deaths are among the unvaccinated people). During the initial phases it was OK to refuse vaccination, because the clinical trials were not complete. But now, billions of doses have been administered and very few people have reported side effects. No justification exists to refuse vaccination now. 

To dumb for people to believe in such rumors hopefully they will realize that the vaccine goes with many trial across the globe and this is not secretly happened since this was over the news when the vaccine created. I do hope Anti-vaxxers will realize that they should believe on the experts who created the vaccine so that we can achieve the herd immunity globally.

Maybe its time for government to take action to the people spreading false news so that we can achieve the goal and this covid will slowly fades away.

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Unfortunately the availability of tue vaccine is still low. I need to wait for long time until I can get it. I personally think that it is a humanity matters and vaccine should not be traded but should be distributed freely. The companies which produce vaccine should not take advantage in this situation, but government still have to support that company. Today, in my country there are many places that ask the citizens to show vaccination card. Even companies also give time about 1 month maximum to it's workers to get vaccinated.
We can see that vaccination is one of the requirements whether it's from the company or others,
and the problem is that there are still many who have not been vaccinated for various exact reasons,
I don't think it's fair when someone loses their job because they haven't been vaccinated
yes, what you say is true. my friend was forced to not work because he had not received the vaccination. as you said if you want to work in a vaccination card company is now a mandatory requirement. my friend was not vaccinated not because she didn't want to be vaccinated, but because she had an inherited disease that made her unable to receive the vaccine.

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You can always join the rebellion against these tyrants and tell them to go fuck themselves. It is not really that hard.

Dump your big house that eats away half of your monthly income, get a smaller car, eat less and you'll be able to survive through this mess even without a job.

If you want to comply because you don't want to move from your comfort zone, then get ready to be vaxxed forever and end up a genetically modified bio-mess.



Yeah, I love it. A vaccine panorama and a funny meme.


Currently, in our country, to return to work must be fully vaccinated. Unvaccinated people will be at a disadvantage to them. Traveling between countries also requires full vaccinations and screening tests to get on the plane.



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You can always join the rebellion against these tyrants and tell them to go fuck themselves. It is not really that hard.

Dump your big house that eats away half of your monthly income, get a smaller car, eat less and you'll be able to survive through this mess even without a job.

If you want to comply because you don't want to move from your comfort zone, then get ready to be vaxxed forever and end up a genetically modified bio-mess.



Yeah, I love it. A vaccine panorama and a funny meme.


Currently, in our country, to return to work must be fully vaccinated. Unvaccinated people will be at a disadvantage to them. Traveling between countries also requires full vaccinations and screening tests to get on the plane.

It was a hilarious meme, haha. We are not all the same, but most private sector employers are advising job seekers to get vaccinated because it is one of their requirements, and the government is planning to make it mandatory, so we won't have a choice. We have no choice but to follow. I am vaccinated, but I respect those who do not want to be.
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Vaccination is very easy to imagine in the form of a classic story: there is a very wide river teeming with aggressive crocodiles. People need to cross this river from bank to bank. You can try to swim very quickly across the river - there is a different from 0 probability that the crocodiles will not have time to react to you.
But others offered to quickly build a bridge, even if in a hurry, even without a 100% guarantee that no one will fall from it. But it is guaranteed that 99% will surely cross the river safely. What do you choose - try to quickly cross the river every time, or go over the bridge? Also with vaccination - you can not get vaccinated and risk guaranteed with a high probability, but you can get vaccinated and get very limited risks with a low probability

Anti-vaxxers are having a field day with this pandemic. They have successfully convinced hundreds of millions around the world not to take vaccine, by spreading rumors of side effects. Even developed countries like the United States are reporting 2,000+ deaths per day now (and according to various sources, almost all of the deaths are among the unvaccinated people). During the initial phases it was OK to refuse vaccination, because the clinical trials were not complete. But now, billions of doses have been administered and very few people have reported side effects. No justification exists to refuse vaccination now. 

I will say this - there are enough fools everywhere. Fools have always been, fools will always be!
But there is a slight difference. Being a fool and denying computer technology, for example, will only lead to technological backwardness. But it will not lead to death!
Denial of the need for vaccinations, and refusal of vaccinations, will actually become some kind of "natural selection", because the unvaccinated have the maximum mortality rate, and the unvaccinated who have had the illness and who have received complications will find themselves on the "outskirts" of a full life, and are likely to become, in a sense, "outcasts". Well, for the rest of the population, not vaccinated, will become a "walking advertisement" of the statement "it is necessary to be vaccinated!" It may sound a little harsh, but this is the reality ...

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September 17, 2021, 06:14:14 PM
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To dumb for people to believe in such rumors hopefully they will realize that the vaccine goes with many trial across the globe and this is not secretly happened since this was over the news when the vaccine created. I do hope Anti-vaxxers will realize that they should believe on the experts who created the vaccine so that we can achieve the herd immunity globally.

Maybe its time for government to take action to the people spreading false news so that we can achieve the goal and this covid will slowly fades away.
Unfortunately there are way too many people who are dumb enough to think that they are actually the smart ones. That's not a joke, people who do not get vaccination believes that they are the smart people. Because, we get vaccinated and "do not ask any questions about it", they assume that we did absolutely zero research about it and just accepted it because government told us to get it, they do not realize that we did our research and found it very beneficial to get it.

Hence, because they do not get it and because so many people do get it, they assume that they are the smart ones who realize what's wrong. In reality they do not realize they are the idiots who cause the world to still be in this mess, if they weren't acting like this then the world would become a good place by now.
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Sure they can "treat people freely", but most anti-vaxxers are very stubborn. They are against vaccination and don't want to get vaccinated. They encourage people not to take vaccines. Ok, we are fine with that. But then again, most of the anti-vaxxers are against wearing mask, going through quarantine or maintain any sort of social distance. According to them, everything is a hoax and a scare tactic used by the government to control the people. I mean how blind or stupid do you have to be to act like this?
maybe if likened it could be like this, you know about fire, you know the effect of burning fire that causes damage to the skin but there is a solution when you are burned by fire that is you have to keep the source of the fire away from around you, after that close your burn and give medicine so as not to inveksi and your wound so as not to inveksi.
but you deny this and say that when you are burned there is no point in treating and removing the source of the fire that is burning you.
I think that's a pretty stupid thing to do.

just as we now know that this virus exists, we know that many victims have died from this virus and we also know that the government and health units have made some kind of antidote in the hope of reducing the spread of the virus so that it does not spread. but still deny that this virus exists and think this is just a trick by the government to scare and vaccines are a tool from the government so that later there will be side effects on government experiments. this is so ridiculous.

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September 17, 2021, 06:23:52 PM
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There are way too many people in the world who are either anti-vaxx as a whole, or they just anti-covid vaxx basically, and that is the kind of trouble that we are living right now. For some reason, at one point in history vaccinations turned from something that saves lives to few people saying they are bad into a lot of people saying they are bad. How did something that saved lives of millions upon millions of people suddenly started to see by some people as something that is bad is beyond me. But, the reality is that without vaccination, covid would have been so much worse, so much worse.
The number of people in my nation that became ill enough to stay in hospital from covid is huge. 50%+ of it was people who had no vaccination, 30% or so was from people with 2 sinovac, only 1.1% was from 3 sinovac, 0.5% or so was from 2 biontech. This is a good enough stat to convince me. However, these people see these stats and either say it is a lie, or they say covid was created so that they could sell these vaccinations and make money.. like that makes sense? I mean okay, even if they did something so horrible, I still want that vaccination so that I do not die, the reason is unimportant the result is you die without it.

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Unfortunately there are way too many people who are dumb enough to think that they are actually the smart ones. That's not a joke, people who do not get vaccination believes that they are the smart people. Because, we get vaccinated and "do not ask any questions about it", they assume that we did absolutely zero research about it and just accepted it because government told us to get it, they do not realize that we did our research and found it very beneficial to get it.

Hence, because they do not get it and because so many people do get it, they assume that they are the smart ones who realize what's wrong. In reality they do not realize they are the idiots who cause the world to still be in this mess, if they weren't acting like this then the world would become a good place by now.
People who fear receiving doses of vaccines are those who believe in the frightening effects of vaccines in the short and long term. The Covid-19 vaccine is still in the pilot stage and its effectiveness as a prevention of viral infection and also as a chain breaker may have varying success rates depending on the type of drug used. The most feared short term effect of vaccines is sudden death and that is the reason most people refuse to be vaccinated.

However, in my opinion, there are still cases of transmission for those who receive the full dose if they are more often exposed to people with covid so that the dose obtained cannot make their body 100% immune to the virus. Recipients of the vaccine dose can still spread the virus if they don't take care of their bodies and clothes. Vaccines will only reduce the rate of transmission of the virus and will not eliminate the virus forever. So it's up to them whether they want to accept it or not because human rights also need to be considered. Never force a frightened person, they may be more susceptible to short term effects because of their fear. But let them take it when they need it because the government is starting to limit the access of people who do not receive a dose of vaccine to get public services in government institutions.

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September 17, 2021, 07:02:48 PM
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There are way too many people in the world who are either anti-vaxx as a whole, or they just anti-covid vaxx basically, and that is the kind of trouble that we are living right now. For some reason, at one point in history vaccinations turned from something that saves lives to few people saying they are bad into a lot of people saying they are bad. How did something that saved lives of millions upon millions of people suddenly started to see by some people as something that is bad is beyond me. But, the reality is that without vaccination, covid would have been so much worse, so much worse.
The number of people in my nation that became ill enough to stay in hospital from covid is huge. 50%+ of it was people who had no vaccination, 30% or so was from people with 2 sinovac, only 1.1% was from 3 sinovac, 0.5% or so was from 2 biontech. This is a good enough stat to convince me. However, these people see these stats and either say it is a lie, or they say covid was created so that they could sell these vaccinations and make money.. like that makes sense? I mean okay, even if they did something so horrible, I still want that vaccination so that I do not die, the reason is unimportant the result is you die without it.

Better than nothing, I mean like what you have said, I also take the vaccine instead of risking my life.
The stats showing the possibilities of surviving once you have the vaccines is fair enough to gamble in taking the shots.
If there are still people believes that Covid was created to scare people then let them think that way, it's more wise to
take your action and separate yourself from the possibilities of getting infected and continue surviving.

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September 17, 2021, 07:35:56 PM
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That's actually a good thing because that only means that countries are much more serious when it comes to trying to obliterate the pandemic once and for all, the only problem is that the idiot ant-vaxxers that's trying to hinder the progress towards herd immunity.
The issue is not as simple as you make it out to be, this is a classic case of individual rights and what society expects out of you, I have taken the vaccine and I would appreciate if the majority took the vaccine as well, but if you force people to take the vaccine then you are trampling on their rights, so the question is as what point society can do something like this and void the right to decide that people have over their own bodies? And this is not by any means an easy debate to have.

We infringe individual rights all the time in the pursuit of living in a society that isn't complete chaos because everyone can just do whatever they want in the name of "personal freedom."  You have to pay taxes, you can't make threats against other people, you can't drive as fast as you want or wherever you want, employer's have to create a safe work environment for employees, etc.  Each of these is an example of an infringement on an individual's rights to live how they want, but we accept these because they help create a society worth living in.  Vaccine mandates are just another example.  So the issue isn't "we shouldn't do this because it infringes a right" because we already do that all the time without controversy.  The issue is "should we infringe this right because it makes society substantially better."

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The number of people in my nation that became ill enough to stay in hospital from covid is huge. 50%+ of it was people who had no vaccination, 30% or so was from people with 2 sinovac, only 1.1% was from 3 sinovac, 0.5% or so was from 2 biontech. This is a good enough stat to convince me. However, these people see these stats and either say it is a lie, or they say covid was created so that they could sell these vaccinations and make money.. like that makes sense? I mean okay, even if they did something so horrible, I still want that vaccination so that I do not die, the reason is unimportant the result is you die without it.
Better than nothing, I mean like you said, I'm also taking vaccines rather than risking my life surviving indefinitely in lockdown.
Looking at the existing data, it is a fact that people who have been vaccinated can at least reduce the effects of the spread of the existing virus.

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September 17, 2021, 08:34:26 PM
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I'm not sure why there's such a large push for vaccine mandates when the vaccine works on an individual basis. Whether someone else gets vaccinated has no effect on you, yet they expect you to talk around triple masked after vaxxed, or might impose regulation on businesses when case counts go up? It's nonsense, and there isn't any actual science behind it. Covid is just going to keep mutating and it seems seasonal lockdowns might be a thing and more probable than a forced vaccine program.
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I'm not sure why there's such a large push for vaccine mandates when the vaccine works on an individual basis. Whether someone else gets vaccinated has no effect on you, yet they expect you to talk around triple masked after vaxxed, or might impose regulation on businesses when case counts go up? It's nonsense, and there isn't any actual science behind it. Covid is just going to keep mutating and it seems seasonal lockdowns might be a thing and more probable than a forced vaccine program.

Almost 5 million deaths till now (99% of them unvaccinated), and you still think that mandatory vaccination is a bad idea? And I disagree with your first part. Whether someone else get vaccinated or not will have a big impact on me. If people in my neighborhood are vaccinated, it will reduce the spread of the pandemic by 95% or more. In my country, only 14% of the population has been completely vaccinated till now. And here on average 200-400 deaths are being reported everyday. I would say that the government is struggling to contain the pandemic, because large sections of the population are refusing to get vaccinated.

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September 18, 2021, 12:41:14 PM
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Most people that have not had any of the vaccines have not had a strong reason to, that's why they are being hypocrites of some sorts.
I too hate such people who don't have a strong reason to not get vaccinated but still spreading hate about vaccination. I respect anyone who doesn't want to get vaccinated but spreading hate and false information is really a plague mentality.

Imagine getting your dream job or finally getting a visa to go to your dream country and its a strong criteria to have been vaccinated or have had at least a shot?
It's more like karma to me than anything else. Imagine spreading lies about vaccination your whole life only to get denied a dream job because of it. I am not sure why there are so many conspiracies against vaccination when these guys were insulting the government's inability to fight the virus spread initially.

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September 18, 2021, 03:16:36 PM
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I'm not sure why there's such a large push for vaccine mandates when the vaccine works on an individual basis. Whether someone else gets vaccinated has no effect on you, yet they expect you to talk around triple masked after vaxxed, or might impose regulation on businesses when case counts go up? It's nonsense, and there isn't any actual science behind it. Covid is just going to keep mutating and it seems seasonal lockdowns might be a thing and more probable than a forced vaccine program.

Almost 5 million deaths till now (99% of them unvaccinated), and you still think that mandatory vaccination is a bad idea? And I disagree with your first part. Whether someone else get vaccinated or not will have a big impact on me. If people in my neighborhood are vaccinated, it will reduce the spread of the pandemic by 95% or more. In my country, only 14% of the population has been completely vaccinated till now. And here on average 200-400 deaths are being reported everyday. I would say that the government is struggling to contain the pandemic, because large sections of the population are refusing to get vaccinated.
those who refuse vaccination do not believe in the existence of this virus or they underestimate this virus. people who know how dangerous this virus is will gladly accept the vaccination. someone who has been vaccinated can still transmit the COVID-19 virus but the chances are lower. I think that the imposition of mandatory vaccination regulations is the right policy so that herd immunity is quickly formed and this pandemic ends.

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those who refuse vaccination do not believe in the existence of this virus or they underestimate this virus. people who know how dangerous this virus is will gladly accept the vaccination. someone who has been vaccinated can still transmit the COVID-19 virus but the chances are lower. I think that the imposition of mandatory vaccination regulations is the right policy so that herd immunity is quickly formed and this pandemic ends.
but I think people who reject vaccines actually don't believe in the existence of covid, but they just need a deeper approach because because of ignorance, feeling unfamiliar, unpredictable, natural, it's very natural for them to react like that because it was claimed when the vaccine started In fact, no one can claim that the vaccination can inhibit the virus.
but if you look at it now and the vaccination has been tested even though it is not 100 percent because in medicine there is no such thing as 100 percent but it is proven effective and there is no reason for them to refuse.

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September 18, 2021, 03:44:25 PM
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I'm not sure why there's such a large push for vaccine mandates when the vaccine works on an individual basis. Whether someone else gets vaccinated has no effect on you, yet they expect you to talk around triple masked after vaxxed, or might impose regulation on businesses when case counts go up? It's nonsense, and there isn't any actual science behind it. Covid is just going to keep mutating and it seems seasonal lockdowns might be a thing and more probable than a forced vaccine program.

They hiding behind the fact that the virus are spreading through airborne and spreading really fast and the only way to protect people from it just with vaccinated. Maybe there are already many people knows that must be something wrong with this pandemic when the virus is spreading so fast and not long after the pandemic starts, the vaccined is created which is so fast if we compared to other vaccine which need a long time research.
So i think this is a new normal that already created by someone and no way to avoid it, just take it as a destiny and live the live a head with no hate.
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September 18, 2021, 04:14:49 PM
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I was one of the first in my age group (18-24) that got vaccinated when the platform launched. I'm not against measures taken towards the dichotomy of vaccinated and unvaccinated people.

Every healthy individual should get vaccinated, I don't see why not, vaccination not only decreases the severity of the illness in case you get infected but also decreases the chance of infection.

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Vaccination is carried out with the aim of creating herd immunity. because the world's government hopes that everyone can be immune to the covid 19 virus. This also has an impact on global economic growth, I think that accelerated vaccination will make the global economy better and the business sector around the world will improve. and this will also have a positive effect on the crypto market

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September 18, 2021, 10:04:59 PM
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I'm not sure why there's such a large push for vaccine mandates when the vaccine works on an individual basis. Whether someone else gets vaccinated has no effect on you, yet they expect you to talk around triple masked after vaxxed, or might impose regulation on businesses when case counts go up? It's nonsense, and there isn't any actual science behind it. Covid is just going to keep mutating and it seems seasonal lockdowns might be a thing and more probable than a forced vaccine program.

Because reducing the number of infection vectors is a major part of defeating the virus.  The more people who are vaccinated, the fewer bodies the virus can propagate in.  Vaccines, masking, social distance- all three of these reduce infections.  It's insane at this point there are still people who don't understand how this works, but that's exactly why the world is still as bad off as it is- people who question why vaccines are necessary or why there are mask mandates.  You're very clearly part of the problem.

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I'm not sure why there's such a large push for vaccine mandates when the vaccine works on an individual basis. Whether someone else gets vaccinated has no effect on you, yet they expect you to talk around triple masked after vaxxed, or might impose regulation on businesses when case counts go up? It's nonsense, and there isn't any actual science behind it. Covid is just going to keep mutating and it seems seasonal lockdowns might be a thing and more probable than a forced vaccine program.

Because reducing the number of infection vectors is a major part of defeating the virus.  The more people who are vaccinated, the fewer bodies the virus can propagate in.  Vaccines, masking, social distance- all three of these reduce infections.  It's insane at this point there are still people who don't understand how this works, but that's exactly why the world is still as bad off as it is- people who question why vaccines are necessary or why there are mask mandates.  You're very clearly part of the problem.

And we feel sorry for those who don't understand the difference between unvaccinated person getting the virus vs vaccinated one. It reduces the risk of people dying, as opposed to those who don't want or don't believed in vaccine and its good effect. I've seen people around me dead because they are unvaccinated, just sad but that's the way it is. I'm fully vaccinated now, everyone of us, the whole family and the good thing is that it's free, so I don't understand why there are still people not wanting to get it, until its too late.
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Because reducing the number of infection vectors is a major part of defeating the virus.  The more people who are vaccinated, the fewer bodies the virus can propagate in.  Vaccines, masking, social distance- all three of these reduce infections.  It's insane at this point there are still people who don't understand how this works, but that's exactly why the world is still as bad off as it is- people who question why vaccines are necessary or why there are mask mandates.  You're very clearly part of the problem.

There are two things here. First of all, the vaccinated people have a lower probability of getting the infection. Even with the delta strain, the Moderna vaccine has reported an efficacy of 76%. Other vaccines like AstraZeneca and Sputnik V have also reported >50% efficacy against this strain. And that is the first thing. Secondly, even if someone gets infected after vaccination, he is much less likely to spread the virus to others when compared to the unvaccinated people. So the real impact is not 76%, but much higher than that.

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Because reducing the number of infection vectors is a major part of defeating the virus.  The more people who are vaccinated, the fewer bodies the virus can propagate in.  Vaccines, masking, social distance- all three of these reduce infections.  It's insane at this point there are still people who don't understand how this works, but that's exactly why the world is still as bad off as it is- people who question why vaccines are necessary or why there are mask mandates.  You're very clearly part of the problem.

There are two things here. First of all, the vaccinated people have a lower probability of getting the infection. Even with the delta strain, the Moderna vaccine has reported an efficacy of 76%. Other vaccines like AstraZeneca and Sputnik V have also reported >50% efficacy against this strain. And that is the first thing. Secondly, even if someone gets infected after vaccination, he is much less likely to spread the virus to others when compared to the unvaccinated people. So the real impact is not 76%, but much higher than that.

Request - do not popularize drugs without proven effectiveness. This is me talking about Sputnik 5, which since the creation of this so-called "vaccine", in no way has been able to provide a standard set of data for certification, and even under a simplified scheme. Moreover, the other day even the President of Russia officially said that he was retiring for self-isolation, after it turned out that one of the entourage was vaccinated Sputnik 5, but got sick, because the satellite's effectiveness is "not yet confirmed." Several other high-ranking officials from the Russian Federation, having been vaccinated, died as a result of the disease Covid19 - the data is available in open sources. Therefore, this brew cannot be called a vaccine, and any advertisement for it cannot be created. There is a list of vaccines accepted in the world, whose effect is proven, and they are available on the market.

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September 19, 2021, 01:22:43 PM
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Because reducing the number of infection vectors is a major part of defeating the virus.  The more people who are vaccinated, the fewer bodies the virus can propagate in.  Vaccines, masking, social distance- all three of these reduce infections.  It's insane at this point there are still people who don't understand how this works, but that's exactly why the world is still as bad off as it is- people who question why vaccines are necessary or why there are mask mandates.  You're very clearly part of the problem.

There are two things here. First of all, the vaccinated people have a lower probability of getting the infection. Even with the delta strain, the Moderna vaccine has reported an efficacy of 76%. Other vaccines like AstraZeneca and Sputnik V have also reported >50% efficacy against this strain. And that is the first thing. Secondly, even if someone gets infected after vaccination, he is much less likely to spread the virus to others when compared to the unvaccinated people. So the real impact is not 76%, but much higher than that.
Vaccination program has become mandatory by now because its the most proven solution not to get infected with the virus. And if he will be infected, the symptoms are not that strong compared to non- vaccinated people. So i don't see any valid reasons that people should not comply with it. But if a certain individual will really stand on his decision not to be vaccinated, then let's just respect his decision.

I also think some people refuse to be vaccinated because of the thought that they own their body so they have all  the right to take responsibility on it. If they think that their immune system is strong enough to fight the virus, then it will be a big trouble if medical practitioners still force them to do so.

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Because reducing the number of infection vectors is a major part of defeating the virus.  The more people who are vaccinated, the fewer bodies the virus can propagate in.  Vaccines, masking, social distance- all three of these reduce infections.  It's insane at this point there are still people who don't understand how this works, but that's exactly why the world is still as bad off as it is- people who question why vaccines are necessary or why there are mask mandates.  You're very clearly part of the problem.

There are two things here. First of all, the vaccinated people have a lower probability of getting the infection. Even with the delta strain, the Moderna vaccine has reported an efficacy of 76%. Other vaccines like AstraZeneca and Sputnik V have also reported >50% efficacy against this strain. And that is the first thing. Secondly, even if someone gets infected after vaccination, he is much less likely to spread the virus to others when compared to the unvaccinated people. So the real impact is not 76%, but much higher than that.
The most important is that it decreases the severity of the illness, supposing you get infected. However, I'm a living example of someone who was in close contact with a confirmed case, I am vaccinated, and he isn't. Despite the long hours and being in an indoor area, I wasn't infected. Got tested multiple times throughout the week as well.

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The most important is that it decreases the severity of the illness, supposing you get infected. However, I'm a living example of someone who was in close contact with a confirmed case, I am vaccinated, and he isn't. Despite the long hours and being in an indoor area, I wasn't infected. Got tested multiple times throughout the week as well.

I have the same opinion as well. Got my second dose of the Pfizer vaccine in May 2021 and I have managed to stay uninfected. Here in my country, there is no noticeable opposition to the vaccination program (unlike the case with some of the other countries). And as a result, the average number of daily deaths have remained in the 0 to 1 range for the last many months. However, since the emergence of the delta strain, there has been a surge in the number of infections. Used to be in the 20-30 range per day, but now we are witnessing close to 1,000 new cases per day. Still the higher rate of vaccination has managed to prevent the deaths.
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The most important is that it decreases the severity of the illness, supposing you get infected. However, I'm a living example of someone who was in close contact with a confirmed case, I am vaccinated, and he isn't. Despite the long hours and being in an indoor area, I wasn't infected. Got tested multiple times throughout the week as well.

I have the same opinion as well. Got my second dose of the Pfizer vaccine in May 2021 and I have managed to stay uninfected. Here in my country, there is no noticeable opposition to the vaccination program (unlike the case with some of the other countries). And as a result, the average number of daily deaths have remained in the 0 to 1 range for the last many months. However, since the emergence of the delta strain, there has been a surge in the number of infections. Used to be in the 20-30 range per day, but now we are witnessing close to 1,000 new cases per day. Still the higher rate of vaccination has managed to prevent the deaths.
I wish the same thing occurred here too, there's a large amount of people who are against the Covid-19 vaccine. The percentage of fully vaccinated people over 18, is a tad over 60%, which isn't that bad, but certainly not enough to achieve immunity. I've also noticed that the number of deaths are significantly lower, especially in countries with higher vaccination coverage.

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The most important is that it decreases the severity of the illness, supposing you get infected. However, I'm a living example of someone who was in close contact with a confirmed case, I am vaccinated, and he isn't. Despite the long hours and being in an indoor area, I wasn't infected. Got tested multiple times throughout the week as well.

I have the same opinion as well. Got my second dose of the Pfizer vaccine in May 2021 and I have managed to stay uninfected. Here in my country, there is no noticeable opposition to the vaccination program (unlike the case with some of the other countries). And as a result, the average number of daily deaths have remained in the 0 to 1 range for the last many months. However, since the emergence of the delta strain, there has been a surge in the number of infections. Used to be in the 20-30 range per day, but now we are witnessing close to 1,000 new cases per day. Still the higher rate of vaccination has managed to prevent the deaths.
but so far there are still many people who have been vaccinated are still infected with the virus, it's just that the symptoms they experience are mild symptoms. this is a function of vaccination, in addition to reducing the risk of contracting it also reduces the risk of experiencing severe symptoms when even death when infected.
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but so far there are still many people who have been vaccinated are still infected with the virus, it's just that the symptoms they experience are mild symptoms. this is a function of vaccination, in addition to reducing the risk of contracting it also reduces the risk of experiencing severe symptoms when even death when infected.
it needs to be emphasized and needs to be educated to the public because basically this vaccine is not an anti-virus which if we are vaccinated we will avoid the virus, the concept is not like that.
This vaccine is expected to reduce the effects of the existing virus, and it is still possible to be infected even though the risk can be minimized.
but what happens in society is that they have the wrong mindset about the meaning of vaccines where when there are people who have been vaccinated they are free to take any action and feel that they will not be infected, and conversely people who have not been vaccinated see those who have been vaccinated but are still infected will say that the vaccine or not is the same as being infected.

action needs to be taken to make people's mindset change first about vaccines, I think because if they understand, I don't think it will be difficult to vaccinate on a large scale because they already understand this and understand what vaccinations are for.

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Yeah being vaccinated is now a big priority to most advanced countries so much so that people will be required to present their details of being vaccinated to do certain activities,
I think many people are genuinely confused with this situation and have no clue what to do, because they see some of the vaccinated people still contacting the virus and you wonder what is the point of being vaccinated, it is a difficult situation for everyone.
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The most important is that it decreases the severity of the illness, supposing you get infected. However, I'm a living example of someone who was in close contact with a confirmed case, I am vaccinated, and he isn't. Despite the long hours and being in an indoor area, I wasn't infected. Got tested multiple times throughout the week as well.

I have the same opinion as well. Got my second dose of the Pfizer vaccine in May 2021 and I have managed to stay uninfected. Here in my country, there is no noticeable opposition to the vaccination program (unlike the case with some of the other countries). And as a result, the average number of daily deaths have remained in the 0 to 1 range for the last many months. However, since the emergence of the delta strain, there has been a surge in the number of infections. Used to be in the 20-30 range per day, but now we are witnessing close to 1,000 new cases per day. Still the higher rate of vaccination has managed to prevent the deaths.
It is the same where I am currently living, there is no direct opposition to the vaccine, there are some that are not taking the vaccine but it has to do more with ignorance than with any kind of real opposition, however the delta strain is proving to be a real issue, it seems that it is way more contagious which most likely indicates that sooner or later everyone will eventually get it, so the vaccine is key so the symptoms are mild and there are no long term effects once the body beats the disease.

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September 19, 2021, 08:00:35 PM
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The most important is that it decreases the severity of the illness, supposing you get infected. However, I'm a living example of someone who was in close contact with a confirmed case, I am vaccinated, and he isn't. Despite the long hours and being in an indoor area, I wasn't infected. Got tested multiple times throughout the week as well.

I have the same opinion as well. Got my second dose of the Pfizer vaccine in May 2021 and I have managed to stay uninfected. Here in my country, there is no noticeable opposition to the vaccination program (unlike the case with some of the other countries). And as a result, the average number of daily deaths have remained in the 0 to 1 range for the last many months. However, since the emergence of the delta strain, there has been a surge in the number of infections. Used to be in the 20-30 range per day, but now we are witnessing close to 1,000 new cases per day. Still the higher rate of vaccination has managed to prevent the deaths.
It is the same where I am currently living, there is no direct opposition to the vaccine, there are some that are not taking the vaccine but it has to do more with ignorance than with any kind of real opposition, however the delta strain is proving to be a real issue, it seems that it is way more contagious which most likely indicates that sooner or later everyone will eventually get it, so the vaccine is key so the symptoms are mild and there are no long term effects once the body beats the disease.
The more a virus mutates, the more contagious it becomes, however, when that occurs, it usually becomes less deadly. Vaccines still work with the Delta variant, but let's keep in mind that their development started approximately in March, based on the original virus, before new strains started appearing. The virus has taken several twists since then, thus, it's pretty normal that their efficacy has been reduced.


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The most important is that it decreases the severity of the illness, supposing you get infected. However, I'm a living example of someone who was in close contact with a confirmed case, I am vaccinated, and he isn't. Despite the long hours and being in an indoor area, I wasn't infected. Got tested multiple times throughout the week as well.

I have the same opinion as well. Got my second dose of the Pfizer vaccine in May 2021 and I have managed to stay uninfected. Here in my country, there is no noticeable opposition to the vaccination program (unlike the case with some of the other countries). And as a result, the average number of daily deaths have remained in the 0 to 1 range for the last many months. However, since the emergence of the delta strain, there has been a surge in the number of infections. Used to be in the 20-30 range per day, but now we are witnessing close to 1,000 new cases per day. Still the higher rate of vaccination has managed to prevent the deaths.
It is the same where I am currently living, there is no direct opposition to the vaccine, there are some that are not taking the vaccine but it has to do more with ignorance than with any kind of real opposition, however the delta strain is proving to be a real issue, it seems that it is way more contagious which most likely indicates that sooner or later everyone will eventually get it, so the vaccine is key so the symptoms are mild and there are no long term effects once the body beats the disease.
The more a virus mutates, the more contagious it becomes, however, when that occurs, it usually becomes less deadly. Vaccines still work with the Delta variant, but let's keep in mind that their development started approximately in March, based on the original virus, before new strains started appearing. The virus has taken several twists since then, thus, it's pretty normal that their efficacy has been reduced.



Virus mutation is dangerous and there is recorded cases already of lambda variant which is resistant to vaccine and hopefully people should consider that to make their belief shift and take those vaccine as early as now before anything happen so that we will not see more mutation and achieve the goal. But unfortunately many are hard headed believing on hoax if they continue to act like this maybe we cannot end up faster on this miserable life what we experiencing these days.

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September 19, 2021, 08:52:27 PM
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Yeah being vaccinated is now a big priority to most advanced countries so much so that people will be required to present their details of being vaccinated to do certain activities,
I think many people are genuinely confused with this situation and have no clue what to do, because they see some of the vaccinated people still contacting the virus and you wonder what is the point of being vaccinated, it is a difficult situation for everyone.
Even now vaccine is must for all adults in most of the countries and many already adopting this very quickly because now space is going too tight for them those are living without this vaccine but few doubts still around the world about vaccine result because I read in few countries many peoples facing this virus even they have vaccine.

We are also had very stuck policy about this now percentage is rising for vaccinated peoples because you are not able to do anything without vaccine so peoples going to this even they are not satisfied or feeling good about this all.
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It is recommended that we get vaccinated in order to prevent the virus from spreading and mutating. It's terrifying for a virus to have multiple variants because we can't know if the vaccine we're using now is still effective, and if it isn't, we'll have to develop a new one, which may be more difficult for our bodies and have potentially dangerous side effects. I was initially hesitant to get vaccinated since we were unsure about it, but it appears that we must do so as soon as possible because the virus is also acting quickly.
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but so far there are still many people who have been vaccinated are still infected with the virus, it's just that the symptoms they experience are mild symptoms. this is a function of vaccination, in addition to reducing the risk of contracting it also reduces the risk of experiencing severe symptoms when even death when infected.

No vaccine can be 100% effective against virus, because it mutates so rapidly. And in case of vaccines against COVID 19, some of the vaccines have reported efficacy of 95% to 97%. This is as good as it gets. Even I would have liked a vaccine that is 100% effective. But since that is not available, we need to go with the best available alternative. At least during the initial phases, a lot of people were taking this pandemic lightly. I personally heard from some that the virus is similar to common cold. But I am sure that their opinions could have changed, after almost 4.7 million individuals died from it.

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The vaccination is becoming a criteria indeed and it must be also. Without vaccines, the probability of being taken into intensive care is rising very quickly. Because in that case, our immune system is having a big difficulty in fighting against the virus. And we have even deadlier variants now. We have no choice other than being vaccinated if we care about our life. There is no meaning in being anti-vaxxer.
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The vaccination is becoming a criteria indeed and it must be also. Without vaccines, the probability of being taken into intensive care is rising very quickly. Because in that case, our immune system is having a big difficulty in fighting against the virus. And we have even deadlier variants now. We have no choice other than being vaccinated if we care about our life. There is no meaning in being anti-vaxxer.

With the original strain, it was OK to remain unvaccinated. It had a mortality rate of around 0.1% for those who are below 50 years of age (those without comorbidities). But the delta and other strains have changed the situation. The mortality rate for the elderly remains the same as it was before. But for younger people, it has increased by 50x to 100x, from 0.1% to somewhere between 5% to 10% (these numbers are based on my study on the data from India). So I would request everyone, irrespective of their age to get vaccinated.
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I now see a situation that the world is changing and is coming to a level where if you don't have a covid-19 vaccination clearence or means to verify that you have been vaccinated or have received the latest jab of the vaccine, you won't be allowed to buy or sell. I had in my mind that face mask was going to play this "devil's advocate" but no, the vaccination is getting serious with huge restrictions and therefore looking like it is the devil's advocate.

Apart from the many countries that have been making public statement about the need and compulsory nature of taking the vaccine, I heard in the news barely 24 hours ago about America making it mandatory for big company owners to be vaccinated and show a prove of vaccination of their employees. This is more serious with America taking such steps to ensure compliance , more countries will follow this direction and gradually it will get to smaller businesses, SMEs and then to restrictions on entering banks, malls, fuels stations and etc which will replace face mask. Covid-19 Vaccination is becoming a serious phenomenon and even in Africa and Nigeria, it has started gaining grounds even as the doubt of its existence or and severity is still in doubt from larger percentage of the population.

It's not really impossible for countries to later require covid-19 vaccines to their citizens to be able to do the things they are used to doing prior to the pandemic. Right now, every country has a specific target population to achieve herd immunity from the virus. I think if their targeted population won't be achieved by the time they have set, it's possible for them to impose mandatory vaccination for every individual. Although maybe this would be enclosed to those people who have jobs and maybe for the students. Who knows? The government of each country is to decide for that. We just have to wait like we always do. Hopefully, we will overcome this just like other countries that are back to normal now.
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Many countries have made mandatory vaccination as the main condition so that people can return to normal activities and vaccinate to achieve herd immunity, these countries are France, Italy and the United States, I think in the near future this policy will be implemented in all countries so that no options other than vaccination.
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Covid-19 vaccination has been a crucial process for us to be able to live normally in the world. Without vaccination, we will be open for any kind of threat and we will endanger other people also. And this vaccination process has a critical role in the economy of a country too. Because thanks to the vaccination, people are able to go back to their workplaces and continue to produce and develop things more effectively. And this will help the country to get close to its usual process too.
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Got my 2nd dose today with pfizer. Here in my place there are lot of discounts in every store like there are gasoline stations that has discounts in every liter you purchase for vacinnated person. There are also few restaurants. I think private sectors are getting or pushing people to get vaccinated
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Got my 2nd dose today with pfizer. Here in my place there are lot of discounts in every store like there are gasoline stations that has discounts in every liter you purchase for vacinnated person. There are also few restaurants. I think private sectors are getting or pushing people to get vaccinated

The problem with Pfizer is that the efficacy of the vaccine wanes after 5-6 months. A recent study found that the efficacy of Pfizer reduces to just 42%, after five months (compared to this, Moderna fares much better and it has a 76% efficacy after 5 months). Then you need to get a booster dose to remain protected against COVID. This is one of the disadvantages for mRNA vaccines, when compared to Non-Replicating Viral Vector types. On the other hand, the overall efficacy of vaccines like AstraZeneca (AZD1222) may be lower, but they offer protection for a much longer duration.  
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Got my 2nd dose today with pfizer. Here in my place there are lot of discounts in every store like there are gasoline stations that has discounts in every liter you purchase for vacinnated person. There are also few restaurants. I think private sectors are getting or pushing people to get vaccinated

The problem with Pfizer is that the efficacy of the vaccine wanes after 5-6 months. A recent study found that the efficacy of Pfizer reduces to just 42%, after five months (compared to this, Moderna fares much better and it has a 76% efficacy after 5 months). Then you need to get a booster dose to remain protected against COVID. This is one of the disadvantages for mRNA vaccines, when compared to Non-Replicating Viral Vector types. On the other hand, the overall efficacy of vaccines like AstraZeneca (AZD1222) may be lower, but they offer protection for a much longer duration.  
In addition, scientists and researchers have also found that there is a possible link between the Pfizer vaccine and heart problems myocarditis.
This side effect of the Pfizer vaccine tends to affect men ages 16 to 30, but the risk is higher between the ages of 16 and 19.
but even so, Pfizer said in a statement that it was aware of the researchers' observations of cases of myocarditis and said there was no causal link with the vaccine.
but still this is one of the things that makes it happen

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My acquaintances fell ill. The whole family - husband, wife, child (my godson, now we support him, because he lives alone), mother-in-law ... The whole family was opposed to vaccinations, protective masks, and believed that Covid-19 is all a world conspiracy and vaccination = microchipping for remote control by people (!!!). It would be funny if it weren't sad. The mother-in-law, who said that all this is a conspiracy of the imperialists, and that everything is treated with herbs, is in intensive care with a very bad prognosis. The child (14 years old) is the easiest to endure, but his condition is not very good. Husband and wife (48-50 years old) are in the hospital, the condition is of moderate severity. But they knew about all the world conspiracies ...

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September 23, 2021, 04:38:17 AM
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My acquaintances fell ill. The whole family - husband, wife, child (my godson, now we support him, because he lives alone), mother-in-law ... The whole family was opposed to vaccinations, protective masks, and believed that Covid-19 is all a world conspiracy and vaccination = microchipping for remote control by people (!!!). It would be funny if it weren't sad. The mother-in-law, who said that all this is a conspiracy of the imperialists, and that everything is treated with herbs, is in intensive care with a very bad prognosis. The child (14 years old) is the easiest to endure, but his condition is not very good. Husband and wife (48-50 years old) are in the hospital, the condition is of moderate severity. But they knew about all the world conspiracies ...

The same story.. people opposed to vaccination getting infected. Now after two years, they should have known about the truth. Billions have been vaccinated till now and hardly any one is suffering from the side effects. But the propaganda against vaccine is still being spread. Even now, I receive WhatsApp messages once in a while. They claim that if you take the vaccine, then you may end up impotent. Some messages claim that even if you get infected with COVID, you should not get admitted to hospitals. They claim that organs are being stolen from COVID patients. Unfortunately a lot of people believe these unsubstantiated rumors.
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September 23, 2021, 08:19:26 AM
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I just received my 2nd dose of Moderna a few hours ago and I’ll have to wait 2 more weeks before declared fully vaccinated. I’m gonna expect some mild symptoms later or tomorrow such as fever/chills, fatigue, weakness, body pain, soreness of the injected part, etc. I also got a free upsize of the frappe drink I’ve ordered as I have presented my vaccination proof card.

In my 1st dose a month ago, I did experienced these symptoms but only lasted for a day. It means that my antibodies are responding well, and I expect that I will experience the same thing later or so. I had no problem getting a rest for a while.

Yes I know this is pure marketing stuff for most businesses and companies to encourage us to get vaccinated. Although that it’s not mandatory for us to get vaccinated here in the Philippines, it’s just that this is the reality now of being vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

At first, I was hesitant because of the side effects of these vaccines, especially the blood clot cases in Astrazeneca. But I am more scared of Delta variant as it’s the dominant one right here in the Philippines. Even healthy and younger ones have died of COVID-19 due to being unvaccinated compared to their parents who are at their senior level.

Even if I catch the COVID-19 virus, I won’t get hospitalized because the vaccine prevents me from getting a severe condition. Got no problem being quarantined or isolated as long I’m not getting a severe condition.

My travel requirements would be lessen thanks to the COVID-19 vaccination card, if I wanted to travel somewhere for business or work purposes.

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September 23, 2021, 03:14:59 PM
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Many countries have made mandatory vaccination as the main condition so that people can return to normal activities and vaccinate to achieve herd immunity, these countries are France, Italy and the United States, I think in the near future this policy will be implemented in all countries so that no options other than vaccination.
I think all countries nowadays have made vaccines a requirement for normal life. but the time to reach 70% each country is different because the population and the level of public awareness of a country are different. in the area where I live vaccinations are going very slowly because most people in my area are affected by fake news about vaccinations.

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Many countries have made mandatory vaccination as the main condition so that people can return to normal activities and vaccinate to achieve herd immunity, these countries are France, Italy and the United States, I think in the near future this policy will be implemented in all countries so that no options other than vaccination.

My country is also going that way, to get public services, citizens must be vaccinated, now we have entered the second stage of vaccination, although there are many obstacles but the government's goal by vaccinating is to protect its citizens so that they are immediately free and immune from covid.



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September 23, 2021, 03:48:25 PM
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Many countries have made mandatory vaccination as the main condition so that people can return to normal activities and vaccinate to achieve herd immunity, these countries are France, Italy and the United States, I think in the near future this policy will be implemented in all countries so that no options other than vaccination.
I think all countries nowadays have made vaccines a requirement for normal life. but the time to reach 70% each country is different because the population and the level of public awareness of a country are different. in the area where I live vaccinations are going very slowly because most people in my area are affected by fake news about vaccinations.
Fake news isn't the only reason vaccinations don't go well. lack of public awareness about the importance of vaccination is another cause of not going well vaccination. the government must actively provide education about the importance of vaccination so that everyone knows how important vaccination is.
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September 23, 2021, 07:41:46 PM
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Got my 2nd dose today with pfizer. Here in my place there are lot of discounts in every store like there are gasoline stations that has discounts in every liter you purchase for vacinnated person. There are also few restaurants. I think private sectors are getting or pushing people to get vaccinated

The problem with Pfizer is that the efficacy of the vaccine wanes after 5-6 months. A recent study found that the efficacy of Pfizer reduces to just 42%, after five months (compared to this, Moderna fares much better and it has a 76% efficacy after 5 months). Then you need to get a booster dose to remain protected against COVID. This is one of the disadvantages for mRNA vaccines, when compared to Non-Replicating Viral Vector types. On the other hand, the overall efficacy of vaccines like AstraZeneca (AZD1222) may be lower, but they offer protection for a much longer duration.  

Then get the needed booster after 5 months, problem solved. Doesn't matter was vaccines you got, as long as you have the protection against covid and it's variants, it's better as compare to not getting any vaccine at all because you don't want to. So there's no advantage or disadvantage, I'm sure the government are more willing or if getting a booster will cost some money, then do it. Now kids are the next demographics to be vaccinated (age 12-17) and hopefully it will be roll out in the coming months, so that when they go face to face in school, they are protected. Or this could be mandated by any schools and universities before allowing any students to go again in schools.

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