Do you think Lightlord behavior is acceptable?

[Poker Player]

I know that he is an old, well-known member of the forum, and that, for example, in the past there have already been problems of this kind, in which The Pharmacist left him negative trust, later changing it to neutral when he paid.

Two things are happening today:

1) Excessively long delays in signature campaign payments, and
2) Delays in allowing withdrawals from casinos. You can see several cases of even weeks in the official thread.
3) Not paying his moderators or at least to do so on time, as promised, and again fail to communicate with them. (Edited to add this point on 10/21/2021 due to feedback left by trandhidung, later changed to neutral.)

When I started with the campaign, there was already a delay of about 5 weeks in paying us, then it went up to 6, then 7. Someone who had been with the campaign for a long time explained that in principle the payments were supposed to be weekly, but it usually took 2 weeks to pay, then 3, then 4.

It has to be said that when he pays with a backdated payment he gives a small bonus. The longer the delay the bigger the bonus.

In the end I left the campaign because I found a better one and I am still waiting to be paid for two weeks from 10-11 weeks ago.

In the middle of this, the campaign manager announced that the payments would be bimonthly. Something that I thought was not going to solve anything, because a person who pays you at 6-7 or 8 weeks when he has to pay you weekly, if he has to pay you every two months nothing guarantees that he is not going to do it every 3 or 4 months.

Now also, Lightlord has not logged in to the forum since September 26th. He might have had some personal problem or something but he should have left someone in charge. In a licensed regulated fiat casino, that would not happen.

Anyway, it seems that the man is like that and takes a long time to pay although he always pays in the end but I understand that his behavior is at least morally questionable.

I don't know what you think.

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[borovichok]

This is unethical activity. The rules, in my opinion, should always be the rules. I realize the lightlord campaign is one of the oldest on the forum, but if you recruited someone for a weekly work, why pay him after 2-3 weeks? That's a contract violation; since you have a campaign manager, why not delegate payment duty to him? I'm not sure, but I believe that's why Hhambuz abandoned the campaign. It's past time for his sig participants to speak up. I see he launched a token while also running two gambling sites, guy you can't do it all by yourself. Now I see why his campaign is one of the worst around; it's always open since no one wants to stay.

[YOSHIE]

Chronology and actual situation for now possible: @CryptopreneurBrainboss, knows better, what happened to: @Lightlord, all this time, I think at least @Lightlord told @CBs, where, and how he is now, the reason is simple for now @CBs, trusted for @Lightlord campaign.

Payment issues, 1-4 weeks, in lump sum payout, maybe I don't know much about that and also the campaigns: BITVEST and 777Coin, I've never been a participant, My response, the factor that causes payments up to two months at a time, is because weekly payments are too low in BTC for participants, can't be sent, high fees, higher shipping costs than income, maybe.

In my opinion, you should ask @CBs directly, the real situation, of course my talk doesn't touch on the neutral left by: @The Pharmacist, that's another story, he knows better to turn negative to neutral.

[isaac_clarke22]

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CB will pause the campaign after this current round, in case that the previous rounds were not processed/paid yet which is likely.
It is the best thing to do for now.

Lightlord hasn't been active for 10days now, last active was on the 26th so that means he hasn't been seeing all the messages I have been sending since last 10days. Hopefully when he comes online he sees the message but if this continues until this rounds end that means I'll have to pause campaign until all previous payment are processed.

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If I recall correctly, I also have two unpaid rounds when I left the campaign.
Edit: It was Round 137 and Round 138.

[Wakate]

You have done well to write about his lapses and why this keeps on happening. Someone should try to alert us about what's happening, although I don't know is present situation maybe his sick or not but it will be okay if anyone knows his telegram or Instagram handle so that we can know his present status not judging blinding without obvious information about what could have gone wrong.

[LoyceV]

I don't know what you think.

My take: if the people involved don't create a scam accusation or leave negative feedback, I'd say users who aren't directly involved shouldn't bother about this either.

[Stalker22]

I participated in the Bitvest campaign for a few months, and I can say that this was one of my main objections. Uncertainty. I never knew when and if I would get paid for the work. In my opinion, that's not a good approach, no matter how big or small the campaign, how long it runs or who runs it.

As in RL, when someone is hired to do a specific job and signs a contract, the moment the job is done, the money is no longer yours, but theirs, and you are obliged to compensate them for their work.

@LoyceV, I think everyone has a right to their opinion in a public forum, especially if asked by the OP.

[DaveF]

I don't know what you think.

My take: if the people involved don't create a scam accusation or leave negative feedback, I'd say users who aren't directly involved shouldn't bother about this either.

I agree with this, if the people in the campaign don't care why should we?
If the campaign thread was willed with dozens of people screaming where is my money, then I can see a discussion being needed.
There are a few of them, but from a quick look it appeared most people were if not O.K. with it, at least not stressed out and screaming about it.

As for the casino payouts being delayed, that is a different discussion and Lightlord should be addressing those issues.

-Dave

[Timelord2067]

Yes, I've got to admit I found it unacceptable that the 777coin signature campaign went from weekly to fortnightly then started dragging on from their without any official explanation, or even response to repeated inquiries from more senior participants.  I too found a new signature campaign and moved on - and I have sympathies to those who are still awaiting payment.

My advice to anyone looking to join ANY SigCamp:  Choose more carefully which campaign you join - especially if it is well documented that the Campaign doesn't pay in a timely manor.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

He’s done it many times before, I remember a few years back it was a 12-13 week delay. It was actually me who PM’d The Pharmacist to get involved & try to help. I wasn’t a DT Member back then so I was really frustrated at not being paid so I reached out to The Pharmacist.

lightlord only paid once he received negative trust from The Pharmacist.

Inexcusable to be honest, some people in poorer countries rely on signature campaign pay to help them live.

I posted about this in 2018 & it seems like nothing has improved.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1545750.msg48445302#msg48445302

I would suggest people remove their 777Coin avatars & sigs, don’t give him free advertising.
I assume he’s pulling the same thing with his Bitvest posters too.

[Stalker22]

I would suggest people remove their 777Coin avatars & sigs, don’t give him free advertising.
I assume he’s pulling the same thing with his Bitvest posters too.

We cannot expect many to take this step and to risk losing their position in the campaign, especially if, as you mentioned, it represents a significant source of income for some of them. Due to their unique Tier-based system, many participants had to work for months, and some even for years, to earn their positions on the list.

I believe the campaign manager should take responsibility for this and make a decision.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I would suggest people remove their 777Coin avatars & sigs, don’t give him free advertising.
I assume he’s pulling the same thing with his Bitvest posters too.

We cannot expect many to take this step and to risk losing their position in the campaign, especially if, as you mentioned, it represents a significant source of income for some of them. Due to their unique Tier-based system, many participants had to work for months, and some even for years, to earn their positions on the list.

I believe the campaign manager should take responsibility for this and make a decision.

Are there sufficient funds in the escrow address to pay participants?
I’m on the road, only have mobile use so difficult to check.

Edit - And who is the campaign manager?

Edit 2 - Seems it’s all on lightlord, the campaign manager doesn’t process the payments.

Lightlord hasn't been active for 10days now, last active was on the 26th so that means he hasn't been seeing all the messages I have been sending since last 10days. Hopefully when he comes online he sees the message but if this continues until this rounds end that means I'll have to pause campaign until all previous payment are processed.

As usual, I'm not incharge of payment, I Hope you all know that by now, if I have access to that, it should be processed weekly or bimonthly depending on the schedule. I'm hire to manage campaign via updating spreadsheet and counting/observing participants post/works which I do to my best of knowledge.

As always there'll be bonus when payout are been made by Lightlord and on his behalf I apologized for the delay, immediately he's online I'm pretty sure he'll do the needed.

Regrads,
Brainboss Management service.

I’m happy to give lightlord neg trust if he doesn’t pay in the next 2-3 weeks.

[Poker Player]

My take: if the people involved don't create a scam accusation or leave negative feedback, I'd say users who aren't directly involved shouldn't bother about this either.

I agree with this, if the people in the campaign don't care why should we?
If the campaign thread was willed with dozens of people screaming where is my money, then I can see a discussion being needed.
There are a few of them, but from a quick look it appeared most people were if not O.K. with it, at least not stressed out and screaming about it.

Just to clarify that although I am no longer part of the campaign, I am somehow involved because I have been owed two weeks for more than two months. We are quite a few people in this situation, we left the sig campaign when the rates went down about two months ago, but he still owes us money. As for those who are still in those campaigns (there are two, 777 and Bitvest), there are some complaints, but I guess they don't make much noise first because they know that although it takes time, they end up paying, and I suppose for fear that complaining too much might end up working against them. .

As for the casino payouts being delayed, that is a different discussion and Lightlord should be addressing those issues.

You and LoiceV know more about how reputation and Trust works on this forum than I do but to me they seem like two facts that at least seem morally questionable of the reputation of the same person.

Regarding this fact, there was the case of a member who had invested a considerable amount in Bitvest's Banrkoll. When he went to withdraw it, it took him three weeks or more and he said he had had problems with his wife about it. In another case, someone won a good amount and because the withdrawal took a long time to process he ended up gambling and losing it all.

I think I'll leave neutral feedback reflecting this for the time being.

Edit - And who is the campaign manager?

Edit 2 - Seems it’s all on lightlord, the campaign manager doesn’t process the payments.

As you have seen, Brainboss is the campaign manager and I think the opinion of the vast majority of us is that he is an excellent campaign manager. Besides the fact that he, effectively, does not have access to the funds. It is Lightlord who makes the payments.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

@Poker Player

Let’s give lightlord a week or two & if he doesn’t pay up I will paint him red. What do you think?
Please remind me if I forget.

You could start a flag if you are financially affected by him (he owes you pay).

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Now also, Lightlord has not logged in to the forum since September 26th. He might have had some personal problem or something but he should have left someone in charge.

Same old, same old.  I would never join a campaign that he's in charge of, unless he hired a very reputable manager, of which there are only a handful on the forum.  Last time he had Lutpin run his campaigns, you know what happened--a similar thing to what you described in the OP.

Campaign managers that don't respect their participants annoy me to no end, and that includes late payments.  They have a job and the participants have a job, even though there's no contract, and I think the relationship ought to function like a RL employer-employee one, where it would be unacceptable to hand out a paycheck late.  That's especially important at a time like this, when bitcoin is being very volatile.  A delay in payment of even 12  hours could mean that the participant loses a lot of purchasing power.  Bitcoin is money, right?

Props to Foxpup and DarkStar_, by the way.  

Let’s give lightlord a week or two & if he doesn’t pay up I will paint him red. What do you think?

No offense, but that's the absolute opposite tactic you should take.  The participants should stand in a united front and demand payment immediately.  That way there would be no chance of retaliation, unless he decided to fire all of you at the same time.  I understand that's the reason why most campaign participants don't complain.  Hopefully that's the reason and not that they're all satisfied to be treated like suckers.

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

Inexcusable to be honest, some people in poorer countries rely on signature campaign pay to help them live.

I don't think that a signature campaign payout is enough for someone who lives in a poor country, I am from one of that and I can attest that it's not enough money even if I go for the maximum amount post per week. Signature campaign is just a side hustle and shouldn't be treated as a job. As for @lightlord, I think that there's going to be some level of tolerance before things go sideways and I think that @lightlord owes us explanation for the long absence and the prolonged delays in payment. Personally, I don't mind the delays as long as they pay but I understand that we're not all the same so it's best if there's action to be done.

[Poker Player]

@Poker Player

Let’s give lightlord a week or two & if he doesn’t pay up I will paint him red. What do you think?
Please remind me if I forget.

You could start a flag if you are financially affected by him (he owes you pay).

I have left neutral feedback for the moment, but reflecting these facts. Yes, let's give it a couple of weeks.

Campaign managers that don't respect their participants annoy me to no end, and that includes late payments.  They have a job and the participants have a job, even though there's no contract, and I think the relationship ought to function like a RL employer-employee one, where it would be unacceptable to hand out a paycheck late.  That's especially important at a time like this, when bitcoin is being very volatile.  A delay in payment of even 12  hours could mean that the participant loses a lot of purchasing power.  Bitcoin is money, right?

Hey The Pharmacist, I agree with you, but I think that here when you say "campaign manager" you should say "campaign owner", because the campaign manager is Brainboss and his behavior has been excellent. Another thing is Lightlord's.

[electronicash]

Now also, Lightlord has not logged in to the forum since September 26th. He might have had some personal problem or something but he should have left someone in charge.

Same old, same old.  I would never join a campaign that he's in charge of, unless he hired a very reputable manager, of which there are only a handful on the forum.  Last time he had Lutpin run his campaigns, you know what happened--a similar thing to what you described in the OP.

Campaign managers that don't respect their participants annoy me to no end, and that includes late payments.  They have a job and the participants have a job, even though there's no contract, and I think the relationship ought to function like a RL employer-employee one, where it would be unacceptable to hand out a paycheck late.  That's especially important at a time like this, when bitcoin is being very volatile.  A delay in payment of even 12  hours could mean that the participant loses a lot of purchasing power.  Bitcoin is money, right?

Props to Foxpup and DarkStar_, by the way. 

Let’s give lightlord a week or two & if he doesn’t pay up I will paint him red. What do you think?

No offense, but that's the absolute opposite tactic you should take.  The participants should stand in a united front and demand payment immediately.  That way there would be no chance of retaliation, unless he decided to fire all of you at the same time.  I understand that's the reason why most campaign participants don't complain.  Hopefully that's the reason and not that they're all satisfied to be treated like suckers.

Brainboss is running the campaign well though. even posted just recently to pause the campaign if lightlord does login yet. it was said that he is sick as said in this thread . sick is too general but it explains the long absence but maybe just a few minutes of his day to respond here.

no participants have come here to complain though. but this i guess is because lightlord had run the campaign for a time.

[Little Mouse]

I would never join a campaign that he's in charge of, unless he hired a very reputable manager, of which there are only a handful on the forum.  Last time he had Lutpin run his campaigns, you know what happened--a similar thing to what you described in the OP.

After that Hhampuz managed the campaign for a while but I'm not exactly sure why Hhampuz quit the job. And CB came in. You possibly know recently he has announced about ElonCoin. I am in their discord and telegram group. In discord, DEV said that lightlord is sick and will be back. This is a news from September 16.
It's sad to see how bitvest and 777coin campaign is being run.

[jakdanyel]

Hello guys. First of all, I would like to thank you because you opened this topic while you weren't a participant of the campaign. I can see that CryptopreneurBrainboss has been doing everything he can and he has been managing the campaign really good for a long time. And I think that the decision to pause the campaign is quite appropriate. I hope that lightlord gets well soon if he is having any health problem now. But the most salient point here is this actually: Even if lightlord makes the payments today, the same things will happen one more time in case lightlord disappears again. As far as I know, a gambler who hasn't withdrawn his money from Bitvest for a long time opened a topic about it on the forum. Obviously, the problem is not only about the signature campaign. I think that the current working of Bitvest is harming its credibility. For example, if something bad happens to Steve, we are all sure that none of these problems will happen on Sportsbet.io.