Do you think Lightlord behavior is acceptable?

[nakamura12]

I can tell you for a fact that majority of the participants of the campaign don't care promoting for weeks as they are assured lightlord always pays and again this is the most consistent campaign currently on the forum and still paying in Bitcoin. Well things are looking good now and hopefully we find a way to works out things better for the participants because they deserve better for sticking to this projects for years even though it's not the best paying campaign out there.

Do you have any plans to escrow the funds just like what Hhampuz did before?. I know you are not Hhampuz but in that way participants won't worry anymore of these many weeks not getting paid yet. If I am one of the participants in any of lightlord's sig campaign then I would recommended you to escrow the funds as I am sure you'll do a great job. I know you also managed other campaigns.

I will put in escrow in the campaign, so payment is every week and on time without delay going forward

In my opinion you should definitely escrow 2 to 4 weeks of payments with your campaign manager (brainboss) in advance so that this kind of mishap doesn't happen again.

I would also recommend the campaign's BM CryptopreneurBrainboss to escrow the funds.

[Quickseller]

Any negative trust he receives should be removed once he catches up on payments.

I disagree with that, since this is the second time his campaign participants have had serious issues with payment.  It's just not acceptable behavior, and I thought I was being generous last time by changing my negative to a neutral.  This time I think he's earned a neg, regardless of what reasons or excuses he has for not paying out and not communicating.  Enough is enough with this guy.

If he pays his debt, there is no reason why he should have a negative.

Here I agree more with The Pharmacist. I have left Lightlord neutral feedback for the moment, but I think everyone who deals with him on money matters should be aware of how he behaves.

I am still owed money by Lightlord, Quickseller, I said so on the first page.

The fact that I do you a service and you, who have promised to pay me next week take 4,5, 10 weeks to pay me or more, seems to me at least morally questionable and at least makes me doubt whether I should leave him negative feedback as The Parmacist has done.

Since he's supposedly sick, I'm going to do what I said, wait a couple of weeks and see how it goes.

Well this has been an issue for a while, people have known this is an issue and have continued doing business with him anyway. When he is late paying, he compensates those that he owes by paying extra. I am not sure what else you could ask of him.

In any event, it seems that lightlord has resolved the issue as he has agreed to keep payments in escrow.

It seems that LL has a history of being slow to pay, potentially going back to 2013. He sent a positive trust rating to Nolo indicating he sent a bonus for Nolo having to wait.

When you are running a business and doing business with other businesses, one fact of life is that you will not always be paid on time.

[Timelord2067]

But at the end of the day @quickseller, lightlord said nothing for ten weeks.

As has been said early in this thread, unless you really are on your death bed, then you should be making some sort of statement of intent to pay or not as the case may be.

[Poker Player]

In any event, it seems that lightlord has resolved the issue as he has agreed to keep payments in escrow.

It is not so clear to me that this avoids future problems. The last time there were problems, 3 or 4 years ago, the funds were in escrow and the payments were made by the campaign manager. Imagine that when the escrow is at 0 Lightlor disappears for several weeks. I think something like that happened.

It seems that LL has a history of being slow to pay, potentially going back to 2013. He sent a positive trust rating to Nolo indicating he sent a bonus for Nolo having to wait.

When you are running a business and doing business with other businesses, one fact of life is that you will not always be paid on time.

I remind you that the feedbacks we have left are not for not paying. They are for late payment. When a person takes longer than promised to pay you, you never know if he will finally pay you until he does.

But at the end of the day @quickseller, lightlord said nothing for ten weeks.

As has been said early in this thread, unless you really are on your death bed, then you should be making some sort of statement of intent to pay or not as the case may be.

Yes, it is one of the things that reflects suchmoon's feedback: "fails to communicate". This is not the first time this has happened, as Quickseller says it goes back to at least 2013, so I am not going to change the feedback any time soon, nor do I think any of the others will. When an adult has a certain way of proceeding, it takes a lot to change it.

[UserU]

Yes, it is one of the things that reflects suchmoon's feedback: "fails to communicate". This is not the first time this has happened, as Quickseller says it goes back to at least 2013, so I am not going to change the feedback any time soon, nor do I think any of the others will. When an adult has a certain way of proceeding, it takes a lot to change it.

Exactly. Even if you're a late payer, at least providing updates or some reasonable explanation would soften the impact. If I were a CM, I'd be hesitant to continue a signature campaign if there are no payments after 2 weeks and nothing to inform the participants whatsoever.

Also most of us would expect BrainBoss to be entrusted with the funds given that he's managed multiple campaigns over the years and (supposedly) gained lightlord's trust.

[suchmoon]

It seems that LL has a history of being slow to pay, potentially going back to 2013. He sent a positive trust rating to Nolo indicating he sent a bonus for Nolo having to wait.

When you are running a business and doing business with other businesses, one fact of life is that you will not always be paid on time.

I remind you that the feedbacks we have left are not for not paying. They are for late payment. When a person takes longer than promised to pay you, you never know if he will finally pay you until he does.

Not sure what drugs Quicksy is on today, but being consistently late for long periods of time is contrary to sane expectations in a business deal. Having an eight year history of that kind of behavior is not a good thing.

Gotta say though I'm happy to see that some red trust ratings cured lightlord of whatever his illness was.

[Quickseller]

It seems that LL has a history of being slow to pay, potentially going back to 2013. He sent a positive trust rating to Nolo indicating he sent a bonus for Nolo having to wait.

When you are running a business and doing business with other businesses, one fact of life is that you will not always be paid on time.

I remind you that the feedbacks we have left are not for not paying. They are for late payment. When a person takes longer than promised to pay you, you never know if he will finally pay you until he does.

Not sure what drugs Quicksy is on today, but being consistently late for long periods of time is contrary to sane expectations in a business deal. Having an eight year history of that kind of behavior is not a good thing.

Gotta say though I'm happy to see that some red trust ratings cured lightlord of whatever his illness was.

SSRIs are working quite fine. Thanks for the concern.

Trading partners are well aware of his tendency to change at late. He pays extra when he pays late. Late payments are common when dealing with businesses.

LL pays late but he also compensates for the late payments. If a late payment is a concern, you can look at his neutral trust.

[Poker Player]

Not sure what drugs Quicksy is on today, but being consistently late for long periods of time is contrary to sane expectations in a business deal. Having an eight year history of that kind of behavior is not a good thing.

Gotta say though I'm happy to see that some red trust ratings cured lightlord of whatever his illness was.

LMAO.

Trading partners are well aware of his tendency to change at late. He pays extra when he pays late. Late payments are common when dealing with businesses.

LL pays late but he also compensates for the late payments. If a late payment is a concern, you can look at his neutral trust.

You say trading partners as if the only people who do business with Lightlord are those who have known him all their lives.

When he takes a month to pay people who request a big withdrawal from his casinos does he also give extra money? I ask because I haven't heard anything about that. In the signature campaigns he does. I don't know if it will do much good to the one who ends up losing all his money before the withdrawal becomes effective, if Lightlord gives him some bonus satoshis.

Call me crazy if you want, because I don't know you, but seeing your red trust feedbacks, I think that defending Lightlord is a way of saying that in this forum feedbacks are given unfairly, and therefore your feedbacks were also unfair.

[Timelord2067]

Call me crazy if you want, because I don't know you, but seeing your red trust feedbacks, I think that defending Lightlord is a way of saying that in this forum feedbacks are given unfairly, and therefore your feedbacks were also unfair.

As Spock would say: "only quickseller would go into bat for lightlord at a time like this..."

The person who posted immediately prior to quickseller is just Trolling that person and isn't genuinely interested in helping with your plight.

I'll keep my negative trust feedback of lightlord for the time being - same as everyone else.

Regards,

[examplens]

people, maybe we should slow down a bit.
Yes, he was late with the payment and this is not the first time, but he has been running that campaign for years and why can’t we accept that he had some personal problems in real life? I don't know what the reason is, I don't even want to ask for his explanation for the delay. I guess he has a right to his privacy.
he also did not return and immediately started making excuses and asking for forgiveness. I believe he had a real reason to be absent and that there was no intention of deception here at any time.
running campaign 7+ years and during that time 2 or 3 delays, wherein the end everything paid off, it deserves to be well thought out before a final negative judgment is reached.

something else is the way to run a campaign and not use escrow so far, and here we can give a judgment, that he was not very professional for that.

[Igebotz]

Exactly. Even if you're a late payer, at least providing updates or some reasonable explanation would soften the impact. If I were a CM, I'd be hesitant to continue a signature campaign if there are no payments after 2 weeks and nothing to inform the participants whatsoever.

I believe you missed the most important part of the conversation: both campaigns (777 and Bivest) pay members bi-monthly (8 weeks) and it took them another 2 weeks to wait for L.L to make his late payment as usual, making it a total of 10 weeks without payment.

Also most of us would expect BrainBoss to be entrusted with the funds given that he's managed multiple campaigns over the years and (supposedly) gained lightlord's trust

This is the part I don't understand either

Trading partners are well aware of his tendency to change at late. He pays extra when he pays late. Late payments are common when dealing with businesses.

There is a difference between not having money to pay and having the mindset to always pay your employees whenever they bled out blood with a small bonus to shut them off, No clients would want to be paid late for business or work rendered; . He owns the two longest sig campaigns on the forum, which means he makes a lot of money from it, which is why both campaigns are still running.... LL must show respect.

[Poker Player]

people, maybe we should slow down a bit.

Here you only talk about the sig campaigns. I will remind you of the other point we are talking about:

Two things are happening today:

1) Excessively long delays in signature campaign payments, and
2) Delays in allowing withdrawals from casinos. You can see several cases of even weeks in the official thread.

Regarding this fact (2), there was the case of a member who had invested a considerable amount in Bitvest's Banrkoll. When he went to withdraw it, it took him three weeks or more and he said he had had problems with his wife about it. In another case, someone won a good amount and because the withdrawal took a long time to process he ended up gambling and losing it all.

[suchmoon]

running campaign 7+ years and during that time 2 or 3 delays, wherein the end everything paid off, it deserves to be well thought out before a final negative judgment is reached.

Good point but there is a significant detail here. IIRC Darkstar_ has been late once or twice, and I'm sure other reputable campaigns have had issues. You never see complaints about it because they communicate and don't make people wait for weeks in the dark.

It also has to be noted that no one is jumping to create a type 1 (high risk of losing money) or type 2/3 (contract violation) flags because lightlord does eventually pay after some prodding. However being consistently late to pay what you owe - from what I'm reading it happened more than 2-3 times - should not be considered normal business.

Having said that, I'd be happy to revise my trust rating after 10 campaign payments made on time. I don't really have a way to verify casino withdrawals though, so this is a whole different issue.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

people, maybe we should slow down a bit.

I'm still not in support of the negative feedback and already said it was too quick for this particular situation. I guess either his past behavior is hurting him now or people misunderstand what actual happened. The campaign was changed to bimonthly and I don't alert him of the payment until it was due. This decision was taken by me after delays were observed in the past and payment always came in the 6-7 week.

I informed him of payment been due in the 8week but he wasn't online to process the transaction as a result of the illness issues which immediate he came back he did respond to the thread and it wasn't like it was the red trust that got him speaking.

[UserU]

I believe you missed the most important part of the conversation: both campaigns (777 and Bivest) pay members bi-monthly (8 weeks) and it took them another 2 weeks to wait for L.L to make his late payment as usual, making it a total of 10 weeks without payment.

I should have made myself clear; I was referring to the standard signature campaign that pays out weekly, not 777coin and Bitvest.

[Poker Player]

I don't really have a way to verify casino withdrawals though, so this is a whole different issue.

Yes, of course. It can't be verified in the same way that signature campaign payments can be verified, but if there are still complaints about casino withdrawals, could we verify what the last accusation said?

A "instant cashout" casino where the hotwallet is ALWAYS empty.

I don't know 777coin and Bitvest hot wallets are identified. Signature campaign payments in Bitvest are made from an address containing the word Bitvest.

I'm still not in support of the negative feedback and already said it was too quick for this particular situation. I guess either his past behavior is hurting him now or people misunderstand what actual happened. The campaign was changed to bimonthly and I don't alert him of the payment until it was due. This decision was taken by me after delays were observed in the past and payment always came in the 6-7 week.

Well, and I said that this is not going to solve anything because if a person who has to pay you weekly, pays you after 6-7 weeks, if you tell him to pay you every two months, he can easily take 4 or 5 months to pay you.

I informed him of payment been due in the 8week but he wasn't online to process the transaction as a result of the illness issues which immediate he came back he did respond to the thread and it wasn't like it was the red trust that got him speaking.

Yes, well, I can believe that this time he has been sick, but it is not the first time it has happened, he was already negatively trusted in the past for the same thing, and that time he was not supposedly sick. It happened more or less the same as this time, and that time escrow was used, which is what is supposed to solve the problem from now on.

On the other hand, not logging in to the forum does not mean that you do not read it. I am often logged out and I read it, so we can't be sure that he didn't see what was being said about him without being logged in.

[Timelord2067]

people, maybe we should slow down a bit.
Yes, he was late with the payment and this is not the first time, but he has been running that campaign for years and why can’t we accept that he had some personal problems in real life? I don't know what the reason is, I don't even want to ask for his explanation for the delay. I guess he has a right to his privacy.
he also did not return and immediately started making excuses and asking for forgiveness. I believe he had a real reason to be absent and that there was no intention of deception here at any time.
running campaign 7+ years and during that time 2 or 3 delays, wherein the end everything paid off, it deserves to be well thought out before a final negative judgment is reached.

something else is the way to run a campaign and not use escrow so far, and here we can give a judgment, that he was not very professional for that.

Well... I'm not sure where this person got their information from that I'm about to quote, (but they're on DT2, so it shows up in the trust feedback as "trusted")

ndnh

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if it is to be believed without a reference, lightlord *owns* bitvest.io, so yes, ran hail or shine the buck stops with lightlord to get participants paid on time.  

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I believe you missed the most important part of the conversation: both campaigns (777 and Bivest) pay members bi-monthly (8 weeks)

I should have made myself clear; I was referring to the standard signature campaign that pays out weekly, not 777coin and Bitvest.

They might pay members infrequently, however, they advertise to this day that they pay WEEKLY.

[examplens]

if it is to be believed without a reference, lightlord *owns* bitvest.io, so yes, ran hail or shine the buck stops with lightlord to get participants paid on time. 

Weekly.  As advertised - even now, it says weekly.

I just wanted to point out something completely different. many of us have a regular life outside of online activity, in this case, as far as I followed there were three delays with payment for 7+ years. I tend to believe that there were serious reasons for that.
my father has been sick for the last year, especially the last two months. I missed many things in the meantime and many jobs I didn’t finish or I was late. now that it's all over, I'm trying to fix what I can. something can happen to us that completely affects our regular routine and planned tasks. and it is often particularly difficult to explain the whole situation.

this may be partly the fault of the manager, as @suchmoon says, there were some problems with other campaigns as well, so the manager provided timely information or even stopped the campaign until the owner announces or pays the arrears. some even paid out of their own pockets.
perhaps in case, the manager stopped the campaign after the first week without payments, everything would look different if it was a smaller amount. and perhaps this would cause the campaign owner to activate earlier. yet these are only conjectures

Here you only talk about the sig campaigns. I will remind you of the other point we are talking about:

Two things are happening today:

1) Excessively long delays in signature campaign payments, and
2) Delays in allowing withdrawals from casinos. You can see several cases of even weeks in the official thread.

Yes, I am talking about signature campaigns problems. I have seen the most attacks on lightlord because of it. I have never used these two casinos so I cannot say that I am competent to comment on their business.

[Poker Player]

, as far as I followed there were three delays with payment for 7+ years. I tend to believe that there were serious reasons for that.

You have not followed it very well or you have not understood it well. Let me explain: there have been at least hundreds of payment delays. I was part of that campaign for more than a year and I was paid on time only once out of six or so. As Timelord2067 rightly points out, it is a campaign that still advertises weekly payments. So let's not repeat the falsehood that it has only been three times. There have been hundreds of times over the years and only three times the delay was such that people started to complain a lot and there was a ruckus in the forum.

Yes, I am talking about signature campaigns problems. I have seen the most attacks on lightlord because of it. I have never used these two casinos so I cannot say that I am competent to comment on their business.

Well you are only seeing part of the reality. These are all comments from the last page in the official bitvest.io thread:

...what's important on this thread is the hot wallet of bitvest and that should be the main concern ....

I am also looking for what actually happened to the hotwallet issue but no one seems talking about it...

(This is actually a laugh because there has been a lot of talk about it in the thread, the only thing that has been covered up by people talking about the signature campaign in that thread.)

even a loyal customer will get frustrated if they are waiting for weeks to get their withdrawal to be processed.

The main problem of the hot wallet is basically similar to the campaign issue. When the hot wallet is empty, lightlord seems to be very slow in refilling it so players have to wait for weeks before withdrawal is processed.

But hot wallet and the campaign payments can't be considered as same priority thing, I agree that everyone who is working with their campaign should get paid on time but it has very simple solution just let the campaign manager himself to proceed the payments weekly but handling the hot wallet can be tricky if he is busy amd still don't want to trust anyone.

In my opinion, hot wallet should be the first priority as it is related to their players who are their customers. They may lose their players based if the hot wallet issue is happening really often. As I said in other thread, lightlord should use an escrow for the campaign and trust the escrow to do everything related to the campaign so he can have more time to handle the casino.

In this thread I was asking if Lightlord's behavior is acceptable, pointing out two facts. In the signature campaigns there have been many, many delays, not three. And in the casino there are many people complaining, so if you don't know the problem, and you don't want to investigate what is going on, at least don't try to justify Lightlord.

[FatFork]

I agree with the majority here. This is lightlord's own fault for being in this situation. Someone has commented before that we need to give him some slack since he runs the two longest-running campaigns on the forum and may have also run into some personal issues that caused the delay in payments. I don't think that's the issue here.

Anyone who has ever participated in one of LL's campaigns knows that he has a history of failing to meet his obligations on time. The payments were supposed to be weekly, but he always paid them two or three weeks late. Then conditions changed to two-week payments, so the payment delays increased to 6-7 weeks. Finally, Brainboss introduced the concept of two-month payments in the hope that it would prevent recurring complaints from campaign participants, which led to this situation. Taking that decision was obviously meant to accommodate LL's irresponsible behavior, and I don't see how it was supposed to "make things easier for the participants".