Do you think Lightlord behavior is acceptable?

[meser#]

If we look at it from a different perspective: Lightlord has accepted the this behaviour isn't acceptable by changing some rules on the campaigns. So we got the answer to the main question of the thread with this message

I will put in escrow in the campaign, so payment is every week and on time without delay going forward

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[yahoo62278]

If you run a business there is NO WAY you are not checking on that business semi regularly. If you are responsible for a persons money, you should be available to talk or answer questions about the money or have a representative available to take care of issues for you.

We all appreciate Lightlord for running these campaigns for a long time. He is asking a service from users and should respect those users enough to commit to on time payments. Ask yourselves, if this was a regular job, would you work all week for your employer to say i'll pay you in 6 months? Or if you go to a live casino and win at Blackjack, would you appreciate the dealer calling the floor and them telling you come back next month for your money?

It's a respect issue for me. A small delay of 24 hours or something I suppose is acceptable, but 10 weeks for signature campaign payments is ridiculous. Anything longer then 24 hours on casino withdrawal is ridiculous.

Unless the guy has broken fingers, went blind, or is on a ventilator in the hospital with covid there really is no reason he cannot be more responsible.

[SmokerFace]

It's a respect issue for me. A small delay of 24 hours or something I suppose is acceptable, but 10 weeks for signature campaign payments is ridiculous. Anything longer then 24 hours on casino withdrawal is ridiculous.

C'mon man respect issue? That must be a joke.

I remember you were a campaign manager for NoobBit (yobit) well knowing it was a scam and had many allegations against them in past but you agreed to promote them or say manage their participants.

I'm quite surprised that how easily DT members let you off the hook, I wonder for how long you've seen sucking them, Specially muchmoon & suchgay.

And here I see you talk about respect, which made my day with a burst of laughter.

[yahoo62278]

It's a respect issue for me. A small delay of 24 hours or something I suppose is acceptable, but 10 weeks for signature campaign payments is ridiculous. Anything longer then 24 hours on casino withdrawal is ridiculous.

C'mon man respect issue? That must be a joke.

I remember you were a campaign manager for NoobBit (yobit) well knowing it was a scam and had many allegations against them in past but you agreed to promote them or say manage their participants.

I'm quite surprised that how easily DT members let you off the hook, I wonder for how long you've seen sucking them, Specially muchmoon & suchgay.

And here I see you talk about respect, which made my day with a burst of laughter.

I know you're a troll and obviously not a very intelligent individual, but maybe do some research before you open your mouth unless you are just looking to stir up trouble. Which will only get you this 1 response.

Yobit was managed by me as a lesser of 2 evils. I asked the community, ahead of taking the job, how they would feel. Yobit was gonna run the campaign regardless. At least with me managing the spam level was significantly reduced. I removed over 500 spammers from the campaign in a few months and saved the forum thousands of reports from the morons who would have made those posts. Also, yobit was not promoting their exchange when I was managing, they were promoting their forum.

I know you are not gonna do any research before trying to make yourself look good, but I thought what i wrote was worth mentioning.

[Quickseller]

But at the end of the day @quickseller, lightlord said nothing for ten weeks.

I definitely agree the communication, or the lack thereof is very unprofessional. He has also been barely posting, or not positing for those 10 weeks. I don't know what his setup is for his cold storage wallet, it may very well be that his private keys are stored offsite and needs to travel far to access his private keys. I think the fact that he posted that he will pay participants "within 48 hours" suggests that he does not have immediate access to his private keys (or at least he is trying to project this to be the case). I also don't know his personal situation over the past 10 weeks, and there were reports that he may have been sick.

Regardless of his private key situation, he should have been in better communication with those he owed money to.

Trading partners are well aware of his tendency to change at late. He pays extra when he pays late. Late payments are common when dealing with businesses.

LL pays late but he also compensates for the late payments. If a late payment is a concern, you can look at his neutral trust.

You say trading partners as if the only people who do business with Lightlord are those who have known him all their lives.

You can look at his trust history and see that one of LL's first sent trust ratings mention that he payed his trading partner late.

When he takes a month to pay people who request a big withdrawal from his casinos does he also give extra money? I ask because I haven't heard anything about that.

That I do not know. I would assume that once someone requests a withdrawal, their account balance is immidiately deducted, preventing them from gambling with that balance. I am not sure if it is possible to cancel withdrawals in any of his casinos. It is however common for gamblers to withdraw when they are done gambling for the day, and to deposit again the next day (or a few days later) to gamble more.

[Poker Player]

You can look at his trust history and see that one of LL's first sent trust ratings mention that he payed his trading partner late.

So, what? One case does not make a general rule. There will be people who know what Lightlord looks like and don't care. But people who don't know him don't know how he behaves. For example people who join his signature campaigns for the first time or people who play in his casinos.

When he takes a month to pay people who request a big withdrawal from his casinos does he also give extra money? I ask because I haven't heard anything about that.

That I do not know. I would assume that once someone requests a withdrawal, their account balance is immidiately deducted, preventing them from gambling with that balance.

Your assumption is incorrect, and shows that you did not read the previous page of the thread, and it was not the first time it was mentioned.

By the way, Lightlord has just paid. Just in time. Just shortly before the 48 hours were up. I remember one time he said the 48 hour thing and we had to wait like for 5 days until we got the payment.

Bonus on all the rounds, bigger on the earlier ones

Bonus Sent Round 137-146
Round 137: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/ce630d950d5849134f09fb9346c9eff2cdfd42abbf3b3a6537c1f05f70140291
Round 138: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/f6333022d7c80ba736d779e48ff01889fbe44eb7c1aee577c73beadb248d7cec
Round 139: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/3744029b088bd53e1a3e4ee27bdfd696d101968e4a301b78540f97cbec9e87b0
Round 140: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/d53af920283dc78ab430ad09ef896904e4d390d65d5992d83dccff96f34265a9
Round 141: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/1e9cdf056dd0343c0a0eeb67143541826831dc86b58f9ac0b6c87991b1f18c66
Round 142: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/118443b7cd1f2de226b3f8104b5767d962ab2a0a227ac4191df29a679bcbc3f7
Round 143: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/95cce83c4f36fdd53b6f3f2bcfebdc0f457842212e8fe70c4d9fb8908eb7b134
Round 144: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/08be4ba028344a6f5acf50d33f3401bf69a7ff921e7feeb168c4d81e3578b1ba
Round 145: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/3ffb6f829d4a951566cf2ed48269c13f1b281e402bd52d4bb33b489355b5cced
Round 146: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/9850ae6b058ae4f5947adfbe5616cceb3c21b8763b9408c4c3e6d3c00d3e1925

[LoyceV]

Lightlord has just paid.

I would expect an early adopter to know to avoid dust inputs. Paying for 10 weeks in one transaction would have reduced the fees participants have to pay to consolidate the dust they've received. Such a missed opportunity when paying late anyway.
Take this address for example: 6 inputs, total amount received: 0.00017901 BTC.

It looks like he doesn't have the time, in which case he should just hire a trusted escrow to make payments on time.

I called it

[UmerIdrees]

By the way, Lightlord has just paid. Just in time. Just shortly before the 48 hours were up. I remember one time he said the 48 hour thing and we had to wait like for 5 days until we got the payment.

Lightlord has paid everyone with the bonus. That must be sign of relief for signature campaign participants.

Also this shows that light lord had no intention of any scam but he don't have time as usual. Anyways i see that there is no change in the trust rating for him. I think he don't deserve red tag now and it should be neutral since the matter is resolved now.

[FatFork]

By the way, Lightlord has just paid. Just in time. Just shortly before the 48 hours were up. I remember one time he said the 48 hour thing and we had to wait like for 5 days until we got the payment.

Lightlord has paid everyone with the bonus. That must be sign of relief for signature campaign participants.

Also this shows that light lord had no intention of any scam but he don't have time as usual. Anyways i see that there is no change in the trust rating for him. I think he don't deserve red tag now and it should be neutral since the matter is resolved now.

The matter is resolved for now, but that doesn't mean it won't happen again. If you read carefully, most of those ratings still apply. It remains to be seen whether lightlord will change his business practices on this forum. As suchmoon wrote in his review, "Pretty much the definition of high risk".

	Poker Player		2021-10-12		Reference		Anyone dealing with Lightlord should be aware that he usually takes a long time to pay, both in campaigns and when large withdrawals are requested from their casinos, as explained in the thread. It is something usual for him.
	yahoo62278		2021-10-11		Reference		User is running advertising campaigns for 2 sites on the forum and doesn't respect the users enough to make payments on time. VERY late when he does make the payments. Join his campaigns with the knowledge you may wait months to be paid.
	suchmoon		2021-10-11		Reference		Late to pay sig campaign participants (current delay ~10 weeks), fails to communicate, and this has been going on for years. Pretty much the definition of "high risk".

[LoyceV]

The matter is resolved for now, but that doesn't mean it won't happen again. If you read carefully, most of those ratings still apply. It remains to be seen whether lightlord will change his business practices on this forum. As suchmoon wrote in his review, "Pretty much the definition of high risk".

Question for CryptopreneurBrainboss: Once the campaigns continue, can you post here how many people left because of the late payments? I don't expect many of them to have left, and in that case I assume they don't consider lightlord to be high risk.

[FatFork]

The matter is resolved for now, but that doesn't mean it won't happen again. If you read carefully, most of those ratings still apply. It remains to be seen whether lightlord will change his business practices on this forum. As suchmoon wrote in his review, "Pretty much the definition of high risk".

Question for CryptopreneurBrainboss: Once the campaigns begin, can you post here how many people left because of the late payments? I don't expect many of them to have left, and in that case I assume they don't consider lightlord to be high risk.

Question for CryptopreneurBrainboss: Once the campaigns begin, could you please post here how many posts people have actually made since October 10th?

Let's use Round 146 from the spreadsheet as a reference:

Total Posts Overall:   1289

Bitvest signature campaign participants

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Question for CryptopreneurBrainboss: Once the campaigns begin, can you post here how many people left because of the late payments? I don't expect many of them to have left, and in that case I assume they don't consider lightlord to be high risk.

Many were still willing to participate not minding if they haven't be paid for 10weeks they did have trust in lightlord of always paying. 99% are still willing to promote the campaign and already asking when they can resume both publicly and in DM. When you have proven to be consistent for years naturally you get trusted.

Question for CryptopreneurBrainboss: Once the campaigns begin, could you please post here how many posts people have actually made since October 10th?

The spreadsheet is quite accessible to everyone and you can get whatever data you need from there. The campaign was paused so I don't expect people to make much post and if they did post or didn't, we don't have an issue with that because we aren't paying for those.

Ps: It's no secret that 99% of users on the forum post because they're getting paid.

[suchmoon]

Question for CryptopreneurBrainboss: Once the campaigns begin, can you post here how many people left because of the late payments? I don't expect many of them to have left, and in that case I assume they don't consider lightlord to be high risk.

High risk doesn't necessarily mean that it's not worth the risk for some. Granted the payouts are not large, but some users are getting bonuses, and some have nowhere else to go.

Would you join one of lightlord's campaigns?

[mindrust]

1) Excessively long delays in signature campaign payments, and
2) Delays in allowing withdrawals from casinos. You can see several cases of even weeks in the official thread.

Totally not acceptable. However it can also easily be avoided by not joining any of his sig camps. Not like him? Don't join his sig camps. Obviously he is not scamming anyone. He pays in the end but I wouldn't join a campaign where the manager pays when he is in mood. No. Fuck that. I don't care what the pay rate is. I need consistency.

It is also possible that lightlord collects some kind of interest on people's money. It is doable at freebitco.in. That's not cool. Not cool at all.

[FatFork]

Question for CryptopreneurBrainboss: Once the campaigns begin, could you please post here how many posts people have actually made since October 10th?

The spreadsheet is quite accessible to everyone and you can get whatever data you need from there. The campaign was paused so I don't expect people to make much post and if they did post or didn't, we don't have an issue with that because we aren't paying for those.

Ps: It's no secret that 99% of users on the forum post because they're getting paid.

That may be true, although difficult to confirm. However, 99% of forum users don't make 50-60 posts a week simply because they're getting paid.
I'm not saying that all Bitvest campaign participants are spammers, far from it. I just have a feeling that a significant number of them won't post a single post while the campaign is paused.  

As far as I can tell, not much has changed since we discussed it more than a year ago.

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[Poker Player]

Question for CryptopreneurBrainboss: Once the campaigns begin, can you post here how many people left because of the late payments? I don't expect many of them to have left, and in that case I assume they don't consider lightlord to be high risk.

High risk doesn't necessarily mean that it's not worth the risk for some. Granted the payouts are not large, but some users are getting bonuses, and some have nowhere else to go.

Would you join one of lightlord's campaigns?

Some would not be accepted in other campaigns, as they themselves admit:

Yeah, I think it's not good to pause the campaign right now, that's the right thing to do especially with no other signature campaigns that will accept everyone especially those that have a high standard even though they don't pay that much.

I don't think it is expressed very well but the idea is clear.

If they don't have much hope of getting paid for writing for another campaign, they will usually put up with irregularities in payments, lack of communication and whatever else. The 777coin and Bitvest.io campaigns have been accused several times of being full of shitposters. I wouldn't say as much, but it's clear that campaigns that pay 150 per post in the lowest tier are not going to be full of top quality posters.

For my part, I don't know if LoyceV is saying that we should change the feedbacks if people don't have left, but I'm going to wait for a while to see if

1) People keep complaining about the withdrawals problem. Just today we have another complaint although no proof at the moment.

2) This doesn't happen again:

The payment periods used to be much shorter but they gradually kept making them longer.

[Qunenin]

If you run a business there is NO WAY you are not checking on that business semi regularly. If you are responsible for a persons money, you should be available to talk or answer questions about the money or have a representative available to take care of issues for you.

We all appreciate Lightlord for running these campaigns for a long time. He is asking a service from users and should respect those users enough to commit to on time payments. Ask yourselves, if this was a regular job, would you work all week for your employer to say i'll pay you in 6 months? Or if you go to a live casino and win at Blackjack, would you appreciate the dealer calling the floor and them telling you come back next month for your money?

It's a respect issue for me. A small delay of 24 hours or something I suppose is acceptable, but 10 weeks for signature campaign payments is ridiculous. Anything longer then 24 hours on casino withdrawal is ridiculous.

Unless the guy has broken fingers, went blind, or is on a ventilator in the hospital with covid there really is no reason he cannot be more responsible.

Lightlord has paid everyone  and i understand your desperation here. You should post after proper investigation as you are a elite member of this forum.

The payment in this campaign was not 10 weeks late, it was already shifted to bi-monthly campaign. So it was only 2 week late.

Spreadsheet for round 144 has been turned in to lightlord for payment. Payout to be processed shortly (which completes the bi-monthly round).

[Timelord2067]

The payment in this campaign was not 10 weeks late, it was already shifted to bi-monthly campaign. So it was only 2 week late.

Actually yes, the campaign payments are ten weeks late - we've already established that the campaign manager took it upon themselves to declare it to be a bi-monthly payment due to the owner/operator of the two websites being unresponsive for more than a year (that this instance of payments falling behind) and just playing along with the CM when the payments fell behind.

Try reading a thread before you shit post.

[Poker Player]

Question for CryptopreneurBrainboss: Once the campaigns begin, can you post here how many people left because of the late payments? I don't expect many of them to have left, and in that case I assume they don't consider lightlord to be high risk.

High risk doesn't necessarily mean that it's not worth the risk for some. Granted the payouts are not large, but some users are getting bonuses, and some have nowhere else to go.

Would you join one of lightlord's campaigns?

By the way, in this regard and expanding on what I was saying before, I remembered that in a post I mentioned both of you. friends1980 wrote a long post in the signature campaign thread criticizing several participants for shitposters. The post was quite long and reasoned, and criticized the manager:

The sad truth is, this manager, as many other managers, couldn't care less about the posting quality of his participants...

I, believing him to be somewhat right, also responded to him in detail, among other things the following:

Brainboss has its standards regarding quality that need not be the same as yours. I have seen sometimes in the spreadsheet a note: "improve post quality" with which I understand that he has given a warning to the person in particular and if you go to page 135 of the spreadsheet you can see that Lewan was removed for low quality.
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How would you manage a campaign that pays like $0,07 per post for the lowest tier? It is clear that LoyceV, suchmoon etc. will not apply for this campaign. You will have to try to get them to a certain quality, but you can't ask for much, and I think Brainboss is doing well.

When I was in the campaign, there was a minimum requirement to have earned 5 merits in the previous 120 days but since Lighlord lowered the rates, many participants left the campaign and the requirement changed:

No minimum merits, constructive/decent posts history required.

So, I don't think we can take the fact of whether or not the current participants leave the campaign as a reference for Lightlord's trust.

[Rikafip]

This isn't the community asking, this is you asking so I'll answer but it's quite obvious if you follow the campaign thread, after several delays in the past although all previous payout has been made after the delay, I decided to make things easier for the participants so they don't see it as a delay but like part of the system. Usually they get paid every 6-7 weeks for a weekly campaign so why not make it a bi-monthly campaign so they program themselves of recieving the payment every two months then also it'll help lightlord out for whatever reason that makes him pay every 7weeks.

Bolded part is pure bullshit and doesn't make sense. You didn't make it any easier for participants, you only made it easier for yourself so they don't bother you with "wen payment" stuff every few weeks. Instead of standing up for your signature participants, you incorporated delays into the system. But even if you stood up, he would probably replace you with someone else who would do the same as this forum doesn't lack aspiring managers who would do anything to get the gig.

I can tell you for a fact that majority of the participants of the campaign don't care promoting for weeks

Let's be honest here; of course they don't care as majority of them are shitposters and they are aware that they wouldn't be able to join any other signature campaign that pays in BTC.