Issue of fixed Matches

[harizen]

And its really hard to determine before but when the game starts then things turns out to be noticeable when you do see movements which arent casual for them for you to see.
Fixed matches are there and possible but its really hard to be proven out unless if there's some leaking info about it.

Not just for leak info but at least we can somehow determine a game if it's rigged or not. Sometimes, just because an underdog defeats the favorites, it's always subject to rigged or being a fixed match for others. I doubt a defeat to the underdog can be staged properly. It can't even be done by a good rehearsal.

A suspected fixed match does have lots of flaws just by watching it live. That's why no need for leaked information regarding that. But that fixed match will not be considered a fixed match unless there's someone who will file a legal basis for that.

[Fatunad]

And its really hard to determine before but when the game starts then things turns out to be noticeable when you do see movements which arent casual for them for you to see.
Fixed matches are there and possible but its really hard to be proven out unless if there's some leaking info about it.

Not just for leak info but at least we can somehow determine a game if it's rigged or not. Sometimes, just because an underdog defeats the favorites, it's always subject to rigged or being a fixed match for others. I doubt a defeat to the underdog can be staged properly. It can't even be done by a good rehearsal.

A suspected fixed match does have lots of flaws just by watching it live. That's why no need for leaked information regarding that. But that fixed match will not be considered a fixed match unless there's someone who will file a legal basis for that.

You're definitely right on this one because fans arent really that dumb nor blind on not to notice those things but it doesnt really mean that underdogs cant beat out the favorites but it should really be in justifiable manner
because we could really say that something is happening if you arent really that convinced that those underdogs had beaten out the stronger ones and its true that this cant be done swiftly and smoothly no matter
how they do make out some rehearsals or practice on executing for it not to be that suspicious thats why its really hard to believe on with those moments as of these years.

[traderethereum]

And its really hard to determine before but when the game starts then things turns out to be noticeable when you do see movements which arent casual for them for you to see.
Fixed matches are there and possible but its really hard to be proven out unless if there's some leaking info about it.

Not just for leak info but at least we can somehow determine a game if it's rigged or not. Sometimes, just because an underdog defeats the favorites, it's always subject to rigged or being a fixed match for others. I doubt a defeat to the underdog can be staged properly. It can't even be done by a good rehearsal.

A suspected fixed match does have lots of flaws just by watching it live. That's why no need for leaked information regarding that. But that fixed match will not be considered a fixed match unless there's someone who will file a legal basis for that.

Maybe we can see what the jury in the field will do if some player is making a mistake because when I know that thing, sometimes, I just think that the jury was on the opposite side.
If that happens, I usually do not have an interest in continuing watching the match and maybe I will do other things.
But still, it is hard to suspect a fixed match as we do not have clear information about that, although the jury can support the opponent by not giving a yellow or even a red card.
That matches will continue but the audience can judge what they watch.

[mindrust]

They are real but you'll probably get scammed believing that you can actually access that information. Whoever selling/telling you these matches is either scamming you or just lying because why not. If I had that information I wouldn't share it with anyone because the more people bet on that game, the more suspicions it would raise and when enough people look at that game, the bets might get cancelled. 99.9% of the time the information you get will be nothing but bullshit.

I actually never thought about it that way but you are absolutely right of course. If they claim to already have a match that is fixed and they want you to join their "private group" for a certain entry fee, then it just has to be a scam because it would mean that those guys already have paid the players or referees in order to fix the outcome of that match, so why would they give away those informations now after they have already paid? One reason could be that they can not bet a to big amount of money on the match because it would be to obvious and the bookmaker would become suspicious. But if they sell the information to other people they could make additional profit, but i guess that would be too dangerous.

This is the art of scamming.

You always try to make the victims believe that they are scamming you (it is a good deal) but in reality you are scamming them. The oldest trick in the world.

Selling ebooks is another example. 99.9% of the time the information you'll get from those books is bullshit. If the information had any value, he wouldn't sell it.

[Reatim]

And its really hard to determine before but when the game starts then things turns out to be noticeable when you do see movements which arent casual for them for you to see.
Fixed matches are there and possible but its really hard to be proven out unless if there's some leaking info about it.

Not just for leak info but at least we can somehow determine a game if it's rigged or not. Sometimes, just because an underdog defeats the favorites, it's always subject to rigged or being a fixed match for others. I doubt a defeat to the underdog can be staged properly. It can't even be done by a good rehearsal.

A suspected fixed match does have lots of flaws just by watching it live. That's why no need for leaked information regarding that. But that fixed match will not be considered a fixed match unless there's someone who will file a legal basis for that.

Maybe we can see what the jury in the field will do if some player is making a mistake because when I know that thing, sometimes, I just think that the jury was on the opposite side.

Jury does not confirm to be in good side always because sometimes they are the one who is involved also in such cases or at least they are part of the Payroll.

If that happens, I usually do not have an interest in continuing watching the match and maybe I will do other things.

but if you are bettor then you have no way to stop watching as the interest to find if you are win or lose.

But still, it is hard to suspect a fixed match as we do not have clear information about that, although the jury can support the opponent by not giving a yellow or even a red card.
That matches will continue but the audience can judge what they watch.

we are the one who must decide in which, because the problem in fixed matches are nothing to be found unless the involved will admit it.

[Questat]

Selling ebooks is another example. 99.9% of the time the information you'll get from those books is bullshit. If the information had any value, he wouldn't sell it.

This could be true, but somehow an ebook would teach us how to manage ourself in gambling, actually bankroll management and discipline are both very important, winning a bet is quite different, it cannot be written in the book that is up to a gambler's ability to analyze the game before putting a bet and win.

[iv4n]

Selling ebooks is another example. 99.9% of the time the information you'll get from those books is bullshit. If the information had any value, he wouldn't sell it.

This could be true, but somehow an ebook would teach us how to manage ourself in gambling, actually bankroll management and discipline are both very important, winning a bet is quite different, it cannot be written in the book that is up to a gambler's ability to analyze the game before putting a bet and win.

I believe that reading a book can be helpful for people who are getting in touch with something for the first time... I didn't read any books, all that I learned came from people who were doing it, and in discussions with them and practicing I learned about gambling! And I think it's a better way, and a lot easier to understand! As Mindrust says "99.9% of the time the information you'll get from those books is bullshit." This is because you need a piece of simple information, but a book writer needs a whole book, so he is using long and complicated sentences, he is decorating everything he can... so reading it you can get lost in all the unnecessary stuff!

[KTChampions]

Ahhh those memories, I almost forgot about that Calciopoli scandal.

At the time, a number of clubs were involved, including Juventus. If I remember correctly, the involvement of the referees could also be proven, which puts the crown on the whole thing when both several clubs and the referees are involved.

But I also remember games in the German Bundesliga where the heavy favorites lost to complete underdogs at the end of the season, so that they managed to stay in the league. What surprises me is that in such cases all/most of the players and the coach have to be in on it. Otherwise, it would be very difficult for this to work cause the chance that someone will "spill the beans" is correspondingly high.

I think this happens in all leagues (for example, in the Russian one it happened very often). I think there is an explanation for this and it is not necessarily a matter of fixing matches. Quite often it turns out that the team in 2nd place has no chances to take the first place (the gap from the leader's team is too great), but it also cannot fall below (the competitors are far behind the 2nd place). Therefore, such a team does not have 100% motivation to play, and the team that tries to avoid relegation from the league has and therefore wins.

[ralle14]

I would not call this information interesting and proving something - all we see is a screenshot of a message with an offer of money and a refusal. I'm 99.99% sure that this is an ordinary message from a troll that all famous personalities receive a lot on a wide variety of topics. The very idea of such a thing seems dubious to me - would you agree (even to a super-profitable offer) from an anonymous person, despite the fact that the very fact of your consent would jeopardize your entire career (and possibly your freedom)?

Sure it doesn't say much but there's always a possibility as i've seen other esports team in the same level get caught and do these type of stuff.

Another recent case is this tournament where Newbee got caught fixing matches and the tournament organizers dropped them right away.

It's obvious that most players wouldn't risk their career for a certain amount of money but there are other desperate players who are willing to put their career on the line.

[passwordnow]

That matches will continue but the audience can judge what they watch.

Those fixed matches are always easy to spot if you're actually a researcher and know-how both teams or the players play. You'll get the idea if they're doing their best or just trying to play the game itself which is already a game that they shouldn't play - a term for those that don't seriously do it. That's why some die-hard fans have a say when they find it odd upon watching a game that's sold.

[KTChampions]

I would not call this information interesting and proving something - all we see is a screenshot of a message with an offer of money and a refusal. I'm 99.99% sure that this is an ordinary message from a troll that all famous personalities receive a lot on a wide variety of topics. The very idea of such a thing seems dubious to me - would you agree (even to a super-profitable offer) from an anonymous person, despite the fact that the very fact of your consent would jeopardize your entire career (and possibly your freedom)?

Sure it doesn't say much but there's always a possibility as i've seen other esports team in the same level get caught and do these type of stuff.

Another recent case is this tournament where Newbee got caught fixing matches and the tournament organizers dropped them right away.

It's obvious that most players wouldn't risk their career for a certain amount of money but there are other desperate players who are willing to put their career on the line.

An interesting case, but I would not compare events in such leagues with events in professional football leagues. Too different level of material interest, and hence the professional attitude to business. Look at the size of the prize money - they are ridiculous even for the top teams, it is not surprising that outsiders are trying at their own peril and risk to earn in other ways (I do not support them in this).

[smyslov]

I was with a friend today who was in a hurry to place his bet on some numbers that were sent to him for some football matches that he believes are fixed. I'm a bit confused how fixed matches work.

Are fixed matches real? Do the coach and players of teams were matches have been fixed, do they consent to it? If you were in a team were your next fixture has been fixed, what will be your reaction?

There's such a thing as game-fixing if you get a tip from a very reliable source and you are 100% sure of it, that's your chance to win big, it's still risky because there is such a thing as changing of decision from fixers, the game-fixing can make or break you if you believe that the result will come from a reliable source, game fixing is complicated and the organization is always on the watch for game fixing.

[Questat]

Selling ebooks is another example. 99.9% of the time the information you'll get from those books is bullshit. If the information had any value, he wouldn't sell it.

This could be true, but somehow an ebook would teach us how to manage ourself in gambling, actually bankroll management and discipline are both very important, winning a bet is quite different, it cannot be written in the book that is up to a gambler's ability to analyze the game before putting a bet and win.

I believe that reading a book can be helpful for people who are getting in touch with something for the first time... I didn't read any books, all that I learned came from people who were doing it, and in discussions with them and practicing I learned about gambling! And I think it's a better way, and a lot easier to understand! As Mindrust says "99.9% of the time the information you'll get from those books is bullshit." This is because you need a piece of simple information, but a book writer needs a whole book, so he is using long and complicated sentences, he is decorating everything he can... so reading it you can get lost in all the unnecessary stuff!

That's why I don't read ebook as it's time consuming, I'm actually more attracted to reading a random posts like in a forum as I know they are more genuine and they share according to their experience. I have a lot of forums that I follow that's why I learn about sports betting, terms like sports rigging, line movement and trap, these are only few you'll learn from people who are experience enough in sports betting.

[jrrsparkles]

I was with a friend today who was in a hurry to place his bet on some numbers that were sent to him for some football matches that he believes are fixed. I'm a bit confused how fixed matches work.

Are fixed matches real? Do the coach and players of teams were matches have been fixed, do they consent to it? If you were in a team were your next fixture has been fixed, what will be your reaction?

There's such a thing as game-fixing if you get a tip from a very reliable source and you are 100% sure of it, that's your chance to win big, it's still risky because there is such a thing as changing of decision from fixers, the game-fixing can make or break you if you believe that the result will come from a reliable source, game fixing is complicated and the organization is always on the watch for game fixing.

Fixed games are rare and no one will give 100% assurance on the results so its our own responsibility if we are taking risks against such situations anyway fixing games are not legal so you can face legal issues even if you win the match and got rewards unless you are in an underworld casino.

[ene1980]

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There's such a thing as game-fixing if you get a tip from a very reliable source and you are 100% sure of it, that's your chance to win big, it's still risky because there is such a thing as changing of decision from fixers, the game-fixing can make or break you if you believe that the result will come from a reliable source, game fixing is complicated and the organization is always on the watch for game fixing.

If you really think that a match is fixed, i will get away from the match because you cannot predict how the match will play out. But to think that you will get to hear about information if a match is fixed is ludicrous, either you are a big shot who has a friend who gambles and spends millions of dollars and even if it is fixed those information are not going anywhere until you have the authority to track their communications .

[bonjouros]

In contrast with its term fixed matches, I feel like assurance is not something that is merited out of it. Winning does not necessarily mean to be the outcome of indulging with fixed matches, not unless accurate information are gathered which can be considered as classified, thus money must be spent before such information come at hand.

[South Park]

Back in 2006, when the Calciopoli scandal hit Italian Serie A.
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In such a scenario, you need both teams to know about it.

Ahhh those memories, I almost forgot about that Calciopoli scandal.

At the time, a number of clubs were involved, including Juventus. If I remember correctly, the involvement of the referees could also be proven, which puts the crown on the whole thing when both several clubs and the referees are involved.

But I also remember games in the German Bundesliga where the heavy favorites lost to complete underdogs at the end of the season, so that they managed to stay in the league. What surprises me is that in such cases all/most of the players and the coach have to be in on it. Otherwise, it would be very difficult for this to work cause the chance that someone will "spill the beans" is correspondingly high.

No one would really spill out the beans since they've been paid out well and for sure there would be some sort of personal agreements or terms to those people who could be possibly involved.
And its really hard to determine before but when the game starts then things turns out to be noticeable when you do see movements which arent casual for them for you to see.
Fixed matches are there and possible but its really hard to be proven out unless if there's some leaking info about it.

This is true, after all if someone makes a mistake most of the time the fans will just attribute this to an accident or to a temporary decrease on their performance level but they will no attribute this to cheating, most of the cheating scandals that we know about are the ones in which one of the participants decides to talk about it, so as long as the players and the ones fixing the matches remain silent it is very difficult to prove that what it is happening on the field is part of a fixed game.

[dothebeats]

Coaches, players, and team owners consent to match fixing that’s for sure, because match fixing wouldn’t happen in the first place if there are no insiders involved in the bets. Most of the time, they do these on leagues that don’t really matter, but still is a hype one yet the profit that they get from winning the games aren’t really something compared to the potential profits that they can get on match fixing. I certainly would bet on such matches in a heartbeat if I do have the insider information, though a part of me thinks that it is wrong and unethical, but whatever.

[Quidat]

Coaches, players, and team owners consent to match fixing that’s for sure, because match fixing wouldn’t happen in the first place if there are no insiders involved in the bets. Most of the time, they do these on leagues that don’t really matter, but still is a hype one yet the profit that they get from winning the games aren’t really something compared to the potential profits that they can get on match fixing. I certainly would bet on such matches in a heartbeat if I do have the insider information, though a part of me thinks that it is wrong and unethical, but whatever.

Wrong or unethical for others but for majority then this wont really be a bothersome thing which they could really make out bets if they do know that they could really take
advantage from that but the question is, how you would able to acquire those info? For sure you would need to shell out money to acquire those information
which you couldnt get elsewhere.Of course it wouuld really be needing up some consent from all people who do get involved for a fully fixed match game.

[7788bitcoin]

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You always try to make the victims believe that they are scamming you (it is a good deal) but in reality you are scamming them. The oldest trick in the world.

Selling ebooks is another example. 99.9% of the time the information you'll get from those books is bullshit. If the information had any value, he wouldn't sell it.

There was a time when the forum was infected with scammers like these, selling books claiming that they have some of the advanced tricks that they discovered to make money and other gambling related tricks and so on and there were many who would provide fake vouches and i am glad we are not seeing those stupid things here anymore.