Bitcointalk Charity and its funds

[SiNeReiNZzz]

Oh. That's new to me and unpleasant to hear.
I have to familiarize myself with the subject matter before I can give my opinion.

I thought it would be a good campaign to which I myself already donated money and promoted this campaign...

[RapTarX]

Access denied? I thought to have a little audit but 

The spreadsheet is asking for access. Why can't we make is public?

It was public earlier today morning when I posted last time. There was some wrong (or wrong) information which I have pointed out.

As for crwth I think he is clearly less at fault than the other two.

Don't you think how the activity was going on was known to crwth? He could have raised questions if things weren't going accordingly. Either way, he didn't have included anything yet; no tx record, no clear amount.
 As for now, I don't want to tag either of crwth & bl4nkcode nor I'm supporting the flag. I'll give them time to respond to the issues for a few more days. If they can't come clean, I will tag & support the flag.
Just have tagged cabalism13 for not being transparent as he is the host of the charity.

[LoyceV]

I was sent this spreadsheet this morning. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/119Y3xOq4FzUhXKyPN11N_Mtwn37VmkqUj2IQiBi08pQ/edit?fbclid=IwAR1BDCGvy_ohYhRq6AMigOoo0gvY15hYS3Oxl4b3xBuJsAyBgXYjAg1ZwxU#gid=1160771654
I cannot verify the amounts spent are correct. This is from cabalism13

The spreadsheet is asking for access. Why can't we make is public?

Earlier it worked, so the owner changed it.

These numbers are in USD or in their local currency?

I'm guessing it's in PHP.

As for crwth I think he is clearly less at fault than the other two.

Don't you think how the activity was going on was known to crwth? He could have raised questions if things weren't going accordingly. Either way, he didn't have included anything yet; no tx record, no clear amount.

It feels like crwth did less bad than the others, but if I imagine what I would have done, I think he could (and should) have done better. Let's say someone offered me 0.2BTC to spend on charitable causes in my country, and let's say it didn't occur to me the person who offered it was breaking his own promise by taking the money out of escrow when he handed it to me. I think, in the spirit of trying to help people, overlooking that mistake can be forgiven.
But then, when spending someone else's money on charitable causes, I would be meticulous in keeping track of everything. Partially because it's the right thing to do, but mainly because it's the only way I can prove I used the money properly.

Maybe crwth can share all records he has, in a separate spreadsheet edited only by him?

[icopress]

It was public earlier today morning when I posted last time. There was some wrong (or wrong) information which I have pointed out.

I read the whole thread and before making any conclusions I wanted to look at the table ... but I also ran into this problem.

Maybe crwth can share all records he has, in a separate spreadsheet edited only by him?

This is also ... I don't know about you, but it seems strange to me that all three guys provided vague facts, I would understand if this behavior was traced only in one participant in this case, but not in three at once.

In general, I am still reading ...

[dkbit98]

You can find the sheet here- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z3nZePiflhAuPh6y_f9LxmL1997vdfeYsQo_hUyspT8/edit?usp=sharing

Is this spreadsheet created by you based on information you provided in this post, or it's coming from original Charity team?

I was sent this spreadsheet this morning. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/119Y3xOq4FzUhXKyPN11N_Mtwn37VmkqUj2IQiBi08pQ/edit?fbclid=IwAR1BDCGvy_ohYhRq6AMigOoo0gvY15hYS3Oxl4b3xBuJsAyBgXYjAg1ZwxU#gid=1160771654

This is obviously different from previous spreadsheet and I can't access it because it's locked for reading and I don't have google account here.
Can someone post screenshot or transfer data to other document that is open for reading, if it's not erased or locked.

Let's say someone offered me 0.2BTC to spend on charitable causes in my country, and let's say it didn't occur to me the person who offered it was breaking his own promise by taking the money out of escrow when he handed it to me. I think, in the spirit of trying to help people, overlooking that mistake can be forgiven.
But then, when spending someone else's money on charitable causes, I would be meticulous in keeping track of everything. Partially because it's the right thing to do, but mainly because it's the only way I can prove I used the money properly.

If you sent that 0.2 btc to any organization that accepts Bitcoin donations for charity, how exactly would you track their spending habits and check they are not abusing this money?
I think that everybody remembers notorious fake hunanrightsfoundation who is still acepting donations for who knows what, maybe for arming his hezbollah paramilitary units.
Even for legit big charity organizations you can't really see and verify how they are spending money, but I am sure they are keeping transactions in private for personal records.
Someone could even hold grudge and complain about donations for bitcointalk forum and paying for new invisible forum software

[AB de Royse777]

I was sent this spreadsheet this morning. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/119Y3xOq4FzUhXKyPN11N_Mtwn37VmkqUj2IQiBi08pQ/edit?fbclid=IwAR1BDCGvy_ohYhRq6AMigOoo0gvY15hYS3Oxl4b3xBuJsAyBgXYjAg1ZwxU#gid=1160771654
I cannot verify the amounts spent are correct. This is from cabalism13

The spreadsheet is asking for access. Why can't we make is public?

Earlier it worked, so the owner changed it.

These numbers are in USD or in their local currency?

I'm guessing it's in PHP.

800 + 1200 + 1600 + 1800 + 650 + 1400 + 8500 + 1500 +1000 + 500 = 18,950
1 PHP = 0.020 USD means all together $377.56

No way!

We are taking about 2.12264434 BTC at btc price between $10k to $65k+ I believe?

Someone could even hold grudge and complain about donations for bitcointalk forum and paying for new invisible forum software

Watch out!!! LOL

[examplens]

I was sent this spreadsheet this morning. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/119Y3xOq4FzUhXKyPN11N_Mtwn37VmkqUj2IQiBi08pQ/edit?fbclid=IwAR1BDCGvy_ohYhRq6AMigOoo0gvY15hYS3Oxl4b3xBuJsAyBgXYjAg1ZwxU#gid=1160771654

This is obviously different from previous spreadsheet and I can't access it because it's locked for reading and I don't have google account here.
Can someone post screenshot or transfer data to other document that is open for reading, if it's not erased or locked.

the document is locked and no longer available. I opened it for a moment when Yahoo had just shared it here, but it was awkward for me to watch anything on the mobile phone.
they didn't seem to expect yahoo to share it here, so in the end, it is still locked.
I guess less transparent can't be.

[RapTarX]

You can find the sheet here- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z3nZePiflhAuPh6y_f9LxmL1997vdfeYsQo_hUyspT8/edit?usp=sharing

Is this spreadsheet created by you based on information you provided in this post, or it's coming from original Charity team?

No, they sent the spreadsheet to yahoo62278 before I had the spreadsheet created. But that doesn’t include a lot of information if you are expecting to get something. As I shared above, it has some wrong information as well & name of the ingredients and their price. No records of price receipts.
Did you read the below quoted post? Please read if you haven’t. I had a look on the spreadsheet and found this without spending much time.

I just had a quick look on the spreadsheet.

[eddie13]

It’s been days and they all aren’t replying...

[LoyceV]

it seems strange to me that all three guys provided vague facts, I would understand if this behavior was traced only in one participant in this case, but not in three at once.

Are you suggesting they're alts?

800 + 1200 + 1600 + 1800 + 650 + 1400 + 8500 + 1500 +1000 + 500 = 18,950
1 PHP = 0.020 USD means all together $377.56

No way!

We are taking about 2.12264434 BTC at btc price between $10k to $65k+ I believe?

I only showed the numbers I noticed for being "round", it's not the full spreadsheet. Due to the lack of any receipts I can't know what is or isn't correct, but I can make a wild assumption about round numbers.
I should have saved the spreadsheet.

It’s been days and they all aren’t replying...

What are the odds they all stop posting and stay offline at the same time?

[yahoo62278]

It’s been days and they all aren’t replying...

What are the odds they all stop posting and stay offline at the same time?

According to their profiles cabalism has not been online since the 19th and the other 2 since the 21st. The red paint may have deterred them from wanting to answer, although I have been getting regular replies from cabalism on telegram. His last message to me was the spreadsheet and him telling me he would be offline mostly until the new year. The other 2 I haven't really reached out to.

[AB de Royse777]

What are the odds they all stop posting and stay offline at the same time?

I heard some natural disaster in their county. Can anyone confirm the place cabalism13 lives, is effected? His last login date is on 13th.*

bL4nkcode and crwth are active (well logged in two days before should not mean in active).

Odds?
Give me 5 options to chose.

Edit: Wrong observation. I was checking his last posting date.

although I have been getting regular replies from cabalism on telegram. His last message to me was the spreadsheet and him telling me he would be offline mostly until the new year. The other 2 I haven't really reached out to.

Honestly speaking I do not think it's anymore to convince you but to convince all of us. There are no points now to make private update.

[yahoo62278]

Honestly speaking I do not think it's anymore to convince you but to convince all of us. There are no points now to make private update.

Agreed, they all should be responding in this thread. I have not asked for private updates, he has just been messaging.

[Timelord2067]

Relevant addresses:

33tZjC2ZdVib9JLdWZH4rg7HzhuuTG5WZd - crwth
32RYTtV6xGTX55i5QdfA7T8iWgAd2QK7yo - legendster
33c9Df6J6vkGU1cuX84AePoeH2qzuzbcF1 - cabalism13
3LjVmpw2wDWawaPGa8Lj5JYjYciXDAePbW - cabalism13
3LvwmWgo6kS64Rtz5JVwpq3v1R8NXckX2W - crwth
351ZYYihVwJnKKv9iAdGeFxhaJ3t7zzrcA - bl4nkcode
bc1qlk9s9tmsv79hk345s98atht534fac3qu0nrayu - probably cabalism13
1a3eegDyFQAotunG5CknN4JntFzfZC3Mo - not sure who own
bc1qxu65xsfjecr8cxc3ywsp2pjzqp35dvs69tulem - not sure who own
3KwDEEzZycWYC73juBsrbjJjB1zumrx37v - marlboroza
bc1q20yenlspxprxk9dqttc6gue8yz02auth89jdvq - not sure who own (0.56622723 BTC received worth of $18789^#1)

• 33tZjC2ZdVib9JLdWZH4rg7HzhuuTG5WZd - is part of Wallet [00000dd86b] which has 7,860,540 total transactions (i.e. it's an online wallet/address) and is attributed to crwth
• 32RYTtV6xGTX55i5QdfA7T8iWgAd2QK7yo - is part of Wallet [00002dbb51] which has 1,116,489 total transactions (i.e. it's an online wallet/address)
• 33c9Df6J6vkGU1cuX84AePoeH2qzuzbcF1 - is part of Wallet [00000dd86b] which has 7,860,540 total transactions (i.e. it's an online wallet/address) and is attributed to cabalism13
• 3LjVmpw2wDWawaPGa8Lj5JYjYciXDAePbW - is part of Wallet [00000dd86b] which has 7,860,540 total transactions (i.e. it's an online wallet/address) and is attributed to cabalism13
• 3LvwmWgo6kS64Rtz5JVwpq3v1R8NXckX2W - is part of Wallet [824a27b6c9] and has just two wallet addresses:
  
  

  3J8cyEFx5n4twscaFPtsXbqez8vRfs1JcX   0.            1   632402
  3LvwmWgo6kS64Rtz5JVwpq3v1R8NXckX2W   0.            1   632402

• 351ZYYihVwJnKKv9iAdGeFxhaJ3t7zzrcA - is part of Wallet [aecaac8472] and has just two wallet addresses:
  
  

  351ZYYihVwJnKKv9iAdGeFxhaJ3t7zzrcA   0.            1   632490
  39FPTdMxZaS4QtYQWfjb3LucnKy49ydPkh   0.            1   632490

• bc1qlk9s9tmsv79hk345s98atht534fac3qu0nrayu - is part of Wallet [ddbf7dd4a9] and is the sole wallet address
• 1a3eegDyFQAotunG5CknN4JntFzfZC3Mo is part of Wallet [Bittrex.com] which has 8,432,605 total transactions (i.e. it's an online wallet/address)
• bc1qxu65xsfjecr8cxc3ywsp2pjzqp35dvs69tulem - is part of Wallet [60b5a51434] and has just two wallet addresses:
  
  

  bc1qflr28lwmtss4j62ayg53q4fvugctajap336ssk   0.            1   659937
  bc1qxu65xsfjecr8cxc3ywsp2pjzqp35dvs69tulem   0.            1   659937

• 3KwDEEzZycWYC73juBsrbjJjB1zumrx37v - is part of Wallet [5da4e581b8] and is the sole wallet address.
• bc1q20yenlspxprxk9dqttc6gue8yz02auth89jdvq - is part of Wallet [00039e3f52] of which there are 138,594 transactions. (i.e. it's an online wallet/address)

[condoras]

It’s been days and they all aren’t replying...

I look and read closely this thread from the start and to be honest, this behavior pisses me off. They have been accused of mishandling/ abusing charity money from our community, and still nothing, not even a post. Two of them posted regularly like nothing happened, while the third person told us with such simplicity to just...f**k off! Of course, when they ask for our money, was pretty talkative and "active".
IMO all three of them deserve a red tag, even if they can prove that they didn't abuse the charity money. Because they are all responsible for informing, keeping receipts, and communicating everything that they want to do with a charity fund and not hunting them for explanations. If yahoo62278 didn't notice it, they will let us know? Not a chance in a million.

If you sent that 0.2 btc to any organization that accepts Bitcoin donations for charity, how exactly would you track their spending habits and check they are not abusing this money?
I think that everybody remembers notorious fake hunanrightsfoundation who is still acepting donations for who knows what, maybe for arming his hezbollah paramilitary units.
Even for legit big charity organizations you can't really see and verify how they are spending money, but I am sure they are keeping transactions in private for personal records.
Someone could even hold grudge and complain about donations for bitcointalk forum and paying for new invisible forum software

That's false. You can track their habits and expenses, like was a company. They also have articles of association, payrolls, expenses, accounting in general. However, this charity fund, isn't an "entity", an rl organization. So having a simple excel for tracking where they donate, I guess it wasn't hard.

[dkbit98]

That's false. You can track their habits and expenses, like was a company. They also have articles of association, payrolls, expenses, accounting in general. However, this charity fund, isn't an "entity", an rl organization. So having a simple excel for tracking where they donate, I guess it wasn't hard.

It's not false at all because I was talking about external checking and auditing, and public (including you) can't exactly track and verify how FidelityCharitable or SaveTheChildren (for example) spends their received bitcoins.
Internal checking is something totally different and I already mentioned that in my post.

[condoras]

That's false. You can track their habits and expenses, like was a company. They also have articles of association, payrolls, expenses, accounting in general. However, this charity fund, isn't an "entity", an rl organization. So having a simple excel for tracking where they donate, I guess it wasn't hard.

It's not false at all because I was talking about external checking and auditing, and public (including you) can't exactly track and verify how FidelityCharitable or SaveTheChildren (for example) spends their received bitcoins.
Internal checking is something totally different and I already mentioned that in my post.

I don't argue with you, I understand it wrong. Of course, internal checking is different from external.
In this case though, those guys are not an entity like SaveTheChildren (a 501(c)(3) organization). We can't make a comparison between three guys in a public forum asking members to help, with any type of established charity organization. They should be keeping receipts, a spreadsheet would be the least they could do, and they should have been transparent from the moment that they decide to start this charity. They don't even care to answer here.

[RapTarX]

Earlier, I had sent a PM to bl4nkcode to explain some of the points/questions I had which I posted here in the thread but he did neither respond to PM nor here in this thread. This is ridiculous that none of them giving an F*** here.

Are you suggesting they're alts?

I don't think they are alts. cabalism13 is quite different than the rest two from what I have observed; not sure about the other two though.

I should have saved the spreadsheet.

If you need it, you can PM me. I have some screenshots. I can still access it from my email. Wondering why it's private instead of making it public.

[LoyceV]

I can still access it from my email. Wondering why it's private instead of making it public.

Can you save it in Google Docs and share your own copy?

[RapTarX]

I can still access it from my email. Wondering why it's private instead of making it public.

Can you save it in Google Docs and share your own copy?

No permission other than "view only" was given. It was my surprise when I tried to access it with my laptop. I couldn't & I'm sure that I was logged in with my email address; while I can access it from my mobile LOL. I have copied a few tabs only where the summary was added. You can check out it here- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fBlmMu5sRqD3i-SUw1MtUIE54lNTzOvxpfFuiDZW29s/edit?usp=sharing
Let me know if more tabs are required; I didn't because I guess these aren't necessary.
It would be good if yahoo62278 would confirm the data are the same as the one shared by cabalism13; just to make sure I didn't tamper with any data.