Bitcointalk Charity and its funds

[Timelord2067]

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I'm interested in something, I'd like to hear an explanation.
how the approval process went, where the funds from the fund will be spent? For example, everything you paid for, bought and then donated, how does the whole process go?
I guess you need to talk with cabalism, explain to him what is your idea and he approves funds for that? did you have to show him exactly how much it would cost, did you show him the bills for the things you bought, or did you work roughly and trust each other on the word?
I saw marlboroza very clear documented where he spend donated money, why it was a practice only in that case?

... and just like that crwth engages in DT Trust abuse in an attempt to silence others...

... Just like finaleshot2016 ...

Any user can create his own custom trust list, have we not outgrown the complaints of why someone put someone on ~? you sound like your ego is hurt because of it.
However, you know that is not enough if just one user distrust you and this doesn't want to affect many other, I'm surprised you're making a drama out of it.

[icopress]

Any user can create his own custom trust list, have we not outgrown the complaints of why someone put someone on ~? you sound like your ego is hurt because of it. However, you know that is not enough if just one user distrust you and this doesn't want to affect many other, I'm surprised you're making a drama out of it.

Do you think he doesn't know this? I thought everyone was already used to the fact that Timelord2067 was partial to frivolous interpretation of facts.

Especially considering that 4 days before he used a tilde against crwth, but for some reason he did not mention this in the last post. Whatever crwth does, I would say that he is still part of the community with the same rights as the rest ... but apparently Timelord2067 does not think so. 

[Poker Player]

... and just like that crwth engages in DT Trust abuse in an attempt to silence others...

... Just like finaleshot2016 ...

Any user can create his own custom trust list, have we not outgrown the complaints of why someone put someone on ~? you sound like your ego is hurt because of it.
However, you know that is not enough if just one user distrust you and this doesn't want to affect many other, I'm surprised you're making a drama out of it.

I'm going to believe the feedback left by marlboroza to Timelord2067. It simply says: Lunatic.

Let's see if I get it right because it seems to me that I'm going to put him on ignore.

Timelord2067 distrusted crwth before today. In the latest trust list update from last Saturday it appears like this.

And because today crwth distrusted Timelord2067 he says this is DT Trust abuse. Is that so? Because if so he is a total lunatic. I thought it was about the consumption of potent marijuana or hallucinogenic drugs, but now I doubt if it is not because he is not taking medication for schizophrenia or something like that.

[icopress]

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I can be harsh too, but one way or another this is not a reason to get personal, even if the user does not enjoy public trust. I think no one will deny that the Internet is a merciless place, but still you need to be a little more courteous with others because in the end you may be in his place (considering that earlier everything was in order with him and his judgments).  

[crwth]

how the approval process went, where the funds from the fund will be spent? For example, everything you paid for, bought and then donated, how does the whole process go?
I guess you need to talk with cabalism, explain to him what is your idea and he approves funds for that? did you have to show him exactly how much it would cost, did you show him the bills for the things you bought, or did you work roughly and trust each other on the word?

It's basically how you explained it. It's more of what you can do or the idea of how you will do it then that's it.

And because today crwth distrusted Timelord2067 he says this is DT Trust abuse. Is that so? Because if so he is a total lunatic. I thought it was about the consumption of potent marijuana or hallucinogenic drugs, but now I doubt if it is not because he is not taking medication for schizophrenia or something like that.

I'm just really weirded out on the things he is saying that are not related to the topic at hand. When I posted my side here, he focused on the part where it's not related to the subject of this topic. I specifically posted there "Back to the main point" and still didn't focus on it immediately.

[DireWolfM14]

The only similarity is the people's ethnicity/nationality.

Of which I made no mention.

No, you didn't.  But it does seem like the elephant in the room that no one wants to discuss.  There are a lot of members here from the Philippines, and some might be alts of one another but I think it's unfair to link them all to the loan scammers whenever some ethical or moral questions come up.  It could be that I got the wrong impression, and if that's the case please accept my apology.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

No, you didn't.  But it does seem like the elephant in the room that no one wants to discuss.  There are a lot of members here from the Philippines, and some might be alts of one another but I think it's unfair to link them all to the loan scammers whenever some ethical or moral questions come up. 

I don't think this is an issue that has to do with nationality, and I'm not sure Timelord2067 implied anything of the sort.  However, if there's any fact that might cause more suspicion as to the members involved and where they live, it's that bitcoin can buy a lot more in the Philippines than in a lot of other countries.  That's not to say that someone living in a country with a higher cost of living wouldn't be tempted by having access to a large amount of bitcoin, but I mean come on....first of all, it's easy to pilfer when the available amount is large and maybe a small amount goes unaccounted for (initially at least); and second, it's just straight-up more tempting to run off with an amount of money if it has more purchasing power in your country vs. one where it wouldn't.  I think the second part is common sense.

Having said all that, I don't know exactly how much more a bitcoin will buy you in the Philippines compared to the UK, Germany, or wherever.  I'll also reiterate that the members being Filipino in itself has nothing to do with this situation.  The same actions taken by anyone else in any other country would no doubt be under the same scrutiny, because they speak for themselves.  Hell, I didn't even know where Cabalism13, crwth, and bl4nkcode were from until it was mentioned here (or I forgot). 

[Timelord2067]

18 months ago I identified a cluster of UID's who had previously engaged in merit swapping and DT trust swapping (even passwords being changed in the same 24 hour period) which elevated asu and theyoungmillionaire into positions to then scam lots of money.  Lots of naval gazing ensued as people decried they never saw that coming.

The "Elephant" in the room (other than apparently this whole page is off topic) is that two of those - 18 months ago - I identified as a part of that merit/dt backscratching cluster that were in need of watching are cabalism13 and crwth.

cabalism13 still hasn't come back online, neither has bL4nkcode.


I knew nothing of this "charity" until this thread began, however, had I been aware at the time, I would have asked @theymos if they endorse the use of the name BitCoinTalk as a part of the Charities name? 

And, as the charity is representing itself as having the official blessing of the Forum by taking its name, then why were there no checks and balances in place by admin or mods to ensure when the large donations roll in we don't find ourselves in a situation where two of three adminstrators/UID's falling silent while the third offers a covid test and a couple of vague receipts (which aren't listed on the spreadsheet screen shots) as proof only after hard questions start being asked.  (and still won't elaborate on where the other two are)

The real Elephant in the room is why none of you other good people who were aware of its creation asked those tough questions when this "charity" was formed in the name of the Forum.


Time to lock this thread, @yahoo62278

[DireWolfM14]

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I'm not accusing you of being bigoted, and I'm sorry if that's the impression you got.  I guess my second comment only made matters worse, but again that was not my intent.  If there's one common complaint against you it's that you see relatively circumstantial pieces of information as proof of some nefarious activities, and come to conclusions based on that circumstantial evidence.  I've known you to perceive a variety of articles as evidence, and creed is not any more prevalent than others.

In this particular situation it appears to me that the primary piece of evidence is that the Merit and Trust circles filter down to a specific nationality.  But that's not enough.  Merit and Trust circles form as a result of regional location, race, ethnicity, nationality, and culture on a regular basis around here.  It's very common around the forum among the Russians, Germans, Italians, Filipinos, and probably more than any other, the Americans.

I also want to add that I do appreciate the effort you've put into finding more about the two loan scammers.  I don't want to come off as ungrateful.  I would love nothing more than to prevent them from scamming again, and see them brought to justice.  However, the attempt to link the three charity admins to those loan scammers is tenuous at best, and unhelpful.  Continuing to discuss it here isn't adding value to this thread.

[yahoo62278]

18 months ago I identified a cluster of UID's who had previously engaged in merit swapping and DT trust swapping (even passwords being changed in the same 24 hour period) which elevated asu and theyoungmillionaire into positions to then scam lots of money.  Lots of naval gazing ensued as people decried they never saw that coming.

The "Elephant" in the room (other than apparently this whole page is off topic) is that two of those - 18 months ago - I identified as a part of that merit/dt backscratching cluster that were in need of watching are cabalism13 and crwth.

cabalism13 still hasn't come back online, neither has bL4nkcode.


I knew nothing of this "charity" until this thread began, however, had I been aware at the time, I would have asked @theymos if they endorse the use of the name BitCoinTalk as a part of the Charities name? 

And, as the charity is representing itself as having the official blessing of the Forum by taking its name, then why were there no checks and balances in place by admin or mods to ensure when the large donations roll in we don't find ourselves in a situation where two of three adminstrators/UID's falling silent while the third offers a covid test and a couple of vague receipts (which aren't listed on the spreadsheet screen shots) as proof only after hard questions start being asked.  (and still won't elaborate on where the other two are)

The real Elephant in the room is why none of you other good people who were aware of its creation asked those tough questions when this "charity" was formed in the name of the Forum.


Time to lock this thread, @yahoo62278

I would lock this thread but I want to wait til the holidays are over and see if the other 2 pop in and give a reasonable explanation as to the facts and try to clear up any 8ssues users have.

[AB de Royse777]

I would lock this thread but I want to wait til the holidays are over and see if the other 2 pop in and give a reasonable explanation as to the facts and try to clear up any 8ssues users have.

I do not think any of them is coming up here and giving us any words. If they were to then they would have been done that long ago. The whole thing about this Charity were looking good until the 2nd 1 BTC donation made and bitcoin price were to too high. Once the price of BTC started to picking up both cabalism13 and bl4nkcode got greedy but somehow they involved crwth to give a small amount for whatever the reason they thought.

The splitting between both seems like 50-50 agreements

There are 7 outgoing txes for cabalism13 and only 1 was documented. The total amount for undocumented txes were: 0.54722358 BTC (I have no idea how much they were in USD).

2 outgoing txes for bL4nkcode and total was: 0.56639445 BTC

[RapTarX]

The splitting between both seems like 50-50 agreements

There are 7 outgoing txes for cabalism13 and only 1 was documented. The total amount for undocumented txes were: 0.54722358 BTC (I have no idea how much they were in USD).

2 outgoing txes for bL4nkcode and total was: 0.56639445 BTC

I hate to believe that but so far none of them tried to prove our speculation wrong which made me think as well they successfully did a scam. They sent funds to crwth to run the activity as he was involved from the beghinning. If they didn't give it to crwth, crwth would suspect them & raise his voice. Hence, the trick I guess.

[hilariousetc]

We should always be very sceptical and overly scrutinise these sorts of charities as we are with things like new escrows as this stuff can easily happen and once people have money in their sole possession it's easy to get greedy especially when it's potentially a life changing amount. It's always easy to fake your 'charity' work as well. Anyone can fake some receipts or even buy a van full of food and supplies and take a couple of pictures giving a couple of bags to people and then just pocket the rest. You could even just return most of the stuff you bought once you've got some pictures of it etc. Without any sort of checks and balances the money can go anywhere. I remember a few years back there was a trend of fake giveaways/"charity" work on YouTube. Film yourself giving money or goods to some homeless people and then when the cameras are off they were just taking it back and only letting them keep a very small fraction of it.

I would lock this thread but I want to wait til the holidays are over and see if the other 2 pop in and give a reasonable explanation as to the facts and try to clear up any 8ssues users have.

I don't think the thread should be locked until the issue is resolved. I looked over the thread yesterday and the pictures of the 'charity' work that was posted could've probably cost them less than $1000 in total. You could probably fill up a couple of vans full of cheap food, water and basic supplies in the UK or US for that and I imagine that stuff is a fraction of the price in the Philippines. Unfortunately if they can't really provide any evidence of where the money is gone I think greed probably got to them. Does anyone have an idea of how much the money was worth when it was moved from the escrow? I keep seeing figures of 1 and 2 bitcoins and if that was moved at the all time high then it could be a lot of money.

[LoyceV]

Does anyone have an idea of how much the money was worth when it was moved from the escrow?

Just add up from 1CHAriTyyuCzLdXshSDVohyjgxTxW9Bhx:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/d865320664274afac20bd6a9f9d6c9292542669941f1652315c1f2e5f0f6c9fe 485.19 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/fd3785d343acc814bca7a7e5b351d5f63cdf02d78860db3fdb8f0c25b0b1bf99 18,308.30 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/10c50da072ab0f1dce6319f2c7cd5e1363286ce3b4910e42c2fbb1209482ec3f 4,063.08 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/3d6c06cacd715eefe38fa287ad322c5ebfa269903cc223067554d83621f4fa56 548.50 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/3fef34bdbf9dd646b7e29bd927c28d79a80662293184cbedb92ceafd56c7f5a3 242.75 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/7eece40317b1b892e37589e2a4cd3e6facd19c43e01591f7de4645565c4a5d80 1,763.68 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/149ccc659a016df98e52c8fab7058ba5244f4b1e5b363ff49d3e2cb0792bc78d 1,763.68 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/dbf8ddc85aef5ae42548298151f8ceb929699178eaefd318c4981c50973a48ba 768.18 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/aec0e245ed26b749ddb476e6aac7fb1738788bef9c70871ecd074ab1376390fc 4,436.59 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/cac4a43bec672a43cfd2e8264828e326f3f88599bd15cc2f020d29f7847b798b 1,465.20 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/2c006055c2f474d6da3427f53282d900ee08190d6b012ac900abdde68a30a2cb 2,413.74 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/9e39e0b829668914933295c9c979078da33da4865cd64bddf2bc404e0b6349a7 2,821.29 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/319b639e5e5ede18f21b602ee22c206e420ba5b222448ba79a6a59c5253d5ade 1,431.90 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/337886aa1e55c55e0cfe2aa3a1295118a1dee0bd0054d5bc721426e1671bb91e 337.86 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/32a36423bec5c49f5768764ea5faea4138679e975a0769eb7d264caf5f781a87 39.43 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/cf6fc731af33fc79837c9c8d901ff580b1aa755d2ab296d86cc5070d1501db4b 59.14 USD
Without double checking the numbers (I may have missed a transaction), it adds up to 40,948.51 USD based on Blockchair's USD estimate at the time funds were moved from the escrow address.

[Timelord2067]

Time to lock this thread, @yahoo62278

I would lock this thread but I want to wait til the holidays are over and see if the other 2 pop in and give a reasonable explanation as to the facts and try to clear up any 8ssues users have.

I had intended to make that my last post here, however, with your indulgence, I would like to point out a deep flaw in @Poker Player's Trolling of me here.

But first, this is what I wrote on their Trust Feedback page.  It carries *neutral* weight.  Likewise, I have never dispensed preemptive, nore retaliatory DT Trust against Poker Player.

I wrote:

Poker Player

2021-12-28

I supported PP in their thread examining lightlord's recent behavior. Then, thread that looked at connections (linked by 3rd person) between PP & 2 other UID's. PP has chosen to turn my support of dkbit98 into a personal attack against myself *even though* I made no accusations against PP As I more than once told marlboroza: "Respect is a two way street"

In this thread [Link] two users @dkbit98 and @The Pharmacist explore the possibility that Poker Player has an alt - namely naim027

In post 12, I wrote this:

2 Accounts Connected:

minairia3, naim027,

About 27 hours after applying for a signature campaign, naim027 changed their wallet address from bc1qguayhqyd774w6sg83p7ehexqe3fp3r5ds0a8kv to 3Q24Jvtg2Lr5SyQE4RaCYtNTFxFwY44Sip - naim027 applied to join a full three weeks after minairia3 used that wallet address in a TOTALLY DIFFERENT SIGNATURE CAMPAIGN.

There are literally only twelve posts between naim027's application and when @Hhampuz accepts it (just three hours after naim027 changes their post).  No one in the twelve posts makes mention of the duplicated wallet address.

[OPEN] Roobet.com Signature Campaign | The Honest Online Casino | Full Members+ [Ninja]

Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=298644
Current amount of Posts (Including this one): 209
BTC address for payouts: bc1qguayhqyd774w6sg83p7ehexqe3fp3r5ds0a8kv
EARNED merit in the last 120 days: 105

it now reads:

Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1187984
Current amount of Posts (Including this one): 209
BTC address for payouts: 3Q24Jvtg2Lr5SyQE4RaCYtNTFxFwY44Sip
EARNED merit in the last 120 days: 113


First time apply on Signature Campaign. Excited

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[OPEN] blender.io Signature Campaign | Sr./Hero&Legendary Members | - [Ninja]

Bitcointalk profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=298644
Current amount of posts (including this one): 2111
Amount of merit EARNED in the last 120 days: 2
SegWit BTC Address for Payouts: bc1qguayhqyd774w6sg83p7ehexqe3fp3r5ds0a8kv

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Look at the whole post in one reduced go - no mention of Poker Player.

That can only mean I do not consider Poker Player connected to either of the two listed in my post.

Therefore, when Poker Player tells you that I consider Poker Player to have alts, Poker Player knows that to be not true.  i.e. a lie.  Poker Player is lying to you and Trolling me.

How naim027 can also be under that same misunderstanding makes you wonder - doesn't it? [link 1][link 2]

18 months ago I identified a cluster of UID's who had previously engaged in merit swapping and DT trust swapping (even passwords being changed in the same 24 hour period) which elevated asu and theyoungmillionaire into positions to then scam lots of money.  Lots of naval gazing ensued as people decried they never saw that coming.

For those of you who did not follow the links in this quote, allow me to quote the relevant section:

This is a working theory.

I am investigating a connection between theyoungmillionaire and finaleshot2016 who both changed their passwords within 24 hours as I stated in this post and this follow-up post.  jademaxsuy along with crwth have extensively swapped merits with theyoungmillionaire and finaleshot2016 while in @LoyceV's Default Trust List Week 05 jademaxsuy removed their trust of theyoungmillionaire only to add finaleshot2016 and crwth in Week 06

In addition, I have a working theory that theyoungmillionaire has at least four or five alts being jademaxsuy, finaleshot2016, Squishy01, GDragon, Strufmbae, Silent26, crwth and Maus0728 based on their default trust lists activating the same week for most, or a couple of weeks later (with the same list) in the case of the latter couple of UID's.  As at week 76 all or most still trust theyoungmillionaire and each-other.

Since my first post, Maus0728 has removed their trust of theyoungmillionaire but continues to trust all others (the group in what seems to be a DT abuse cluster).

Again, when PP says I consider these users to be alts, Poker Player knows this to be not true.

A lie.

Poker Player is Trolling you with what they know to be a lie about me and what I have said.

How do we know this:

Simple.

This is a working theory.

Timelord2067 distrusted crwth before today. In the latest trust list update from last Saturday it appears like this.

That's correct.  My distrust of crewth is preemptive DT distrust as I and others have preemptively distrusted both cabalism13 and bl4nkcode in the last week.

And because today crwth distrusted Timelord2067 he says this is DT Trust abuse. Is that so? Because if so he is a total lunatic. I thought it was about the consumption of potent marijuana or hallucinogenic drugs, but now I doubt if it is not because he is not taking medication for schizophrenia or something like that.

Correct. crewth, having been attacked by a preemptive DT negative by me has retaliated against me with distrust.  Why?  Because Poker Player told many lies against me when I asked the hard questions.

13 months ago @LoyceV pulled apart Poker Player's numerous abusive attacks [LINK], so this is not a new thing, this deep seated anger inside Poker Player.


@crwth:  Where are cabalism13 and bl4nkcode ??  

They pocketed over half a bitcoin each - what did you get?

The three options are:

• All three are alts.  I discount this scenario due to the fact there had to be collaboration between at least two parties in promoting the "charitable work" being done.
• There are two users.  I favor this scenario in which two users, for example cabalism13 and crwth are alts are able to persuade the other person (two votes to one) how to spend the funds.
• There are three users. Two users might be able to persuade a third user for some of the time, however, the third person will at some-point form a differing opinion and voice concerns.  That hasn't happened.

I see @theymos has been online in the last six hours.

[AB de Royse777]

I was just curious to see if BestChange (Best_Change) still kept bL4nkcode, cabalism13 and crwth. I thought all three were in BestChange campaign then found out cabalism13 was never there. With crwth there should not be any problem after all these but with bL4nkcode there is an interesting finding.

bL4nkcode Left the campaign!

Assuming BestChange gave a wrong reason as they kicked him out which is obvious, no one would like someone with red paint for scamming but if bL4nkcode indeed asked to leave then we are pretty confirmed that bL4nkcode is not coming here to defend the case which means he is fine with the accusation against him which should give us a clear indication that he indeed had this intention to scam the fund with cabalism13. The small part which sent to crwth was just to show that the charity was still alive more like a part of the plan.

[Poker Player]

-snip

Some days after this thread was created I PMed Best_Change to let him know about the matter. He would probably have seen it anyway but I thought it was my duty. So he is well aware of what's happened. I'm not sure wether bl4nkcode contacted him to say he was leaving the campaign or what, but yeah, I don't think he's going to come here to defend his case.

[LoyceV]

I don't think he's going to come here to defend his case.

It's worth noting that bL4nkcode was last online on December 21, while the Flag and negative feedback started on December 22. That means he hasn't seen it by himself on his own account, unless he used an alt.

[Poker Player]

That means he hasn't seen it by himself on his own account, unless he used an alt.

If he's followed this thread without logging in, he's well aware of the flag and the tags.