Bitcointalk Charity and its funds

[NeuroticFish]

That means he hasn't seen it by himself on his own account, unless he used an alt.

If he's followed this thread without logging in, he's well aware of the flag and the tags.

Indeed, he could have been notified for using his name and he could have been seeing this thread without logging in, after all. So the last login date can very well mean nothing.

[dkbit98]

bL4nkcode Left the campaign!

One of Best_Change campaign rules is that participant will be removed without payment if he gets negative feedback during his stay in their campaign.
It does say he left campaign himself, but it's possible that manager saw negative feedback on his profile and removed him.
I am not sure who exactly is managing Best_Change campaign and counting posts, but they can clarify this for us.

It's worth noting that bL4nkcode was last online on December 21, while the Flag and negative feedback started on December 22. That means he hasn't seen it by himself on his own account, unless he used an alt.

I am sure that he received many notifications from people who mentioned his username, but it's sure not a good sign to see him being away and not logged in for nine days.
The way things are going now, I doubt we are going to see this two back again, and at very least nobody will ever trust them again.

[Maus0728]

Please accept my apologies for derailing the discussion; I simply want to clarify some things with @Timelord2067.

As far as I know, I have removed TYM and Silent26 on week 77 and 106 respectively. The reason being is TYM committed a loan default not only on @DireWolfM14 but also to me^[1][2].

Furthermore, I continue to trust crwth and finaleshot to this day since I believe they are 2 different people who are not alts of a notorious scammer in the Philippine Section. Those are also the same people who assisted me when get started in cryptocurrency journey particularly in this forum. Reading the entire thread in which cabalism13 is implicated in the mishandling of charity funds is particularly surprising and is something I did not expect.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233790.msg54061366#msg54061366
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233790.msg54104002#msg54104002

Again sorry for derailing the topic 

[RapTarX]

Does anyone have an idea of how much the money was worth when it was moved from the escrow?

Without double checking the numbers (I may have missed a transaction), it adds up to 40,948.51 USD based on Blockchair's USD estimate at the time funds were moved from the escrow address.

You are right. I have presented the amount in my spreadsheet & the total sum is $40,943 at the time of the move.

Again, the amount which has been spent earlier isn't considered as a part of the scam since there were few updates on the thread. If we consider that, this is the total amount in question according to my understanding which has been presented in the post & spreadsheet.

Though cabalism13 said, 0.55 BTC is questionable, from what I can see, a total of 0.56622723 BTC worth $18789 is questionable without any doubt. This is the sum of the amount sent for converting into USDT (supposed to be).
But if I sum the amounts which have no proof, the total is 0.84272723 BTC worth $23,875.96 which in my investigation may not have any proof.

@off-topic responses- Can we have another thread to have that off-topic discussion?

[bL4nkcode]

I apologize for not having a response in quite while. As I mentioned on my earlier reply, my place was hit and affected with the super typhoon, due to this I've been struggling connecting online with rotational b/out here as the main source of electricity was hit pretty hard in the center part of the country, can't do the spreadsheet and not available to upload images for tx proofs.

As crwth posted all his activities, kindly check my tracks as well, start on january this year,  spreadsheet link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_8z6U0jrM73gfCczQGNzOtyUUSNL2dus4kvQTpCHdtA/edit#gid=788997071.
The meals/snack might be vague coz I really forget the specifics of the amount as most of these don't have receipts given, I just round off as what I remember the amount is.

2 outgoing txes for bL4nkcode and total was: 0.56639445 BTC

This were the time where funds sent to crwth and cabalism, check (tx below). Also, check the track records of crwth on his spreadsheet posted earlier.


To cabalism - https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/917fc3c5eaf5154dae2e79477b0496dad4750238ff242474681bef5e544ddb92 and https://etherscan.io/tx/0x16a2883d0c1fb8971a296c82934b8943454f46f00114fe026e94530bbdc6f861
To crwth is an internal transfer on binance.


Activity: 02-24-21:
Funds used: 168,392 PHP
Conversion & Withdrawal:


Recovered receipts:





Activity: 12-05-21, 12-12-21, 12-19-21
Funds used: 88320 PHP
Conversion & Withdrawal:

This is the outgoing tx to binance, TXID.


Withdrawal/conversion

Recovered receipts:




Unfortunately, this is the only I recovered as this kind of paper dont fade away easily unlike thermal papers used by grocery stores.

Total fund used on all activities, 256, 712 PHP or around 5523.15 USD/T


As for the comparison of number of funds received for the activities, I guess I received the less compared crwth and cabalism considering I only held 1 activity before 2021, and funds were sent for almost the same amount for the 3 of us in january 2021, check my sheet and crwth sheet.


While the way of me handling of charity funds is in questioned, I totally admit that this is my first time handling charity funds and the process may poorly processed and amateurly done but that's the basic way I think it could work for. I mean, they will tell me what activity they were trying to do, where, when, the estimate cost, then that's it, lately I will send the funds as agreed.

Others:
For the alts issue, sorry they/were not.

For the question of me having a loan to cabalism, it was used for a business related as described on the trust page reference, not for personal use.


I hope that cabalism do list his previous tracks as well, as he made an activity recently. Again, I apologize and I admit that this charity/activity was done poorly esp. showing the receipts, transparency, but hear me out, all the donated funds were used to help others and all posted activities are all happened.
The main purpose of those people involved is to help. If you can observe I only do activities when there's a calamity whether a typhoon hits, flash floods, etc. near me. I volunteered coz I feel it is important to help others esp. those who in need.
As this may end as still doubtful, I hope this good deeds will still continue (of helping people) even in little ways.

Thank you! Happy holidays and wishing you all a happy, healthy and prosperous new year!

[yahoo62278]

2 outgoing txes for bL4nkcode and total was: 0.56639445 BTC

This were the time where funds sent to crwth and cabalism, check (tx below). Also, check the track records of crwth on his spreadsheet posted earlier.


To cabalism - https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/917fc3c5eaf5154dae2e79477b0496dad4750238ff242474681bef5e544ddb92 and https://etherscan.io/tx/0x16a2883d0c1fb8971a296c82934b8943454f46f00114fe026e94530bbdc6f861
To crwth is an internal transfer on binance.

I'm curious of all the TXIDS that happened during the spit that cabalism mentioned. Also, as escrow, why you agreed vs keeping the funds in escrow?

[Timelord2067]

For the question of me having a loan to cabalism, it was used for a business related as described on the trust page reference, not for personal use.

Would that be this loan: https://ninjastic.space/post/56796511

bL4nkcode

2021-06-16

Reference

Got a loan >$400 from him for 2 months. Paid. Thank you.

And, did the funding of the loan come out of the pool of money the "charity" had in its possession ?? (i.e. not your money)

[bL4nkcode]

I'm curious of all the TXIDS that happened during the spit that cabalism mentioned. Also, as escrow, why you agreed vs keeping the funds in escrow?

Honestly speaking, I really think that it's the best way to do make more activities, but later on I realized that I was the escrow for a reason. I have to admit that move is a mistake as what an escrow is stand for, and I apologize for that, really. I basically trusted these people involved to do what they should do for the charity cause. As things happened, what I can do is to to ensure the community that the intention of these people involved are good, that all activities happened and funds were used in good will as what the charity's aiming for in which all of them did their part.

Would that be this loan: https://ninjastic.space/post/56796511

Yes. That's it.

And, did the funding of the loan come out of the pool of money the "charity" had in its possession ?? (i.e. not your money)

I can't answer to that, what I just did is to make a lend request on the lending thread. I did loan with the same purpose before that with different lender, it just that cabalism accepted the lending offer that time.

[PrimeNumber7]

Unfortunately if they can't really provide any evidence of where the money is gone I think greed probably got to them.

I don't think the lack of being able to prove their expenses is evidence of wrongdoing. They did not agree to prove their expenses and continued operating for years without proving their expenses, but did receive additional donations after their level of documentation was well known.

Someone asking questions is not evidence of guilt.

I'm curious of all the TXIDS that happened during the spit that cabalism mentioned. Also, as escrow, why you agreed vs keeping the funds in escrow?

As a charity, their intention is obviously to spend their donations on charitable causes. The only way to spend donations is to distribute money to those able to spend money on causes the charity wants to help.

[Timelord2067]

Unfortunately, this is the only I recovered as this kind of paper dont fade away easily unlike thermal papers used by grocery stores.

Moving forward, should you wish to continue to operation of this Charity, may I suggest you look into acquiring some online tools to help with documenting transactions?

For example, it would benefit anyone authorized to make purchases to have an app on their smart phone that enables them to take a photo at the time of purchase that is stored in a dedicated filing system-specific to their task.

Examples can be seen in this search engine link:

https://www.bing.com/search?q=app+to+scan+receipts&qs=LT&pq=app+to+scan+&sk=LT3&sc=8-12&cvid=E133A4E759FE4B24976E672F315715F0&FORM=QBLH&sp=4

This is especially effective for use with thermal paper receipts. 

And, there are also effective tools for your smart phone's camera to capture the actual text contained on a surface you are photographing.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=app+to+scan+text+from+image&qs=UT&pq=app+to+scan+text&sc=8-16&cvid=08AEF106B17748D4987D9C03BBD7F6A1&FORM=QBRE&sp=1

If you are an Android Device user, I find APK PURE https://apkpure.com/ to be a very effective tool to search for new apps and upgrade apps already installed (as well as already installed system apps (think Gmail, Youtube, Chrome as examples of system files that may not get updated as often).

[Poker Player]

Well, I as in other cases, I am always open to change my support to flag. I didn't leave feedback, but I think if I remove support for the flag, I will leave at least neutral if not negative feedback.

This seeing that bl4nkcode is wanting to collaborate in a similar way as crwth did. The problem is that I think he had more responsibility, and he has many previous positive feedbacks for acting as escrow. This has to be compensated, and even he has recognized that an escrow should not act like that:

... but later on I realized that I was the escrow for a reason. I have to admit that move is a mistake as what an escrow is stand for, and I apologize for that, really.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Unfortunately if they can't really provide any evidence of where the money is gone I think greed probably got to them.

I don't think the lack of being able to prove their expenses is evidence of wrongdoing.

Uh....let's say this case was taken to court because the prosecutor charged them with some violation of a law having to do with misuse of charitable funds.  I'd think the first piece of evidence would be the blockchain transactions and where the trail leads.  If there are gaps the size of the Grand Canyon in the accounting (which there are), you'd better believe that's going to be used against them--and it'll look really bad to the jury, just like it looks bad to the bitcointalk members following this thread.

Are you a disbarred lawyer, by any chance?

And, did the funding of the loan come out of the pool of money the "charity" had in its possession ?? (i.e. not your money)

I can't answer to that, what I just did is to make a lend request on the lending thread. I did loan with the same purpose before that with different lender, it just that cabalism accepted the lending offer that time.

I've lost track of the time frame of when all these things were happening.  So you took out a loan from cabalism13 before or after he received the payout from you?  I'm also wondering if it was before or after he allegedly needed that $500 for his father's medicine.

And crwth was loaning out money on Jan. 14th 2021, which was right around the time of those two payouts from bL4nkcode (though I'm not sure who those went to exactly).  And what's cabalism13 doing making loans if he's pilfering charity funds to pay for meds?

[bL4nkcode]

If you are an Android Device user, I find APK PURE https://apkpure.com/ to be a very effective tool to search for new apps and upgrade apps already installed (as well as already installed system apps (think Gmail, Youtube, Chrome as examples of system files that may not get updated as often).

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll note it. I just dont think how strict the security check in apkpure before apps get listed on their directory.

So you took out a loan from cabalism13 before or after he received the payout from you?  

After, since the sending of funds were on january.

I'm also wondering if it was before or after he allegedly needed that $500 for his father's medicine.

IIRC that happened on 2020, so that was before.

[decodx]

<..> And what's cabalism13 doing making loans if he's pilfering charity funds to pay for meds?

That. And besides, I see that he is also an active gambler. While I don't mean to slam anyone, but there are a lot of contradictions in his statements.

You're quite a funny guy, you mean the almost half million I spent for my wedding was from the Charity Funds?
<...>
To be honest, yes. I have used 500$ from the funds back then for the medications of my deceased grandfather

Am only a student I don't have my own budget, all I can do is the effort

[dkbit98]

I apologize for not having a response in quite while. As I mentioned on my earlier reply, my place was hit and affected with the super typhoon, due to this I've been struggling connecting online

It's good that you managed to post transactions and at least some receipts, that may change some negative feedback you received, but I am afraid that you won't have any reputation left to be an escrow in this forum.
I hope that you fixed the things with your house and that you and your family are good now.

I hope that cabalism do list his previous tracks as well, as he made an activity recently.

So do you still have private conversation with cabalism and do you know what's happening with him? Maybe he was also hit by super typhoon disaster??
He was not online in forum since December 19 and I almost lost hope that he will ever return here.

[RapTarX]

This were the time where funds sent to crwth and cabalism, check (tx below). Also, check the track records of crwth on his spreadsheet posted earlier.


To cabalism - https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/917fc3c5eaf5154dae2e79477b0496dad4750238ff242474681bef5e544ddb92

Am I being very much skeptical? Cabalism13 has used this address to receive the fund- 3CabaLLZeJXhbyatozNEyQRY16F5SFsW2Q, which has been only used 2 times in the forum. 1st- as stake address & 2nd- to sign a message to receive a loan from DarkStar_
He has never used this address to receive the donation fund from bl4nkcode prior to this one; still NP but after receiving the fund at Jan 6, 2021, 12:48 PMUTC, he then sent the fund to 3LjVmpw2wDWawaPGa8Lj5JYjYciXDAePbW (this address was used a couple of times for receiving fund from donation fund) on Jan 6, 2021, 1:13 PM UTC. In less than an hour, cabalism13 sent the fund from his personal address (I mean non-custodial) to his web wallet. Why didn't he receive the fund directly from the address? Quite suspicious or what should I say this. Why cabalism13 had to pay $6 worth of BTC fee
In addition, Binance charges a 0.0005 BTC tx fee for BTC withdrawal. From the tx, cabalism13 has received exactly the amount 0.1225 BTC which is shown in the screenshot. Did bl4nkcode bear the fee?

[hilariousetc]

Without double checking the numbers (I may have missed a transaction), it adds up to 40,9048.51 USD based on Blockchair's USD estimate at the time funds were moved from the escrow address.

Thanks. I think $40k is approximately the number we should be looking to be accounted for then, though it could be more or less depending on what he actually did with it once it was moved. It could have sat on exchanges for a while or been traded or loaned out etc. The pictures of the things that have been posted probably wouldn't amount to more than a couple of thousand USD I would think. Even then, we can't be certain the money was spent on those goods either. He or others could be working for other businesses or charities that are involved in such action and these guys could just be taking credit for it.

I think if he did spend a decent chunk of money on charitable actions then he probably should be able to provide a lot more evidence other than a few pictures as there should be a good paper trail. I'm guessing he didn't pay for everything in cash so there should be some bank statements that he could show to prove that at least some money was spent on what he said it was. He did offer to share his bank statements with someone so maybe someone should look into that. Does anyone know how much he earns? I saw in his last post that he claimed he spent half a million on his wedding. If he's being serious and that's in his native currency isn't that nearly 10k USD? That would probably be a very elaborate wedding by Philippine standards.

Unfortunately if they can't really provide any evidence of where the money is gone I think greed probably got to them.

I don't think the lack of being able to prove their expenses is evidence of wrongdoing. They did not agree to prove their expenses and continued operating for years without proving their expenses, but did receive additional donations after their level of documentation was well known.

Someone asking questions is not evidence of guilt.

I'm curious of all the TXIDS that happened during the spit that cabalism mentioned. Also, as escrow, why you agreed vs keeping the funds in escrow?

As a charity, their intention is obviously to spend their donations on charitable causes. The only way to spend donations is to distribute money to those able to spend money on causes the charity wants to help.

Where have the funds gone?
'I don't know' or 'we spent them'.
Can you show proof of this.
Not really.

That doesn't look good does it? Of course not being able to provide 100% proof for 100% of the funds means they misspent all the money on themselves but if they can't show reasonable proof where all this money went we should ask why that is. When you cash out the money they will have sent it to their bank account and if they gave that money to the charity then there should be a very good paper trail there. Of course, if they've spent it on living a life of luxury for themselves then it would be a lot harder to account for. Without any sort of proof or accountability we really can't just take their word for it. I would assume of anybody that if they couldn't provide reasonable proof of where the money went then there has been at least some misappropriation. cabalism13, in his last post, seems to have gone on the defensive and used the criticism as an excuse to just leave rather than try rectify the situation. Why would that be? It would be much better for everyone if he actually tried to show proof of where all this money has gone but if he knows he can't then what else is he to do other than just bounce and run away from the situation?

[LoyceV]

he claimed he spent half a million on his wedding. If he's being serious and that's in his native currency isn't that nearly 10k USD? That would probably be a very elaborate wedding by Philippine standards.

According to the first site I found, over $8k is average in the Philippines. I don't expect the newlyweds to pay it all though: "Traditionally the groom’s family pays for the wedding and the grandparents act as the primary witnesses or sponsors".

[DireWolfM14]

he claimed he spent half a million on his wedding. If he's being serious and that's in his native currency isn't that nearly 10k USD? That would probably be a very elaborate wedding by Philippine standards.

According to the first site I found, over $8k is average in the Philippines.

The audience that site appears to target is Americans thinking about traveling to the Philippines for their wedding.  That figure includes costs for airfare and lodging (apparently only for one person, though,) which are costs the locals will not incur.

It still seems outlandish for weddings to cost so much.  The average income in the Philippines is under $4k USD per year.  I know there're cultural differences, but it seems like in the Philippines it's an industry rife with vultures.

I don't expect the newlyweds to pay it all though: "Traditionally the groom’s family pays for the wedding and the grandparents act as the primary witnesses or sponsors".

Would that be the case if the grandson had two or three times the average annual income worth of bitcoin in his possession?

[decodx]

Without double checking the numbers (I may have missed a transaction), it adds up to 40,9048.51 USD based on Blockchair's USD estimate at the time funds were moved from the escrow address.

I didn't check all the transactions myself, does that include 2 BTC of donations received? Anyway, that's a lot of money. It seems as if things started to get messy after the first major donation of 1 BTC. Or am I missing something?