Bitcointalk Charity and its funds

[Poker Player]

And his/their reputation(s) weren't ruined in a matter of days, though it may seem that way.  They were in the process of being ruined whenever the first bit of money was spent on non-charity things or sent to Binance to gamble or split up between the three members in question.  I'm sure they were hoping it would go unnoticed if they stayed quiet, because they knew a thread like this would be the result, as well as an indelible black mark smeared on their reputations.  Well, that goes for cabalism13 for now; I'll await the story from the other two.

In this regard I just want to say that I think I liked the tone and the way the other two members responded better than the way cabalism13 did.

It is a matter that smells bad and I think that if it were not for the previous good reputation that the three of them had, they would have been negative tagged much earlier, in view of the facts exposed in this thread.

I hope the other two members will give us satisfactory explanations.

[LoyceV]

In this regard I just want to say that I think I liked the tone and the way the other two members responded better than the way cabalism13 did.

Escrow should have prevented this from happening instead of sharing in the money.

[Poker Player]

Escrow should have prevented this from happening instead of sharing in the money.

Yes, of course. The fact that the other two have responded when asked for explanations with a more correct tone does not imply that they have done everything right. And there is another thing:

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We will have to see what explanations are given for this in particular.

[yahoo62278]

Escrow should have prevented this from happening instead of sharing in the money.

Yes, of course. The fact that the other two have responded when asked for explanations with a more correct tone does not imply that they have done everything right. And there is another thing:

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We will have to see what explanations are given for this in particular.

Are we even sure there will be anymore responses from them in this thread? Been a few days and there has been plenty of time to present evidence of activities, proofs of funds and where they went, or anything else relevant.

[LoyceV]

Are we even sure there will be anymore responses from them in this thread?

Nope.
I can only assume the lack of details about all transactions is because they know publishing it won't work in their favour.

[Poker Player]

Are we even sure there will be anymore responses from them in this thread? Been a few days and there has been plenty of time to present evidence of activities, proofs of funds and where they went, or anything else relevant.

According to crwth:

As for some updates with charity, I have some remaining funds for the last remaining activity that I have reserved for the holidays. It will be on December 19. I'll update the charity thread by then.

I do hope everything clears out by then.

I am going to give him until December 20 to see what he says. And since I'm going to give him until that date, I'm going to wait until the same day to see if bL4nkcode gives reasonable explanations. Being the escrow, I think he has more to explain than crwth.

I've already tagged cabalism13 (second after The Pharmacist three days ago).

[dkbit98]

Are we even sure there will be anymore responses from them in this thread? Been a few days and there has been plenty of time to present evidence of activities, proofs of funds and where they went, or anything else relevant.

Ho Ho Ho...
Let's wait until mid January 2022, holiday season started like C13 said after he rested his case and wished us all a happy holidays 

[Lucius]

Are we both reading the same thread?  Stealing from a charity isn't a life circumstance that could happen to any of us, if only because not everyone will ever have control over the entire amount of money donated by others for charitable purposes.  Cabalism13 isn't going to be able to wiggle his way out of this one, but I'll be very interested to see what the other two end up saying and doing.

We read the same thread, but from a different perspective. I actively participated as a donor in this charity, and I had the opportunity to get to know a little better the people who organized it, especially @cabalism13. I don’t dispute the fact that things happened that shouldn’t have happened, but also that everyone should be admitted not guilty until proven otherwise - but some are guided by the “shoot first, then ask questions” principle.

For a person who has 80% forum boards on ignore (including the Service board until a few days ago), it's a little weird that you're the loudest in the Reputation board, as well as firing the first DT shot while everyone else waits for the final outcome. Red is irresistible, isn't it?

[Poker Player]

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Hey guys, better if we don't get into personal comments here.

I understand that in reputation threads it is easier to end up getting into personal comments than if you are discussing, for example, the price of Bitcoin. It happened to me recently.

Let's leave this thread to see if the three people involved give sufficient explanations and if not everyone can take whatever action they see fit.

[yahoo62278]

A little off-topic though, not part of the liquidation or audit process/discussion.

The Philippines now is hit by a super Typhoon Rai or Odette, I think if there's still funds remaining, they can use it to help the victims.

Super Typhoon Rai slams into the Philippines as tens of thousands evacuate

(CNN)Super Typhoon Rai, known locally as Odette, slammed into the eastern coast of the Philippines on Thursday afternoon, bringing torrential rain and the threat of widespread flooding across the archipelago.

The storm intensified rapidly as it approached the coast, strengthening from a Category 1 to a Category 5 storm in just 24 hours.
By the time it made landfall on Siargao Island, a popular tourist and surfing destination on the central east coast, the storm had reached sustained winds of 260 kilometers per hour (160 miles per hour) with gusts over 300 kilometers per hour (185 miles per hour).

This is a super Typhoon as strong as Typhoon Haiyan which destroys Leyte last 2013, so Filipinos really need help.

Not to take away from the charity or what it does, but personally I think they need to worry about showing their past actions and providing an accurrate account of the spending before another dime is spent.

[Japinat]

A little off-topic though, not part of the liquidation or audit process/discussion.

The Philippines now is hit by a super Typhoon Rai or Odette, I think if there's still funds remaining, they can use it to help the victims.

Super Typhoon Rai slams into the Philippines as tens of thousands evacuate

(CNN)Super Typhoon Rai, known locally as Odette, slammed into the eastern coast of the Philippines on Thursday afternoon, bringing torrential rain and the threat of widespread flooding across the archipelago.

The storm intensified rapidly as it approached the coast, strengthening from a Category 1 to a Category 5 storm in just 24 hours.
By the time it made landfall on Siargao Island, a popular tourist and surfing destination on the central east coast, the storm had reached sustained winds of 260 kilometers per hour (160 miles per hour) with gusts over 300 kilometers per hour (185 miles per hour).

This is a super Typhoon as strong as Typhoon Haiyan which destroys Leyte last 2013, so Filipinos really need help.

Not to take away from the charity or what it does, but personally I think they need to worry about showing their past actions and providing an accurrate account of the spending before another dime is spent.

The accounting should be the priority, but they can do it all together as it's easy to account transactions especially if the ones who would account are the ones who initiate or do the transactions. Cabalism13 per his post, said that his wife is a bookkeeper, so accounting should not be a problem on his side.

My wife is currently  a BOOKKEEPER on a Bank,

[The Sceptical Chymist]

For a person who has 80% forum boards on ignore (including the Service board until a few days ago), it's a little weird that you're the loudest in the Reputation board, as well as firing the first DT shot while everyone else waits for the final outcome. Red is irresistible, isn't it?

I'm not seeing the connection between the boards I have on ignore and my feelings toward one member (cabalism13) who's obviously guilty of misappropriating funds.  As far as red being irresistible...come on.  Are you seriously criticizing me for tagging him?  Why in the world would I not?  And it's not as if I've been on a tagging spree lately, which you can verify by taking a look at my sent feedback. 

I get that you want to give all three members the benefit of the doubt, but with cabalism13 there's no doubt about what he's admitted to doing, and I suspect there's more layers of this stinky onion that have yet to be peeled away.  I haven't tagged the crwth or bL4nkcode yet, because I'm awaiting their responses and it may turn out that they can provide an explanation for what they did and account for the funds that were split amongst them that wouldn't justify a neg.

Also, if you donated to this charity I'd expect you (or anyone else who did) to be at least as "loud" as me.

Hey guys, better if we don't get into personal comments here.

You're right, but I felt I needed to reply to Lucius, and I also need to state that I don't have a problem with him and never did--and I'm not going to bicker with him about this, and I'm sorry his money was involved in this thing.  Lucius, let's agree that we have two different reactions as to what's going on in this thread and leave it at that, eh?  I'd shake your hand and buy you a beer if I could.

[LoyceV]

I don’t dispute the fact that things happened that shouldn’t have happened, but also that everyone should be admitted not guilty until proven otherwise

The problem with this reasoning is that we can't prove anything as long as they don't provide all data. By that reasoning, they can't be guilty as long as they hide whatever happened. I'd say that shouldn't apply to at least cabalism13 and bl4nkcode: both of them should have made sure this couldn't have happened and both of them should have made sure all expenses were clearly documented. I'm not sure (yet) about crwth's role in all this.

[Poker Player]

I'm not sure (yet) about crwth's role in all this.

I'd say he's the one most likely to come out of this all right. And the one who responded best, offering to provide the necessary information

... their breakdown with the funds that were gotten for activities. I have mine and just need to input it into the final spreadsheet.

and giving a date, as I said before.

Incidentally, I looked at their profiles and bl4nkcode hasn't posted anything these days when he usually posts quite a bit. This is total speculation on my part, but it could be that if he thinks he is going to be red tagged maybe he doesn't think it's worth it to keep posting. Obviously, this could be just a coincidence.

[cheezcarls]

A little off-topic though, not part of the liquidation or audit process/discussion.

The Philippines now is hit by a super Typhoon Rai or Odette, I think if there's still funds remaining, they can use it to help the victims.

Super Typhoon Rai slams into the Philippines as tens of thousands evacuate

(CNN)Super Typhoon Rai, known locally as Odette, slammed into the eastern coast of the Philippines on Thursday afternoon, bringing torrential rain and the threat of widespread flooding across the archipelago.

The storm intensified rapidly as it approached the coast, strengthening from a Category 1 to a Category 5 storm in just 24 hours.
By the time it made landfall on Siargao Island, a popular tourist and surfing destination on the central east coast, the storm had reached sustained winds of 260 kilometers per hour (160 miles per hour) with gusts over 300 kilometers per hour (185 miles per hour).

This is a super Typhoon as strong as Typhoon Haiyan which destroys Leyte last 2013, so Filipinos really need help.

Speaking of the Typhoon Odette, I was one of the greatly affected. The super typhoon directly hit my city causing extreme damages. As early as 9 PM Philippines time, the entire city has gone blackout. Now around 11 PM onward, we've felt the extreme strong winds and rains (and caused one of my glass tiles to fell down and break) and other stuff stored at the back we're being blown away like crazy.

This is currently outside of my home. The tree fell just a few feet away from our property. The most important thing is that my family and I are safe as we just stayed home and hang on for dear life. Luckily that our roof wasn't blown away unlike the others. Electricity has also restored here in the area, but there are majority of other areas whose electricity aren't restored yet as it's announcement that they're working on it and estimate completion would be 2-3 days.



Earlier my cousin called me if he can stay in our home for the meantime because his home has no electricity and his room's roof was completely rip apart by the super typhoon. My friend from the other city in the province also reached me out for help as his home was completely destroyed. I just donated to him via online payment because they're running out of food and supplies. As for my other relatives and friends, they have said that their roof was gone, experiencing flash floods, etc. Others who are in the province are still asking help to be rescued, their homes are completely gone, etc.

Probably one of the worst typhoons that I have experienced in my life. At least my family and I have survived.

[RapTarX]

This is total speculation on my part, but it could be that if he thinks he is going to be red tagged maybe he doesn't think it's worth it to keep posting. Obviously, this could be just a coincidence.

Not necessarily. Maybe he is sincerely preparing the accounting part which is more important for his reputation than any other works he has. I wouldn’t be so optimistic on this. I used to believe bl4nkcode as escrow though his role in this charity is now questionable. Either way, we should give them time to present themselves instead of speculation.

[Igebotz]

The problem with this reasoning is that we can't prove anything as long as they don't provide all data. By that reasoning, they can't be guilty as long as they hide whatever happened. I'd say that shouldn't apply to at least cabalism13 and bl4nkcode: both of them should have made sure this couldn't have happened and both of them should have made sure all expenses were clearly documented. I'm not sure (yet) about crwth's role in all this.

C13 has clearly used the privilege against self-incrimination, and there is nothing we can do at this point but watch and wait for the drama to die, unless we want to use vigilante justice, which is still awful and unlawful

and giving a date, as I said before.

Incidentally, I looked at their profiles and bl4nkcode hasn't posted anything these days when he usually posts quite a bit. This is total speculation on my part, but it could be that if he thinks he is going to be red tagged maybe he doesn't think it's worth it to keep posting. Obviously, this could be just a coincidence.

I also looked at his activity on the forum since the thread was started, and he's only made 1 post on this thread and 16 others outside of it, indicating that he is unconcerned about the thread and the potential consequences. Too bad he (they) made us all look stupid because they clearly don't care what we say or do.

Should we say they're buying time because the charity thread is still idle and no photographs or statistics on how the money was used are not shown

Probably one of the worst typhoons that I have experienced in my life. At least my family and I have survived.

I'm glad your family is safe, sorry for the lost of properties for, these are things beyond our human control.

[bL4nkcode]

I will leave the questions and accusations as is, until cabalism provide the whole list of the past transactions and activities in a single sheet.
Also, I apologize for the lack of response and misunderstandings, hope this will be resolve already to clear all the misunderstandings.

Probably one of the worst typhoons that I have experienced in my life. At least my family and I have survived.

I feel you, we're in the same boat here, due to the typhoon the whole area I'm located experienced power and internet outage for several days already since the S. typhoon hit the area. There will be a distribution or turnover of goods from the charity and other orgs (soon) but will be held in the leyte area only, more particular in the southern part.

[cryptoaddictchie]

Incidentally, I looked at their profiles and bl4nkcode hasn't posted anything these days when he usually posts quite a bit. This is total speculation on my part, but it could be that if he thinks he is going to be red tagged maybe he doesn't think it's worth it to keep posting. Obviously, this could be just a coincidence.

Probably a coincidence.

Check out:

I feel you, we're in the same boat here, due to the typhoon the whole area I'm located experienced power and internet outage for several days already since the S. typhoon hit the area.

I think we should loosen up a bit here if those guys arent able to respond since Philippines is in really bad shape right now due to the typhoon struck. Some areas on Philippines don't have communication due to heavy hit of the storm. Maybe that's why they aren't responding and taking some action about the incident first. I guess posting here isn't a priority if your family safety is at staked. Your suggested timeline should also consider article below maybe their on the same case.  

Check out.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/16/asia/super-typhoon-rai-philippines-intl-hnk/index.html

[Poker Player]

I will leave the questions and accusations as is, until cabalism provide the whole list of the past transactions and activities in a single sheet.
Also, I apologize for the lack of response and misunderstandings, hope this will be resolve already to clear all the misunderstandings.

Yeah, OK. I was waiting for your response and crwth's one but if there has been a typhoon affecting you I can wait as long as necessary.

Anyway, apart from the activities in a sheet, I think you should provide supporting documentation, if not for all, at least for most activities, and it remains to be seen how you justify that a charity in which you were escrow, went on to split the funds between three and accept funds in other cryptocurrencies in addresses that weren't public.

I think we should loosen up a bit here

While I agree in general with what you say, I would not say that we have to loosen up because we have not tightened up. On the contrary, we are giving them plenty of time to justify and document something that, being the handling of funds for a charity, should be already documented and justified, publicly exposed in the charity's thread. I would say on the contrary that we are being quite benevolent and patient with the two of them. Another thing is cabalism13, he is no longer spared, and the last tag by owlcatz is quite expressive.