Bitcointalk Charity and its funds

[cryptoaddictchie]

On the contrary, we are giving them plenty of time to justify and document something that, being the handling of funds for a charity, should be already documented and justified, publicly exposed in the charity's thread.

I'm sure they are fully aware of it and doing and compiling it as speak. They got some pretty good reputations here to ruin just by lack of some documents which I assume being worked on already. I think some ducmentations or let say photos of goods has been posted only the tally of funds or receipts in accordance to the money spent were missing. Anyway let's wait patiently.

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[Timelord2067]

On the flip side, they did post some proof and images of donating food, helping homeless, helping animal rehabilitation, and last one was posted  back in May 2021.
However, I think they should post some proof of transactions, and that can't be so hard to do:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124375.msg56247230#msg56247230

Seven random photos of bulk food in shopping trolleys (under the circumstances) without any receipts as "proof of purchase" is not very convincing when you think about it...

The problem with this reasoning is that we can't prove anything as long as they don't provide all data. By that reasoning, they can't be guilty as long as they hide whatever happened. I'd say that shouldn't apply to at least cabalism13 and bl4nkcode: both of them should have made sure this couldn't have happened and both of them should have made sure all expenses were clearly documented. I'm not sure (yet) about crwth's role in all this.

cabalism13 set the thread in motion asking for donations, while bl4nkcode carried the funds (how do we know this? - bl4nkcode signed a message using the actual wallet address for donations).  The funds are apparently no longer there.


At this point blame goes cabalism13 - 45% / bl4nkcode - 45% and 10% to crewth for not saying anything.

I will leave the questions and accusations as is, until cabalism provide the whole list of the past transactions and activities in a single sheet.
Also, I apologize for the lack of response and misunderstandings, hope this will be resolve already to clear all the misunderstandings.

Simple question:  -  Where's the money?

[tranthidung]

Frankly, I did not read all messages and follow a whole case here. I know my post can not help to resolve it for cabalism13 but I have something to say.

First, in my opinion, he made bad decisions and the only things to do is resolve the case with exactly a leftover of charity fund before any wrong decisions were made.

Second, I can say something he said is true but as said, I completely knows that it does not mean anything to resolve this case.

To cut it short, BUSY,... (you can find my position on Paxful, tran can verify that)

Cabalism13 and me have been working in Paxful since 2020. I started there on May 2020 and cabalism13 even started before me. He invited me to join Paxful as community manager.

The activity stopped on June, due to pandemic and several lockdowns here in the philippines and due to the continuous grow of BTC we decided not to turn it back into crypto and just make use of it whenever and wherever they see fit.

We talked about that many times and he sent me many photos that he is preparing things for charity. I appreciated what he and his team did and somewhat they really did charity activities. Additionally, they still did charity operations even months after the pandemic appearance and I don't know when it stopped but in chat with me, he said multiple times that Covid-19 was worse in his nation. I knew it on media as well. Phillipines had worse situation even before Vietnam, a few months perhaps. In Vietnam, we had serious lockdown since August this year.

Months ago, when I contacted cabalism13, he told me that his Mom was infected, hospitalized, etc. and he superb worried about that.

Again, run charity and use charity fund transparently and well are different things I know.

My only mistake here is not updating and giving the proof and receipts

It is what cabalism13 and his team should do better.

To be honest, yes. I have used 500$ from the funds back then for the medications of my deceased grandfather, I even asked before I did that on my Filipino Community

It's another thing he made bad decision, I agree. It's unacceptable to touch charity fund for reasons are not related to charity I totally agree here.

Only one thing I can verify, his father had bad health issues months ago. Not only me, I think DarkStar_ can verify it as well. I believe cabalism13 actually told it with DarkStar_ as well in his loans with DarkStar_

Again, as said, it does not help to resolve this case. Only cabalism13 can do it. Refund the charity address, provide receipts, balance sheet, etc.

I doubt that if he did not clearly have plans to manage such thing, now he will not be able to provide all receipts, etc.

Even if cabalism13 resolves this case somehow, his reputation would be harmed. That is bad and I don't expect it.

Sum up, I felt that cabalism13 is a good guy with good heart but he did make serious mistakes that should be fixed!

To cabalism13, I do it proactively for all things we have together so far. I know it can not help you anyway but deeply in my heart, I think I have to say something I know rather than keep silence.

[Lucius]

I'm not seeing the connection between the boards I have on ignore and my feelings toward one member (cabalism13) who's obviously guilty of misappropriating funds.  As far as red being irresistible...come on.  Are you seriously criticizing me for tagging him?  Why in the world would I not?  And it's not as if I've been on a tagging spree lately, which you can verify by taking a look at my sent feedback. 

As things stand @cabalism13 has admitted to using $500 for personal use which is completely inappropriate - but I can understand the life or death situation of a family member - wouldn't most of us here do the same and then return that funds back? You have the right as a DT member to leave the fedback you want, but I was confident that everyone would wait for the final outcome - especially since we now know that the Philippines was recently hit by a typhoon.
 

I get that you want to give all three members the benefit of the doubt, but with cabalism13 there's no doubt about what he's admitted to doing, and I suspect there's more layers of this stinky onion that have yet to be peeled away. 

Can you clarify what exactly you mean by "more layers of this stinky onion that have yet to be peeled away"? Do you think there is anyone other than the three members of the forum who participated in this and got some financial benefit?

You're right, but I felt I needed to reply to Lucius, and I also need to state that I don't have a problem with him and never did--and I'm not going to bicker with him about this, and I'm sorry his money was involved in this thing. 

Technically speaking, I donated a few times at the beginning of the campaign - and I was pleased with how the money was spent, everything was very well documented. After someone started donating 1 BTC, it no longer made sense to donate smaller amounts until that large amount was spent.

Lucius, let's agree that we have two different reactions as to what's going on in this thread and leave it at that, eh?  I'd shake your hand and buy you a beer if I could.

Of course, as I have already written, it is difficult for me to accept that such a good thing as charity could turn into something we have to discuss in this way. Especially when it comes to people who have been esteemed members of this community so far, and I still hope that they can justify this status at least to some extent - although each day of silence only heightens the suspicion.

Thanks for the offer for beer, I would accept the offer if I was not a few thousand kilometers away and besides I can't leave the country because I don't have a covid passport

[GazetaBitcoin]

I followed this topic closely and it's sad to see again members with good reputation being on the edge of ruining it themselves in a second. Nevertheless, yahoo's and others' questions are pertinent and demand answers.

It's also interesting to see that the members running this charity still talk about their next events like everything is in order. I am also eager to see what will happen after the deadline mentioned by cabalism...

However, what I find to be even more interesting is the total amount of money debated. While some talk about 2 BTC and others about 0.4 BTC or smaller amounts, if you take a look again at the last screenshot posted by yahoo in OP, you can see this dialog:

cabalism13: "And lastly afaik, that last money was transferred to bank's Binance address and was converted I think about ~350k".
yahoo62272: "350k? I didn't think the balance was that high. Under 2 BTC last I remember".
cabalism13: "It was".

Now perhaps this went unnoticed, as I did not see anybody talking about this amount, or maybe I misunderstood the conversation, but from what I see here, the total amount would be "350k" which, I assume, represents "350.000 USD"? If this is so, then this is (or should be) a game changer. Because 0.4 BTC or even 2 BTC, even at current price or even at ATH are not even remotely close to this amount of money. Does this amount still exist?

[LoyceV]

from what I see here, the total amount would be "350k" which, I assume, represents "350.000 USD"?

I noticed that too, and it doesn't make sense. It could be PHP, which means it's about $7000. The problem is (again) the lack of clear documentation, which makes me think (again) it's part of the smoke curtain.

you mean the almost half million I spent for my wedding

I assume this is in PHP too.

[dkbit98]

"And lastly afaik, that last money was transferred to bank's Binance address and was converted I think about ~350k".

Maybe they used leverage trading on Binance exchange that is highly risky, so they could in theory earn much more but they could also lose everything.
Before making more speculations let's wait and see transactions proof and updates.

PS
Just wondering could you make a nice Romanian wedding celebration with $350k?
I am asking for a friend.

I believe today is December 19 and we still don't have any updates from member crwth like he said.
No updates on Charity topic also, but he is active everyday participating and writing as a part of his signature campaign.

As for some updates with charity, I have some remaining funds for the last remaining activity that I have reserved for the holidays. It will be on December 19. I'll update the charity thread by then.

I do hope everything clears out by then.

Whats up crwth?

[AB de Royse777]

How long we will need to wait for a public documentation, a kind of spreadsheet would be nice. There are a lot of conversations already but I think most importantly we need a proper documentation. cabalism13 please update.

[Igebotz]

How long we will need to wait for a public documentation, a kind of spreadsheet would be nice. There are a lot of conversations already but I think most importantly we need a proper documentation. cabalism13 please update.

At this point, I can confidently state that these three have no funds left in their wallets; if they cannot show a simple proof of how the remaining funds were used or where they are stored, I will not believe the random pictures posted of food packs without receipts - this will go down in history as one of the most low-key charity scams ever.

If I'm proven wrong, I'll eat my statements.

[Poker Player]

As things stand @cabalism13 has admitted to using $500 for personal use which is completely inappropriate - but I can understand the life or death situation of a family member - wouldn't most of us here do the same and then return that funds back? You have the right as a DT member to leave the fedback you want, but I was confident that everyone would wait for the final outcome - especially since we now know that the Philippines was recently hit by a typhoon.

Hi Lucius, I don't want to get into a polemic with you either, in any case in a reasoned debate.

As I was saying, in these reputation threads it is normal that sometimes it gets personal because over time, some of us interact with others and develop a certain empathy, as I think is your case with cabalism13 whom you say you got to know better after donating small amounts to the charity.

So, when someone you have some empathy for is accused, you usually want more time or more evidence to be given by the accusers, rather than thinking that he is the one who has to provide evidence.

In my case to cabalism13 I did not know him at all, in fact I did not even know his nickname, and I want to explain why I think the red tag I left him is more than justified.

It's not just the $500, which in itself justifies the tag. It is also this:

NOW ACCEPTING
USDT/XRP/ETH/BNB
JUST SEND US A MESSAGE!

This alone, without the addresses being public, would have justified red tags in its day, but I guess it went unnoticed, as well as the division of funds between three people, funds that should have remained in the custody of the escrow, and this escrow issue is what makes me believe that 80% of me will end up leaving negative feedback to bL4nkcode (20% I think I will leave a neutral tag).

Probably cabalism13 (and the others) is in general a good person and has done good things, but it is clear to me that he has crossed a line he should not have crossed and therefore I would not trust him to donate to his charity or for money deals in general.

As for giving it time, yahoo62278 gave it a week before opening the thread, and in the only response cabalism13 has given it has left much to be desired to put it mildly. Even people who have empathy for him recognize that there are things that have been done wrong. Therefore, my red tag and that of the others who have left it, is more than justified.

Now it remains to see the other two, who also have good reputation, have people with empathy towards them and even are part of my signature campaign, which I consider as a family, because we are only 25, quality posters, many with good reputation and in DT and some merit sources.

But if as a result of the thread I see that I would not trust them for money deals, I will leave it reflected in red tags.

[GazetaBitcoin]

The problem is (again) the lack of clear documentation, which makes me thing (again) it's part of the smoke curtain.

True!

Maybe they used leverage trading on Binance exchange that is highly risky, so they could in theory earn much more but they could also lose everything.
Before making more speculations let's wait and see transactions proof and updates.

Yes, until more details are given all we have is questions...

Just wondering could you make a nice Romanian wedding celebration with $350k?
I am asking for a friend.

Considering that the cost of a travel in space is 250.000$, I think that with 350.000$ I can have a wedding in every country of Europe, to say the least (one wedding per week I mean)

I believe today is December 19 and we still don't have any updates from member crwth like he said.
No updates on Charity topic also, but he is active everyday participating and writing as a part of his signature campaign.

I think they said the deadline is Dec 20th, thus today should be a great day  

Besides, the fact that those USDT / XRP / ETH / BNB donations were mentioned without posting addresses for them too, this raises question marks... I wish the users in question can be able to answer to all the questions, as I thought they were members with good reputation and I am sure, at least, that some of the funds really went to charities. The question though is how many funds went to charities...

[Poker Player]

I think they said the deadline is Dec 20th, thus today should be a great day  

So said crwth before a typhoon swept through the Philippines. The typhoon seems to have affected the areas where cabalism13 and bL4nkcode are, but we don't know if it affected crwth's area. He might come around here and say something, because he committed to give data yesterday, and is still posting regularly on the forum as usual.

[sheenshane]

I thought this is already settled by it seems they choose to keep silent.

Yes, we've been hit by the super typhoon named "Odette" on Friday and Saturday.  I have been experienced since that day, no Electricity, No internet and the worst is no water and lack of food due to the cause of the heavy flood for two days.  Good thing I have my laptop saved and now it is almost 85% restoration of internet and electricity supply has been done and glad to see I can able to access the forum again.

Odette' slashes across 7 regions and it more wost in the Visayas and in Mindanao where I'm located.  But in NCR where they live and most charity activities are being held is on Morong Rizal and San Mateo Rizal and I have doubt they're near on that places which I think they only experienced signal number one only, AFAIK.  So, I don't think they are affected that much.

I hope they will resolve this ASAP, it's again the Filipino reputation which I hate when there's a fraud involved.

[Poker Player]

crwth has updated the charity thread, as he promised.

[RapTarX]

crwth has updated the charity thread, as he promised.

None of the auditor would accept the image as proof of the expenditure. I guess yahoo62278 or any other forum member was looking for some proofs which have tx amount & references. Either way, it's still something though the images of proof can be some random images too (just the probability).

[LoyceV]

crwth has updated the charity thread, as he promised.

None of the auditor would accept the image as proof of the expenditure.

I was disappointed too, I was hoping to see a list of expenses. Now it looks like the PR-side of the charity instead of the accounting side.

[AB de Royse777]

crwth has updated the charity thread, as he promised.

None of the auditor would accept the image as proof of the expenditure.

I was disappointed too, I was to see a list of expenses. Now it looks like the PR-side of the charity instead of the accounting side.

Something like this would have been nice :-D
Credit

Jokes aside, I was expecting a formal presentation with the money flow and purchase receipts etc. The users are experience in the community and they should know how it works when it's a matter to present proofs.

[RapTarX]

I was disappointed too, I was to see a list of expenses. Now it looks like the PR-side of the charity instead of the accounting side.

I don't mind as long as they were in the charity thread but now things are different. They didn't act as they should have done; especially I'm disappointed with the activity from bl4nkcode (as escrow). Things would have been better & accordingly if bl4nkcode have acted as the way he would.

I will leave the questions and accusations as is, until cabalism provide the whole list of the past transactions and activities in a single sheet.

As escrow, you must have had a better explanation and records I guess.

[LoyceV]

The users are experience in the community and they should know how it works when it's a matter to present proofs.

They also know how to hide things if it's shady.

I will leave the questions and accusations as is, until cabalism provide the whole list of the past transactions and activities in a single sheet.

As escrow, you must have had a better explanation and records I guess.

No funds should have been released without "the whole list" being presented to the escrow.

[NotATether]

As things stand @cabalism13 has admitted to using $500 for personal use which is completely inappropriate - but I can understand the life or death situation of a family member - wouldn't most of us here do the same and then return that funds back?

If I were him I would've gotten a separate loan from DS for the $500 with a shorter due date... or used one of these lending platforms assuming that the crypto cannot be directly liquidated: https://spendmenot.com/best/bitcoin-lending-sites/

Spending charity money on personal expenses (even on something like this) is not something I'd feel comfortable doing.