Teachers deserve more

[Rockstarguy]

Teachers are nation builder. Teachers are professional who are trained specifically to train pupils, students from kindergarten  to the terminal of education in any part of the world. Teachers are builders who psychologically and educationally trained to understand  the mental ability of every child to be what they can do best in pursuit of education.

Today's world of development call it engineering,  medical,  military,  religion  etc, are the brain work of a teacher. So looking at the human development holistically,  without Teachers the world would not get to where it is. It would be appropriate to say after God, the Teachers should be mark next for the ability to procreate and bring human to what they should be in the future.

In this sense it is up to say that teacher should be well rewarded if we need the best from them, no teacher no development as the case may be.

[franky1]

touchy subject

kindergarten/playschool:
teachers usually are just there as babysitters. giving kids a paintbrush or a ball to play with while parents work.
some do however go the extra mile to inspire and teach. but broadly its a babysitting gig.
its a little hard to gauge which Kindergarten teacher has gone the extra mile. unless their was a 'parent survey' teacher review system to rate teachers based on toddlers behaviour.
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k-12/primary school:
classes teach the basic things society need to get on day to day. reading, calculating. learning a bit about history and how things work. which is pivotal for making the difference of the success of a kid in later life. this needs to be rewarded to ensure all kids get a good first step into eduction and life. by this i mean rewarded based on a % based on the success of all kids in the class meeting basic thresholds.
many schools/education systems dont have diploma's or exams, where kids move on to secondary/highschool even if they have not learned how to read or write where by 'graduating' is based on age not skill.

kids should not be held back from their peers by keeping them in k-12 until they pass an exam. but k-12 teachers should not get a bonus if half the class cant read when the kids age-out of k-12.

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highschool/secondary school:
teach kids many things. but sometimes useless things that are never used in the real life, taking time away from things that might be used in the real world.. like wasting weeks on trigonometry, but not taking a day to learn about how banks 'print money' using the scam deception of credit cards and mortgages. i think keeps should learn about responsible 'lending'/using credit. more so than trigonometry.

teacher should be more rewarded for teaching life skills and things that are needed. not rewarded for following a national curriculum plan
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universities/colleges:
each student pays on average $£10k+ a year and a class is like 30+students strong, some 100 per class. meaning the professors are paid many hundreds of thousands.. by which the quality and depth of detail of those classes should reflect over $300k of professors teaching.
many university professors just turn up, write a title on a chalk board, and ask their students to do their own research on the topic. something not worthy of $300k a year

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im not saying dont reward teachers for what they are doing now. im saying add in some incentive for teachers to go the extra mile. and reward that with extra reward

[Cnut237]

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Teachers should be paid more. And paying more will attract people who are better able to fit the requirements of the job. But I would say that the thing that needs changing is the nature of the job itself. I don't know what it's like where you are, but in my country 'teaching' is no longer about education, it's about training the kids to pass exams in order to boost the school's position in the league table.

If you put more money into it now, you'll just end up with teachers who are even better at training exam-passing robots. What you need to do first is to change the nature of the job. And that's quite a task. It would be great, but is so difficult to achieve. Even a change of government is unlikely to have any effect, as the 'league table' mentality is so embedded.

useless things that are never used in the real life, taking time away from things that might be used in the real world.. like wasting weeks on trigonometry

Hey! I use trigonometry in the real world!

[Rockstarguy]

touchy subject

kindergarten/playschool:
teachers usually are just there as babysitters. giving kids a paintbrush or a ball to play with while parents work.
some do however go the extra mile to inspire and teach. but broadly its a babysitting gig.
its a little hard to gauge which Kindergarten teacher has gone the extra mile. unless their was a 'parent survey' teacher review system to rate teachers based on toddlers behaviour.
..

k-12/primary school:
classes teach the basic things society need to get on day to day. reading, calculating. learning a bit about history and how things work. which is pivotal for making the difference of the success of a kid in later life. this needs to be rewarded to ensure all kids get a good first step into eduction and life. by this i mean rewarded based on a % based on the success of all kids in the class meeting basic thresholds.
many schools/education systems dont have diploma's or exams, where kids move on to secondary/highschool even if they have not learned how to read or write where by 'graduating' is based on age not skill.

kids should not be held back from their peers by keeping them in k-12 until they pass an exam. but k-12 teachers should not get a bonus if half the class cant read when the kids age-out of k-12.

..

highschool/secondary school:
teach kids many things. but sometimes useless things that are never used in the real life, taking time away from things that might be used in the real world.. like wasting weeks on trigonometry, but not taking a day to learn about how banks 'print money' using the scam deception of credit cards and mortgages. i think keeps should learn about responsible 'lending'/using credit. more so than trigonometry.

teacher should be more rewarded for teaching life skills and things that are needed. not rewarded for following a national curriculum plan
..

universities/colleges:
each student pays on average $£10k+ a year and a class is like 30+students strong, some 100 per class. meaning the professors are paid many hundreds of thousands.. by which the quality and depth of detail of those classes should reflect over $300k of professors teaching.
many university professors just turn up, write a title on a chalk board, and ask their students to do their own research on the topic. something not worthy of $300k a year

..
im not saying dont reward teachers for what they are doing now. im saying add in some incentive for teachers to go the extra mile. and reward that with extra reward

The above responses are true, however the teachers in kindergarten,  primary  and secondary  and to the  University  are not trigonometry  teachers,  so their work should not be counted abortive  on the sense that  they joined to socialize the pupils and students  at a given  stage of education  in life and in the society.  So, base on their  facts I still summit that teachers  be rewarded and their effective  services  be requested  for, and proper curriculum development can change the system referred to as (trigonometry).
The following should be raised.
The medical sciences practitioners, lawyers  etc are they not practicing the knowledge they obtained in school in the real life?
 

[franky1]

trigonometry was just a silly example. of something not commonly practiced compared to how much using a credit card is.

its things like:
spending 3 weeks learning about the first world war. but only spending a day on sex education.
spending 3 months learning about the periodic table. but spending only a week learning about sugars and fats and diets

i know that teaching chemistry seems like something everyone should learn. but make it more practical and applicable to real life needs of such.

EG why waste time learning about atomic bonds of hydrogen where no one has any pure hydrogen stored at home to play with. where as teaching about hydrogen, oxygen and carbon bonds. and how it relates to everything from sugars, fats plastics is more interesting and relevant and still teaches about atomic bonds, but more worthy of remembering

its been a few decades since i was in college, and longer since secondary school. but i seemed to have learned more about computer programming during the 6 week summer break than i did in the whole 2 year college course and then the extra years in higher education.

i learned more about sex-ed in one evening with a girlfriend during secondary school than i did in my entire 11 years of primary, secondary education.. but then again.. none of my teachers were attractive enough to want to learn the things i got to learn from my then girlfriend

[Lordhermes]

Teachers really deserve more because they are the reasons why all category of people from different field become what they become.
The world do not really acknowledge teachers because they are not paid much.Training human being from the scratch till he becomes an honourable man in the society is not easy,but they are the least appreciated set of people.

[franky1]

Teachers really deserve more because they are the reasons why all category of people from different field become what they become.
The world do not really acknowledge teachers because they are not paid much.Training human being from the scratch till he becomes an honourable man in the society is not easy,but they are the least appreciated set of people.

not all teachers are equal..
.. teachers in developing countries/under privileged neighbourhoods do not really teach future rocket scientists.

[Gasty4]

trigonometry was just a silly example. of something not commonly practiced compared to how

its been a few decades since i was in college, and longer since secondary school. but i seemed to have learned more about computer programming during the 6 week summer break than i did in the whole 2 year college course and then the extra years in higher education.

i learned more about sex-ed in one evening with a girlfriend during secondary school than i did in my entire 11 years of primary, secondary education.. but then again.. none of my teachers were attractive enough to want to learn the things i got to learn from my then girlfriend

I can relate to the aspect of sex, you'll get to learn a whole lot in an hour or two.
Although I had an attractive teacher but wouldn't want to make such a move first hahaha.
Honestly,I love the courage attached to this.

[Cnut237]

trigonometry was just a silly example.

Yeah, I know, I understand your general point, I was just being flippant.

why waste time learning about atomic bonds of hydrogen where no one has any pure hydrogen stored at home to play with. where as teaching about hydrogen, oxygen and carbon bonds. and how it relates to everything from sugars, fats plastics is more interesting and relevant and still teaches about atomic bonds, but more worthy of remembering

I agree in part, but I suppose it would have to be a compromise solution. If you're doing a Science GCSE, for example, in order to do a Chemistry 'A' level, in order to do a Chemistry degree, in order to get a job in a lab, then  you'd need that primer in order to understand more advanced topics later on. But I appreciate this would only be a very small subset of the students, and the others would benefit from more 'real world' skills and knowledge.

[franky1]

im not saying not to learn about hydrogen bonds.. im saying make it more applicable to things teenagers think about.. such as their diet or plastics. to atleast get the information to "soak in" as if its a needed common fact worthy of remembering beyond an exam a day after 'revising' the periodic table.

just making it a boring "hydrogen bond" "periodic table" numbers numbers numbers. doesnt actually let the information enter the brain like a sponge and soak in.. however learning about how hydrogen and oxygen bond to make water and how hydro carbons(oil/plastic) differ from carbo hydrates(fats sugars) atleast makes it feel that learning about hydrogen bonds is more relevant to real life, actually needed info that can help in general life.

all im saying is teaching styles that inspire soaking up information that lasts passed the exam should be rewarded.. but poor teaching style just to get a student to pass an exam and then never thought about again should not be rewarded.

i have learned many things. but i have then forgot just as much, if i found it irrelevant to my general life needs.

EG instead of learning trig' by doing the paper math of a²+b²=c² is not helpful for life skills. but putting it into practice of knowing that if you walk south down a road 200metres and then east along a road 200metres or you wanted to take a diagonal short cut through a park, how many metres, how much time can you save in your walk.

at school many decades ago. i never really 'soaked in' trig', because i was taught the 'math' using boring 'heres some numbers. heres the formulae. no explanation why the ² is needed. just tell me answers'. so i never needed to bother to remember the formulae or why it works, as the formulae was just there on paper right infront of me. so no need to think about it.

it wasnt until i used it practically using real life scenarios, that it made sense to actually remember the formulae a²+b²=c²

[Cnut237]

'heres some numbers. heres the formulae. no explanation why the ² is needed. just tell me answers'. so i never needed to bother to remember the formulae or why it works, as the formulae was just there on paper right infront of me. so no need to think about it.

Yes, I agree. Teaching dry formulae and not how they apply to real-world situations is a problem, and is very similar to the point I was making about schools being basically exam-passing factories rather than focused on real learning and understanding. The question I suppose is how they could move away from the current system. I can't see them ever wanting to get rid of league tables, but maybe the schools could be measured in some other way.

[franky1]

'heres some numbers. heres the formulae. no explanation why the ² is needed. just tell me answers'. so i never needed to bother to remember the formulae or why it works, as the formulae was just there on paper right infront of me. so no need to think about it.

Yes, I agree. Teaching dry formulae and not how they apply to real-world situations is a problem, and is very similar to the point I was making about schools being basically exam-passing factories rather than focused on real learning and understanding. The question I suppose is how they could move away from the current system. I can't see them ever wanting to get rid of league tables, but maybe the schools could be measured in some other way.

basing kids whole school grading on just a bunch of final year graduation exams, which are based solely on how much them kids got to re-read upto 11 years of teachings in the 2 months leading upto the exams is a false grading system that means nothing in later life..

however, grading their final graduation results on the homework/course work done each week thoughout school when its not just based on if they got the answers right but also if they atleast showed understanding of the principles of how they could work out the answer. would atleast show how well someone can learn, interpret, and solve.

this would change how teachers teach.

heck things could even change in regards to, instead of just A-E grade which just how well they answer stuff. ALSO have it categorised
1-5 of leadership skills.
1-5 of confidence
1-5 of practical
1-5 of literature(reading)
1-5 of literature(speaking)
1-5 of problem solving/thinking out of the box

this gauging to a kids 'skill' can help teachers also find new ways to teach which meet the general type of students in class. eg if most are visual/practical learners but not very literate. then do visual learning... while also concentrating to 'up' their literature levels in other ways in other lessons

some schools do this merit system of lifeskills in the form of certificates (like employee of the month things) where they are given certificates for showing leadership or confidence

[Gosgosking]

Teachers really deserve more because they are the reasons why all category of people from different field become what they become.
The world do not really acknowledge teachers because they are not paid much.Training human being from the scratch till he becomes an honourable man in the society is not easy,but they are the least appreciated set of people.

not all teachers are equal..
.. teachers in developing countries/under privileged neighbourhoods do not really teach future rocket scientists.

All teachers are not the same , teaching job is a job anyone can get easily . Most people who seek for job ,after how many years which they could not get anyone they see teaching jobs as one they can manage for the main time to have source of income, teachers like this are not called to be teachers but they fit into the profession because they lack job. This are the unqualified teachers that are nor able to show up to standard.

[yhiaali3]

Here in our country, we have a beautiful saying: “Teachers are real builders because they build man, and man is the end of life and the starting point of life.” There is also another old saying: “Whoever teaches me a letter, I will be his slave.”
These sayings express the position of teachers in ancient and modern civilizations, this is absolutely true because teachers are the true builders of any civilization, because they teach children and young people who will be in the future the nucleus that constitutes the renaissance of the nation, so they must always have a high position in any nation seeking promotion and civilization.

[Awwal08]

Teachers deserve more, without a teacher a society will not develop. Teachers should be respected because they build an empire of a nation, what make me feel bad is that in my country teachers are not respected, there are one of the least job in my country which government don't pay attention to. Even though they are benefiting from what they are taught by their teachers.

[franky1]

Here in our country, we have a beautiful saying: “Teachers are real builders because they build man, and man is the end of life and the starting point of life.”

but men dont get pregnant and produce new life... so i think you find its women that are the people builders and the starting point of life

[Maestro75]

EG instead of learning trig' by doing the paper math of a²+b²=c² is not helpful for life skills. but putting it into practice of knowing that if you walk south down a road 200metres and then east along a road 200metres or you wanted to take a diagonal short cut through a park, how many metres, how much time can you save in your walk.

at school many decades ago. i never really 'soaked in' trig', because i was taught the 'math' using boring 'heres some numbers. heres the formulae. no explanation why the ² is needed. just tell me answers'. so i never needed to bother to remember the formulae or why it works, as the formulae was just there on paper right infront of me. so no need to think about it.

it wasnt until i used it practically using real life scenarios, that it made sense to actually remember the formulae a²+b²=c²

This example gives me a flashback of my maths classes too where we were often asked to find variables. Those variables are mostly "x" and "y". How funny it does not make sense as after school I still can not find them. I know some people will say that those variables of x and y are monetary representations in real life.

[franky1]

it wasnt until i used it practically using real life scenarios, that it made sense to actually remember the formulae a²+b²=c²

This example gives me a flashback of my maths classes too where we were often asked to find variables. Those variables are mostly "x" and "y". How funny it does not make sense as after school I still can not find them. I know some people will say that those variables of x and y are monetary representations in real life.

[Maestro75]

This example gives me a flashback of my maths classes too where we were often asked to find variables. Those variables are mostly "x" and "y". How funny it does not make sense as after school I still can not find them. I know some people will say that those variables of x and y are monetary representations in real life.

Am not still able to find it in real life except on diagrams like what you have there. In school that was a boring aspect of my learning.

[Lordhermes]

It's very obvious that teachers really impact knowledge on student both primary, secondary and even higher institution,and without the teacher what would have become of us because it's not every thing we know, therefore,we go to school to acquire more because even or own parents can't teach us every thing that's why they referred us to teachers so teachers deserves more for the knowledge they impact on us being student because without them we can't know the things we know.