Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[be.open]

Seems like Putin is going to be a bad bad dog. He has his own pre-conditions to even a cease fire - such as Ukraine not receiving anything during the 30 days (while obviously he will be replenishing the front like crazy).

Also, he wants to keep pushing the full disarmament, recognition of territories under occupation... well, I think Trump and Rubio are about to discover how useless is to talk to Putin. First you need a significant military defeat, then another and then... may be the dog will sit.

All this publicly expressed so it now clear for Trump the degree of "respect" they have for the US.

Trump: Zelensky, we need peace
Zelensky: I disagree
Trump: fuck Zelensky
Zelensky: I agree
Macron: forms a coalition of "the willing"
Trump: Putin, we need peace
Putin: I agree, but we need to fuck Zelensky

=== you are here === ÂÂ

That was a month ago...
...

It started a month ago and continues right now.  

I clearly meant that Zelensky already offered to resign - I do not think he has any further interest in power, he can probably make a much better living writting books and giving conferences. Zelensky is the object of hate of Putin and Ruzzia simply because he dared to show how the "emperor was naked", but that is it... it does not have any other consequence for war, just for Putin politics to show as sign of "victory", and he is going to need lots of "signs" to make a "victory" out of this.

Of course Zelensky will resign, but not right now. Because right now he will continue to do everything Trump wants him to do, after Zelensky's written apology and agreement to a ceasefire in Saudi Arabia. And what exactly Trump wants from Zelensky became clear recently in Moscow after Wiethoff's visit to Putin.

[mariott]

Putin is being bowed down, Trump and Zelensky have beautifully played the scheme, they have trump cards.

[montaga]

Biggest protests Serbia has ever seen, massive protest against Orban in Hungary, Romania also still going and above all workers in one Starbucks shop also protesting
https://x.com/i/status/1900972982958518423
Time to fasten seatbelts

[paxmao]

Seems like Putin is going to be a bad bad dog. He has his own pre-conditions to even a cease fire - such as Ukraine not receiving anything during the 30 days (while obviously he will be replenishing the front like crazy).

Also, he wants to keep pushing the full disarmament, recognition of territories under occupation... well, I think Trump and Rubio are about to discover how useless is to talk to Putin. First you need a significant military defeat, then another and then... may be the dog will sit.

All this publicly expressed so it now clear for Trump the degree of "respect" they have for the US.

Trump: Zelensky, we need peace
Zelensky: I disagree
Trump: fuck Zelensky
Zelensky: I agree
Macron: forms a coalition of "the willing"
Trump: Putin, we need peace
Putin: I agree, but we need to fuck Zelensky

=== you are here === ÂÂ

That was a month ago...
...

It started a month ago and continues right now. Â

I clearly meant that Zelensky already offered to resign - I do not think he has any further interest in power, he can probably make a much better living writting books and giving conferences. Zelensky is the object of hate of Putin and Ruzzia simply because he dared to show how the "emperor was naked", but that is it... it does not have any other consequence for war, just for Putin politics to show as sign of "victory", and he is going to need lots of "signs" to make a "victory" out of this.

Of course Zelensky will resign, but not right now. Because right now he will continue to do everything Trump wants him to do, after Zelensky's written apology and agreement to a ceasefire in Saudi Arabia. And what exactly Trump wants from Zelensky became clear recently in Moscow after Wiethoff's visit to Putin.

Well, I cannot say you are wrong... Zelensky will eventually leave power. That is how it should be in a democracy, but I know you live in a place where that does not happen until the leader is senile, sometimes not even then.

But Zelensky will not necesarily do "as told". It has been made abundantly clear that not any peace is acceptable.

The current strategy of Ukraine is giving the US (stupids) diplomats an accelerated course on "Ruzzia Diplomacy". The syllabus of the course is:

1 - Ruzzia will nor ever renounce to taking over all Ukraine, and if possible the rest of Eastern Europe.
2 - If they say something else, please refer to number 1.
3 - If they speak of peace, please refer to number 1.
4 - If they say they are not going to invade in the future, please refer to number 1.
5 - If you are trying to apease, please refere to number 1.
6 - If for any weird reason you feel Ruzzia is negotiating in good faith... good guess! go number 1.

Unfortunately, this can only be temporarily changed by Ruzzia simply not having enough resources to keep pushing or by giving Putin or whoever is next a good guarantee of Ruzzia being defeated beyong any possible doubt -  AKA "security guarantees".

 The US will do very well in not having Ruzzia in good shape if (when?) China decides to take over the Pacific (not just Taiwan, everything else). If he is stupid enough to ignore this... well, US will pay for it.

[DaRude]

Seems like Putin is going to be a bad bad dog. He has his own pre-conditions to even a cease fire - such as Ukraine not receiving anything during the 30 days (while obviously he will be replenishing the front like crazy).

Also, he wants to keep pushing the full disarmament, recognition of territories under occupation... well, I think Trump and Rubio are about to discover how useless is to talk to Putin. First you need a significant military defeat, then another and then... may be the dog will sit.

All this publicly expressed so it now clear for Trump the degree of "respect" they have for the US.

Trump: Zelensky, we need peace
Zelensky: I disagree
Trump: fuck Zelensky
Zelensky: I agree
Macron: forms a coalition of "the willing"
Trump: Putin, we need peace
Putin: I agree, but we need to fuck Zelensky

=== you are here === ÂÂ

That was a month ago...
...

It started a month ago and continues right now. Â

I clearly meant that Zelensky already offered to resign - I do not think he has any further interest in power, he can probably make a much better living writting books and giving conferences. Zelensky is the object of hate of Putin and Ruzzia simply because he dared to show how the "emperor was naked", but that is it... it does not have any other consequence for war, just for Putin politics to show as sign of "victory", and he is going to need lots of "signs" to make a "victory" out of this.

Of course Zelensky will resign, but not right now. Because right now he will continue to do everything Trump wants him to do, after Zelensky's written apology and agreement to a ceasefire in Saudi Arabia. And what exactly Trump wants from Zelensky became clear recently in Moscow after Wiethoff's visit to Putin.

Well, I cannot say you are wrong... Zelensky will eventually leave power. That is how it should be in a democracy, but I know you live in a place where that does not happen until the leader is senile, sometimes not even then.

But Zelensky will not necesarily do "as told". It has been made abundantly clear that not any peace is acceptable.

The current strategy of Ukraine is giving the US (stupids) diplomats an accelerated course on "Ruzzia Diplomacy". The syllabus of the course is:

1 - Ruzzia will nor ever renounce to taking over all Ukraine, and if possible the rest of Eastern Europe.
2 - If they say something else, please refer to number 1.
3 - If they speak of peace, please refer to number 1.
4 - If they say they are not going to invade in the future, please refer to number 1.
5 - If you are trying to apease, please refere to number 1.
6 - If for any weird reason you feel Ruzzia is negotiating in good faith... good guess! go number 1.

Unfortunately, this can only be temporarily changed by Ruzzia simply not having enough resources to keep pushing or by giving Putin or whoever is next a good guarantee of Ruzzia being defeated beyong any possible doubt -  AKA "security guarantees".

 The US will do very well in not having Ruzzia in good shape if (when?) China decides to take over the Pacific (not just Taiwan, everything else). If he is stupid enough to ignore this... well, US will pay for it.

And Putin and Zhi will eventually leave power too. Everyone will eventually leave everything. Despite your typical silly play on words, as you're well aware, the question is of timing.

No one cares what is acceptable to Zelensky. So far Ukraine's strongest position was when Ukraine took Kherson and that was the best time for negotiations. Zelensky's reluctance to negotiate since then only cost more Ukrainian lives and land, objectively putting Ukraine (and EU) in a worse and worse position everyday. And now Ukraine doesn't have Kursk to bargain with. At this point i can't tell a difference between whatever is Zelensky's plan and fighting to the last Ukrainian, or is that is his plan and was all along?

Ahh yes great pivot, to consider your greatest ally, the sole reason you survived (but just kept loosing slowly) the last 3 years as stupid, I'm sure it's another great plan from Zelensky. What can possibly go wrong with such plan  

Of course, you see the big overall picture and China doesn't, they're surely will just let it happen and won't interfere to better their positions if (when?) they decides to take over the Pacific. Do you yourself believe what you type?

[hellflame]

...erm that's the whole idea boss. You either get on with the business of bankrupting yourself in Ukraine with a full scale invasion before the bankers armies come or face the music later so it is a catch 22 you have found yourself in hombre

[paxmao]

^^^bAll I can read in there is "they are told". They are told like in they are commanded to do something? Like in "I order you not to do this and that"? I am sure that works fantastically well in your world, but the Prime Ministers of UK and France are not "told to do" things, it is more like they tell what things will be done.

Putin needs to either confirm that he is into this war forever, or for 2 more years or that there will never be peace or... stop "telling" others what to do. The time to double down over and over on a failed strategy and sending more troops after a failed invasion is running short.

Now, Ruzzia, be a good dog and have a cease fire. I go the feeling that Trump will not just "keept the war going" like Biden, he may actually try to finish it either by agreement or by another year of attrition, but supplying the right weapons and helping Ukraine "de-crude-oil-fy" Ruzzia.

Speaking of which... year low for the Brent at nearly yearly minimum... this war is going to become very dificult to pay for Ruzzia.

Seems like Putin is going to be a bad bad dog. He has his own pre-conditions to even a cease fire - such as Ukraine not receiving anything during the 30 days (while obviously he will be replenishing the front like crazy).

Also, he wants to keep pushing the full disarmament, recognition of territories under occupation... well, I think Trump and Rubio are about to discover how useless is to talk to Putin. First you need a significant military defeat, then another and then... may be the dog will sit.

All this publicly expressed so it now clear for Trump the degree of "respect" they have for the US.

Trump: Zelensky, we need peace
Zelensky: I disagree
Trump: fuck Zelensky
Zelensky: I agree
Macron: forms a coalition of "the willing"
Trump: Putin, we need peace
Putin: I agree, but we need to fuck Zelensky

=== you are here === ÂÂ

That was a month ago...
...

It started a month ago and continues right now. Â

I clearly meant that Zelensky already offered to resign - I do not think he has any further interest in power, he can probably make a much better living writting books and giving conferences. Zelensky is the object of hate of Putin and Ruzzia simply because he dared to show how the "emperor was naked", but that is it... it does not have any other consequence for war, just for Putin politics to show as sign of "victory", and he is going to need lots of "signs" to make a "victory" out of this.

Of course Zelensky will resign, but not right now. Because right now he will continue to do everything Trump wants him to do, after Zelensky's written apology and agreement to a ceasefire in Saudi Arabia. And what exactly Trump wants from Zelensky became clear recently in Moscow after Wiethoff's visit to Putin.

Well, I cannot say you are wrong... Zelensky will eventually leave power. That is how it should be in a democracy, but I know you live in a place where that does not happen until the leader is senile, sometimes not even then.

But Zelensky will not necesarily do "as told". It has been made abundantly clear that not any peace is acceptable.

The current strategy of Ukraine is giving the US (stupids) diplomats an accelerated course on "Ruzzia Diplomacy". The syllabus of the course is:

1 - Ruzzia will nor ever renounce to taking over all Ukraine, and if possible the rest of Eastern Europe.
2 - If they say something else, please refer to number 1.
3 - If they speak of peace, please refer to number 1.
4 - If they say they are not going to invade in the future, please refer to number 1.
5 - If you are trying to apease, please refere to number 1.
6 - If for any weird reason you feel Ruzzia is negotiating in good faith... good guess! go number 1.

Unfortunately, this can only be temporarily changed by Ruzzia simply not having enough resources to keep pushing or by giving Putin or whoever is next a good guarantee of Ruzzia being defeated beyong any possible doubt -  AKA "security guarantees".

 The US will do very well in not having Ruzzia in good shape if (when?) China decides to take over the Pacific (not just Taiwan, everything else). If he is stupid enough to ignore this... well, US will pay for it.

And Putin and Zhi will eventually leave power too. Everyone will eventually leave everything. Despite your typical silly play on words, as you're well aware, the question is of timing.

No one cares what is acceptable to Zelensky. [...]

Again... three posts explaining the same thing... Zelensky is irrelevant in terms of the requirements of Ukraine to accept any peace. The war is continuing because Ruzzia wans to take over Ukraine, either now or later, and Ukraine mostly wants to not be taken.

This seems to be lasting for another year probably, unless Trump decides something else... in whcih case it is still going to last at least 8 months with EUs supplies.

[montaga]

Zelenskiy and Putin are both members of the Chabad-Lubavitch cult/gang (whatever you want to call  it) with the goal to exterminate none believers and carve outt the own country from 8 eastern Ukraine provinces (including Transnistria, minus Crimea).
All politics is theater.

[DaRude]

^^^bAll I can read in there is "they are told". They are told like in they are commanded to do something? Like in "I order you not to do this and that"? I am sure that works fantastically well in your world, but the Prime Ministers of UK and France are not "told to do" things, it is more like they tell what things will be done.

Putin needs to either confirm that he is into this war forever, or for 2 more years or that there will never be peace or... stop "telling" others what to do. The time to double down over and over on a failed strategy and sending more troops after a failed invasion is running short.

Now, Ruzzia, be a good dog and have a cease fire. I go the feeling that Trump will not just "keept the war going" like Biden, he may actually try to finish it either by agreement or by another year of attrition, but supplying the right weapons and helping Ukraine "de-crude-oil-fy" Ruzzia.

Speaking of which... year low for the Brent at nearly yearly minimum... this war is going to become very dificult to pay for Ruzzia.

Seems like Putin is going to be a bad bad dog. He has his own pre-conditions to even a cease fire - such as Ukraine not receiving anything during the 30 days (while obviously he will be replenishing the front like crazy).

Also, he wants to keep pushing the full disarmament, recognition of territories under occupation... well, I think Trump and Rubio are about to discover how useless is to talk to Putin. First you need a significant military defeat, then another and then... may be the dog will sit.

All this publicly expressed so it now clear for Trump the degree of "respect" they have for the US.

Trump: Zelensky, we need peace
Zelensky: I disagree
Trump: fuck Zelensky
Zelensky: I agree
Macron: forms a coalition of "the willing"
Trump: Putin, we need peace
Putin: I agree, but we need to fuck Zelensky

=== you are here === ÂÂ

That was a month ago...
...

It started a month ago and continues right now. Â

I clearly meant that Zelensky already offered to resign - I do not think he has any further interest in power, he can probably make a much better living writting books and giving conferences. Zelensky is the object of hate of Putin and Ruzzia simply because he dared to show how the "emperor was naked", but that is it... it does not have any other consequence for war, just for Putin politics to show as sign of "victory", and he is going to need lots of "signs" to make a "victory" out of this.

Of course Zelensky will resign, but not right now. Because right now he will continue to do everything Trump wants him to do, after Zelensky's written apology and agreement to a ceasefire in Saudi Arabia. And what exactly Trump wants from Zelensky became clear recently in Moscow after Wiethoff's visit to Putin.

Well, I cannot say you are wrong... Zelensky will eventually leave power. That is how it should be in a democracy, but I know you live in a place where that does not happen until the leader is senile, sometimes not even then.

But Zelensky will not necesarily do "as told". It has been made abundantly clear that not any peace is acceptable.

The current strategy of Ukraine is giving the US (stupids) diplomats an accelerated course on "Ruzzia Diplomacy". The syllabus of the course is:

1 - Ruzzia will nor ever renounce to taking over all Ukraine, and if possible the rest of Eastern Europe.
2 - If they say something else, please refer to number 1.
3 - If they speak of peace, please refer to number 1.
4 - If they say they are not going to invade in the future, please refer to number 1.
5 - If you are trying to apease, please refere to number 1.
6 - If for any weird reason you feel Ruzzia is negotiating in good faith... good guess! go number 1.

Unfortunately, this can only be temporarily changed by Ruzzia simply not having enough resources to keep pushing or by giving Putin or whoever is next a good guarantee of Ruzzia being defeated beyong any possible doubt - Â AKA "security guarantees".

 The US will do very well in not having Ruzzia in good shape if (when?) China decides to take over the Pacific (not just Taiwan, everything else). If he is stupid enough to ignore this... well, US will pay for it.

And Putin and Zhi will eventually leave power too. Everyone will eventually leave everything. Despite your typical silly play on words, as you're well aware, the question is of timing.

No one cares what is acceptable to Zelensky. [...]

Again... three posts explaining the same thing... Zelensky is irrelevant in terms of the requirements of Ukraine to accept any peace. The war is continuing because Ruzzia wans to take over Ukraine, either now or later, and Ukraine mostly wants to not be taken.

This seems to be lasting for another year probably, unless Trump decides something else... in whcih case it is still going to last at least 8 months with EUs supplies.

Well, we know that you think that US are idiots, but now you think that EU are idiots too, to burn money and their own economies and continue letting the far right to grow for 8 more month when they know that they cannot change the outcome? Truth of the matter is, everyone knows that without US backstoping, EU won't do anything, so it's all just posturing. They just now need to find a way to save face, sell this conflict at least as a tie, and then draw attention away from it, to quietly let it slide back under Russia's sphere of influence, pretty much just returning to how things were in 2013 before US started all of this.

This should give you a hint of what's happening in the real world:

U.S. to Withdraw From Group Investigating Responsibility for Ukraine Invasion

The decision is the latest indication of the Trump administration’s move away from holding President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia accountable for crimes committed against Ukrainians.

The Justice Department has informed European officials that the United States is withdrawing from a multinational group created to investigate leaders responsible for the invasion of Ukraine, including President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, according to a letter sent to members of the organization on Monday.

The decision to withdraw from the International Center for the Prosecution of the Crime of Aggression against Ukraine, which the Biden administration joined in 2023, is the latest indication of the Trump administration’s move away from President Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s commitment to holding Mr. Putin personally accountable for crimes committed against Ukrainians.

The group was created to hold the leadership of Russia, along with its allies in Belarus, North Korea and Iran, accountable for a category of crimes — defined as aggression under international law and treaties that violates another country’s sovereignty and is not initiated in self-defense
...
The Trump administration is also reducing work done by the department’s War Crimes Accountability Team, created in 2022 by the attorney general at the time, Merrick B. Garland, and staffed by experienced prosecutors. It was intended to coordinate Justice Department efforts to hold Russians accountable who are responsible for atrocities committed in the aftermath of the full invasion three years ago.
...
In recent comments, President Trump has moved closer to Mr. Putin while clashing with Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky — going so far as to falsely suggest that Ukraine played a role in provoking Russia’s brutal and illegal military incursion.

[paxmao]

^^ On the contrary, I have said over and over, the US has been playing Ruzzia, is still playing Ruzzia and will keep playing Ruzzia (and Europe). For starters, 75% of the tanks, APVs and many other armoured vehicles carefully stored during the Soviet times and later have been destroyed along with quite a bit of other equipment. If anything happens with China, these will not be at the back in a decade or more.

Your cherry picking does not impress anyone here. The NYT says that, others say this...

Now, "the real world" may actually show how Europe may take the chance offered by Trump. Macron is a pedantic snob, but he is not stupid and is calling for Europe to use their funds to buy and create a European native full set of military capabilities. France is starting to see itself as a future leader of Europe, Poland has asked to hold US nukes and that has been rejected... 3,2,1 until Poland decides to get Nukes (congratulations Putin).

What ever the NYT publishes changes nothing of these.

[BADecker]

^^^ The point is that even if Russia is militarily inferior to other nations, they have a lot of nukes. Nobody really knows which of their 'buttons' have to be pushed before they use their nukes. This is the reason why other nations are careful in actions, even if they are careless in words.

The November 21, use of Oreshnik last year shows that Russia can use nukes if they really want to. It also shows that they can use ICBM's without nukes if they really want to. We need to use caution when teasing the Russian bear, because so far, the Ukraine war is simply a war similar to WW2 fighting in many ways.

[DaRude]

^^ On the contrary, I have said over and over, the US has been playing Ruzzia, is still playing Ruzzia and will keep playing Ruzzia (and Europe). For starters, 75% of the tanks, APVs and many other armoured vehicles carefully stored during the Soviet times and later have been destroyed along with quite a bit of other equipment. If anything happens with China, these will not be at the back in a decade or more.

Your cherry picking does not impress anyone here. The NYT says that, others say this...

Now, "the real world" may actually show how Europe may take the chance offered by Trump. Macron is a pedantic snob, but he is not stupid and is calling for Europe to use their funds to buy and create a European native full set of military capabilities. France is starting to see itself as a future leader of Europe, Poland has asked to hold US nukes and that has been rejected... 3,2,1 until Poland decides to get Nukes (congratulations Putin).

What ever the NYT publishes changes nothing of these.

And how many APVs, tanks, artillery, air defense, shells etc etc etc... did the west loose that it had before this at their disposal or had an option to procure? And how many drones, drone operators, new warfare technologies, experienced battle hardened military, and military industrial complex did Russian gained instead of those soviet tanks?

Oh you don't like the source? How about Ukrainska Pravda for you EU confirms US withdrawal from group investigating Russia's war crimes in Ukraine I would love to see at least one source that says that US is not leaving International Center for the Prosecution of the Crime of Aggression against Ukraine. I'll wait...

So Macron will destroy France's quality of life, and switch France's industry from butter to guns and war footing (that will probably take decades to complete) because Macron really thinks that Russia is going to attack France? Or he really cares about expanding NATO into Ukraine without US so much? Even if he does try that, what will happen to the far right's Marine Le Pen's chances on the next elections?

Sorry, at this point i feel like i'm even destroying your dreams, that you're desperately trying to hang on to. I'll scale back on engaging your hypotheticals.

[BADecker]

The Trump ceasefire that has been broadcast so much lately, has been analyzed by Putin. And like Zelensky, Putin is asking for guarantees. The problem is that they are almost exactly opposite the ones Zelensky is asking for.


Putin Peels Off the Masks of the Ceasefire Kabuki


https://www.lewrockwell.com/2025/03/no_author/putin-peels-off-the-masks-of-the-ceasefire-kabuki/
The "ceasefire" announced with trademark bombast by Team Trump 2.0 should be seen as a tawdry kabuki inside a cheap matryoshka.

As we peel off the successive masks, the last one standing inside the matryoshka is a woke transvestite tiny dancer: a Minsk 3 in drag.

Now cue to a "ceasefire" redux: President Putin in uniform only for the second time since the start of the SMO, dead serious, visiting the frontline in Kursk.

Finally, cue to the actual peel off operation: Putin's press conference after his meeting with Lukashenko in Moscow.

Ceasefire? Of course. We support it. And then, methodically, diplomatically, the Russian President pulled a Caravaggio, and went all-out chiaroscuro on every geopolitical and military detail of the American gambit. A consumate artful deconstruction.

End result: the ball is now back in Donald Trump's court. Incidentally the leader of the revamping-in-progress Empire of Chaos who does not (italics mine) have the cards.

The art of diplomatic nuance

That's how diplomacy at the highest level works – something out of reach of American bumpkins of the Rubio variety.

Putin was gracious enough to thank "the President of the United States, Mr. Trump, for paying so much attention to resolving the conflict."

After all the Americans also seem to be involved in "achieving a noble mission, a mission to stop hostilities and the loss of human lives."

Then he went for the kill: "This ceasefire should lead to a long-term peace and eliminate the initial causes of this crisis."

As in all Russian key imperatives – widely known since at least June 2024 – will have to be satisfied. After all, it's Russia that's winning the war in the battlefield, not the U.S., the – already fragmented – NATO, and much less Ukraine.

Putin was adamant on the ceasefire: "We are for it."

But there are nuances; once again, it's called diplomacy. Starting with verification – arguably the crux of Putin's reasoning:

"These 30 days — how will they be used? To continue forced mobilization in Ukraine? To receive more arms supplies? To train newly mobilized units? Or will none of this happen?

How will the issues of control and verification be resolved? How can we be guaranteed that nothing like this will happen? How will the control be organized?
...

[Branko]

Ukraine threatens EU:

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-eu-trade-agreement-deputy-economy-minister-taras-kachka/

[BADecker]

Putin has finally laid down some of his requirements for a ceasefire.


Putin Demands Halt To All Western Arms For Ukraine Ahead Of Trump Call


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/putin-demands-halt-western-military-aid-ukraine-ahead-trump-call
Just ahead of the high-stakes phone call between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin on Tuesday, Bloomberg is reporting that the Russian leader will stipulate that all weapons deliveries to Ukraine, including US and European aid, be suspended. At this very moment the European Union has been busy ramping up efforts to deliver fresh military aid packages.

This comes as no surprise, given that from the start Moscow has condemned the build-up of NATO military infrastructure in Ukraine. It will be the first call between the two since Washington advanced the 30-day ceasefire plan with an aim of achieving a lasting peace. Putin is also expected to request that Ukraine's military cannot resupply or conduct training - especially by Western military programs - during the interim truce.

"Many elements of a Final Agreement have been agreed to, but much remains," Trump wrote Monday on Truth Social. He stressed that the war "must end NOW." Reports say the call is expected between 9am and 11am Washington time, and will include focus on "further normalization" - the Russian side indicated.

Trump's prior mention of "dividing up certain assets" was cause for much speculation on Monday, with much of the commentary focused on the likely question of control over Ukraine's nuclear power plants.

According to the latest from Bloomberg:

• Vladimir Putin is demanding a suspension of all weapons deliveries to Ukraine during any ceasefire, according to people with knowledge of the matter.

• Ahead of his call with Trump today, Putin has made this a prerequisite for Russia signing up to a truce, said a senior European official and three people in Moscow familiar with Russia's position.

• While Russia wants to halt all arms deliveries, its minimum aim is that US military aid should stop, two of the people said.

• The senior European official said Europe was extremely reluctant to agree to the demand. It would risk a situation where Russia was able to rearm during a truce but Ukraine was prevented from doing so, they said.

• It is the latest example of maximalist demands made by Putin which will be very difficult for Ukraine and Europe to accept.

• The UK and EU are both working on efforts to deliver fresh military aid packages to Ukraine as soon as possible.

• The suspension of arms supplies sought by Putin would be lifted after a final peace accord so long as Ukraine agreed to limits on its army, one person in Moscow said.
...

[paxmao]

^^ On the contrary, I have said over and over, the US has been playing Ruzzia, is still playing Ruzzia and will keep playing Ruzzia (and Europe). For starters, 75% of the tanks, APVs and many other armoured vehicles carefully stored during the Soviet times and later have been destroyed along with quite a bit of other equipment. If anything happens with China, these will not be at the back in a decade or more.

Your cherry picking does not impress anyone here. The NYT says that, others say this...

Now, "the real world" may actually show how Europe may take the chance offered by Trump. Macron is a pedantic snob, but he is not stupid and is calling for Europe to use their funds to buy and create a European native full set of military capabilities. France is starting to see itself as a future leader of Europe, Poland has asked to hold US nukes and that has been rejected... 3,2,1 until Poland decides to get Nukes (congratulations Putin).

What ever the NYT publishes changes nothing of these.

And how many APVs, tanks, artillery, air defense, shells etc etc etc... did the west loose that it had before this at their disposal or had an option to procure? And how many drones, drone operators, new warfare technologies, experienced battle hardened military, and military industrial complex did Russian gained instead of those soviet tanks?

Oh you don't like the source? How about Ukrainska Pravda for you EU confirms US withdrawal from group investigating Russia's war crimes in Ukraine I would love to see at least one source that says that US is not leaving International Center for the Prosecution of the Crime of Aggression against Ukraine. I'll wait...

So Macron will destroy France's quality of life, and switch France's industry from butter to guns and war footing (that will probably take decades to complete) because Macron really thinks that Russia is going to attack France? Or he really cares about expanding NATO into Ukraine without US so much? Even if he does try that, what will happen to the far right's Marine Le Pen's chances on the next elections?

Sorry, at this point i feel like i'm even destroying your dreams, that you're desperately trying to hang on to. I'll scale back on engaging your hypotheticals.

Not that many compared to the immense stocks of Bradleys and Abrams that the US holds in the deserst across the US. The GDP of the US and Europe allows for restoring stocks. Ruzzia has lost some equipment that can no longer be produced (the supply chains, components and know-how are no longer there) and it would take 10 to 20 years at the current rates to replenish the old Soviet Stocks. This is not by chance, the US knew and kept the stalemate to make sure this happened.

Again, irrelevant information no matter the sources. It is unlikely that those crimes will be punished, simply because as of now it cannot be enforced.

On the contrary, Macron and France have built their weapons industry and capabilities pretty much independently of the US. France is the one NATO country that buys little from the US. Capturing a large part of the financial budget for EU's rearmament will be quite profitable for France.

France does not need to "switch" the economy, it will enhance their existing means - 90% indigeous from the tanks to the air-defence, carriers and both Mirages and Rafale.

And yes, thanks to Putin now Europe cares about providing security guarantess to Ukraine - which in essence are security guarantees for all Europe.

[BADecker]

^^ On the contrary, I have said over and over, the US has been playing Ruzzia, is still playing Ruzzia and will keep playing Ruzzia (and Europe). For starters, 75% of the tanks, APVs and many other armoured vehicles carefully stored during the Soviet times and later have been destroyed along with quite a bit of other equipment. If anything happens with China, these will not be at the back in a decade or more.

Your cherry picking does not impress anyone here. The NYT says that, others say this...

Now, "the real world" may actually show how Europe may take the chance offered by Trump. Macron is a pedantic snob, but he is not stupid and is calling for Europe to use their funds to buy and create a European native full set of military capabilities. France is starting to see itself as a future leader of Europe, Poland has asked to hold US nukes and that has been rejected... 3,2,1 until Poland decides to get Nukes (congratulations Putin).

What ever the NYT publishes changes nothing of these.

And how many APVs, tanks, artillery, air defense, shells etc etc etc... did the west loose that it had before this at their disposal or had an option to procure? And how many drones, drone operators, new warfare technologies, experienced battle hardened military, and military industrial complex did Russian gained instead of those soviet tanks?

Oh you don't like the source? How about Ukrainska Pravda for you EU confirms US withdrawal from group investigating Russia's war crimes in Ukraine I would love to see at least one source that says that US is not leaving International Center for the Prosecution of the Crime of Aggression against Ukraine. I'll wait...

So Macron will destroy France's quality of life, and switch France's industry from butter to guns and war footing (that will probably take decades to complete) because Macron really thinks that Russia is going to attack France? Or he really cares about expanding NATO into Ukraine without US so much? Even if he does try that, what will happen to the far right's Marine Le Pen's chances on the next elections?

Sorry, at this point i feel like i'm even destroying your dreams, that you're desperately trying to hang on to. I'll scale back on engaging your hypotheticals.

Not that many compared to the immense stocks of Bradleys and Abrams that the US holds in the deserst across the US. The GDP of the US and Europe allows for restoring stocks. Ruzzia has lost some equipment that can no longer be produced (the supply chains, components and know-how are no longer there) and it would take 10 to 20 years at the current rates to replenish the old Soviet Stocks. This is not by chance, the US knew and kept the stalemate to make sure this happened.

Again, irrelevant information no matter the sources. It is unlikely that those crimes will be punished, simply because as of now it cannot be enforced.

On the contrary, Macron and France have built their weapons industry and capabilities pretty much independently of the US. France is the one NATO country that buys little from the US. Capturing a large part of the financial budget for EU's rearmament will be quite profitable for France.

France does not need to "switch" the economy, it will enhance their existing means - 90% indigeous from the tanks to the air-defence, carriers and both Mirages and Rafale.

And yes, thanks to Putin now Europe cares about providing security guarantess to Ukraine - which in essence are security guarantees for all Europe.

You seem to always be misinterpreting what is going on. Why not get rid of the stocks of Bradleys and Abrams? They are (except for some minor improvements) WW2 war machines. Let's get rid of them and move into the future, like we are doing with drones and satellite observation.

Any of Europe, even in the building and updating of their military, are so far behind in their ability to do anything, that they are outdated before they start. Macron is starting to improve his military with WW2 equipment that is outdated before he starts. Really, why would anybody do this except that they don't really know what is happening in the modern world, even when they look it in the face in Ukraine and Russia?

Thanks to Putin, the Russian military has advance so greatly that Europe is being shown that Russia isn't the same old USSR. Russia has moved into the modern world of international trade rather than 'conquer by force'. And it would go a lot better for the US and the EU if they would follow Russia's lead - yes, I say lead - and get out of 'money by debt contract' (fiat), and into gold, silver, and commodities trade the way Russia is attempting (even though she is playing the fiat game with the West).

You must be invested in military armament companies. It shows by the way you constantly promote more of the same.


Europe Goes Full Totalitarian And Puts The Entire Western World At Risk


https://alt-market.us/europe-goes-full-totalitarian-and-puts-the-entire-western-world-at-risk/
The outcome was predictable for many of us in the alternative media and the situation is only going to get worse in the next few years, but what does this mean for the rest of the world? With the European elites casting off their humanist masks and going outright Orwellian, what kind of chaos can we expect to unfold?

First and foremost I want to point out a key piece of irony here – For decades in the US we heard the tiresome argument that our 2nd Amendment gun rights are meaningless because they are "unnecessary in maintaining our freedoms". Anti-gun rights activists and politicians commonly used Europe as their sterling example:

"If gun rights are so important for freedom, then what about the Europeans? They have strict gun laws and they're not losing their rights…"

As Americans who understand what it means to fight a rebellion against tyranny and win, our response to this claim has always been the same: "Just give it time…"

Of course, we were right and they were wrong. I'm sure a large number of people among the 95% of EU and UK citizens that are disarmed are probably wishing desperately for firearms right about now. The reasons why are numerous and horrifying.
...

[DaRude]

^^ On the contrary, I have said over and over, the US has been playing Ruzzia, is still playing Ruzzia and will keep playing Ruzzia (and Europe). For starters, 75% of the tanks, APVs and many other armoured vehicles carefully stored during the Soviet times and later have been destroyed along with quite a bit of other equipment. If anything happens with China, these will not be at the back in a decade or more.

Your cherry picking does not impress anyone here. The NYT says that, others say this...

Now, "the real world" may actually show how Europe may take the chance offered by Trump. Macron is a pedantic snob, but he is not stupid and is calling for Europe to use their funds to buy and create a European native full set of military capabilities. France is starting to see itself as a future leader of Europe, Poland has asked to hold US nukes and that has been rejected... 3,2,1 until Poland decides to get Nukes (congratulations Putin).

What ever the NYT publishes changes nothing of these.

And how many APVs, tanks, artillery, air defense, shells etc etc etc... did the west loose that it had before this at their disposal or had an option to procure? And how many drones, drone operators, new warfare technologies, experienced battle hardened military, and military industrial complex did Russian gained instead of those soviet tanks?

Oh you don't like the source? How about Ukrainska Pravda for you EU confirms US withdrawal from group investigating Russia's war crimes in Ukraine I would love to see at least one source that says that US is not leaving International Center for the Prosecution of the Crime of Aggression against Ukraine. I'll wait...

So Macron will destroy France's quality of life, and switch France's industry from butter to guns and war footing (that will probably take decades to complete) because Macron really thinks that Russia is going to attack France? Or he really cares about expanding NATO into Ukraine without US so much? Even if he does try that, what will happen to the far right's Marine Le Pen's chances on the next elections?

Sorry, at this point i feel like i'm even destroying your dreams, that you're desperately trying to hang on to. I'll scale back on engaging your hypotheticals.

Not that many compared to the immense stocks of Bradleys and Abrams that the US holds in the deserst across the US. The GDP of the US and Europe allows for restoring stocks. Ruzzia has lost some equipment that can no longer be produced (the supply chains, components and know-how are no longer there) and it would take 10 to 20 years at the current rates to replenish the old Soviet Stocks. This is not by chance, the US knew and kept the stalemate to make sure this happened.

Again, irrelevant information no matter the sources. It is unlikely that those crimes will be punished, simply because as of now it cannot be enforced.

On the contrary, Macron and France have built their weapons industry and capabilities pretty much independently of the US. France is the one NATO country that buys little from the US. Capturing a large part of the financial budget for EU's rearmament will be quite profitable for France.

France does not need to "switch" the economy, it will enhance their existing means - 90% indigeous from the tanks to the air-defence, carriers and both Mirages and Rafale.

And yes, thanks to Putin now Europe cares about providing security guarantess to Ukraine - which in essence are security guarantees for all Europe.

Sure, you can keep thinking that. But what interests me the most is if you think that at the beginning of this all if Ukraine knew that US will use Ukraine to intentionally keep this as a stalemate for their own benefit? How about EU? Or they were all just ignorant willing idiots? Surely if even you can see it, their ministries of foreign affairs must've known what US is up to, right

[paxmao]

^^ On the contrary, I have said over and over, the US has been playing Ruzzia, is still playing Ruzzia and will keep playing Ruzzia (and Europe). For starters, 75% of the tanks, APVs and many other armoured vehicles carefully stored during the Soviet times and later have been destroyed along with quite a bit of other equipment. If anything happens with China, these will not be at the back in a decade or more.

Your cherry picking does not impress anyone here. The NYT says that, others say this...

Now, "the real world" may actually show how Europe may take the chance offered by Trump. Macron is a pedantic snob, but he is not stupid and is calling for Europe to use their funds to buy and create a European native full set of military capabilities. France is starting to see itself as a future leader of Europe, Poland has asked to hold US nukes and that has been rejected... 3,2,1 until Poland decides to get Nukes (congratulations Putin).

What ever the NYT publishes changes nothing of these.

And how many APVs, tanks, artillery, air defense, shells etc etc etc... did the west loose that it had before this at their disposal or had an option to procure? And how many drones, drone operators, new warfare technologies, experienced battle hardened military, and military industrial complex did Russian gained instead of those soviet tanks?

Oh you don't like the source? How about Ukrainska Pravda for you EU confirms US withdrawal from group investigating Russia's war crimes in Ukraine I would love to see at least one source that says that US is not leaving International Center for the Prosecution of the Crime of Aggression against Ukraine. I'll wait...

So Macron will destroy France's quality of life, and switch France's industry from butter to guns and war footing (that will probably take decades to complete) because Macron really thinks that Russia is going to attack France? Or he really cares about expanding NATO into Ukraine without US so much? Even if he does try that, what will happen to the far right's Marine Le Pen's chances on the next elections?

Sorry, at this point i feel like i'm even destroying your dreams, that you're desperately trying to hang on to. I'll scale back on engaging your hypotheticals.

Not that many compared to the immense stocks of Bradleys and Abrams that the US holds in the deserst across the US. The GDP of the US and Europe allows for restoring stocks. Ruzzia has lost some equipment that can no longer be produced (the supply chains, components and know-how are no longer there) and it would take 10 to 20 years at the current rates to replenish the old Soviet Stocks. This is not by chance, the US knew and kept the stalemate to make sure this happened.

Again, irrelevant information no matter the sources. It is unlikely that those crimes will be punished, simply because as of now it cannot be enforced.

On the contrary, Macron and France have built their weapons industry and capabilities pretty much independently of the US. France is the one NATO country that buys little from the US. Capturing a large part of the financial budget for EU's rearmament will be quite profitable for France.

France does not need to "switch" the economy, it will enhance their existing means - 90% indigeous from the tanks to the air-defence, carriers and both Mirages and Rafale.

And yes, thanks to Putin now Europe cares about providing security guarantess to Ukraine - which in essence are security guarantees for all Europe.

Sure, you can keep thinking that. But what interests me the most is if you think that at the beginning of this all if Ukraine knew that US will use Ukraine to intentionally keep this as a stalemate for their own benefit? How about EU? Or they were all just ignorant willing idiots? Surely if even you can see it, their ministries of foreign affairs must've known what US is up to, right

The problem is that Europe has accepted that the US will do whatever they want as long as they cover Europe with the nuclear deterrent and hold bases in Germany, Greece, Italy.... as someone said, the best way to defend Europe is "to have a US soldier there, preferably dead". In the end, if you need an ally, seems like usually the US is the less bad choice.

But it is actually good that the Trump-Putin tandem have woken up the EU to this. It is good that at least two European countries have some nuclear deterrence (Poland I am guessing may get it), that NATO is not completely gone and that as of now, billions are being approved to create a sufficient self-defence. It will take a few years, but it will be there.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62z6gljv2yo

Germany votes for historic boost to defence spending

[DaRude]

^^ On the contrary, I have said over and over, the US has been playing Ruzzia, is still playing Ruzzia and will keep playing Ruzzia (and Europe). For starters, 75% of the tanks, APVs and many other armoured vehicles carefully stored during the Soviet times and later have been destroyed along with quite a bit of other equipment. If anything happens with China, these will not be at the back in a decade or more.

Your cherry picking does not impress anyone here. The NYT says that, others say this...

Now, "the real world" may actually show how Europe may take the chance offered by Trump. Macron is a pedantic snob, but he is not stupid and is calling for Europe to use their funds to buy and create a European native full set of military capabilities. France is starting to see itself as a future leader of Europe, Poland has asked to hold US nukes and that has been rejected... 3,2,1 until Poland decides to get Nukes (congratulations Putin).

What ever the NYT publishes changes nothing of these.

And how many APVs, tanks, artillery, air defense, shells etc etc etc... did the west loose that it had before this at their disposal or had an option to procure? And how many drones, drone operators, new warfare technologies, experienced battle hardened military, and military industrial complex did Russian gained instead of those soviet tanks?

Oh you don't like the source? How about Ukrainska Pravda for you EU confirms US withdrawal from group investigating Russia's war crimes in Ukraine I would love to see at least one source that says that US is not leaving International Center for the Prosecution of the Crime of Aggression against Ukraine. I'll wait...

So Macron will destroy France's quality of life, and switch France's industry from butter to guns and war footing (that will probably take decades to complete) because Macron really thinks that Russia is going to attack France? Or he really cares about expanding NATO into Ukraine without US so much? Even if he does try that, what will happen to the far right's Marine Le Pen's chances on the next elections?

Sorry, at this point i feel like i'm even destroying your dreams, that you're desperately trying to hang on to. I'll scale back on engaging your hypotheticals.

Not that many compared to the immense stocks of Bradleys and Abrams that the US holds in the deserst across the US. The GDP of the US and Europe allows for restoring stocks. Ruzzia has lost some equipment that can no longer be produced (the supply chains, components and know-how are no longer there) and it would take 10 to 20 years at the current rates to replenish the old Soviet Stocks. This is not by chance, the US knew and kept the stalemate to make sure this happened.

Again, irrelevant information no matter the sources. It is unlikely that those crimes will be punished, simply because as of now it cannot be enforced.

On the contrary, Macron and France have built their weapons industry and capabilities pretty much independently of the US. France is the one NATO country that buys little from the US. Capturing a large part of the financial budget for EU's rearmament will be quite profitable for France.

France does not need to "switch" the economy, it will enhance their existing means - 90% indigeous from the tanks to the air-defence, carriers and both Mirages and Rafale.

And yes, thanks to Putin now Europe cares about providing security guarantess to Ukraine - which in essence are security guarantees for all Europe.

Sure, you can keep thinking that. But what interests me the most is if you think that at the beginning of this all if Ukraine knew that US will use Ukraine to intentionally keep this as a stalemate for their own benefit? How about EU? Or they were all just ignorant willing idiots? Surely if even you can see it, their ministries of foreign affairs must've known what US is up to, right

The problem is that Europe has accepted that the US will do whatever they want as long as they cover Europe with the nuclear deterrent and hold bases in Germany, Greece, Italy.... as someone said, the best way to defend Europe is "to have a US soldier there, preferably dead". In the end, if you need an ally, seems like usually the US is the less bad choice.

But it is actually good that the Trump-Putin tandem have woken up the EU to this. It is good that at least two European countries have some nuclear deterrence (Poland I am guessing may get it), that NATO is not completely gone and that as of now, billions are being approved to create a sufficient self-defence. It will take a few years, but it will be there.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62z6gljv2yo

Germany votes for historic boost to defence spending

Shocking who could've possibly predicted that there's a downside to outsourcing your military and agreeing to become a vassal. What's next, you gonna tell me that there are downsides to giving up rights to minerals on your land too? /s

Your obvious refusal to even comment on whether Ukrainian government knew the part that they were to play in this all along, or they were just used as incompetent idiots, is quiet telling in itself.