Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[BADecker]

The warhead is 1000 tons.

1000 tons?   Really? Maybe 1000 kilograms?

Of course, maybe Russian missiles and drones already took out the Ukrainian production plants.

Of course, if it was Zelensky talking about this, could be a little too much white powder.


Come On Man! It Seemed Like Peace Was So Close, But Now “War Fever” Has Returned With A Vengeance


https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/383371-2025-08-22-come-on-man-it-seemed-like-peace-was-so-close.htm
I have to admit that I am feeling pretty frustrated today.  Last week, there was so much optimism that we could finally see peace, but now "war fever" has returned with a vengeance.  The situation in the Middle East threatens to spiral out of control, there is a very real possibility that the U.S. military could soon be conducting operations in Mexico and Venezuela, and it appears that our last chance for peace with Russia could be going up in smoke.  I was writing about a coming war with Russia many years before it became fashionable, and I continue to warn in the strongest terms possible about what will happen if we do not reverse course.  But of course world leaders do not listen to people like us, and they continue to make decisions that could drag us into the unthinkable.

Last night, the Russians absolutely pummeled Ukraine with drone and missile strikes.  One of the targets that was hit was an American-owned manufacturing facility…

In its overnight attacks, Russia launched a total of 574 strike drones and 40 missiles on Ukraine, President Volodymyr Zelensky said Thursday, hitting as far west as the city of Lviv.

Missiles also struck an American-owned manufacturing company, Flex Ltd., in the western region of Zakarpattia, in an attack that injured at least 19 people, Ukrainian officials said. Flex is a American-Singaporean company that provides electronics manufacturing services and is headquartered in Austin, Texas.

"Overnight, Russian missiles attacked one of the largest American investments in Ukraine – Flex – an active member of the American Chamber of Commerce," said Andy Hunder, president of the American Chamber of Commerce in Ukraine. "Russia continues to destroy and humiliate US businesses in Ukraine, targeting companies that invest and trade on the US stock markets."

I am very displeased that the Russians chose to target a U.S.-owned business, because they should have known that this would really upset the Trump administration.

Whoever authorized this attack is not thinking rationally, because it threatens to further derail the peace process.

Of course the Ukrainians are going to try to squeeze as much out of this incident as they possibly can…

"It was an ordinary civilian enterprise, an American investment," Zelensky wrote. "They produced such familiar household items as coffee machines. And this is also a target for the Russians. Very telling."
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[montaga]

The warhead is 1000 tons.

1000 tons?   Really? Maybe 1000 kilograms?

Yes my bad  1150 kg https://youtu.be/Sp2B-dvDCy8

[WillyAp]

I am very displeased that the Russians chose to target a U.S.-owned business, because they should have known that this would really upset the Trump administration.

How come? Doesn't that fit in the narrative of the peaceful Russian Armee?
There are war mongers on both sides. 

[BADecker]

I am very displeased that the Russians chose to target a U.S.-owned business, because they should have known that this would really upset the Trump administration.

How come? Doesn't that fit in the narrative of the peaceful Russian Armee?
There are war mongers on both sides. 

Exactly!

Either they did it by accident, or they were simply doing self-defense because anti-Russian machinery was being made there, or anti-Russian activity promotions were being done there.

Self-protection isn't warmongering.

[Miramax12]

I am very displeased that the Russians chose to target a U.S.-owned business, because they should have known that this would really upset the Trump administration.

How come? Doesn't that fit in the narrative of the peaceful Russian Armee?
There are war mongers on both sides. 

Exactly!

Either they did it by accident, or they were simply doing self-defense because anti-Russian machinery was being made there, or anti-Russian activity promotions were being done there.

Self-protection isn't warmongering.

Yeah, it’s definitely a bold move on their part. Targeting a U.S owned business seems like it’s guaranteed to escalate tensions, especially knowing how sensitive the administration is about these things. It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out politically.

[BADecker]

I am very displeased that the Russians chose to target a U.S.-owned business, because they should have known that this would really upset the Trump administration.

How come? Doesn't that fit in the narrative of the peaceful Russian Armee?
There are war mongers on both sides. 

Exactly!

Either they did it by accident, or they were simply doing self-defense because anti-Russian machinery was being made there, or anti-Russian activity promotions were being done there.

Self-protection isn't warmongering.

Yeah, it’s definitely a bold move on their part. Targeting a U.S owned business seems like it’s guaranteed to escalate tensions, especially knowing how sensitive the administration is about these things. It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out politically.

Why is it a bad move? Russia has more nukes. The US isn't going to retaliate. Monsanto and two more companies own about 60% of Ukraine farmland. Russia is tilling the land for them so that they can plant... if they don't chicken out.

China and Russia have military agreements. Is the US going to challenge these agreements by attacking Russia?

North Korea and Russia have military agreements. Is the US going to challenger these agreements?

If companies of the US have agreements with Ukraine, they should cut their losses and move elsewhere while they have time.

Russia's personal desire for Ukraine is that it remain a no-man's land... that the West stay out. Russia's personal desire for Zelensky is that he simply quit while he is still alive. He could move to his villa in Switzerland and live to an old age. If he doesn't, he will be executed by Russia, or Western Europe for failing them.

[paxmao]

The warhead is 1000 tons.

One ton, thanks for the correction. Obviously it does not carry a 1kT warhead.

But since we are talking about it...it is conventional for now, who knows, it could potentially carry a 1 ton nuke in the future, all you need is a small nuke.

It does put in range and within payload capacity most of the Ruzzian military industry, including all planes (save Sukhoi). In those terms, bigger, much much cheaper and with longer range than an US Tomahawk.

Please observe that this is ground launched pretty much from the back or a truck, so no plane required like the Stormshadows.

While you reflect on this, have a look at the Ust-Luga GLP exporting terminal in flames. This is near St Petersbourgh and yes, it is expensive, critical and very difficult to repair. I am sure there will be more tomorrow. Some sources are speaking of noticeable petrol shortages in Ruzzia and some export restrictions. Expect more now that Trump "is not happy with Putin".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZGNydUeZQU

BTW get also familiar with another name RAKETEN. More to come, in 400 kg packages.

[montaga]

Russian Central Bank in crisis, ATM only open at certain times, money transfer restrictions
State TV hacked
Fuel crises some refineries already burning for days 17%  of production kaboomed
Russia falling apart from within, Deathonomics,. plus

Some villages retaken by Ukraine
Production of Flamingo cruise missile increase, Neptune missile (1k range) ready for mass production
What collapses first Ukraine defence or Russian economy

[paxmao]

Russian Central Bank in crisis, ATM only open at certain times, money transfer restrictions
State TV hacked
Fuel crises some refineries already burning for days 17%  of production kaboomed
Russia falling apart from within, Deathonomics,. plus

Some villages retaken by Ukraine
Production of Flamingo cruise missile increase, Neptune missile (1k range) ready for mass production
What collapses first Ukraine defence or Russian economy

Whoever counts on Ukraine defence "collapsing" is high on hopium.

Ruzzia's economy is in bad shape, it may however take a year to get it to the point in which the Kremlin considers that sufficient to stop. Unless... unless the cost is so high and the avance so slow that it simly does not make sense.

Alternatively, there is always a chance of Putin retiring for "health reasons" related to a shot in the head by his own people for example.

[BADecker]

Russian Central Bank in crisis, ATM only open at certain times, money transfer restrictions
State TV hacked
Fuel crises some refineries already burning for days 17%  of production kaboomed
Russia falling apart from within, Deathonomics,. plus

Some villages retaken by Ukraine
Production of Flamingo cruise missile increase, Neptune missile (1k range) ready for mass production
What collapses first Ukraine defence or Russian economy

Whoever counts on Ukraine defence "collapsing" is high on hopium.

Ruzzia's economy is in bad shape, it may however take a year to get it to the point in which the Kremlin considers that sufficient to stop. Unless... unless the cost is so high and the avance so slow that it simly does not make sense.

Alternatively, there is always a chance of Putin retiring for "health reasons" related to a shot in the head by his own people for example.

Yep. Russia is being pushed to the point where they will have to start using Oreshnik soon. And they are just about ready, since mass manufacturing of Oreshnik has already started.

And the Burevestnik nuclear engine equipped cruise missile is just about ready to go into mass production... can stay in the air for many days without refueling; can fly at 300 feet or less; low altitude makes it virtually untrackable.

With a military ally like China, if the war has to really start with NATO and Europe, Europe is finished. Moscow considers that WW3 has already literally started. When Russia moves, nothing will stop her except wholesale destruction of the West.

[paxmao]

Russian Central Bank in crisis, ATM only open at certain times, money transfer restrictions
State TV hacked
Fuel crises some refineries already burning for days 17%  of production kaboomed
Russia falling apart from within, Deathonomics,. plus

Some villages retaken by Ukraine
Production of Flamingo cruise missile increase, Neptune missile (1k range) ready for mass production
What collapses first Ukraine defence or Russian economy

Whoever counts on Ukraine defence "collapsing" is high on hopium.

Ruzzia's economy is in bad shape, it may however take a year to get it to the point in which the Kremlin considers that sufficient to stop. Unless... unless the cost is so high and the avance so slow that it simly does not make sense.

Alternatively, there is always a chance of Putin retiring for "health reasons" related to a shot in the head by his own people for example.

Yep. Russia is being pushed to the point where they will have to start using Oreshnik soon. And they are just about ready, since mass manufacturing of Oreshnik has already started.

And the Burevestnik nuclear engine equipped cruise missile is just about ready to go into mass production... can stay in the air for many days without refueling; can fly at 300 feet or less; low altitude makes it virtually untrackable.

With a military ally like China, if the war has to really start with NATO and Europe, Europe is finished. Moscow considers that WW3 has already literally started. When Russia moves, nothing will stop her except wholesale destruction of the West.

Again your obsession with the Oreshnik. Again, this is an ICBM that cannot carry conventional load, it costs 18 million a pop and is technology from the 60´s and offeres ZERO effectivity in a conventional war.

If Ruzzia thought it would be convenient to use, it would have already been used.

[BADecker]

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Yep. Russia is being pushed to the point where they will have to start using Oreshnik soon. And they are just about ready, since mass manufacturing of Oreshnik has already started.

And the Burevestnik nuclear engine equipped cruise missile is just about ready to go into mass production... can stay in the air for many days without refueling; can fly at 300 feet or less; low altitude makes it virtually untrackable.

With a military ally like China, if the war has to really start with NATO and Europe, Europe is finished. Moscow considers that WW3 has already literally started. When Russia moves, nothing will stop her except wholesale destruction of the West.

Again your obsession with the Oreshnik. Again, this is an ICBM that cannot carry conventional load, it costs 18 million a pop and is technology from the 60´s and offeres ZERO effectivity in a conventional war.

If Ruzzia thought it would be convenient to use, it would have already been used.

Look at car engines. They use the Otto Cycle, developed by Nikolaus Otto in 1876. We still use it today because it works, even though we have made some modifications. And it's a lot older than a 1960's ICBM. Those ICBM's work.

[montaga]

Russias problem ist, that it is to big and the air defences are concentrated to defend Tzar Putens bunker.
Putin discovering that Russia is also to big to defend, not only to attack.
Now the Ryazan-Moscow oil pipeline is burning a major line to Moscow, winter coming
Kuibyshev oil refinery in Samara on fire
3 radars descroyed, a fuel train stop in its tracks
Russia buying emergency oil from Belarus
Belgium sending 30 F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine,
Orban up in arms his cheap energy source may run dry
Trump blaming Zelenskyi for starting the war, interresting Trump calls it a war not a "special military operation"

At the end of the day what makes the difference is the people.
Ordenary Ukrains building and develop drohnes, Russians could not care less or not even allowed to do so.

[paxmao]

Depleting the refining capacity of Ruzzia, one (big) step at the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGtcZM339uE

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Yep. Russia is being pushed to the point where they will have to start using Oreshnik soon. And they are just about ready, since mass manufacturing of Oreshnik has already started.

And the Burevestnik nuclear engine equipped cruise missile is just about ready to go into mass production... can stay in the air for many days without refueling; can fly at 300 feet or less; low altitude makes it virtually untrackable.

With a military ally like China, if the war has to really start with NATO and Europe, Europe is finished. Moscow considers that WW3 has already literally started. When Russia moves, nothing will stop her except wholesale destruction of the West.

Again your obsession with the Oreshnik. Again, this is an ICBM that cannot carry conventional load, it costs 18 million a pop and is technology from the 60´s and offeres ZERO effectivity in a conventional war.

If Ruzzia thought it would be convenient to use, it would have already been used.

Look at car engines. They use the Otto Cycle, developed by Nikolaus Otto in 1876. We still use it today because it works, even though we have made some modifications. And it's a lot older than a 1960's ICBM. Those ICBM's work.

Again, they do work for their intended purpose: carry a few MIRVS with either decoys or nukes. They do not carry conventional warheads and their accuracy is 500 meters radius - which is useless for conventional war.

So either Ruzzia goes nuclear - which would be an escalation that would not be in their benefit, or they do another fireworks show at 18 million cost.

All this BA is part of the Ruzzian, US, China and Ukranian calculations since the start of the war. Nothing that was not known since forever - I mean, to most people not to you probably.

[BADecker]

Depleting the refining capacity of Ruzzia, one (big) step at the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGtcZM339uE

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Yep. Russia is being pushed to the point where they will have to start using Oreshnik soon. And they are just about ready, since mass manufacturing of Oreshnik has already started.

And the Burevestnik nuclear engine equipped cruise missile is just about ready to go into mass production... can stay in the air for many days without refueling; can fly at 300 feet or less; low altitude makes it virtually untrackable.

With a military ally like China, if the war has to really start with NATO and Europe, Europe is finished. Moscow considers that WW3 has already literally started. When Russia moves, nothing will stop her except wholesale destruction of the West.

Again your obsession with the Oreshnik. Again, this is an ICBM that cannot carry conventional load, it costs 18 million a pop and is technology from the 60´s and offeres ZERO effectivity in a conventional war.

If Ruzzia thought it would be convenient to use, it would have already been used.

Look at car engines. They use the Otto Cycle, developed by Nikolaus Otto in 1876. We still use it today because it works, even though we have made some modifications. And it's a lot older than a 1960's ICBM. Those ICBM's work.

Again, they do work for their intended purpose: carry a few MIRVS with either decoys or nukes. They do not carry conventional warheads and their accuracy is 500 meters radius - which is useless for conventional war.

What does that even mean? Even if it were true-ish, what in the world is conventional war? War is war, and it includes whatever the warring parties deem necessary for a favorable outcome.

Since Russia has the ability to engineer and build Oreshnik, they believe that such is a reasonable activity, or they wouldn't do it. If they couldn't think, they wouldn't be able to develop things like this in the first place.

So either Ruzzia goes nuclear - which would be an escalation that would not be in their benefit, or they do another fireworks show at 18 million cost.

Okay. Let's say for a moment that the rest of the world gets together and goes against Russia. Losing the war would not be in Russia's benefit, so expect nukes, in this scenario.

Mass manufacturing Oreshnik is not for show. Just because we haven't been told all their plans, doesn't mean that they don't have reasonable plans. You can tell that their plans are reasonable for their purposes, simply by looking at their military on the ground in Ukraine... faster and faster taking over Ukraine, without Ukraine and the West being able to stop them.

All this BA is part of the Ruzzian, US, China and Ukranian calculations since the start of the war. Nothing that was not known since forever - I mean, to most people not to you probably.

Well, you could be right in some ways in the final outcome. And, sure, Russia is being hurt some. But when you consider the damage that Ukraine and Russia are doing to Ukraine, Russia's wounds are almost like nothing.

For example, it's becoming almost common knowledge that Ukraine troop deaths are like a million and a half, while Russian troop deaths are like 15% of that.

Tomorrow is tomorrow. We don't know the future. Perhaps the West will introduce something new and powerful tomorrow. But for today, Russia is gradually wiping Ukraine out. Not because they want to, but because the West is pushing the Ukraine dictator to continue the war.

[WillyAp]

War is war, and it includes whatever the warring parties deem necessary for a favorable outcome.

There is cold war, hybrid wars, hot wars, conventional wars, regional wars, world wars and nuclear wars.
Apples and pears are bot fruits. Still they are different.

When a hybrid war is made to to costly a hot one is the consequence.

[BADecker]

War is war, and it includes whatever the warring parties deem necessary for a favorable outcome.

There is cold war, hybrid wars, hot wars, conventional wars, regional wars, world wars and nuclear wars.
Apples and pears are bot fruits. Still they are different.

When a hybrid war is made to to costly a hot one is the consequence.

And when you are peaceful, like Russia, a hot war might be necessary to stop a warmongering nation like Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFmsfrWJMsQ

[paxmao]

[...]

For example, it's becoming almost common knowledge that Ukraine troop deaths are like a million and a half, while Russian troop deaths are like 15% of that.

[...]

Provide proof of this.

Mass manufacturing Oreshnik [...]

Provide proof of this.

So either Ruzzia goes nuclear - which would be an escalation that would not be in their benefit, or they do another fireworks show at 18 million cost.

Okay. Let's say for a moment that the rest of the world gets together and goes against Russia. Losing the war would not be in Russia's benefit, so expect nukes, in this scenario.

Using nukes does not provide any advantage in any scenario. They are there as deterrent for anyone to use nukes. That is what you do not seem to be able to get your head around.

[WillyAp]

And when you are peaceful, like Russia, a hot war might be necessary to stop a warmongering nation like Ukraine.

Only in your thinking Russia is peacefully:

Hybrid warfare https://archive.today/fjycA
original https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/28/us/politics/russian-drones-weapons-routes.html

[BADecker]

And when you are peaceful, like Russia, a hot war might be necessary to stop a warmongering nation like Ukraine.

Only in your thinking Russia is peacefully:

Hybrid warfare https://archive.today/fjycA
original https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/28/us/politics/russian-drones-weapons-routes.html

Lol. Here, let me help you out. You might even enjoy it.

19 Forgotten British Spy Thrillers of the 1960s - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0rudsG38kE


Russia and Ukraine are nothing.


China Rejects Trump's Proposal For Nuclear Disarmament Talks With US, Russia


https://www.zerohedge.com/military/china-rejects-trumps-proposal-nuclear-disarmament-talks-us-russia
The Chinese regime rejected the proposal on Aug. 27, two days after Trump told reporters that Washington and Moscow were discussing ways to reduce the number of nuclear weapons and that he hoped Beijing would also take part.

Foreign ministry spokesman Guo Jiakun signaled at a press conference that China won't join the disarmament negotiations, adding that the primary responsibility lies with the United States.

Trump raised the subject earlier this week while fielding questions in the Oval Office alongside South Korean President Lee Jae Myung.

Trump said nuclear arms control had been discussed at his Aug. 15 summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Alaska, and that he wanted China brought into the process.

"One of the things we're trying to do with Russia and with China is denuclearization, and it's very important. ... Denuclearization is a very big game, but Russia is willing to do it, and I think China is going to be willing to do it too," he said.

"We cannot let nuclear weapons proliferate. We have to stop nuclear weapons."

The push for expanded talks comes as the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, better known as New START, is set to expire on Feb. 5, 2026. With the collapse of the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty in 2019, New START is the only remaining nuclear arms control agreement between Washington and Moscow.

The 10-year treaty, which began in 2011 and was extended by five years in 2021, limits each side to no more than 1,550 deployed nuclear warheads and 700 deployed intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), submarine-launched ballistic missiles, and strategic bombers. It also caps the total number of missile launchers and bombers at 800 and provides for extensive on-site inspections.

Negotiations for a successor treaty are expected to be difficult, as Russia has indicated it wants NATO's other nuclear-armed members, namely the United Kingdom and France, included in future talks.
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