Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[tvbcof]

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I guess Ukraine "winning" is the reason that in last few body exchanges, Russia on average gave 1000 dead Ukrainians and got 20 Russian soldiers back

Russia does not want the bodys back. Without body the families receive nothing, no body no pay.
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Lol!  Project much?  I never did hear what happened to those freezer trailers full of stiff Ukrainians that Zelensky wouldn't allow to cross the boarder.  I figured that he got a grant to at least let them cross to be dumped into pits in Ukraine because it was a bad look in the Western media space.

So your contention is that Zelensky says to Putin:  "I can see your point and the harm it could do to your image among the Russian population, so I'll just do you a solid and hold on to all the dead Russians."  Do I have that about right?

A much more credible argument is that the rumors which have been circulating since the start that Ukraine is deep in the human body parts trade is actually true and that they've been marketing any dead human tissue they can get (or create) and this accounts for the low Russian body count.

The most credible explanation to me is simply the way the war has progressed, due largely to Russian tactical strategy, ends up in far fewer dead Russians on enemy soil.  I also hold to my longstanding contention that the deSlavization of the former Ukraine has been a goal of the Zionazi side from way back when this conflict was in the planning stage.  The goal is to set the table for 'Big Israel' when the Ashkanazis are chased out of the Middle East and back to their origin point in the 'pale of settlement'.

[LTU_btc]

Dude, North Korean government send 12,000 troops to fight for Russia including around 500 officers and three generals. Also there are lot of Chinese mercenaries are fighting for Russia.

I wonder when you realize that there has been mercenaries from all over the world fighting for Ukraine already. That's the point of mercenaries, they travel across the world to fight, as that pays well. From Finland as well.

If Russia wouldn't want to escalate tensions in the world, they probably would not try to trigger all the Nato countries by invading Ukraine and constantly violating borders of other countries.

Russia is often telling that they're fighting alone against whole NATO, but actually, it's very far from true. If there would be invovlement of whole NATO, scenario of this war would be different.
While Russia is far from being alone. North Korea is only third part in this war that have sent their troops. And don't forget that Russia is using missiles and drones supplied from Iran and North Korea.
Mercenaries or volunteers is already different story. They come to this war from all corners of world, but none of them weren't sent by governments officially.

[DaRude]

The point is, when there are Polish troops being killed in Ukraine, you can't ask them if they were there on their own, or if they are are there under instructions from Poland. They don't answer when you ask them. They are dead. But if they were alive and you asked them, what would they say? And where would you get the info regarding what they said so that you could trust the truth?

The point is, Russia is easily strong enough right now, with Oreshnic, to wipe out Western Europe if that were her goal. And she could probably take out the US with her standard, ages-old ICBM's.

Russia wants to trade with the world... not destroy the world, and get herself destroyed at the same time.
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Dude, North Korean government send 12,000 troops to fight for Russia including around 500 officers and three generals. Also there are lot of Chinese mercenaries are fighting for Russia.

I wonder when you realize that there has been mercenaries from all over the world fighting for Ukraine already. That's the point of mercenaries, they travel across the world to fight, as that pays well. From Finland as well.

If Russia wouldn't want to escalate tensions in the world, they probably would not try to trigger all the Nato countries by invading Ukraine and constantly violating borders of other countries.

So a military block keeps expanding closer and closer to your borders


Back in 2008

Secretary of State Rice, Merkel's security adviser Heusgen and others stood at a bar table. Russia by itself is just one country, the American argued, according to participants, whereas Russia plus Ukraine and Belarus is an empire. She stressed that such an empire, once established, would once again seek to dominate Europe, and that the Kremlin would again pursue an aggressive foreign policy.

Then in 2013
US supports a coup of democratically elected government in Ukraine with the third highest US politician giving out cookies


And then there are sudden civil unrests in two main remaining countries still under Russia's sphere Belarus, and Kazakhstan.

Now, I can see how "If Russia wouldn't want to escalate tensions in the world, they probably would not try to trigger all the Nato countries by invading Ukraine" would be an easy selling point to the uneducated in the west, after all the masses wouldn't even think or cared to consider the other side, what would happen to Russia, the root cause of this all, or why Russia wouldn't even consider invading Ukraine in 2012 and what happened since then? The problem i have is with governments. Surely their think tanks, analysts running prediction models, their ministries of external affairs, their ambassadors, foreign relations... all knew exactly what they were doing and the red lines they were crossing, yet they still decided to go ahead and push Ukraine to suicide itself on a tiny chance that Russia would accept this and willingly quietly just wither away.

But my biggest questions are whether back then those in power in Ukraine were just blindly used as willing idiots, or they realized what they were bringing their people into and their roll in all of this


And after Trump said "In any event, I wish both Countries well. We will continue to supply weapons to NATO for NATO to do what they want with them. Good luck to all!" and Top EU diplomat warns Trump that Europe can’t shoulder Ukraine war burden alone...“He was the one who promised to stop the killing,” Kallas said. “So it can’t be on us.” what people are thinking still pushing Ukraine to continue to fight?

Dude, North Korean government send 12,000 troops to fight for Russia including around 500 officers and three generals. Also there are lot of Chinese mercenaries are fighting for Russia.

I wonder when you realize that there has been mercenaries from all over the world fighting for Ukraine already. That's the point of mercenaries, they travel across the world to fight, as that pays well. From Finland as well.

If Russia wouldn't want to escalate tensions in the world, they probably would not try to trigger all the Nato countries by invading Ukraine and constantly violating borders of other countries.

Russia is often telling that they're fighting alone against whole NATO, but actually, it's very far from true. If there would be invovlement of whole NATO, scenario of this war would be different.
While Russia is far from being alone. North Korea is only third part in this war that have sent their troops. And don't forget that Russia is using missiles and drones supplied from Iran and North Korea.
Mercenaries or volunteers is already different story. They come to this war from all corners of world, but none of them weren't sent by governments officially.

Ah yes mercenaries, great plausible deniability i believed peaked by US with Backwater in Afghanistan. But you're muddying up the water, the all important question is how many mercenaries are fighting for one side and how many for the other and from what countries?

[montaga]

Anybody here to help?
Putin needs advice urgendly, accept help from Nato country and save the Novorossiysk crew or screw the crew?
To me it sounds like a lot of bull.

[LTU_btc]

According to Keith Kellogg, Trump allowed Ukraine to hit deep into Russia. And also, USA is considering Ukraine's request to send Tomahawk missiles.
Meanwhile Russia is starting to feel fuel shortages. And it's not only in occupied Crimea, but also deeper in continental Russia.

[BADecker]

According to Keith Kellogg, Trump allowed Ukraine to hit deep into Russia. And also, USA is considering Ukraine's request to send Tomahawk missiles.
Meanwhile Russia is starting to feel fuel shortages. And it's not only in occupied Crimea, but also deeper in continental Russia.

But consider. The only ways the US can help Ukraine in the war are to:
1. Send armament and troops;
2. Send money;
3. Nukes.

The danger in pushing Russia too hard is the destruction of Western Europe... something Trump doesn't want to do because of morals, and the benefits the US gets from European trade.

The Ukraine war will long have been over with Russia as the winner, by the time Western Europe gets its act together on its own. Consider that even though the Russian expansion in Ukraine seems to be slow, it is happening. Ukrainian troops are essentially gone long ago. Western European troops being sent in, is one of the biggest reasons why Putin is attacking harder, now.

When Western troop usage in Ukraine, and drone attacks into Russia, become strong enough, Putin will take off the kid-gloves.

Ultimately the US would be the winner, but it will be the loser because of losses in winning, even though it wins more that Russia. But there is no reason to go there yet, because all of Europe will be lost by the time things get to that point (Russian nukes).

Essentially, Ukraine will fall to Russia, and Russia will get its Ukraine buffer zone against NATO. And all of this is without the BRICS nations having formally entered to help Russia... which nations are changing more and more, to be in favor of Russia because of the general thievery of the US banking system.

[montaga]

Some parts of Russia now do the best to help Ukraine, break free and dispose Putin
https://youtu.be/SqRi1edJ-AM

[WillyAp]

When Western troop usage in Ukraine, and drone attacks into Russia, become strong enough, Putin will take off the kid-gloves.

What makes you believe he is wearing kid gloves?
The people in Ukraine who fall victim beg to differ.

Russia innovated and changed their flight route in the flight, tricking the patriot defenses. 

https://united24media.com/latest-news/russias-new-iskander-missiles-can-outsmart-patriot-defenses-us-intel-warns-10783

[BADecker]

When Western troop usage in Ukraine, and drone attacks into Russia, become strong enough, Putin will take off the kid-gloves.

What makes you believe he is wearing kid gloves?
The people in Ukraine who fall victim beg to differ.

Russia innovated and changed their flight route in the flight, tricking the patriot defenses. 

https://united24media.com/latest-news/russias-new-iskander-missiles-can-outsmart-patriot-defenses-us-intel-warns-10783

Kid gloves? >>> Not using nukes.

Everybody has forgotten what Nukes can do. If Putin used nukes, there wouldn't be any Ukrainians to do any begging.

Putin is working as hard as he can to develop methods to increase Russian abilities without using nukes... more powerful and capable missiles, for example. After all, he doesn't want any nuclear fallout blowing into Russia.

[WillyAp]

Kid gloves? >>> Not using nukes.
Everybody has forgotten what Nukes can do. If Putin used nukes, there wouldn't be any Ukrainians to do any begging.

There would be hardly any Russian left to enjoy their victory,
Ukraine gave up Russian Nukes on their territory. 

[Oluwa-btc]

Putin is working as hard as he can to develop methods to increase Russian abilities without using nukes... more powerful and capable missiles, for example. After all, he doesn't want any nuclear fallout blowing into Russia.

No! He's working hard to make sure the war between themselves comes to an end quick. The two things that will happen from this war would be Russia achieving their aim, retrieving these lands which belongs to them ( formerly Russian lands ) either by military drills or massive surrender. Only dump politicians like these European leaders would want to see their nation burn down because they're obsessed with Russia. Putin has no such plans for nukes!!!

[BADecker]

Putin is working as hard as he can to develop methods to increase Russian abilities without using nukes... more powerful and capable missiles, for example. After all, he doesn't want any nuclear fallout blowing into Russia.

No! He's working hard to make sure the war between themselves comes to an end quick. The two things that will happen from this war would be Russia achieving their aim, retrieving these lands which belongs to them ( formerly Russian lands ) either by military drills or massive surrender. Only dump politicians like these European leaders would want to see their nation burn down because they're obsessed with Russia. Putin has no such plans for nukes!!!

Actually, it's Russia saving USSR lands from both, USSR-style dictatorship, and from Western conquest. The way they are doing it protects both, the conquest of Russia, and the liberation of people who are being conquered by the West.

The whole West, including the US, have been conquered by the banking system. How have they been conquered? The banking system shrewd people have offered the world apparent greatness through make-believe freedom. Then, the banking system maintains it's control over the people who succumb to their control by believing that they are being given freedom.

Russia doesn't care what other people do. Just leave Russia and the people who ask for Russia alone.

The people of Eastern Ukraine asked for Russian protection from the West's advancement through Ukraine. Ukraine responded to this by attacking Eastern Ukrainian people, many of whom were Russian people. Russia simply responded by attempting to rescue her own. The West turned it into a war against Ukraine.

The West doesn't care about the people of Ukraine. If Ukrainian people don't accept Zelensky, they will be executed through Z. If they accept him, they will be destroyed through the war.

The West has been trying to expand into Russia since before the Bolshevik Revolution - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web. If Stalin had not been so paranoid, he really could have made the USSR strong.

Putin is making Russia strong by maintaining freedom to all who want it. Ukrainian people don't want the war. But Zelensky, whether he believes what he says or not - remember that he was a comedian actor in the most despicable ways (you can't trust a professional actor that he is telling the truth) - isn't stopping the war. He is killing his own people off and replacing them with NATO troops.

What Ukrainian city is Russia making great again? Mariupol. It was always Russian at heart. Russia is simply restoring it. Putin has seen through Western banking lies. You can understand it in his formation of BRICS... with other countries that understand.

[paxmao]

Putin is working as hard as he can to develop methods to increase Russian abilities without using nukes... more powerful and capable missiles, for example. After all, he doesn't want any nuclear fallout blowing into Russia.

No! He's working hard to make sure the war between themselves comes to an end quick. The two things that will happen from this war would be Russia achieving their aim, retrieving these lands which belongs to them ( formerly Russian lands ) either by military drills or massive surrender. Only dump politicians like these European leaders would want to see their nation burn down because they're obsessed with Russia. Putin has no such plans for nukes!!!

Actually, it's Russia saving USSR lands from both, USSR-style dictatorship, and from Western conquest. The way they are doing it protects both, the conquest of Russia, and the liberation of people who are being conquered by the West.

The whole West, including the US, have been conquered by the banking system. How have they been conquered? The banking system shrewd people have offered the world apparent greatness through make-believe freedom. Then, the banking system maintains it's control over the people who succumb to their control by believing that they are being given freedom.
Russia doesn't care what other people do. Just leave Russia and the people who ask for Russia alone.

That is false. Russia has waged wars all around.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia

Chechenia
Georgia
Burkina-Fasso
Syria

... and many others. Ruzzia tries to expand at any opportunity. Or, like in Ukraine, despite not being any opportunity.

The West has been trying to expand into Russia since before the Bolshevik Revolution - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web. If Stalin had not been so paranoid, he really could have made the USSR strong.

The "West" (Is Australia "the west") has not expanded, the previous Soviet satellites have fled as fast as they possibly could to escape further Ruzzia domination. Joining NATO is not forced.

You can see the last two cases: Finland and Sweden. They had a policy of neutrality, but if Ruzzia can attack Ukraine, they felt the danger and became NATO. This is what has been happening all along.

Putin is making Russia strong by maintaining freedom to all who want it.

That is not true. Ruzzian does not have an oposition party, nor free press. People have been arrested in the Red Square for simply holding a white piece of paper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbzV1it1YPY

 Ukrainian people don't want the war. But Zelensky, whether he believes what he says or not - remember that he was a comedian actor in the most despicable ways (you can't trust a professional actor that he is telling the truth) - isn't stopping the war. He is killing his own people off and replacing them with NATO troops.

What Ukrainian city is Russia making great again? Mariupol. It was always Russian at heart. Russia is simply restoring it. Putin has seen through Western banking lies. You can understand it in his formation of BRICS... with other countries that understand.

Nobody other than Putin want war.

BRICS means China, the rest are irrelevant.

[DaRude]

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That is false. Russia has waged wars all around.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia

Chechenia
Georgia
Burkina-Fasso
Syria

... and many others. Ruzzia tries to expand at any opportunity. Or, like in Ukraine, despite not being any opportunity.

The West has been trying to expand into Russia since before the Bolshevik Revolution - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web. If Stalin had not been so paranoid, he really could have made the USSR strong.

The "West" (Is Australia "the west") has not expanded, the previous Soviet satellites have fled as fast as they possibly could to escape further Ruzzia domination. Joining NATO is not forced.

You can see the last two cases: Finland and Sweden. They had a policy of neutrality, but if Ruzzia can attack Ukraine, they felt the danger and became NATO. This is what has been happening all along.

Putin is making Russia strong by maintaining freedom to all who want it.

That is not true. Ruzzian does not have an oposition party, nor free press. People have been arrested in the Red Square for simply holding a white piece of paper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbzV1it1YPY

 Ukrainian people don't want the war. But Zelensky, whether he believes what he says or not - remember that he was a comedian actor in the most despicable ways (you can't trust a professional actor that he is telling the truth) - isn't stopping the war. He is killing his own people off and replacing them with NATO troops.

What Ukrainian city is Russia making great again? Mariupol. It was always Russian at heart. Russia is simply restoring it. Putin has seen through Western banking lies. You can understand it in his formation of BRICS... with other countries that understand.

Nobody other than Putin want war.

BRICS means China, the rest are irrelevant.

What is the status quo for majority of those regions? That should easily answer whether Russia is expanding or protecting what's left. And how does it compare to say US's wars?

Haha I love this narrative. Russia tries to expand at any opportunity   yet its only getting smaller and Nuland cookies magically show up at it's last pillars of its spheres of influence.

NATO not trying to expand, yet it constantly does. It's all just a coincidence and don't think about it or soft power, right?

India is irrelevant?

[montaga]

80% of Georgians including the President prodesting Putins crony billionare govenment for a year now.
https://youtu.be/_f9Lv_8ew6A

Also the protests in Altai Republic republic growing, they want to break free.
Kazakhstan wants a divorce from Russia and install a trade border

[BADecker]

80% of Georgians including the President prodesting Putins crony billionare govenment for a year now.
https://youtu.be/_f9Lv_8ew6A

Also the protests in Altai Republic republic growing, they want to break free.
Kazakhstan wants a divorce from Russia and install a trade border

https://i.ibb.co/KjfZ4hhL/Untitled.png

Your video is one-sided. It simply shows what happens all over the world. It's even the same in the US. If people want strength, they need to get a constitutional change that makes an election to be a contract with the winner of the election. If the winner doesn't fulfill the contract, execution.


However, in the case of Georgia, Russia is only protecting areas in which the people want to remain tied to Russia. This is in accord with the UN Charter that allows any group of people to break away from their government, and form a new government. Russia's influence over those areas in Georgia (like in Ukraine) is simply to protect the people in those areas who want to remain in 'alliance' with Russia, but at least free from Georgia.

The point is that (like Ukraine) the government of Georgia wants to 'keep' the lands of people who would rather form their own governments than remain in slavery under the government of Georgia. Russia is simply helping those areas in this effort, because the UN won't uphold their own Charter in this area.

The areas of Georgia where the people don't want Russia are being allowed by Russia to maintain the government that they want.

Of course, Russia may want to influence all of Georgia to be in favor of Russia. But that is the way it is in all areas of the world where people want to do it rather peacefully. And this does not include Russia, only. You can see it by the riots of the people all over Western Europe who want their governments to turn into something that the governments don't want to turn into.

Sooner or later those Western European people will turn to Russia for protection from their own governments, if Russia maintains freedom for groups of people to make their own governments rather than conquer them. Those people may want to form their own little countries that are not part of their present government (the UK, Germany, France, etc.). They just aren't to that point yet.

The UN is not upholding its charter, because at its core it is an arm of the Western banking system that is trying to conquer the world through trade control rather than by military force. But this trade control is corrupt; it is stealing from all of its people by dishonestly enriching itself at the expense of the people who use the Western banking system.

In the big picture, currently Russia is the one who is acting more honestly. But when the banking systems of the West fail, who knows what will happen? Russia just might become the force that tries to conquer as it did in the USSR. For the moment, Russia is more right because it is only defending people rather than trying to conquer them... even though it spreads its own form of propaganda.

[leo7787]

Honestly, both sides have blood on their hands at this point. The West keeps pushing the “freedom” narrative while pouring money and weapons into Ukraine, and Russia keeps calling it a rescue mission. But if you look closely, it’s all part of a bigger power game — the same banking and political interests pulling strings since the Cold War. Ordinary people in Ukraine are the ones paying the price while politicians argue about borders and “spheres of influence.”

At the end of the day, no one really wins here — just different groups trying to reshape the map to their advantage.

[paxmao]

The point is, when there are Polish troops being killed in Ukraine, you can't ask them if they were there on their own, or if they are are there under instructions from Poland. They don't answer when you ask them. They are dead. But if they were alive and you asked them, what would they say? And where would you get the info regarding what they said so that you could trust the truth?

The point is, Russia is easily strong enough right now, with Oreshnic, to wipe out Western Europe if that were her goal. And she could probably take out the US with her standard, ages-old ICBM's.

Russia wants to trade with the world... not destroy the world, and get herself destroyed at the same time.
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Dude, North Korean government send 12,000 troops to fight for Russia including around 500 officers and three generals. Also there are lot of Chinese mercenaries are fighting for Russia.

I wonder when you realize that there has been mercenaries from all over the world fighting for Ukraine already. That's the point of mercenaries, they travel across the world to fight, as that pays well. From Finland as well.

If Russia wouldn't want to escalate tensions in the world, they probably would not try to trigger all the Nato countries by invading Ukraine and constantly violating borders of other countries.

So a military block keeps expanding closer and closer to your borders


Back in 2008

Secretary of State Rice, Merkel's security adviser Heusgen and others stood at a bar table. Russia by itself is just one country, the American argued, according to participants, whereas Russia plus Ukraine and Belarus is an empire. She stressed that such an empire, once established, would once again seek to dominate Europe, and that the Kremlin would again pursue an aggressive foreign policy.

Then in 2013
US supports a coup of democratically elected government in Ukraine with the third highest US politician giving out cookies


And then there are sudden civil unrests in two main remaining countries still under Russia's sphere Belarus, and Kazakhstan.

Now, I can see how "If Russia wouldn't want to escalate tensions in the world, they probably would not try to trigger all the Nato countries by invading Ukraine" would be an easy selling point to the uneducated in the west, after all the masses wouldn't even think or cared to consider the other side, what would happen to Russia, the root cause of this all, or why Russia wouldn't even consider invading Ukraine in 2012 and what happened since then? The problem i have is with governments. Surely their think tanks, analysts running prediction models, their ministries of external affairs, their ambassadors, foreign relations... all knew exactly what they were doing and the red lines they were crossing, yet they still decided to go ahead and push Ukraine to suicide itself on a tiny chance that Russia would accept this and willingly quietly just wither away.

But my biggest questions are whether back then those in power in Ukraine were just blindly used as willing idiots, or they realized what they were bringing their people into and their roll in all of this


And after Trump said "In any event, I wish both Countries well. We will continue to supply weapons to NATO for NATO to do what they want with them. Good luck to all!" and Top EU diplomat warns Trump that Europe can’t shoulder Ukraine war burden alone...“He was the one who promised to stop the killing,” Kallas said. “So it can’t be on us.” what people are thinking still pushing Ukraine to continue to fight?

Dude, North Korean government send 12,000 troops to fight for Russia including around 500 officers and three generals. Also there are lot of Chinese mercenaries are fighting for Russia.

I wonder when you realize that there has been mercenaries from all over the world fighting for Ukraine already. That's the point of mercenaries, they travel across the world to fight, as that pays well. From Finland as well.

If Russia wouldn't want to escalate tensions in the world, they probably would not try to trigger all the Nato countries by invading Ukraine and constantly violating borders of other countries.

Russia is often telling that they're fighting alone against whole NATO, but actually, it's very far from true. If there would be invovlement of whole NATO, scenario of this war would be different.
While Russia is far from being alone. North Korea is only third part in this war that have sent their troops. And don't forget that Russia is using missiles and drones supplied from Iran and North Korea.
Mercenaries or volunteers is already different story. They come to this war from all corners of world, but none of them weren't sent by governments officially.

Ah yes mercenaries, great plausible deniability i believed peaked by US with Backwater in Afghanistan. But you're muddying up the water, the all important question is how many mercenaries are fighting for one side and how many for the other and from what countries?

Same falacy, same ridiculous pictures:

NATO does not "expand". Countries are free to join or not join NATO. The only reason why those countries joined NATO is because they have been under Russia, they know how it was and they want to make sure it does not happen again.

Tell me when NATO - the alliance NATO, not members acting on their own - have ever forced any country into joining NATO or invaded a country so that it could become a NATO member? I certainly can tell you how many nationalities got invaded and assimilated "borg style" by Ruzzia for centuries.

Example: Findland and Sweden. They were non-aligned to the limit. Do you think they joined NATO because of "cookies" Then you are blind to the truth: No fuc*ing nation wants to be under Ruzzian domination. The only way to keep them in is either by subsidies or military force... or both.

Ruzzia sucks. Being Ruzzian sucks and what sucks to the limit is being non-Ruzzian but under Moscows domination. It is just a shitty life destiny of poverty, lack of opportunities, corruption, state violence, represion and sefdom. That is why countries join NATO.

Now, keep posting the same picture until you get banned for spam, it does not matter, most people understand that NATO is crap, but if the option is Moscow, the decission takes seconds.

None of this is funny, but this video is as close as "funny" as it gets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qgTUTgAcL0

[BADecker]

Russia bombs and missiles and 'drones' cities all over Ukraine.

The people of those cities sort of deserve it. Why? They are agreeing with Zelensky to continue the war, if not formally by verbally shouting support, then just by being there and supporting him with their manufacturing of drones and missiles. So, they have made themselves enemies of Russia, even if it was incidental.

Now that the people of Ukraine are found to be at war with Russia, Russia's weakness has been found out. Sure, Russia bombs and drones and shoots missiles at all kinds of Ukrainian cities and installations. But you can see that Russia is weak. How can you see it? You can see it in the fire-fighting crews that fight the fires that Putin starts with his drones and bombs and missiles.

If Russia had any strength at all, they would bomb out the fire-fighters so that there wouldn't be any way to stop the fires. As it is, Ukraine is using what looks like very modern equipment to fight the fires.

Outside of nukes, Russia is not all that strong... or is this still only part of the warning that Putin is giving Ukraine?

[paxmao]

It seems that the US approved to send Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine. At least Trump said that "he wants to know what will they use them for". Could mean before or after.