Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[paxmao]

You insist on something you cannot possibly know, which proves you're full of shit.

I understand your feelings, everyone wants to think they are doing the right thing. It must be annoying to be in a situation of insight: "Hans, are we villains?" It's fun to watch this transformation:
- There are no Nazis in Ukraine
- Well, maybe there are some isolated cases
- There may be more of them than I thought, but they are doing the right thing and fighting evil invaders

--> you are here

- Fuck, this is a solid Nazi viper, but the Russians are even worse
- What kind of Minsk agreements, did the Russians really have a reason?
- I'm going to commit suicide from an overdose of lard.

Putin could not care less if there are Nazis or not. His aims are unrelated to any "crusade" of "holy war", they are only geopolitical and at this point, it is quite clear that he overestimated his army, underestimated Ukrainian's will to be free, got the EU response completely wrong and, at this point he just had to change fully the strategy and put it under the command of a general that successfully flattened Aleppo and called that a victory.

He is playing a desperate last card with the lives of the young Russian soldiers.

There is no possible "reason" for a war of aggression.

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Amazing how pro-nazi and pro-gay and God can be mixed in the same paragraph, you have outdone yourself.

Are you flattering me again or is this sarcasm? Just in case, thanks
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Are you trying to help the Ukrainian cause by making Putin's claims impossible to believe? Just in case, thanks.

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In urban battles there are always civilian casualties, unfortunately this is inevitable. Russian soldiers do their best to minimize them, even if it increases the risks for themselves. I'm talking about the fact that the Russians never deliberately kill civilians, realizing that in front of them is a man without a weapon. I am sorry if for some this statement seems far from reality, amazing news or some kind of revelation.
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I see, we are showing some advance here.
 From they never shoot,
 to they only shoot if it cannot be avoided.

<- You are here 

to they shoot only sometimes
oh crap... they could not care less if there are civilians.
But... how cant this be... a massive grave of 1000 right the day we leave a town

[Toughit]

You insist on something you cannot possibly know, which proves you're full of shit.

I understand your feelings, everyone wants to think they are doing the right thing. It must be annoying to be in a situation of insight: "Hans, are we villains?" It's fun to watch this transformation:
- There are no Nazis in Ukraine
- Well, maybe there are some isolated cases
- There may be more of them than I thought, but they are doing the right thing and fighting evil invaders

--> you are here

- Fuck, this is a solid Nazi viper, but the Russians are even worse
- What kind of Minsk agreements, did the Russians really have a reason?
- I'm going to commit suicide from an overdose of lard.

I read a couple of the articles posted above.

 It looks like the Ukraine people were liberated from Russia by 'Nazi's' way back when.  The Ukraine people seemed to have welcomed this liberation (how bad must the Russians have been to welcome the 'Nazi's'!!??)

From reading further, Nazi's seemed to be defined by Russia as anyone that hated Russian's.

So, based on that historical definition, All Ukrainians are now Nazi's (as I'm pretty sure they all hate Russians now). As well as all Americans, Polish, English, Mongols (eh, just guessing), Japanese (give them their island back), etc.  

That also makes the Chinese Nazi's because they secretly hate Russians too, they are just smiling at you as they slowly wind the rope tighter around the Russian neck.

We are a world of Nazi's on one side and Russians on the other.

So, its simple, it’s just that the Russian definition of a Nazi is someone that hates Russia.  Not the definition I grew up with.. but whatever works.

Did I read the articles right?

[suchmoon]

I have been observing a lot of different sources of information since the beginning of the operation, but I am only actively doing something about this here on this forum. There is loyal moderation here and there is no noticeable numerical superiority of supporters of one side or another - a very rare combination, possibly unique. It would be wiser for me to just remain silent, and at first I did so - but some kind of way out is needed with such a volume of incoming information. In a sense, this is stress management in a rapidly changing world.

You're trying too hard with these sob stories that no one asked for.

You know what they say about people who don't learn from history. You should probably read up on what a delusional Russian (well, technically Georgian) dictator did in 1936 when things didn't go his way.

[TwitchySeal]

Have you read the text of the Minsk agreements?

Have you read the text of the Budapest Agreements?

Russia strictly followed it

Uhh, the first, and really most important point was:

Respect Belarusian, Kazakh and Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.

Meanwhile, Putin has been running around trying to convince world leaders that Ukraine isn't really a country for years.

[LTU_btc]

An international investigation is already underway in Bucha, but everything is clear as day there. The national police entered the city and organized a purge of "collaborators", killing everyone who did not have a blue bandage on his arm, and especially those with a white one. Yes, even shooting a video about it, which they then tried in vain to remove from the network.

I like how you changed your position about Bucha. First you said that it was fake made by Ukraine when they carried out dead people to the streets to show it to foreign media. And now you're saying  that they made purge of collaborators.
If something goes against Russian narrative, just blame Ukrainians, even if all proofs  goes against you. About that video with shooting in Bucha, it's clearly visible that tanks have V letter used by Russian forces. Even Peskov was caught on interview. So, then he simply started to defend himself that it was fake.

[Tash]

Americans Are “In Charge” of the War Says French Journalist Who Returned From Ukraine
https://miamistandard.news/2022/04/12/americans-are-in-charge-of-the-war-says-french-journalist-who-returned-from-ukraine/

The Fall of Mariupol?
https://rumble.com/v10u6w9-the-fall-of-mariupol.html

[TwitchySeal]

An international investigation is already underway in Bucha, but everything is clear as day there. The national police entered the city and organized a purge of "collaborators", killing everyone who did not have a blue bandage on his arm, and especially those with a white one. Yes, even shooting a video about it, which they then tried in vain to remove from the network.

I like how you changed your position about Bucha. First you said that it was fake made by Ukraine when they carried out dead people to the streets to show it to foreign media. And now you're saying  that they made purge of collaborators.
If something goes against Russian narrative, just blame Ukrainians, even if all proofs  goes against you. About that video with shooting in Bucha, it's clearly visible that tanks have V letter used by Russian forces. Even Peskov was caught on interview. So, then he simply started to defend himself that it was fake.

He also said in the first week or so that Russia wasn't surrounding Kiev because they wanted to let civilians evacuate, and that all who didn't leave or lay down their weapons would be destroyed and only a fool would believe otherwise.

I think at this point it's fair to assume his arguments aren't being made in good faith.

[coolcoinz]

An international investigation is already underway in Bucha, but everything is clear as day there. The national police entered the city and organized a purge of "collaborators", killing everyone who did not have a blue bandage on his arm, and especially those with a white one. Yes, even shooting a video about it, which they then tried in vain to remove from the network.

I like how you changed your position about Bucha. First you said that it was fake made by Ukraine when they carried out dead people to the streets to show it to foreign media. And now you're saying  that they made purge of collaborators.
If something goes against Russian narrative, just blame Ukrainians, even if all proofs  goes against you. About that video with shooting in Bucha, it's clearly visible that tanks have V letter used by Russian forces. Even Peskov was caught on interview. So, then he simply started to defend himself that it was fake.

It's the same narrative they used in when the Katyn massacre came to light and then when they shot down the Malaysian passenger plane.

In Katyn:
It wasn't us it was the Germans!
Ok, fine it was us.

In Ukraine (Malaysian jet)
It wasn't us it was the Ukrainians
It wasn't us it was the Ukrainian separatist
Ok, fine it was us.

In Bucha:
It's all fake
It's not all fake, but it was the Ukrainians who did it
Now we're waiting for "ok, fine, we did it"

[suchmoon]

Ammunition detonated on the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the Moskva cruiser, the ship was seriously damaged, the crew was completely evacuated, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

If this spontaneous detonation sounds like bullshit, it's because it most likely is bullshit. The "ammunition" that detonated was apparently delivered by a Ukrainian "Neptune" missile.

The Ukrainian military has hit the Russian cruiser Moskva by Neptune missiles, causing serious damage to the warship.

BTW allegedly that's the infamous "Russian warship" from the early days of the war.

Edit: unconfirmed report of distress signal and eventual sinking. ~500 people on board ("completely evacuated" is likely bullshit too) and a massive blow to the Black Sea fleet and to Putin's ego.

[be.open]

An international investigation is already underway in Bucha, but everything is clear as day there. The national police entered the city and organized a purge of "collaborators", killing everyone who did not have a blue bandage on his arm, and especially those with a white one. Yes, even shooting a video about it, which they then tried in vain to remove from the network.

I like how you changed your position about Bucha. First you said that it was fake made by Ukraine when they carried out dead people to the streets to show it to foreign media. And now you're saying  that they made purge of collaborators.

I think it was like this. The national police of Ukraine entered the city and staged a cleansing operation, killing first comers without blue armbands (- Boн пaцaны бeз cиниx пoвязoк, мoжнo пo ним cтpeлять? - A тo, бля!), and especially "collaborators" with white armbands. Then, in the propaganda department, they decided that it was possible to make a good picture on this and blame the Russians.

If something goes against Russian narrative, just blame Ukrainians, even if all proofs  goes against you. About that video with shooting in Bucha, it's clearly visible that tanks have V letter used by Russian forces. Even Peskov was caught on interview. So, then he simply started to defend himself that it was fake.

With a cyclist, this is a different story and it is rather strange. I already expressed my opinion on it above, perhaps the Russians considered his behavior strange and saw the threat of a terrorist attack, because I see no other reasonable reasons to shoot several times from a 30mm cannon of an airborne combat vehicle, and then from a tank at a man on a bicycle. I hope the international investigation, which is currently underway, will restore in detail the picture of the tragedy in Bucha.

And what about Kramatorsk? I see everything quickly calmed down there after the serial number surfaced. Provocation failed? But there 50 people died from a missile strike with cluster munitions on their own civilians. An ugly story, it would be nice to deal with it and punish the perpetrators. However, I think that the direct executors have already been demilitarized, Russian intelligence officers in the field work well and Russian missiles hit right on the target.

So, based on that historical definition, All Ukrainians are now Nazi's (as I'm pretty sure they all hate Russians now). As well as all Americans, Polish, English, Mongols (eh, just guessing), Japanese (give them their island back), etc.  

Russia has no claims to Mongolia.

Putin could not care less if there are Nazis or not. His aims are unrelated to any "crusade" of "holy war", they are only geopolitical and at this point, it is quite clear that he overestimated his army, underestimated Ukrainian's will to be free, got the EU response completely wrong and, at this point he just had to change fully the strategy and put it under the command of a general that successfully flattened Aleppo and called that a victory.

I think Putin underestimated Ukraine's desire to fight Russia. Perhaps he harbored false hopes that the Nazi contagion had struck mainly only the militants of the nationalist battalions, but not the regular army of Ukraine. Otherwise, it would have been reasonable in the very first days or even hours of the operation to inflict massive missile strikes on military barracks, this would have had a strong demoralizing effect. Ukraine is fighting very well against such a strong opponent as Russia. A change in general means a change in tactics, I think the operation will become more bloody in the near future. Personally, it doesn't make me happier.

[Bitcoinbride]

The ongoing situation and crisis is a really sad situation, It was never expected that this situation will last this long. My heart goes out to all Ukrainians who have lost family, friends and properties majorly as a result of their city and land now turned into a battlefield.  Some friends of mine from Ukraine are now in Romania, when I asked the possibility of them returning after the crisis, it was very slim... One said that there will be nothing to return to but sad memories, that it was best to move on, how sad.

[coolcoinz]

Russian missiles hit right on the target.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr6vKmaEfgg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA368e26Ktw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09gNhMWI1Vo
The problem is they target civilian targets like residential buildings, hospitals, schools.
Sure, they hit where they aim, at least that's some truth coming out of their lying mouths.

They don't understand that Soviet techniques of constant denial even in the face of hard facts will not work in the era of the Internet. They are bringing 20th century warfare and misinformation tactics to a 21st century battlefield.

[be.open]

The problem is they target civilian targets like residential buildings, hospitals, schools.

This is indeed a big problem, but it is predominantly in the minds of the soldiers of the Ukrainian army, who often use schools, hospitals and the upper floors of residential buildings as their bases and firing positions. It would be better if they did it silently for the image of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but there are quite a lot of such videos on the net. As soon as field intelligence finds something similar, a missile attack on the position of the Armed Forces of Ukraine immediately follows.

Your video on the second link shows an alleged missile attack on a high-rise building in Kyiv and its consequences. It was the success of the Ukrainian missile defense at the very beginning of the operation, a Russian missile aimed at a military facility was shot down and its fragments fell into a residential building. If a Russian rocket hit the house, the house would not have a hole in the side, but a large pile of rubble.

The third video shows a missile attack on the building of the Kharkiv city administration, where at that moment a gathering of nationalists was taking place. These data were obtained and confirmed by Russian intelligence from several sources. The Russian special services have long hands, I recommend that the militants of the national battalions do not gather in groups of more than 20 people and do not stay in one place for a long time. The range of the Kalibr missile is more than 2500 km, the range of the X-101 missile is more than 5500 km, the range of the Iskander missile is up to 500 km, the high-precision missile can be struck from the sea, from the air or from the ground at any point in Ukraine at any time.

[suchmoon]

The third video shows a missile attack on the building of the Kharkiv city administration, where at that moment a gathering of nationalists was taking place.

Was the meeting taking place in those cars driving in front of the building? Because that's where the missile hit. And what happened to the "bases and firing positions"?

Speaking of which, apparently Ukrainians have a "base" and/or "firing position" in every fucking building in Mariupol, Russians bombed all of them, and still can't take the city. Is there perhaps a bit of a problem with this "bases and firing positions" nonsense?

[tvbcof]

The third video shows a missile attack on the building of the Kharkiv city administration, where at that moment a gathering of nationalists was taking place.

Was the meeting taking place in those cars driving in front of the building? Because that's where the missile hit. And what happened to the "bases and firing positions"?

Speaking of which, apparently Ukrainians have a "base" and/or "firing position" in every fucking building in Mariupol, Russians bombed all of them, and still can't take the city. Is there perhaps a bit of a problem with this "bases and firing positions" nonsense?

The strategy of the 'defenders' did indeed seem to be to use multiple civilian buildings and keep the civilians hostage in them while doing so.  At least that's my analysis based on the footage I've seen and the pretty much universal testimony of the liberated civilians.  You know, the 'millions' which Russia for some reason 'kidnapped' thus accounting for why they ended up behind the lines of Russian protection.  I've heard a few say that the Russian did try to avoid shelling the lower floors out of deference to the human shields held there, and some visual evidence seems to substantiate this.

I cannot help but be somewhat impressed at how the Russians are prosecuting this 'special military action' so far based on what I can see and verify.  It's what I would do if I where aiming for the outcome that I suspect the Russians actually want, but I am surprised that the execution is as good as it seems to be.  It's pretty hard to control military units, and especially in the 'staged but real' atrocities against Russian POW's and over-the-top Western media propaganda.  People who think that this make me a 'Putin Fanboy' or whatever are welcome to do so because they are such ignorant bottom-feeders that it means zero what they think.

[be.open]

Speaking of which, apparently Ukrainians have a "base" and/or "firing position" in every fucking building in Mariupol, Russians bombed all of them, and still can't take the city. Is there perhaps a bit of a problem with this "bases and firing positions" nonsense?

Do not worry about Mariupol, I think the captured marines of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will make a feasible contribution to the restoration of the city. I'm more worried about Kramatorsk and Slavyansk, judging by the concentration of troops on both sides, the battle for Donbass will be epic and very soon.

[Veleor]

The third video shows a missile attack on the building of the Kharkiv city administration, where at that moment a gathering of nationalists was taking place.

Was the meeting taking place in those cars driving in front of the building? Because that's where the missile hit. And what happened to the "bases and firing positions"?

I may be wrong, but on this particular issue, be.open's message contradicts the statements of the Russian side, which denies any involvement in this missile attack.
The following is a quote from the official Moscow media "Vesti" with an English translation.

March 02, 2022

Russian Armed Forces are not connected with the explosion in Kharkov

[...] The rocket flew into the center of Kharkov from the west. And there, for example, the 107th rocket artillery brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is located, which prevents the Russian forces from blocking the city. And this unit is armed with "Smerch" - multiple launch rocket systems. The Alder missile is also compatible with these complexes.

[...] And it doesn't fit into the version about the Russian missile the fact that the day before in the very center of Kharkov a gathering of volunteers was announced who would like to join the ranks of the infamous Azov battalion. But before the event, the area was empty.

"Probably, from the point of view of the Russian army, if they knew that at 10 am there would be a gathering of nationalists, it would probably be more logical to carry out this operation not at 8 am, as it was shown on the video, but at 10:20 - 10:30, in order to destroy as many Ukrainian representatives of the Azov battalion as possible with one blow", - Oleg Noginsky, an expert at the Scientific Center for Eurasian Integration, expressed his point of view.

And, although a whole day has passed, the Ukrainian side has not yet demonstrated fragments of a shell that arrived in the city center. Although they usually don't miss such an opportunity and, on the contrary, are in a hurry to talk about the evidence, especially if the markings are preserved on the fragments.

The Russian Ministry of Defense has not yet commented on today's incident in Kharkov, but the department regularly emphasizes that the Russian military doesn't hit civilian targets.

https://www.vesti.ru/article/2683751

[be.open]

I may be wrong, but on this particular issue, be.open's message contradicts the statements of the Russian side, which denies any involvement in this missile attack.

Perhaps my memory has betrayed me with someone, only a little more than a month has passed since then, but it seems that it was a very long time ago.

By the way, here is the answer of the Russian fighters to the video that you recently posted, with Adriana Kurilets in the title role.

[suchmoon]

The third video shows a missile attack on the building of the Kharkiv city administration, where at that moment a gathering of nationalists was taking place.

Was the meeting taking place in those cars driving in front of the building? Because that's where the missile hit. And what happened to the "bases and firing positions"?

I may be wrong, but on this particular issue, be.open's message contradicts the statements of the Russian side, which denies any involvement in this missile attack.

Damn, that's rough, be.open can get 15 years for spreading fakes about the glorious Russian military.

[be.open]

Damn, that's rough, be.open can get 15 years for spreading fakes about the glorious Russian military.

One regularly praises me, the other cares about me - in order to avoid unnecessary disappointment for the participants in this discussion, I must make a public statement that I have a woman and I'm straight, sorry.