Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[af_newbie]

Again dangerous smoking habits near the border:

The Governor of the Belgorod Region Vyacheslav Gladkov reported on his Telegram channel that a fire broke out at one of the facilities of the Russian Ministry of Defense in the region.

Rumor has it that "one of the facilities" is an ammunition depot, and the spontaneous combustion event may or may not have been preceded by a totally unrelated event of a foreign object arriving at a high velocity.

Cigarettes don't fly that far at high speed, though  
Russian officials notoriously lying? Any real news?
I read about 80 civilians were evacuated from Asowstal factory today, british intelligence saw no movement of russian supplies to the front, but the red army seems to bring home defective gear, wounded and dead soldiers to Russia.
They need something to show on that parade on the 9th of may, don't they?

There will probably be less equipment in this year's parades.

I saw on Russia I that they are organizing walking parades all around Russia with pictures of their dead grand-grand/grandparents who fought Germans during WW II.
Young kids with their fascist Z symbols plastered everywhere. Sad story.

They frame it that Russia fought Nazi Germany, Finland, Romania, and of course Ukraine. No mention of Vlasov army.
No mention of ~1.6M Ukrainians who fought in the Soviet Army and died during WWII.

The message that Russians are bombarded with is that "all Ukrainians are Nazis. Russian-speaking Ukrainians are Russian.
The special operation is to protect innocent Russian civilians. All civilian casualties are blamed on Ukrainian Nazis."

Truly unbelievable. Russian public lives in a parallel reality.

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[PrimeNumber7]

Thanks for your sagacious input (quoted for the benefit of future generations).  I guess my sources were wrong and there have never been any tensions between the Ukrainians and the Poles in that area.  Nothing but brotherly love from the beginning of time, and any possible tensions are completely out of the question as a future issue.

It's quite obvious by now that you have no clue about European history and just make shit up or parrot bitchute videos of similarly clueless "sources".

Poland - just like most nations in that area - has had many conflicts with its neighbors. That doesn't mean it's going to invade Germany, Lithuania, or Ukraine.

Of course Poland would never 'attack' or 'invade' Ukraine.  They might just do a 'special military action' and put 'peacekeepers' there to 'help protect' the areas they want some control over and resources from.  Much like Russia is doing in the South and East in fact.  Maybe 'democratic' elections would 'prove' that the people of Western Ukraine would want to become part of Poland someday.  Or maybe part of New Israel.  Who knows?

The problem Poland would have would be how to manage the Nationalists...at least the ones which have not been taken care of already by the Donbass people and Russia.  The Russian intel guy says that they are actively soliciting persons in Kiev right now who would work with them to mitigate that looming hassle.

I am not aware of any indication that Poland actually wants to occupy Ukraine. I have been aware that Putin has been wanting to invade Ukraine for years (decades?), and has been making incremental steps in invading Ukraine since Obama was president.

Poland has no interest in Ukraine, Russia does.

[TwitchySeal]

Thanks for your sagacious input (quoted for the benefit of future generations).  I guess my sources were wrong and there have never been any tensions between the Ukrainians and the Poles in that area.  Nothing but brotherly love from the beginning of time, and any possible tensions are completely out of the question as a future issue.

It's quite obvious by now that you have no clue about European history and just make shit up or parrot bitchute videos of similarly clueless "sources".

Poland - just like most nations in that area - has had many conflicts with its neighbors. That doesn't mean it's going to invade Germany, Lithuania, or Ukraine.

Of course Poland would never 'attack' or 'invade' Ukraine.  They might just do a 'special military action' and put 'peacekeepers' there to 'help protect' the areas they want some control over and resources from.  Much like Russia is doing in the South and East in fact.  Maybe 'democratic' elections would 'prove' that the people of Western Ukraine would want to become part of Poland someday.  Or maybe part of New Israel.  Who knows?

The problem Poland would have would be how to manage the Nationalists...at least the ones which have not been taken care of already by the Donbass people and Russia.  The Russian intel guy says that they are actively soliciting persons in Kiev right now who would work with them to mitigate that looming hassle.

I am not aware of any indication that Poland actually wants to occupy Ukraine. I have been aware that Putin has been wanting to invade Ukraine for years (decades?), and has been making incremental steps in invading Ukraine since Obama was president.

Poland has no interest in Ukraine, Russia does.

Seems like Poland has been arguably Ukraines most loyal ally going back to Putin taking Crimea.  Probably because what Putin is doing to Ukraine is so similar to what Stalin did to Poland when the Soviets invaded.  Stalins public explanation for the invasion was to rescue their "blood brothers" from Ukraine and Belarus, who were illegally being held by Poland.  They called it a campaign of "liberation".  The truth was Stalin made a secret deal with Hitler so that the Soviets and Nazis could each have a piece of Poland.

Poland/Ukraine relations haven't been perfect, but the idea that Poland would invade Ukraine seems like more Moscow nonsense that sadly many will just believe.

[PrimeNumber7]

Thanks for your sagacious input (quoted for the benefit of future generations).  I guess my sources were wrong and there have never been any tensions between the Ukrainians and the Poles in that area.  Nothing but brotherly love from the beginning of time, and any possible tensions are completely out of the question as a future issue.

It's quite obvious by now that you have no clue about European history and just make shit up or parrot bitchute videos of similarly clueless "sources".

Poland - just like most nations in that area - has had many conflicts with its neighbors. That doesn't mean it's going to invade Germany, Lithuania, or Ukraine.

Of course Poland would never 'attack' or 'invade' Ukraine.  They might just do a 'special military action' and put 'peacekeepers' there to 'help protect' the areas they want some control over and resources from.  Much like Russia is doing in the South and East in fact.  Maybe 'democratic' elections would 'prove' that the people of Western Ukraine would want to become part of Poland someday.  Or maybe part of New Israel.  Who knows?

The problem Poland would have would be how to manage the Nationalists...at least the ones which have not been taken care of already by the Donbass people and Russia.  The Russian intel guy says that they are actively soliciting persons in Kiev right now who would work with them to mitigate that looming hassle.

I am not aware of any indication that Poland actually wants to occupy Ukraine. I have been aware that Putin has been wanting to invade Ukraine for years (decades?), and has been making incremental steps in invading Ukraine since Obama was president.

Poland has no interest in Ukraine, Russia does.

Seems like Poland has been arguably Ukraines most loyal ally going back to Putin taking Crimea.  Probably because what Putin is doing to Ukraine is so similar to what Stalin did to Poland when the Soviets invaded.  Stalins public explanation for the invasion was to rescue their "blood brothers" from Ukraine and Belarus, who were illegally being held by Poland.  They called it a campaign of "liberation".  The truth was Stalin made a secret deal with Hitler so that the Soviets and Nazis could each have a piece of Poland.

Poland/Ukraine relations haven't been perfect, but the idea that Poland would invade Ukraine seems like more Moscow nonsense that sadly many will just believe.

Well to be completely fair, it might not be crazy to say that Poland would invade a Russian-occupied Ukraine in order to help liberate them. Obviously, this is not what the Russian propaganda/tvbcof was saying will happen.

I think Poland knows it is in a strategically important location to Russia, and that any Russian invasion of Poland is likely to be preceded by a Russian invasion of Ukraine. Sure, a Russian invasion/attack on Poland could come from Belarus, but that would be easier to defend against, and it would be easier for Poland to choke off Russian supply lines via Belarus.

In short, Poland and Ukraine have similar defensive interests in fending off the Russia.

[Branko]

Poland invaded Ukraine and Ukraine invaded Poland  17 times at least, so why stop now?
Lvov was #3 Poland city not that long ago, until Stalin gave it to Ukraine
Current geopolitical situation is not good for Poland retaking it, but that can change in a blink of an eye

[PrimeNumber7]

Poland invaded Ukraine and Ukraine invaded Poland  17 times at least, so why stop now?

Poland has no current interest, nor strategic benefit from invading Ukraine.

Poland has a common enemy with Ukraine, (Russia), and attempting to invade Ukraine would make it difficult to jointly defend against any Russian attack.

[paxmao]

Co ty obszczymurku pierdolisz? Pojebalo cie?

BTW, many Polish speak Ukrainian, especially in the Eastern part of Poland. As for Western Ukrainians, well, you don't know but in the last
20+ years many Ukrainians immigrated to Poland. Many of their kids are teachers of the Polish language in Polish schools, lol.

Unless you have been living under the same rock as Putin, it might be a shock to you that the world is more interconnected than ever before.

Poland would never attack Ukraine. Poles are not Katsaps, they don't attack countries.
Poles are more closely culturally related to Ukrainians than Russian-speaking Ukrainians to Katsaps.

Ukrainians and Poles are Europeans. Russians are a horde of Mongols.

Baм pyccким бyдeт пoвний пиздeть.

Thanks for your sagacious input (quoted for the benefit of future generations).  I guess my sources were wrong and there have never been any tensions between the Ukrainians and the Poles in that area.  Nothing but brotherly love from the beginning of time, and any possible tensions are completely out of the question as a future issue.

I cannot even believe that someone is trying to have a conversation that starts with "Poland is going to invade Ukraine". It shows a massive lack of understanding of the current geopolitical situation and the international relationships in Europe.

There is something we have to thank Putin for:



An this time, they are not even enemies.

[Branko]

Poland invaded Ukraine and Ukraine invaded Poland  17 times at least, so why stop now?

Poland has no current interest, nor strategic benefit from invading Ukraine.

Poland has a common enemy with Ukraine, (Russia), and attempting to invade Ukraine would make it difficult to jointly defend against any Russian attack.

That's what I said

[paxmao]

Poland invaded Ukraine and Ukraine invaded Poland  17 times at least, so why stop now?

Poland has no current interest, nor strategic benefit from invading Ukraine.

Poland has a common enemy with Ukraine, (Russia), and attempting to invade Ukraine would make it difficult to jointly defend against any Russian attack.

That's what I said

Poland invaded Ukraine and Ukraine invaded Poland  17 times at least, so why stop now?
Lvov was #3 Poland city not that long ago, until Stalin gave it to Ukraine
Current geopolitical situation is not good for Poland retaking it, but that can change in a blink of an eye

Zero percent chance. Again, there are a million reasons why that would not happen. Definitely things that do not change "in a blink".

[suchmoon]

Poland invaded Ukraine and Ukraine invaded Poland  17 times at least, so why stop now?

Because not everyone lives in some cherry-picked image of the past like the deluded clown in charge of Russia right now.

[tvbcof]

tvbcof you need to lay off the Russian propaganda.  be.open has an excuse, you don't.

I'm glad you believe this because it scratches my trolling itch, but as I've said before, I don't have a dog in his fight.

Doesn't seem that way.  You shit all over anything related to the West and talk up Putin for being such a "straight shooter" (lol).

Doesn't seem that way to you and other 'normies' perhaps, but there are some people who have a more developed sense of the world or are just wired differently.

Yeah ok.  NY Times = garbage but RT.com, or even better straight shooter Putin himself and you eat it up and spew it out.

Again, I simply require somewhat less validation of a lot of the info put out by RT or Putin, Lavrov, etc.  But I don't think that you really understand the concept of validation.

What I see in NY Times and pretty much all of the corp/gov mainstream media of the West are distinct expressions of Kabbalah.  One of these is that the Elohim 'creates worlds' by speaking in Hebrew (which I wouldn't doubt is the lingua franca in the corporate editorial offices and various offices of the U.S. State Dept.)  'Truth' is defined by what promotes a particular 'narrative' which, when believed by the goyim, furthers progress toward a particular chosen goal.

I personally was indoctrinated into post-enlightenment philosophy where 'truth' is an objective thing.  The CNN pedo-nest can sometimes get the weather right, and are a good source of info on what their programmed normie minions are thinking, but as far as actual direct information on important matters they tend to be especially useless.

[TwitchySeal]

Again, I simply require somewhat less validation of a lot of the info put out by RT or Putin, Lavrov, etc.  But I don't think that you really understand the concept of validation.

So in the beginning of the war, when Putin was saying there was no war, and you were repeating it, how did you go about validating that?  Putin said so, and you found a video online of someone else saying it?  Is that it?

LOCAL IN UKRAINE "NO WAR HERE" & COMPLETELY FAKE ASS MSM NEWS FOOTAGE & NARRATIVE
https://www.bitchute.com/video/htTj6cGnTgZC/

This is turning into a pretty good comedy.  Especially enjoyable is watching the reactions of the (highly vaxxed) mouth breathers who watch the mainstream media and think it's real.

[BADecker]

Again, I simply require somewhat less validation of a lot of the info put out by RT or Putin, Lavrov, etc.  But I don't think that you really understand the concept of validation.

So in the beginning of the war, when Putin was saying there was no war, and you were repeating it, how did you go about validating that?  Putin said so, and you found a video online of someone else saying it?  Is that it?

LOCAL IN UKRAINE "NO WAR HERE" & COMPLETELY FAKE ASS MSM NEWS FOOTAGE & NARRATIVE
https://www.bitchute.com/video/htTj6cGnTgZC/

This is turning into a pretty good comedy.  Especially enjoyable is watching the reactions of the (highly vaxxed) mouth breathers who watch the mainstream media and think it's real.

You went over there and took a look?     

[tvbcof]

Again, I simply require somewhat less validation of a lot of the info put out by RT or Putin, Lavrov, etc.  But I don't think that you really understand the concept of validation.

So in the beginning of the war, when Putin was saying there was no war, and you were repeating it, how did you go about validating that?  Putin said so, and you found a video online of someone else saying it?  Is that it?

LOCAL IN UKRAINE "NO WAR HERE" & COMPLETELY FAKE ASS MSM NEWS FOOTAGE & NARRATIVE
https://www.bitchute.com/video/htTj6cGnTgZC/

This is turning into a pretty good comedy.  Especially enjoyable is watching the reactions of the (highly vaxxed) mouth breathers who watch the mainstream media and think it's real.

I don't recall RT, Putin, etc having much to do with my initial assessment that a lot of Western press and social media psy-ops were fake.  The fakes stand by themselves are have stood the test of time.  If you have material of Putin saying clearly that there were not Russian boots/tracks on the ground at a time when their were, I missed it.  They may have passed off some of the initial actions as part of the civil war with DPR doing the shooting, but I don't remember it specifically one way or another.  It's certainly not the case that I watch Kremlin propaganda like a hawk and as a sole source of truth.

Early on it kind of looked like the whole thing could have been a Western fake war.  After a while it became clear that yes, there was some real shooting going on, but it bore little resemblance to the garbage that the Western corp/gov media was supplying.

To the degree that Russia 'faked me out', it was by trying to take an especially light touch on civilians, infrastructure, etc.  Seems that that was an experiment which produced mixed results and ultimately they switched to a more standard mode of achieving their objectives using typical military force.  Through it all, what (relatively little) Russia said through their official channels and more closely controlled media outlets (e.g., RT) tended to be terse and factual.  Other entities said all kinds of wild things either under sanction of the state or not.  That is to be expected.

As usual for me over the last decade or so, the highest grade of info in my own ranking is spontaneous, accidental, or dedicated citizen 'man-on-the-street' type reporting.  It remains the case that it's fairly easy to tell a local civilian who just stumbled out of being held captive as a human shield for Azov vs. some USAID employee who was holed up in a 'theater' with a bunch of others citizens but stepped out for a minute just before 'the Russians' bombed it.

[coolcoinz]

Poland invaded Ukraine and Ukraine invaded Poland  17 times at least, so why stop now?

Poland has no current interest, nor strategic benefit from invading Ukraine.

Poland has a common enemy with Ukraine, (Russia), and attempting to invade Ukraine would make it difficult to jointly defend against any Russian attack.

This is Russian way of creating tensions. They don't like it that Ukrainians are fleeing West instead of North, or East. There are stories circulating in the web about Ukrainians who were taken to Russia against their will and returned to Ukraine to either stay near the Western border or migrate to the EU, mainly Poland. I remember that the first response of Russia was a propaganda attack on Polish media aimed at spreading fear and hate towards migrants with statements like "they will take your jobs, they will take your husbands, you will have Ukrainian prostitutes on the streets". The news outlets blocked their comments sections and that attempt by Russia seems to have failed (no protests against migrants) so the next move was to try to scare Ukrainians with a possible Polish invasion.

I've read about Polish proposal to NATO to form a peacekeeping force that would ensure safety of evacuation corridors and protect supply runs, but they clearly stated that they wouldn't do it on their own and without approval from other countries of the pact. There was no such approval yet.

[Branko]

Zero percent chance. Again, there are a million reasons why that would not happen. Definitely things that do not change "in a blink".

Last time it did:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ukrainian_War

[Tash]

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peacekeeping force ..............

Before you can talk about a "peacekeeping force" you must have peace otherwise you talk about war mongering.

Exposing the TRUTH in Ukraine
https://youtu.be/OzMLPSXb7RU

[JoyMarsha]

infowars

Ah, right. Must be those gay frogs causing all this trouble.

My question remains, what's so important to the US about this Russia and Ukraine fight that they can't use their veto power to settle them amicably but rather they seem to take side with the Ukrainian president??

Someone needs to call Biden and tell him that he has "veto power" to stop the war. Why did no one ever think of that.


You two clowns suck at this propaganda thing. Let be.open speak for Putin, at least he can toe the party line.

Interesting to see someone sucking the establishments dick in a Bitcoin forum. You might think people would question the official story in here. 

 

Those days are long gone.
The shills around today are worse than the groobment hoons.

Maybe President Zelensky doesn't understand that NATO and America, are only good at causing or aiding war, they hardly aid rehabilitation and reconstruction, after the war.

Pledging Armour tanks, Assault helicopters, and Armor tank destroyers is not what matters most, but would they also donate, and bring back the lost infrastructures and economy?

[Branko]

Maybe President Zelensky doesn't understand that NATO and America, are only good at causing or aiding war, they hardly aid rehabilitation and reconstruction, after the war.

Pledging Armour tanks, Assault helicopters, and Armor tank destroyers is not what matters most, but would they also donate, and bring back the lost infrastructures and economy?

Yes, for the price. Weapons are also not "aid", they are paid, too

Interesting map

[coolcoinz]

Zero percent chance. Again, there are a million reasons why that would not happen. Definitely things that do not change "in a blink".

Last time it did:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ukrainian_War

Conveniently forgetting to mention the fact that there was no Poland and no Ukraine a few years back. In 1798 Poland was invaded by Russia, Germany (Prussia) and Austria and wiped from the maps. This wasn't accepted by all countries. For instance, the Ottoman Empire continued to recognize Poland as a country. During that period, all occupants conscripted Polish people into their armies, changed names of towns and streets and forbid the use of polish language in schools. When Poland got back its independence in 1918 and expected the return of its former territories, but Ukraine put a claim to Lviv, which used to be a Polish city with a lot of Poles living there. In 1772 Lviv was taken over by Austria and became the capital of the Habsburg Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria, so it was natural for Poland to put a claim to it once the occupying forces left.

Once you know a little bit about history of these lands you start to understand why there was a conflict between Ukraine, that formed a sovereign republic in the same year (1918) and Poland, that saw another country forming in its old borders, pretty much in the same way that Donbas is trying to become a republic within the old borders of Ukraine.

However Russians will try to make it look, they were always an instigator of the conflicts in Europe and have always worked against a number of countries, like Poland and Lithuania. There was no Ukraine at the time, but now that it exists it's also an enemy of Russia and it will remain this way, because Russia can't exist without plotting against its neighbors.
Read about Treaty of the Three Black Eagles and Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact among many other similar "agreements" set in motion by Russians.