Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[icopress]

Don't worry the CNN propaganda machine will bite the dust also.

Not earlier than, all those who were engaged in torture and murder will be punished.

[1715697181]

1715697181

[1715697181]

1715697181

[TwitchySeal]

Russian military bravely looted Chernobyl:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/08/europe/chernobyl-russian-withdrawal-intl-cmd/index.html

"The Russian military went through all Ukrainian clothes, personal belongings, like dogs, in search of, probably, money, valuables, laptops,"

There's hope that Darwin may eventually catch up with some of them because apparently they also took radioactive samples from a lab.

Don't worry the CNN propaganda machine will bite the dust also.
This is still a pro Bitcoin forum, is't it?

Remember when the talking point was that the whole war in Ukraine thing was fake?

LOCAL IN UKRAINE "NO WAR HERE" & COMPLETELY FAKE ASS MSM NEWS FOOTAGE & NARRATIVE
https://www.bitchute.com/video/htTj6cGnTgZC/

This is turning into a pretty good comedy.  Especially enjoyable is watching the reactions of the (highly vaxxed) mouth breathers who watch the mainstream media and think it's real.

Tel-lie-vision the biggest enemy there is

“All the world’s a stage”

William Shakespeare




https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1498090127146504193

[Tash]

Russian military bravely looted Chernobyl:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/08/europe/chernobyl-russian-withdrawal-intl-cmd/index.html

"The Russian military went through all Ukrainian clothes, personal belongings, like dogs, in search of, probably, money, valuables, laptops,"

There's hope that Darwin may eventually catch up with some of them because apparently they also took radioactive samples from a lab.

Don't worry the CNN propaganda machine will bite the dust also.
This is still a pro Bitcoin forum, is't it?

Remember when the talking point was that the whole war in Ukraine thing was fake?

LOCAL IN UKRAINE "NO WAR HERE" & COMPLETELY FAKE ASS MSM NEWS FOOTAGE & NARRATIVE
https://www.bitchute.com/video/htTj6cGnTgZC/

This is turning into a pretty good comedy.  Especially enjoyable is watching the reactions of the (highly vaxxed) mouth breathers who watch the mainstream media and think it's real.

Tel-lie-vision the biggest enemy there is

“All the world’s a stage”

William Shakespeare



https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1498090127146504193

Remember once again there will be the same result, no place for Nazis in this world.

[TwitchySeal]

Russian military bravely looted Chernobyl:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/08/europe/chernobyl-russian-withdrawal-intl-cmd/index.html

"The Russian military went through all Ukrainian clothes, personal belongings, like dogs, in search of, probably, money, valuables, laptops,"

There's hope that Darwin may eventually catch up with some of them because apparently they also took radioactive samples from a lab.

Don't worry the CNN propaganda machine will bite the dust also.
This is still a pro Bitcoin forum, is't it?

Remember when the talking point was that the whole war in Ukraine thing was fake?

LOCAL IN UKRAINE "NO WAR HERE" & COMPLETELY FAKE ASS MSM NEWS FOOTAGE & NARRATIVE
https://www.bitchute.com/video/htTj6cGnTgZC/

This is turning into a pretty good comedy.  Especially enjoyable is watching the reactions of the (highly vaxxed) mouth breathers who watch the mainstream media and think it's real.

Tel-lie-vision the biggest enemy there is

“All the world’s a stage”

William Shakespeare



https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1498090127146504193

Remember once again there will be the same result, no place for Nazis in this world.

What about the ones you've been defending lately?

[Veleor]

Reporters from the Washington Post arrived at the train station in Kramatorsk 15 minutes after the attack.
Are they on duty around the clock in every Ukrainian city?

Not earlier than, all those who were engaged in torture and murder will be punished.

Patrick Lancaster informed that the body of a dead woman with a swastika was found in the basement of a Mariupol school. Disturbing video! - https://youtu.be/6LQSYmda0Sc
I decided to clarify it, because a few days ago there was a message from the Ukrainian official Alexey Arestovich that this victim was found in Gostomel.

[Tash]

...............
Remember once again there will be the same result, no place for Nazis in this world.

What about the ones you've been defending lately?

So your argument is the war is a good thing, two Nazi sides shoot each other, the Ukraine govenment Azov battalion and some lost souls on the other side of the fence.

What about the Australian peace vehicle did they join also?

[hellflame]

War crimes are being commited by ukrainian soldiers also.

https://twitter.com/OTorresdelCampo/status/1511421975008272391

Russian prisoners knee capped,mutilated and burned.

https://twitter.com/politblogme/status/1508777630836969474

A Russian POW it's dragged on the floor like a corpse and laid besides two Russian corpses. The man recording loads his rifle. The Russian POW begs in terror.
Russian PoWs getts executed.

https://twitter.com/iamavikjordan/status/1509845638749442051?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
https://twitter.com/KPDanielle1/status/1510686202978045959?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
https://twitter.com/KPDanielle1/status/1510886293852594181

It might give the impression that the Russian military were captured after having been wounded. But that’s not the case. At the end of the video, we can see Ukrainian soldiers shooting all the newly arrived prisoners through their legs.

https://twitter.com/politblogme/status/1507975846384082945

Ukrainian soldier using deceased russian pow phone to call and taunt his/her family

https://twitter.com/raczylo/status/1508046216420020225

[coolcoinz]

Can that phone call really be classified as a war crime? I've watched the video and he clearly says that her son is dead because he was killed by artillery fire. They did not execute him as a POW or anything like that, just found the phone next to a corpse.
Why are they doing it? Because families of Russians who went to Ukraine usually support their actions. They think their kids are fighting for their country, which isn't true. They're invading another country for nothing, because there's nothing to gain for that but maybe medals and promotions if they manage to come back safe. We know most of them don't come back, so it's not even a risk worthy reward for these guys. They used to call families to tell them their children are dead to counter Russian propaganda that used to bury dead soldiers in mass graves and lie to the families that they're still fighting, but as we can see some Ukrainians are starting to lose their temper and taunt victims and their families. I don't support such actions, but this is far from being a war crime if you ask me.

[suchmoon]

Reporters from the Washington Post arrived at the train station in Kramatorsk 15 minutes after the attack.
Are they on duty around the clock in every Ukrainian city?

Not every city, but WP journalists were in the region recently reporting near Kramatorsk: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/02/eastern-ukraine-frontline-scene/ so if you're implying that they arrived there because they were told about the attack on civilians in advance - that's absurd on a few different levels.

[be.open]

I think this is another provocation by Ukraine under a false flag, shortly after Bucha. Russia does not have Tochka-U missiles in service, and in the direction of the wreckage, it flew in from the southwest, from the territory controlled by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

I didn't expected to hear something different from you. Ok, let's debunk it:
1. Russian forces used Tochka-U in military training in Belarus just before war in Ukraine:
https://rg.ru/2022/02/15/na-ucheniiah-v-belarusi-otrabatyvaiut-puski-raket-i-podderzhku-oboroniaiushchihsia-vojsk.html
It's also possibe that attack was made using Belarus owned Tochka-U, but I don't think that it change something.

The Belarusians fired their Tochka-U missiles at the joint exercises, it's true. The flight range of Tochka-U is 120 km, it will not fly from the territory of Belarus to Kramatorsk. Tochka-U is a good powerful missile, but obsolete, rather slow, and it flies along a ballistic trajectory, although it can steer a little towards the target, for example, to compensate for gusts of wind. If it was not shot down (and the rocket in Kramatorsk worked normally), then by the location of the tail section relative to the epicenter of the impact, it is easy to determine where it came from. Moreover, on the tail section there is a serial number of the missile, by which you can accurately determine which military unit it was in service with. You are not interested in such trifles when you are sure in advance that you are right, right?

2. You're saying that it flew from southwest, but there is reports and video taht Tochka-U was released from Shakhtarsk direction, which is controlled by Russia:
https://t.me/itsdonetsk/11817

According to some characteristic features of this launch, such as one rocket taking off before the second from one point, I can assume that Iskander-K is operating in this video, it has a dual launcher. Tochka-U usually also work in pairs, but from two different installations and with a synchronous start. In this case, it appears to have been a single strike, because there were no reports of a second missile at Kramatorsk.

3. Kramatorsk station was hited on 10:30 AM local time, but on Russian media there was message about it on 10:25 AM local time. Interesting that tweet was made via TweetDeck - tool used to make scheduled tweets:
https://twitter.com/rianru/status/1512345886268997632
4. Day before this attack on one pro-Russian Telegram channel there was post for people who are leaving Kramatorsk, Slovyansk and near cities suggesting to avoid railway transport:
https://imgur.com/TVZMOlu

I don't comment on conspiracy theories. There are easier ways to determine the culprit of what happened - for example, check the serial numbers on the tail of the rocket or analyze its trajectory.

And after all, I don't see why Ukraine would need to kill their own citizens, especially in such expensive way - they don't have that much Tochka-U missiles.

What you are right about is that this is indeed one of the last Tochka-U missiles that were at the disposal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Ukraine does not produce these missiles and finishes the remnants of the legacy from the USSR with an expired shelf life of at least 10 years. In the USSR, rockets were made to last, so they still work.

And the reasons for provocations under a false flag are very simple - Ukraine needs to continue to keep the attention of the world community at all costs, so that there are new deliveries of weapons and financial assistance from the West, and the West's sanctions pressure on Russia intensifies, even if it already hurts the West itself.

[TwitchySeal]

Anyone that commits a war crime should be held accountable.

Fortunately the Ukranian war crimes appear to be isolated incidents against Russian soldiers.  Unfortunately it appears Russian soldiers are being given orders to commit war crimes.

Trying to defend Russias policy on unarmed civilians because there's evidence of Ukrainians executing Russian soldiers makes you look like an ass. Although I guess it's better than the completely retarded "The Ukranians are bombing and executing themselves" defense that the guy above me keeps claiming.

[be.open]

Anyone that commits a war crime should be held accountable.

Fortunately the Ukranian war crimes appear to be isolated incidents against Russian soldiers.  Unfortunately it appears Russian soldiers are being given orders to commit war crimes.

Trying to defend Russias policy on unarmed civilians because there's evidence of Ukrainians executing Russian soldiers makes you look like an ass.

You are right, all those responsible for war crimes must be punished, regardless of the flag under which they commit them. But there is a nuance, the torture and murder of Russian prisoners of war are undeniable and documented, unlike Ukrainian fakes and provocations.

I think Ukraine just doesn't want civilians to leave Kramatorsk to the east

People in the train station were waiting to go west. There are no trains going east. It would be absurd to evacuate towards the front line, of course people are trying to get away from the war.

Hm, logical. I thought that the railway connection from Kramatorsk to the west was broken, after the recent rocket attacks on the interchange in Lozova (by the way, the Russian military carried out their strikes at night so as not to catch the civilians). But I think you are right here.

Although I guess it's better than the completely retarded "The Ukranians are bombing and executing themselves" defense that the guy above me keeps claiming.

Just think, the Ukrainian military is shooting at civilians in a city in the Donetsk region, such shocking news. The previous eight years of regular shelling of the Donbass apparently does not count, and the recent strike by the Ukrainian Tochka-U on Donetsk is a completely different thing.

[suchmoon]

recent rocket attacks on the interchange in Lozova (by the way, the Russian military carried out their strikes at night so as not to catch the civilians)

The idiocy of Russian propaganda on full display... bragging about destroying evacuation routes

And about attacks on train stations:

Bыcoкoтoчными paкeтaми вoздyшнoгo бaзиpoвaния в Дoнeцкoй oблacти нa тpex жeлeзнoдopoжныx cтaнцияx были yничтoжeны вoopyжeниe и вoeннaя тexникa пpибывшиx в Дoнбacc peзepвoв yкpaинcкиx вoйcк. Oб этoм cooбщил жypнaлиcтaм в пятницy, 8 aпpeля, oфициaльный пpeдcтaвитeль Mинoбopoны Poccии гeнepaл-мaйop Игopь Кoнaшeнкoв.

Пpeдcтaвитeль вeдoмcтвa пoяcнил, чтo тexникa BCУ нaxoдилacь нa cтaнцияx Пoкpoвcк, Cлaвянcк, Бapвeнкoвo.

Translated:

Air-launched high-precision missiles in the Donetsk region at three railway stations destroyed the weapons and military equipment of the reserves of Ukrainian troops that arrived in Donbass. This was announced to journalists on Friday, April 8, by the official representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Major General Igor Konashenkov.

The representative of the department explained that the equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was at the stations of Pokrovsk, Slavyansk, Barvenkovo.

(except there was no missile hit in Slavyansk but that's a whole other story)

[Branko]

Although I guess it's better than the completely retarded "The Ukranians are bombing and executing themselves" defense that the guy above me keeps claiming.

Aren't Ukrainians already shelling their own for the last 8 years?

[be.open]

recent rocket attacks on the interchange in Lozova (by the way, the Russian military carried out their strikes at night so as not to catch the civilians)

The idiocy of Russian propaganda on full display... bragging about destroying evacuation routes

Not the destruction of evacuation routes, but the destruction of the routes for the delivery of fuel and weapons from Western Ukraine to the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Donbass. It seems that the mayor of Kharkov even made a video message after the strike on Lozova that "the railways are damaged, the oil has run out."

But let's not be distracted by the lyrics, there is information about the serial number of the rocket from Kramatorsk, type 9M79-1, number Sh91579 (clearly visible in this video at 0:22). For example, the serial number of the Ukrainian Tochka-U shot down over Alchevsk is type 9M79-1, number Sh91565 (clearly visible in this video at 1:50). Oops, probably missiles from the same warehouse.

[PrimeNumber7]

Something to ponder on. We know that Russia did not expect the Ukrainians to put up such stiff and determined resistance; this explains why units went in unprepared (many buoys were under the impression that they would be welcome and where only told they were going in 48-72 hours prior); why Russia limited the number of targets it hit, etc but now that things are obviously going ratshit why aren't the Russians deploying some of the capabilities they have but so appeared to have held back?

Seems like there's a decent chance one of the cliffs notes for this chapter of the Global History books will be about what corruption did to Russias Military and Putins miscalculation in relying on the reputation of his army rather than his actual army.

The threat of overwhelming force can be enough to get an opposing army to lay down their arms. Wars have been won this way, as have battles. In WW2 for example, the axis were able to capture much of the pacific front by showing an overwhelming force.

Putins problem is that his military is apparently not very strong. Putin is committing nearly all his military resources towards Ukraine, and there is a stalemate at best.

[TwitchySeal]

Something to ponder on. We know that Russia did not expect the Ukrainians to put up such stiff and determined resistance; this explains why units went in unprepared (many buoys were under the impression that they would be welcome and where only told they were going in 48-72 hours prior); why Russia limited the number of targets it hit, etc but now that things are obviously going ratshit why aren't the Russians deploying some of the capabilities they have but so appeared to have held back?

Seems like there's a decent chance one of the cliffs notes for this chapter of the Global History books will be about what corruption did to Russias Military and Putins miscalculation in relying on the reputation of his army rather than his actual army.

The threat of overwhelming force can be enough to get an opposing army to lay down their arms. Wars have been won this way, as have battles. In WW2 for example, the axis were able to capture much of the pacific front by showing an overwhelming force.

Putins problem is that his military is apparently not very strong. Putin is committing nearly all his military resources towards Ukraine, and there is a stalemate at best.

This isn't the first time Russia has been in this position, either.  There are a ton of similarities between what's going on now and the first few weeks of the first Chechen war.  Russia sends a bunch of young, untrained conscripts to invade a country, gets ass whooped, demoralized. Google the Storming of Grozny if it interests you.

They ended up working out some sort of agreement, until Putin became president 5 or 6 years later.  Putin decided to break the agreement and just bomb the shit out of them until the there was basically nothing left.

[be.open]

Putins problem is that his military is apparently not very strong. Putin is committing nearly all his military resources towards Ukraine, and there is a stalemate at best.

This is probably why Ukraine announced the third wave of mobilization. Where did the previous two go? Next question please.

The Ukrainian army in the east has practically no armored vehicles left and no fuel for it. I wouldn't be surprised if the Tochka-U missile used for the provocation in Kramatorsk was the last one. But fresh reinforcements on bicycles will arrive soon.

[Veleor]

~

Not every city, but WP journalists were in the region recently reporting near Kramatorsk: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/02/eastern-ukraine-frontline-scene/ so if you're implying that they arrived there because they were told about the attack on civilians in advance - that's absurd on a few different levels.

Personally, I was surprised how WP, even during the hostilities, spread its network of journalists across the territory of Ukraine in such a way that they keep their finger on the pulse and very quickly manage to get to the places of the most high-profile events.

Hm, logical. I thought that the railway connection from Kramatorsk to the west was broken, after the recent rocket attacks on the interchange in Lozova (by the way, the Russian military carried out their strikes at night so as not to catch the civilians). But I think you are right here.

To be more precise, the train was supposed to go from Kramatorsk to Lviv.
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5303560

[paxmao]

Putins problem is that his military is apparently not very strong. Putin is committing nearly all his military resources towards Ukraine, and there is a stalemate at best.

This is probably why Ukraine announced the third wave of mobilization. Where did the previous two go? Next question please.

The Ukrainian army in the east has practically no armored vehicles left and no fuel for it. I wouldn't be surprised if the Tochka-U missile used for the provocation in Kramatorsk was the last one. But fresh reinforcements on bicycles will arrive soon.

Sure, this must be for bikes. (How many bikes can 13 billion USD buy?)

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/11/us-congress-gives-final-approval-to-13-6b-ukraine-aid-budget

And this is for the pumps and flat tire repairs (how many bike tires can 500million € buy?)

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-ukraine-russia-funding-weapons-budget-military-aid/

You are talking a lot about Putin's military this and Putin's military that... You just don't get it do you? Are you really not seeing the big picture or maybe you are just trying to post until it disappears magically?

Europe and US are not going to let Ukraine fall. There is no limit to the resources that will be put forward to stop Putin in his tracks now that Putin's Russia is shown as an aggressive, militaristic and expansionistic nation.

Ukraine is being severely damaged and it will be the US and Europe rebuilding it, better and greater than ever. Putin's has actually accelerated the process of the Ukrainian people reaching their goal of joining the west and realising the full potential of their country. Do you know that there are no refugee camps for the 4 million Ukrainians that fled? Do you know who are they living with? European families.

Now, go on telling us how great your victories are and how Ukraine is faking this and that. It changes nothing, except the lives of the young Russians and the families, sent to die on behalf of a septuagenarian that overestimated his army, underestimated the Ukrainian people and failed to see the big picture, just as you are failing to see it.

...
Can that phone call really be classified as a war crime? I've watched the video and he clearly says that her son is dead because he was killed by artillery fire. They did not execute him as a POW or anything like that, just found the phone next to a corpse.
...

The call itself does not class as a crime, but it is certainly cruel. The twisted logic behind this is trying to let the Russian people why are so many of their young soldier not returning home. Putin does not care about them, but their mothers certainly do.