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May 09, 2022, 09:11:56 PM
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We should not be surprised that Putin was more prepared for the out of the war. He knows that sanctions will come from NATO countries and also from the European countries. I don't think he is tired of ending the war because is like he is regrouping is soldiers to get ready for another battles. We don't know he's next move but I think the world nations should fix a meeting with him so that the war can be end. A lots of soldiers had already lost there lives because of the war.

I think, as you write, Putin is prepared for many months of war, maybe even years. To stop the war now would be equivalent to defeat, and Putin will certainly not admit to that. If the boycott of casinos means that Russia has less money to support this war, in my opinion we should do it. It is possible that less people will die thanks to us.
Ego is one of the things for sure on why Putin hadnt stopped this war.Do you believe on that? Its true on what you had said about admitting defeat.Its true that no one does have the idea on how long Russia
would able to sustain sanctions or economic problems but we are currently seeing that they've stood strong onto  their decision but wont be surprised that these things would be over.
We arent minding about economic failures but rather minding on the lives wasted because of this war which we do really be in concern.

Of course I believe that Putin ego is the biggest problem that is keeping him from stopping this war.

Unfortunately, if the NATO countries do not want a direct clash with the Russian army, then the tightening of sanctions against Russia is probably the only peaceful tool other countries have at the moment. In my opinion, the boycott of casinos may also contribute to the fact that this war will even shorten a little.
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May 09, 2022, 09:58:14 PM
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We should not be surprised that Putin was more prepared for the out of the war. He knows that sanctions will come from NATO countries and also from the European countries. I don't think he is tired of ending the war because is like he is regrouping is soldiers to get ready for another battles. We don't know he's next move but I think the world nations should fix a meeting with him so that the war can be end. A lots of soldiers had already lost there lives because of the war.

I think, as you write, Putin is prepared for many months of war, maybe even years. To stop the war now would be equivalent to defeat, and Putin will certainly not admit to that. If the boycott of casinos means that Russia has less money to support this war, in my opinion we should do it. It is possible that less people will die thanks to us.
Ego is one of the things for sure on why Putin hadnt stopped this war.Do you believe on that? Its true on what you had said about admitting defeat.Its true that no one does have the idea on how long Russia
would able to sustain sanctions or economic problems but we are currently seeing that they've stood strong onto  their decision but wont be surprised that these things would be over.
We arent minding about economic failures but rather minding on the lives wasted because of this war which we do really be in concern.

Of course I believe that Putin ego is the biggest problem that is keeping him from stopping this war.

Unfortunately, if the NATO countries do not want a direct clash with the Russian army, then the tightening of sanctions against Russia is probably the only peaceful tool other countries have at the moment. In my opinion, the boycott of casinos may also contribute to the fact that this war will even shorten a little.

I don't think boycotting casinos will have great impact about shortening this war.
This is just one small niche that people can boycott in terms of Russian business.
And besides, most of these businesses are not assisting Putin's agenda.
They don't even like this war because it is affecting their business, so financially supplying Putin's plans. I don't think so.
Maybe, there are some businesses but not all. And up until now, we don't know what will make Putin to finally end this war.
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May 09, 2022, 10:00:56 PM
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I would not use Russian casinos. First of all, I think if I gamble on Russian casinos and lose, then at some point I indirectly support the Russia against the Ukraine because the profit that casino makes goes into Russians budget and funds their soldiers.

Look on a situation from different angle. Try not to lose, but instead make Russian gambling platform go bankrupt. With it, you will reduce amount of tax paid and reduce war funding. How do you like that ? Would you support the movement aimed to bankrupt Russian gabling platforms? Or lets hire Ocean and his friends to rob their safes?

You see, all these boycotts, sanctions, rallies, bans or leaving Russian market does not work so far. This situations between Russia and Ukraine must be settled on a different level.
Sorry but the angle you are trying to look from is non-existent. How can I try not to lose and instead make their gambling platforms go bankrupt? Casino games aren't solely based on luck. Do you completely ignore the mathematical properties of probability? the house edge? Please google the mathematics of gambling and then you'll understand that it does not matter what you try, you can't beat the house, you can't beat their games because you can't beat the math, no one has ever beaten the math cause it's just impossible. Understand, that the more you play, the more the math works against you.

You also clearly haven't readen my full post, I said that it's even risky for me to deposit in Russian casinos because they can lock my accounts and I won't be able to do anything against them, so, even if it was possible to beat their casinos, I'm facing another risk.

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May 09, 2022, 10:39:00 PM
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Unfortunately, if the NATO countries do not want a direct clash with the Russian army, then the tightening of sanctions against Russia is probably the only peaceful tool other countries have at the moment. In my opinion, the boycott of casinos may also contribute to the fact that this war will even shorten a little.

I don't think boycotting casinos will have great impact about shortening this war.
This is just one small niche that people can boycott in terms of Russian business.
And besides, most of these businesses are not assisting Putin's agenda.
They don't even like this war because it is affecting their business, so financially supplying Putin's plans. I don't think so.
Maybe, there are some businesses but not all. And up until now, we don't know what will make Putin to finally end this war.

Certainly the boycott of casinos itself will not have a large impact on shortening this war, but if it has even a minor impact, in my opinion it is a good initiative.
The goal is to reduce the flow of tax money to the Russian budget that pays for this war.
Of course, we do not know what Putin will do, but his actions do not mean that he is thinking about ending the war, so sanctions and boycotts should be ever greater until they take effect.
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May 09, 2022, 11:31:42 PM
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We should not be surprised that Putin was more prepared for the out of the war. He knows that sanctions will come from NATO countries and also from the European countries. I don't think he is tired of ending the war because is like he is regrouping is soldiers to get ready for another battles. We don't know he's next move but I think the world nations should fix a meeting with him so that the war can be end. A lots of soldiers had already lost there lives because of the war.

I think, as you write, Putin is prepared for many months of war, maybe even years. To stop the war now would be equivalent to defeat, and Putin will certainly not admit to that. If the boycott of casinos means that Russia has less money to support this war, in my opinion we should do it. It is possible that less people will die thanks to us.
Ego is one of the things for sure on why Putin hadnt stopped this war.Do you believe on that? Its true on what you had said about admitting defeat.Its true that no one does have the idea on how long Russia
would able to sustain sanctions or economic problems but we are currently seeing that they've stood strong onto  their decision but wont be surprised that these things would be over.
We arent minding about economic failures but rather minding on the lives wasted because of this war which we do really be in concern.

Of course I believe that Putin ego is the biggest problem that is keeping him from stopping this war.

Unfortunately, if the NATO countries do not want a direct clash with the Russian army, then the tightening of sanctions against Russia is probably the only peaceful tool other countries have at the moment. In my opinion, the boycott of casinos may also contribute to the fact that this war will even shorten a little.

I don't think boycotting casinos will have great impact about shortening this war.
This is just one small niche that people can boycott in terms of Russian business.
And besides, most of these businesses are not assisting Putin's agenda.
They don't even like this war because it is affecting their business, so financially supplying Putin's plans. I don't think so.
Maybe, there are some businesses but not all. And up until now, we don't know what will make Putin to finally end this war.
I would say the same thing on which i dont believe that gambling sector is something that Russian government is really been relying or does have big part or percentage when it comes
to contributing into its reserves.We cant be sure yet since its not been proven out but i would really say that it wont really be affecting that much or would
contribute big on via means or intention of stopping this war.
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May 10, 2022, 10:53:13 AM
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As for the boycott itself, I actually quite agree, even though it doesn't have any impact, but this can be used as a form of rejection of what they are doing, but on the other hand, I'm actually quite sorry for the civilians who are affected by their political interests impact.

Civilians who are affected the most are Ukrainians who are killed. As for the economic consequences of sanctions and boycotts for Russian citizens, they are intended to end this war. If that doesn't work for the Russian government, it's possible that the citizens will eventually change government and end this war on their own.
I know something like this will definitely be an excuse, it's true I am also concerned about what is happening to the Ukrainian people here and indeed I also condemn the actions of political people who justify any means for their personal gain.
but by boycotting civilians in Russia in the hope that they will feel the impact so starting a movement to overthrow the government wouldn't this also be disastrous for them.
Ukraine alone with all its strength and all the assistance to the military from other countries is still in trouble and is now telling the Russian people to stop and fight against their own government. sorry but your thinking is quite naive here because this is tantamount to scapegoating the people who are forced to fight their country

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May 10, 2022, 11:31:19 AM
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There is no war that can be good. Of course, it is an individual matter whether someone wants to support the boycott or not. The boycott and sanctions are perhaps the most peaceful attempt help in stop the war if the aggressor doesn't want to stop it, so in my opinion this initiative is good.
Every war will have consequences for both parties, whether it's the loser or the winner because they both lost their soldiers who had defended the interests of the warring people. Boycotts and sanctions might help but in this case, the Russians are likely to survive because they have the resources at their disposal to help them survive. We don't know when the war will end, maybe it can last until the end of the year or next year. We can only hope that the people of both sides will survive and that the leaders of Russia and Ukraine can communicate to end the war soon.

What currently happening is battle between the pride of their leaders and its really unfortunate that other life has been sacrifice for what decision they made. Look at what happen to them now both of this country economically struggle due to the incident happen to them. And I guess sanctions will not help this case anymore since as we see Russia became more aggressive even if there's something like this implemented on their country.

I have the feeling that Putin will go all in in this war as it may be his last hurrah in this world. But from the looks of it, as Ukraine is not giving up, winning on this war is still far-fetch from them. And besides, in war, there's no winning as both camps will have their casualties and negative impact on their economy.

As we are now living in this war period, I just want to say that it is hard to boycott these Russian gambling platforms just like hard to boycott to watch Russian athletes. Just look at the recent winning streak of Bivol in boxing. I guess many boxing fans are not expecting for Bivol to upset Canelo in this match. Bivol is not a trash talker so it is hard for the audience not to like him after Canelo's defeat. Bivol just proved his dominance in this weight division, no races mentioned just pure talent and skills.

If Putin plan to stop this war maybe from the very start he just do taunting to scare Ukraine. But since he already declare this and this conflict take longer days then most provably they don't have plan to end this war unless one of them(him and the president) will surrender and announce their defeat. All of us suffer to much on their war because the oil price skyrocket and also the price of basic good rise up.

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May 10, 2022, 04:46:48 PM
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Although I understand the frustration of the Ukrainian people and other countries suffering under this kind of invasion 'special military operation' but banning Russian gambling platforms is a long stretch and these sites have nothing to Russia govt. Sure, you might say since the Russian people didn't protest against Putin's govt actions so they might take the blames too. Will you, put your hatred at any Russian people to satisfy your thirst for revenge, even for blood? Bombing them, killing them just because they are Russian? Even kid to old babushkas? So no one is innocent in war then? Please understand this only breed more hatred and harder to end this invasion. Just think a bit harder before making this kind of thread.
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May 11, 2022, 03:27:13 AM
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I would not use Russian casinos. First of all, I think if I gamble on Russian casinos and lose, then at some point I indirectly support the Russia against the Ukraine because the profit that casino makes goes into Russians budget and funds their soldiers.

Look on a situation from different angle. Try not to lose, but instead make Russian gambling platform go bankrupt. With it, you will reduce amount of tax paid and reduce war funding. How do you like that ? Would you support the movement aimed to bankrupt Russian gabling platforms? Or lets hire Ocean and his friends to rob their safes?

You see, all these boycotts, sanctions, rallies, bans or leaving Russian market does not work so far. This situations between Russia and Ukraine must be settled on a different level.

The opinion you give is another point of view that should also be considered, I know that the war has left Ukraine very badly, but I think that the only one to blame for that is Putin, not his people, we all know that Russia with its rulers, Russia , even the USA itself are not white doves, for a long time there have been very intrinsic interests and that they do not say because of the "diplomacy" that must be kept among themselves, it is something normal, for me this is a geopolitical problem and that the truth it will end when the strongest wins, unfortunately I see it that way, and the rulers no longer care about human losses, be they soldiers or innocent people, to stop this problem I think the solution is far from doing a massive ban on Russian platforms, I think attacking them generates more hate.

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May 11, 2022, 03:37:10 AM
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I would not use Russian casinos. First of all, I think if I gamble on Russian casinos and lose, then at some point I indirectly support the Russia against the Ukraine because the profit that casino makes goes into Russians budget and funds their soldiers.

Look on a situation from different angle. Try not to lose, but instead make Russian gambling platform go bankrupt. With it, you will reduce amount of tax paid and reduce war funding. How do you like that ? Would you support the movement aimed to bankrupt Russian gabling platforms? Or lets hire Ocean and his friends to rob their safes?

You see, all these boycotts, sanctions, rallies, bans or leaving Russian market does not work so far. This situations between Russia and Ukraine must be settled on a different level.

I agree that the current sanctions are ridiculous. Russia should be completely cut off from trade with the world. Then Putin would definitely think very quickly about what is more profitable for him. I think now about the sanctions that were once imposed on Iran.
However, if no one is doing it so far, then all boycots, even if do not have a large impact on the Russian budget, are a clear signal that the world does not accept a pointless war. If there are no such signals, i.e. boycotts and sanctions, it will be a silent approval that Putin can attack whoever he wants.

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May 11, 2022, 07:44:59 AM
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Although I understand the frustration of the Ukrainian people and other countries suffering under this kind of invasion 'special military operation' but banning Russian gambling platforms is a long stretch and these sites have nothing to Russia govt. Sure, you might say since the Russian people didn't protest against Putin's govt actions so they might take the blames too. Will you, put your hatred at any Russian people to satisfy your thirst for revenge, even for blood? Bombing them, killing them just because they are Russian? Even kid to old babushkas? So no one is innocent in war then? Please understand this only breed more hatred and harder to end this invasion. Just think a bit harder before making this kind of thread.
Banning Russian gambling platforms is possible, but don't take revenge on the Russian people because they don't necessarily know what their government is doing. Russian people just follow what their government says and we also don't know if their government is telling the truth or turning the facts upside down. Perhaps it would be best to stop this war immediately as it would be of no use to either side and only the people would suffer. War will inevitably cause many consequences, be it from the people, other countries, or the warring country itself.

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May 11, 2022, 02:40:34 PM
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Russian gambling platforms is possible, but don't take revenge on the Russian people because they don't necessarily know what their government is doing. Russian people just follow what their government says and we also don't know if their government is telling the truth or turning the facts upside down. Perhaps it would be best to stop this war immediately as it would be of no use to either side and only the people would suffer. War will inevitably cause many consequences, be it from the people, other countries, or the warring country itself.

I am agree with your words. Where a ceasefire should be talked about, one side is doing as much as it can to provoke the other. And while some selfish bigwigs may have spoken well, they are actually hoping that the war will last a long time so that their interests can be saved. Don't take my words negatively I speak with full respect to OP and others. My point is that we should talk about how to save all people from the ravages of war

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Of course I believe that Putin ego is the biggest problem that is keeping him from stopping this war.

Unfortunately, if the NATO countries do not want a direct clash with the Russian army, then the tightening of sanctions against Russia is probably the only peaceful tool other countries have at the moment. In my opinion, the boycott of casinos may also contribute to the fact that this war will even shorten a little.
Have different situation right ow beside Russia president ego and take business by NATO countries, still many weapon arrived on Ukraine sending from Unites State and Germany. I think have bad impact with many citizen as victim and actually terrible with Ukraine president ask to his people become soldier and keep fighting with professional soldier from Russia. Better finding way if need stop working with NATO and guarantee Russia stop war invasion is the best way did by Ukraine president than keep continue war.

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May 11, 2022, 06:34:12 PM
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I agree that the current sanctions are ridiculous. Russia should be completely cut off from trade with the world. Then Putin would definitely think very quickly about what is more profitable for him. I think now about the sanctions that were once imposed on Iran.
However, if no one is doing it so far, then all boycots, even if do not have a large impact on the Russian budget, are a clear signal that the world does not accept a pointless war. If there are no such signals, i.e. boycotts and sanctions, it will be a silent approval that Putin can attack whoever he wants.
This is really strong argument. First of all, the world must stop buying oil and gaz. Then stop buying fertilizers. Stop using russian rocket engines. Stop buying food, neon. Stop buying nuclear fuel and selling nuclear waste.
And after that boycott of russian casinos will make Putin suffer very much.
The world changed. The all world couldn`t do anything with Iran, US can`t win even in Venezuela but boycott of casino makes Russia to surrender.


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May 11, 2022, 07:27:33 PM
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I agree that the current sanctions are ridiculous. Russia should be completely cut off from trade with the world. Then Putin would definitely think very quickly about what is more profitable for him. I think now about the sanctions that were once imposed on Iran.
However, if no one is doing it so far, then all boycots, even if do not have a large impact on the Russian budget, are a clear signal that the world does not accept a pointless war. If there are no such signals, i.e. boycotts and sanctions, it will be a silent approval that Putin can attack whoever he wants.
This is really strong argument. First of all, the world must stop buying oil and gaz. Then stop buying fertilizers. Stop using russian rocket engines. Stop buying food, neon. Stop buying nuclear fuel and selling nuclear waste.
And after that boycott of russian casinos will make Putin suffer very much.
The world changed. The all world couldn`t do anything with Iran, US can`t win even in Venezuela but boycott of casino makes Russia to surrender.
Do you really have the idea on what are the things you've been talking on? If cutting off ties with Russia in terms of oil supply and related things then they had already done such thing since from the
beginning but since Russia is one of the top suppliers of oil and gas specially in Europe then it cant really be denied that other neighboring countries do really need that one out.
Sanctions is the key but we do see on how Russia do able to withstand these things but im much sure that the longer it runs the more destruction or problem that it could make.
Casino boycotting wont be affecting that much imho.

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May 11, 2022, 08:55:54 PM
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By the looks of it most nations do not boycott anything Russian, so I do not know why we should? I mean I try to not work with places that work with Russia or china personally but sometimes it just happens so there is nothing that I could do about it.

However, I do not really know the places I work with and where they are from. Like for example, the biggest bets I make are in three places, freebitco.in, stake, sportsbet.io those three are majority of my bets and the long term gambling I do, and there are some news with each signature campaign that I join, some of them are great, some of them are not so much, and depending on the result I gamble there. Are these places Russian owned? I do not know, I really do not.

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May 11, 2022, 09:53:01 PM
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I agree that the current sanctions are ridiculous. Russia should be completely cut off from trade with the world. Then Putin would definitely think very quickly about what is more profitable for him. I think now about the sanctions that were once imposed on Iran.
However, if no one is doing it so far, then all boycots, even if do not have a large impact on the Russian budget, are a clear signal that the world does not accept a pointless war. If there are no such signals, i.e. boycotts and sanctions, it will be a silent approval that Putin can attack whoever he wants.
This is really strong argument. First of all, the world must stop buying oil and gaz. Then stop buying fertilizers. Stop using russian rocket engines. Stop buying food, neon. Stop buying nuclear fuel and selling nuclear waste.
And after that boycott of russian casinos will make Putin suffer very much.
The world changed. The all world couldn`t do anything with Iran, US can`t win even in Venezuela but boycott of casino makes Russia to surrender.
While European countries are doing what they can it is simply impossible to completely replace Russia as their provider of oil and gas, they will have to ether get another provider and pay more for it, use nuclear energy which has a completely different set of risks or try to use renewable sources of energy which will be more expensive as well, so there is not an easy way out of the dependence they have on Russian oil and it will take at least a decade to pull this off.
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May 11, 2022, 11:52:49 PM
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Running by time I think not effective with several time when European countries try to boycott Rusia. I think ghey will keep thing ahead what ever did still not impact directly with Rusian economic. Maybe have over with anything boycott with Rusia and gambling platform boycott from Russia still not effective, have good think if keep stopping all and Ukraine or Rusia try first negotiation how they can stop war and back normal activities.

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May 11, 2022, 11:59:21 PM
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Running by time I think not effective with several time when European countries try to boycott Rusia. I think ghey will keep thing ahead what ever did still not impact directly with Rusian economic. Maybe have over with anything boycott with Rusia and gambling platform boycott from Russia still not effective, have good think if keep stopping all and Ukraine or Rusia try first negotiation how they can stop war and back normal activities.
Lots of sanctions had been already imposed nor been applied but still wasnt enough for Russia to stop this war crisis against Ukraine which does proves out that they do have big reserves.

For sure Russia isnt really just focusing nor relying into gambling industry revenue which it would really be that understandable that they do have other sources which they could rely
or depend on when it comes on funding the war.Now there's no sure on when this war would end because on just checking or seeing then theres no plan for such thing
to happen.

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May 12, 2022, 03:46:39 AM
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I agree that the current sanctions are ridiculous. Russia should be completely cut off from trade with the world. Then Putin would definitely think very quickly about what is more profitable for him. I think now about the sanctions that were once imposed on Iran.
However, if no one is doing it so far, then all boycots, even if do not have a large impact on the Russian budget, are a clear signal that the world does not accept a pointless war. If there are no such signals, i.e. boycotts and sanctions, it will be a silent approval that Putin can attack whoever he wants.
This is really strong argument. First of all, the world must stop buying oil and gaz. Then stop buying fertilizers. Stop using russian rocket engines. Stop buying food, neon. Stop buying nuclear fuel and selling nuclear waste.
And after that boycott of russian casinos will make Putin suffer very much.
The world changed. The all world couldn`t do anything with Iran, US can`t win even in Venezuela but boycott of casino makes Russia to surrender.
Do you really have the idea on what are the things you've been talking on? If cutting off ties with Russia in terms of oil supply and related things then they had already done such thing since from the
beginning but since Russia is one of the top suppliers of oil and gas specially in Europe then it cant really be denied that other neighboring countries do really need that one out.
Sanctions is the key but we do see on how Russia do able to withstand these things but im much sure that the longer it runs the more destruction or problem that it could make.
Casino boycotting wont be affecting that much imho.
Try to search more information. Russia not only oil and gaz supplier. We can talk about what Russia export for a long time and i can`t say who will lose more, if Russia decide to answer in the same way. Do you fly from Europe to China for example? Compare ticket price in January and in April. Russia imports a huge quantity of PC, but the same time Russia exports components without which no one can product it.
Russia just didn`t answer yet and here you decide that casino boycott will break Russian economy.


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