Sanction isn't the right option

[Webetcoins]

Until now, I see that the sanctions imposed on Russia are not really effective in making Russia want to make peace with Ukraine, so I think sanctions are not the right option. There is a need for deeper communication between the two countries about this war because its effects on the economies of neighboring countries are really impactful, especially those that are dependent on oil and gas from Russia.

It can be said that Russia is a very strong country, even though many countries have imposed sanctions on Russia, but Russia continues to inflate Ukraine, until now Russia is still attacking Ukraine, the sanctions given to Russia are not appropriate, because other countries those who feel the impact of the sanctions, such as in my country, now oil is very expensive, and the price of Pertamax has soared, I just pray that the war between the two countries will end soon.

They are definitely a strong nation there is no doubting that, however they are not a "good" nation. Like for example, if you are talking against the war in a public place, you will be jailed, maybe you will stay there or maybe you will be warned and let go I do not know the rest, but I know for a fact that if you talk about the Ukraine war in a bad light, they take you away, what happens next is beyond me.

This is more than enough to show that they are not a good nation at all, they are a very bad nation to live in, I wouldn't want to be in Russia right now. All in all we just have to face the fact that some bad nations could grow strong over time.

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[Ozero]

I think sanctions will make a lot of people suffer, those who don't agree with the war of course accept the consequences so this is a mistake, many things can be done to stop the war, and the most common thing is dialogue to find the best solution, if the war has already happened you should not It's easy to give sanctions because there will be many problems that follow.

Russian troops, on the orders of Putin, are now purposefully destroying the economy of Ukraine. They shoot at residential buildings, schools, hospitals, factories, they shoot directly at civilians, women, old people and children. Sitting in a warm room watching TV or a laptop, it's easy to talk about unfair sanctions that could affect "innocent" people in Russia. Tell about this in Ukraine to those who are in the basements of settlements under constant shelling by Russian artillery and multiple launch rocket systems, without food and water, who are dying under the rubble and forced to sleep there with the corpses of their dead relatives.

There are no innocent people in Russia in this tragedy in Ukraine. After all, it is not Putin who personally robs, kills and rapes the inhabitants of Ukraine. This is done by the husbands, fathers and brothers of those "innocent" who are in Russia and who, in telephone conversations, still order what clothes, household appliances or other property to bring from the houses of the robbed houses of Ukrainians. Recently, the wife of a Russian occupier told her husband in a telephone conversation: "You rape Ukrainian women there, just don't tell me. The main thing is to protect yourself."

Do you know that more than 80 percent of Russians now support the war unleashed by Russia in Ukraine and the killing of Ukrainians? So who is innocent? And how can the state machine of war be weakened so that all the people of this state do not suffer? The current sanctions, of course, are not very effective. As long as the "innocent" around the world pay $1.4 billion a day for Russian oil and gas to Russia, which is used to wage war, the effect of the sanctions will not be quick. However, even with this, even with the current sanctions in a year or two, the effect will be very noticeable.

More than half a trillion dollars worth of assets has been frozen by the international community on the currency and property of Russia and its elite. I consider it absolutely fair that these funds be transferred to Ukraine to restore its economy. This would greatly deter such aggressors in the future and encourage his people to restrain their maddened gangsters.

[bakasabo]

More than half a trillion dollars worth of assets has been frozen by the international community on the currency and property of Russia and its elite. I consider it absolutely fair that these funds be transferred to Ukraine to restore its economy. This would greatly deter such aggressors in the future and encourage his people to restrain their maddened gangsters.

How can you separate frozen funds of Russian citizen, that did not vote for Putin on election, from those who did? Or a guy, who has Russian passport, lives and works abroad, does not care about Russian government at all, but has his funds also frozen. You are judging whole nation for deeds of several persons.

I can do that also. When I was a kid, other kid at kinder garden took my toy car. This kids grand-grand-grand-grand father has Ukrainian roots. I think I would blame all Ukrainians after this.

who are in Russia and who, in telephone conversations, still order what clothes, household appliances or other property to bring from the houses of the robbed houses of Ukrainians.

I find it hard to believe, that when you are at war and on enemy territory, you steal led tv or t-shirt and send it home. Where did these troops keep all this stuff? In tanks?

[riso2015]

Will sanctions revive the lost souls in the Ukraine war? Even if properties can be bought, what about pain and agony and war trauma? The USA and the Western world are those that are escalating the war to the present stage. giving weapons to Ukraine to stand and fight a war they may not possibly win should it happens to them instead of toiling the part of the peace

Of course not and even the sanctions imposed by European countries and the United States on Russia don't seem to mean much,
I think diplomacy is a better way than imposing sanctions, but even so, diplomacy doesn't run smoothly.
humanity is more important and hope this war can end soon

other countries do not make peace but make things worse, by giving weapons to Ukraine, and imposing sanctions on Russia, actually it is not Russia that feels the impact of these sanctions, but other countries, especially my country since sanctions were imposed on Russia, all staple foods in my country have gone up doubled, oil also doubled, when will all this end??

[be.open]

other countries do not make peace but make things worse, by giving weapons to Ukraine, and imposing sanctions on Russia, actually it is not Russia that feels the impact of these sanctions, but other countries, especially my country since sanctions were imposed on Russia, all staple foods in my country have gone up doubled, oil also doubled, when will all this end??

The current sanctions against Russia are a fantastic miscalculation of the West. Two months later, they are not felt at all at the household level, it seems that the prices for everything in stores have even decreased. I don't know, so far the only change I've noticed is that ApplePay stopped working on my iPhone (I have to take my card out of my wallet to pay) and the image hosting that I used to embed an image on bitcointalk stopped working. Maybe I need to wait another six months or a year to feel some kind of effect? In 2014, after the annexation of Crimea, the sanctions were much more painful, now it can hardly even be called some kind of discomfort.

[Oasisman]

Will sanctions revive the lost souls in the Ukraine war? Even if properties can be bought, what about pain and agony and war trauma? The USA and the Western world are those that are escalating the war to the present stage. giving weapons to Ukraine to stand and fight a war they may not possibly win should it happens to them instead of toiling the part of the peace

Of course not and even the sanctions imposed by European countries and the United States on Russia don't seem to mean much,
I think diplomacy is a better way than imposing sanctions, but even so, diplomacy doesn't run smoothly.
humanity is more important and hope this war can end soon

other countries do not make peace but make things worse, by giving weapons to Ukraine, and imposing sanctions on Russia, actually it is not Russia that feels the impact of these sanctions, but other countries, especially my country since sanctions were imposed on Russia, all staple foods in my country have gone up doubled, oil also doubled, when will all this end??

Good observations lol.
We won't gonna expect this war to end early when nations are donating weapons to Ukraine to defend themselves and Russian sanctions continued. I guess it's not actually the Russian people who were affected by these sanctions, but the 3rd world countries the most. Oil price rallied almost double it's price, and of course the products would skyrocket as well since they are all dependent on oil prices.

[Ozero]

More than half a trillion dollars worth of assets has been frozen by the international community on the currency and property of Russia and its elite. I consider it absolutely fair that these funds be transferred to Ukraine to restore its economy. This would greatly deter such aggressors in the future and encourage his people to restrain their maddened gangsters.

How can you separate frozen funds of Russian citizen, that did not vote for Putin on election, from those who did? Or a guy, who has Russian passport, lives and works abroad, does not care about Russian government at all, but has his funds also frozen. You are judging whole nation for deeds of several persons.

I can do that also. When I was a kid, other kid at kinder garden took my toy car. This kids grand-grand-grand-grand father has Ukrainian roots. I think I would blame all Ukrainians after this.

who are in Russia and who, in telephone conversations, still order what clothes, household appliances or other property to bring from the houses of the robbed houses of Ukrainians.

I find it hard to believe, that when you are at war and on enemy territory, you steal led tv or t-shirt and send it home. Where did these troops keep all this stuff? In tanks?

Now the entire Russian people, given their great support for Putin's actions, are attacking the Ukrainians. Understand correctly: now the civilians of Ukraine are under constant fire. Russia can and does shell any point on Ukrainian territory, targeting civilian infrastructure. Let them figure out for themselves in Russia which of them is more to blame and who is less. But there are no broad public protests. That they are afraid of their chosen ruler is also their fault. They themselves elect their officials and determine their own terms of reference. If they do not control them, that is also their fault. No one has the right to interfere in their internal affairs, and therefore they themselves are responsible for their politicians and leaders.
Inaction, tacit consent, the execution of a criminal order - this is also a crime. When the Russian army captured the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea in 2014, everyone just clapped their hands. The condemnation of such an act of aggression was rare and isolated. Therefore, selective punishment in this case is simply impossible. In Russia, its people and all the people must be held accountable for the ongoing genocide of Ukrainians.

Write that I judge the cases of several people? So take them out, what's the problem? Approximately 170,000 Russian soldiers have invaded Ukraine, and they are all shooting at Ukrainians. Well, it's not a few anymore. And even more of those who provide them with weapons, fuel, ammunition, shoot from the territory of Russia and Belarus, submarines and strategic bombers. No, the entire Russian people are now waging an aggressive war against Ukraine. And all the people must answer, if only because there is no mechanism to determine who is more to blame and who is less. The punishment should be such that for many generations they remember and tell their children and grandchildren that attacking peaceful neighboring peoples is a disaster for the attackers themselves.

As for the loot, on social networks you can see how Russian soldiers are transporting refrigerators, carpets, toilets directly on tanks, armored vehicles. Can you imagine, even toilet bowls are taken away from houses. For them, it is generally surprising that a toilet can be right in a private house. After all, they serve in the army from the deep Russian hinterland, where civilization has not yet reached them. And it was they who invaded Ukraine to rescue Ukrainians from someone.

[Renampun]

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If the sanctions are imposed on developing countries or small countries of course it will work,
but in the current case where it refers to Russia I don't think it will matter considering Russia is a big country with a lot of resources,
Regardless of all that, I really hope that both countries can resolve it through diplomacy or non-violent means

Russia's greatest wealth is their oil and gas...

Russia today is not like the former Uni Soviet, which was a superpower but Russia is the most important country in Europe and its surroundings because it is the largest supplier of gas and oil there, so when the western and US sanctions were given, they had absolutely another way not to be pressured by the sanctions. I'm not sure a ceasefire agreement will come soon, Russia has shown an attitude to keep in the war.

[bakasabo]

More than half a trillion dollars worth of assets has been frozen by the international community on the currency and property of Russia and its elite. I consider it absolutely fair that these funds be transferred to Ukraine to restore its economy. This would greatly deter such aggressors in the future and encourage his people to restrain their maddened gangsters.

How can you separate frozen funds of Russian citizen, that did not vote for Putin on election, from those who did? Or a guy, who has Russian passport, lives and works abroad, does not care about Russian government at all, but has his funds also frozen. You are judging whole nation for deeds of several persons.

I can do that also. When I was a kid, other kid at kinder garden took my toy car. This kids grand-grand-grand-grand father has Ukrainian roots. I think I would blame all Ukrainians after this.

who are in Russia and who, in telephone conversations, still order what clothes, household appliances or other property to bring from the houses of the robbed houses of Ukrainians.

I find it hard to believe, that when you are at war and on enemy territory, you steal led tv or t-shirt and send it home. Where did these troops keep all this stuff? In tanks?

Now the entire Russian people, given their great support for Putin's actions, are attacking the Ukrainians. Understand correctly: now the civilians of Ukraine are under constant fire. Russia can and does shell any point on Ukrainian territory, targeting civilian infrastructure. Let them figure out for themselves in Russia which of them is more to blame and who is less. But there are no broad public protests. That they are afraid of their chosen ruler is also their fault. They themselves elect their officials and determine their own terms of reference. If they do not control them, that is also their fault. No one has the right to interfere in their internal affairs, and therefore they themselves are responsible for their politicians and leaders.
Inaction, tacit consent, the execution of a criminal order - this is also a crime. When the Russian army captured the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea in 2014, everyone just clapped their hands. The condemnation of such an act of aggression was rare and isolated. Therefore, selective punishment in this case is simply impossible. In Russia, its people and all the people must be held accountable for the ongoing genocide of Ukrainians.

Write that I judge the cases of several people? So take them out, what's the problem? Approximately 170,000 Russian soldiers have invaded Ukraine, and they are all shooting at Ukrainians. Well, it's not a few anymore. And even more of those who provide them with weapons, fuel, ammunition, shoot from the territory of Russia and Belarus, submarines and strategic bombers. No, the entire Russian people are now waging an aggressive war against Ukraine. And all the people must answer, if only because there is no mechanism to determine who is more to blame and who is less. The punishment should be such that for many generations they remember and tell their children and grandchildren that attacking peaceful neighboring peoples is a disaster for the attackers themselves.

As for the loot, on social networks you can see how Russian soldiers are transporting refrigerators, carpets, toilets directly on tanks, armored vehicles. Can you imagine, even toilet bowls are taken away from houses. For them, it is generally surprising that a toilet can be right in a private house. After all, they serve in the army from the deep Russian hinterland, where civilization has not yet reached them. And it was they who invaded Ukraine to rescue Ukrainians from someone.

My fathers grandparents moved from Russia to other country. In our family, we speak Russian (plus most of us know two more languages, including national language), some members of our family has "Russian" against nationality line in passport. Basically I am Russian. With your posts, you call people to blame me. Fair ? You say "everyone must answer".

You say Russians are marauders. What about Ukrainians, tided to lanterns for being marauders? Or they are Russians? Then why they are dressed in civilian and not captured?
Why there are so many footages that shows how bad Russians are, and not a single independent Russian social media show how Ukrainians act during that war?

Look, I am not supporting this so called military operation, neither support any side. My position is - everything should ne solved through negotiations.

[jaberwock]

Russia's greatest wealth is their oil and gas...

Russia today is not like the former Uni Soviet, which was a superpower but Russia is the most important country in Europe and its surroundings because it is the largest supplier of gas and oil there, so when the western and US sanctions were given, they had absolutely another way not to be pressured by the sanctions. I'm not sure a ceasefire agreement will come soon, Russia has shown an attitude to keep in the war.

I believe their greatest wealth is their nukes to be fair, without them, nobody could care about Russia and they would be the mockery of the world by now, the only reason they are still taken seriously is their nukes, get them out and Russia wouldn't be more than some poor third world nation.

However, their biggest export is oil/gas and interestingly wheat as well. Those three things cover for majority of their exports and actually majority of their income as well since they do not really have too many companies that work with other nations and bring in a ton of money. Oil is something that could end, there is a limit to how much you would have, which means unless they take precautions, they are going to run dry one day eventually.

[Serco]

other countries do not make peace but make things worse, by giving weapons to Ukraine, and imposing sanctions on Russia, actually it is not Russia that feels the impact of these sanctions, but other countries, especially my country since sanctions were imposed on Russia, all staple foods in my country have gone up doubled, oil also doubled, when will all this end??

no one knows when this war will ended , so far there is no real result of negotiations between Ukrania and Russia, and meanwhile make everthing getting worse by its sanctions or weapon supply. each party must realized this war will sacrifice alot old and child and so ne countries should be mediator or mediator.

[bangjoe]

other countries do not make peace but make things worse, by giving weapons to Ukraine, and imposing sanctions on Russia, actually it is not Russia that feels the impact of these sanctions, but other countries, especially my country since sanctions were imposed on Russia, all staple foods in my country have gone up doubled, oil also doubled, when will all this end??

no one knows when this war will ended , so far there is no real result of negotiations between Ukrania and Russia, and meanwhile make everthing getting worse by its sanctions or weapon supply. each party must realized this war will sacrifice alot old and child and so ne countries should be mediator or mediator.

War will make the country poor, not only for the two disputing countries but its effects will be felt in other countries. If the war continued then things would only get worse, and it was felt even before this happened. If we only rely on the awareness of the two countries that are heating up, I don't think it will come to a meeting point and will never even happen. I hope this will end soon, because many will be victims and many have already been. Otherwise I can't imagine what the worst effect would be.

[Renampun]

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I believe their greatest wealth is their nukes to be fair, without them, nobody could care about Russia and they would be the mockery of the world by now, the only reason they are still taken seriously is their nukes, get them out and Russia wouldn't be more than some poor third world nation.

However, their biggest export is oil/gas and interestingly wheat as well. Those three things cover for majority of their exports and actually majority of their income as well since they do not really have too many companies that work with other nations and bring in a ton of money. Oil is something that could end, there is a limit to how much you would have, which means unless they take precautions, they are going to run dry one day eventually.

Russian oil and gas will definitely dry up someday, but it takes a long time to get there...

what's interesting is that even though russian gas/oil will dry up but as you said yourself, they still have nuclear and also wheat which is one of their strengths. Russia is not a small country, their area is very large, so economic sanctions alone will not have a significant impact on them, the world needs something big to stop the Russian invasion to ukraine.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

<snip>only the weak die in the rice without hitting the hand. If you want to kill someone who has a sword in his hand, he will snatch the rice from you.

Now that's an interesting saying, one I've never heard before.  I'll confess I don't know exactly what it means, but perhaps there's some language barrier preventing me from understanding.  However, I think I get the general gist of what you mean.

<snip>how realistic is it if the West thinks that Russia will continue to weaken the economy by quietly imposing sanctions on this huge military power?

I have no idea, and I seriously doubt any of the western countries imposing these sanctions know either.  I'm guessing that they think it's their best course of action, because what else can they do?  Start a war with Russia?  Germany in the WWII era didn't have nuclear capability, so after WWI everyone felt free to fuck with them at will.  That isn't the case with Russia in 2022; if the US, UK, or any other nation who wants to help Ukraine flexed their military might, what do you think Putin would do?  

And that's the question Ukraine's allies are asking themselves, too.  I've been hearing innuendo about Putin's mental state, but frankly I never know what to believe with news outlets from any country--there's so much propaganda it's ridiculous.  I do know that no country wants to pick a fight with a country that has the power to obliterate half the globe or more.  That's why everyone is starting with sanctions.

Why there are so many footages that shows how bad Russians are, and not a single independent Russian social media show how Ukrainians act during that war?

That's a question I've been asking myself lately, although I know the answer--the media in the US is basically controlled by the government, and they don't want to present this issue with opposing viewpoints, only anti-Russian ones.  On the other hand, I haven't been seeing anything negative about Russian citizens, only Putin and the military.  But yeah, I have no idea what, if anything, Ukraine is doing wrong in this conflict because that's all censored. 

[Rasa nanas]

Russian oil and gas will definitely dry up someday, but it takes a long time to get there...

what's interesting is that even though russian gas/oil will dry up but as you said yourself, they still have nuclear and also wheat which is one of their strengths. Russia is not a small country, their area is very large, so economic sanctions alone will not have a significant impact on them, the world needs something big to stop the Russian invasion to ukraine.

The sanctions imposed by western countries on Russia have no significant effect because the country with the strongest economy namely China is on the side of Russia. imposing economic sanctions on russia is tantamount to suicide because russia supplies most of the energy in europe. true, it takes something big to stop the russian invasion of ukraine because economic sanctions and using weapons is not the right way to stop the russian invasion of ukraine.

[iv4n]

More than half a trillion dollars worth of assets has been frozen by the international community on the currency and property of Russia and its elite. I consider it absolutely fair that these funds be transferred to Ukraine to restore its economy. This would greatly deter such aggressors in the future and encourage his people to restrain their maddened gangsters.

How can you separate frozen funds of Russian citizen, that did not vote for Putin on election, from those who did? Or a guy, who has Russian passport, lives and works abroad, does not care about Russian government at all, but has his funds also frozen. You are judging whole nation for deeds of several persons.

I can do that also. When I was a kid, other kid at kinder garden took my toy car. This kids grand-grand-grand-grand father has Ukrainian roots. I think I would blame all Ukrainians after this.

who are in Russia and who, in telephone conversations, still order what clothes, household appliances or other property to bring from the houses of the robbed houses of Ukrainians.

I find it hard to believe, that when you are at war and on enemy territory, you steal led tv or t-shirt and send it home. Where did these troops keep all this stuff? In tanks?

Maybe it's hard for you to believe that, but this happens in every war! There're always people who are ready to take an advantage of the situation, even if that "taking advantage" is totally unethical, immoral, unprincipled, dishonourable, dishonest, unconscionable, fraudulent, and I don't know what else! But this happens all the time! I know some people from my neighborhood who went to war poor and came back very rich! Rich like a new and bigger house, new cars... and all that in months! 
I was a couple of years younger, so wars didn't catch me, but I know many people who went to war and I heard incredible stories from first hand... there's no explanation for this, some people are just garbage, in peace and in war, and you have those people everywhere around!

It's going like this, the first units that enter the populated place are special units, they are taking really valuable stuff, gold, and golden coins, hard cash... stuff like that, small but valuable! They are also cleaning the place, killing/raping/hardcore stuff, those guys are usually crazy! Many of them got into some really serious organized crime after the war! Ordinary soldiers comes in later, they are taking what's left! TV's, tools, clothes...

[Semar Mesem]

Sanctions will only make new problems, but with the current Russian economic conditions that look strong, it seems like it will not be too influential, maybe for the long term it will be a problem for the Russian economy.

[Furious 7]

Sanctions will only make new problems, but with the current Russian economic conditions that look strong, it seems like it will not be too influential, maybe for the long term it will be a problem for the Russian economy.

This is also still quite difficult considering that the country behind Russia at this time is China, which incidentally is a country with a fairly strong economy after America. I think this will only give a slight bluff no matter in the short or long term it will only have very little effect now.

Precisely in this case when Russia now owns almost everything one of which is oil when seeing sanctions like this will only make it difficult for smaller countries that impose sanctions on them especially for European countries.

[yawars20]

The common knowledge of history can tell us much more we can think of our selves now.
From the beginning Human nature is to seek more ways to dominate its surrounding and for so generation there are so many individuals who are still trying.
But now things are quite different and I think we are at the highest possible human advancement level and from this point we can now only think of way to survive from our own doing not to seek for more advancement.
Crypto sure is an amazing idea but with so many flwas in it the biggest is that it is still control by big fishes. You know what i mean. So we can't possibly be thinking about applying it to evolve but to use it as secondary way of an exchangeable currency.

[Erumo]

Limiting someone never worked well in the future. Real people that are responsible for war are not suffering from anything. They might get some temporary inconveniences in future, but in general sanctions wont affect them.

What everyone tries to achieve with all these sanctions? Force Russian people to overthrow government? But who will be in charge then? What if more crazy person will be the leader (and he would be craze, he is now made even more angry with sanction), what he will do? Stop the war, say they are sorry and cover all losses? Doubtfully. Instead he could send the biggest available missile straight to the face.