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March 27, 2022, 08:36:59 AM
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Yes it's going to be the right option but the only problem is that Russia is not Germany so they won't easily bend with this economic sanctions, this is actually much better because the sanctions have started early so as to make sure that the war can't last for a really long time. The only problem with this is the innocent people of Russia will be a collateral damage unless they revolt which the Russians are really good at.

Many Russian people support their president and they are not ashamed that they are Russian. This country has gone through great trials and wars. People did not live very richly, but lived in abundance. The sanctions are hitting every country in Europe. Their effect will be felt not only by Russians, but by every person in the world. Now is a difficult time for everyone.

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March 27, 2022, 08:16:47 PM
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Not the right thing but the only way to harm Russia and be forced to stop this war without escalating it in a global tension. Innocent Russians are harmed by this, yes, but if this is not done, Russia will just continue what its doing like it's just another Monday for them.

The West can always retaliate with bombs and nukes, but that doesn't really help does it? The world needs Russia for its oil and Russia needs buyers for its product, so why not bleed out Russia's options on where to sell first until they realize that they can't fund this invasion any further?
I think the only country that is allowed right now to transact for Russia is china and India?
Because, recently India have made a purchased of oil from Russia at a discounted rate but India have already warned by the U.S. That should be the last transaction that they will do but what about china?

They better stop this country too because Russia can continue to sell goods and they can have funds again that they can use for war purposes. The world needs Russia for its oil but why will they continue with the sanctions?

Anyway, there are still countries which we can get oil but their supply might not be as huge as on what Russia have.
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March 27, 2022, 08:54:21 PM
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The context is not exactly the same, but how realistic is it if the West thinks that Russia will continue to weaken the economy by quietly imposing sanctions on this huge military power? It is possible to put pressure on Russia on various issues if we have economic relations. But when Russia is left completely helpless, will they apologize to the West as helpless? It is difficult to believe that Russia will do that with such a huge military force. When the Russians turn from angry to extremist against the West over Russia's problems, there may be a repeat of what happened in Germany. Which will devastate Europe.

Russia's strongest weapon is the "natural gas and oil" they have.  west may continue to impose sanctions on Russia but will they be able to put up with high and increasingly difficult oil and gas prices?  here the price of oil has almost tripled from before the Russian invasion to ukraine, this really sucks!

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March 27, 2022, 10:31:39 PM
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Yes it's going to be the right option but the only problem is that Russia is not Germany so they won't easily bend with this economic sanctions, this is actually much better because the sanctions have started early so as to make sure that the war can't last for a really long time. The only problem with this is the innocent people of Russia will be a collateral damage unless they revolt which the Russians are really good at.

Many Russian people support their president and they are not ashamed that they are Russian. This country has gone through great trials and wars. People did not live very richly, but lived in abundance. The sanctions are hitting every country in Europe. Their effect will be felt not only by Russians, but by every person in the world. Now is a difficult time for everyone.
I don't think so because at that time there were some people who were against what Putin was doing and protested to stop the war but instead they were arrested by the police.
so I mean that means there are still a lot of people who don't support Putin in this regard about the war on Ukraine and with that happening they're scared and it's better to just keep quiet,
when it comes to sanctions it looks like Russia is already preparing for this and we'll see what happens next

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March 27, 2022, 11:29:14 PM
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Putin made an immediate decision and entered Ukraine. This isn't expected by the world powers. Russia never expected such sanctions from the world countries and organisations. If Russia has thought of it, already alternate measures could've been made. Ukraine on the other side could've made itself stronger getting support from other countries. To make a country self sufficient is not an easy thing to be achieved all of the sudden. It is a practice and part of tradition, but people are not ready to adopt it. Maybe someday this could get back and people starts following it. Sanction could've been the right option,if it affect the government and not the public.
Putin should know already that his invasion will result to sanctions. The whole invasion was too impromptu and there was obviously nothing Valensky could do other than seek help from neighboring countries, and since Ukraine weren't prepared all the can settle for at the moment is a peace talk

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March 28, 2022, 01:24:00 AM
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Yes it's going to be the right option but the only problem is that Russia is not Germany so they won't easily bend with this economic sanctions, this is actually much better because the sanctions have started early so as to make sure that the war can't last for a really long time. The only problem with this is the innocent people of Russia will be a collateral damage unless they revolt which the Russians are really good at.

Many Russian people support their president and they are not ashamed that they are Russian. This country has gone through great trials and wars. People did not live very richly, but lived in abundance. The sanctions are hitting every country in Europe. Their effect will be felt not only by Russians, but by every person in the world. Now is a difficult time for everyone.
I don't think so because at that time there were some people who were against what Putin was doing and protested to stop the war but instead they were arrested by the police.

What do you expect from a authoritarian regime?

so I mean that means there are still a lot of people who don't support Putin in this regard about the war on Ukraine and with that happening they're scared and it's better to just keep quiet,
when it comes to sanctions it looks like Russia is already preparing for this and we'll see what happens next

I believed that there are a lot of Russians who doesn't agree with Putin's decision to declare war. But he is in power, if the people will have the guts to overthrow him but they can't because they are all afraid of him.

Nevertheless, they know that the sanctions is coming, so there should be no debate whether it's right or wrong. Sooner or later the US will react with this kind of actions.

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March 28, 2022, 01:56:54 PM
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The only probelm with Russia might be :
- Being pushed to the side they might try and use Nuclear weapons
- They are already thinking of using chemical agents on the people

Therefore other than that :
- Sanctions are going to cut off the economic supply to Russia and indirectly cut off all the money that's going to the war
- I understand it's causing probelms with the people living here but at the same time it's super essential to do to show that everyone is United and supporting Ukraine
- without sanctions they cannot stop the fight, funding and there would be no basis for talks as well.
I have also worried about whether Russia would decide to start making use of nuclear weapons for the war. But, I really hope that they wouldn't resort to that and will just quit from the actions that they are taking now so that there will be peace.

There are already so many innocent civilians that have suffered because of the war. so many innocent civilians have lost their lives, this is not the way to go and it will be best that Russians end the attack on Ukraine and go for Peace instead. Most times it is not advisable to fight fire with fire. Sanction definitely seems like a better move to go with than any other thing. and like you have said with the sanctions that have been imposed on them, it would cut off most of the finance that they are using to fund the war.
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March 28, 2022, 03:54:38 PM
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Putin made an immediate decision and entered Ukraine. This isn't expected by the world powers. Russia never expected such sanctions from the world countries and organisations. If Russia has thought of it, already alternate measures could've been made. Ukraine on the other side could've made itself stronger getting support from other countries. To make a country self sufficient is not an easy thing to be achieved all of the sudden. It is a practice and part of tradition, but people are not ready to adopt it. Maybe someday this could get back and people starts following it. Sanction could've been the right option,if it affect the government and not the public.

What affects the government affects the people. What economic sanctions do you have in mind that will only allow the government to suffer but not the people?
Because as far as we're talking about a country 's economy, we're basically talking about everyone in that specific country's people's basic living.
Ukraine on the other hand was about to equip themselves with more protection from other countries If they have successfully joined forces with NATO, but Russia was more ready before that happens. That wasn't an immediate decision from Putin, that actually takes long time before he have decided, he could've actually done this a bit early, when the first time Ukraine showed interest with NATO to accomplish full freedom from Russia.

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The sanctions are a blessing, all the overpriced garbage they not spending on. The sanctions also make me laugh, quite a bit.

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March 28, 2022, 09:32:56 PM
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Putin made an immediate decision and entered Ukraine. This isn't expected by the world powers. Russia never expected such sanctions from the world countries and organisations. If Russia has thought of it, already alternate measures could've been made. Ukraine on the other side could've made itself stronger getting support from other countries. To make a country self sufficient is not an easy thing to be achieved all of the sudden. It is a practice and part of tradition, but people are not ready to adopt it. Maybe someday this could get back and people starts following it. Sanction could've been the right option,if it affect the government and not the public.

What affects the government affects the people. What economic sanctions do you have in mind that will only allow the government to suffer but not the people?
Because as far as we're talking about a country 's economy, we're basically talking about everyone in that specific country's people's basic living.
Ukraine on the other hand was about to equip themselves with more protection from other countries If they have successfully joined forces with NATO, but Russia was more ready before that happens. That wasn't an immediate decision from Putin, that actually takes long time before he have decided, he could've actually done this a bit early, when the first time Ukraine showed interest with NATO to accomplish full freedom from Russia.

the people are the ones who will suffer from these sanctions, unfortunately. the burden in terms of rising prices will be the problem of ordinary people. but for most of these rich people, they won't be bothered by the rising prices. sanction after sanction for now is the only option that they know to punish the move of Russia towards Ukraine. as they can't stop Putin or know what he's planning of, the only way to suffer them economically is to put sanctions on them.

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March 28, 2022, 10:20:54 PM
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Sanctions is indeed the right option taken by US on Russia , because I see no other way better than that to weaken their hands and stop them from fighting Ukraine , it is much more better than going into Ukraine to help them fight Russia because it would have even caused more problem and even to extent of leading to world war 3 that everyone was talking about.

 
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March 28, 2022, 10:42:06 PM
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Yes it's going to be the right option but the only problem is that Russia is not Germany so they won't easily bend with this economic sanctions, this is actually much better because the sanctions have started early so as to make sure that the war can't last for a really long time. The only problem with this is the innocent people of Russia will be a collateral damage unless they revolt which the Russians are really good at.
Many Russian people support their president and they are not ashamed that they are Russian. This country has gone through great trials and wars. People did not live very richly, but lived in abundance. The sanctions are hitting every country in Europe. Their effect will be felt not only by Russians, but by every person in the world. Now is a difficult time for everyone.
I don't think so because at that time there were some people who were against what Putin was doing and protested to stop the war but instead they were arrested by the police.
so I mean that means there are still a lot of people who don't support Putin in this regard about the war on Ukraine and with that happening they're scared and it's better to just keep quiet,
when it comes to sanctions it looks like Russia is already preparing for this and we'll see what happens next

It's true that not all Russians agree with what Putin is doing, but because the Russian government acted decisively against their citizens who
protested, so in the end a lot of people in Russia chose silence. In fact, if a survey is conducted, I am very optimistic that more people will reject
what Putin has done. I say that, because most civilians just want peace. Moreover, the impact of this war made Russia get a lot of sanctions from
many countries. In the end, the Russians themselves were harmed, such as Russian businessmen who have assets in America and NATO countries
whose assets are frozen. As for the Russian government itself, everything has been prepared, so the sanctions they received did not stop them
from war. I don't think sanctioning Russia is an effective way to stop the war, negotiating is the best way to go. Because if this war is prolonged,
civilians from both countries will suffer.

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March 28, 2022, 11:04:21 PM
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Sanctions is indeed the right option taken by US on Russia , because I see no other way better than that to weaken their hands and stop them from fighting Ukraine , it is much more better than going into Ukraine to help them fight Russia because it would have even caused more problem and even to extent of leading to world war 3 that everyone was talking about.
True. The world tried to solve the issue with Russia through diplomacy, but it failed, so sanctions were the next step in order to stop Putin. I hope it works, so further measures won't be needed to be taken against Russia.

On the other hand, I fear sanctions might not be enough, leading to the final alternative you mentioned and everyone is worried about.

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March 29, 2022, 02:17:03 PM
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Yes it's going to be the right option but the only problem is that Russia is not Germany so they won't easily bend with this economic sanctions, this is actually much better because the sanctions have started early so as to make sure that the war can't last for a really long time. The only problem with this is the innocent people of Russia will be a collateral damage unless they revolt which the Russians are really good at.

Many Russian people support their president and they are not ashamed that they are Russian. This country has gone through great trials and wars. People did not live very richly, but lived in abundance. The sanctions are hitting every country in Europe. Their effect will be felt not only by Russians, but by every person in the world. Now is a difficult time for everyone.

Sadly, you are right. Based on the poll surveys, most of the Russian citizens are in favor of their president's decision in invading Ukraine. I don't really understand why, because it's such a cruel act when it could be done in a diplomatic way instead of addressing it in an aggressive manner. And with this, yes, I guess the only way is to impose sanctions so that they would have no other choice but to raise the white flag and have some peace talks. I really do hope that this would happen because war makes no sense. Those people who benefit are just the elites and most people, particularly the innocent ones end up suffering and dying.

If the sanctions would continue, Russia's power could be limited because of limited resources and movement. This way, their fighting power would somehow weaken.

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March 29, 2022, 02:30:59 PM
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Sanctions will only cause big problems and humanity in the long run, I'm sure many Russians don't agree with the war but it's a sad thing because they have to accept the consequences of their government's invasion of Ukraine.
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March 29, 2022, 05:32:10 PM
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Not the right thing but the only way to harm Russia and be forced to stop this war without escalating it in a global tension. Innocent Russians are harmed by this, yes, but if this is not done, Russia will just continue what its doing like it's just another Monday for them.

The West can always retaliate with bombs and nukes, but that doesn't really help does it? The world needs Russia for its oil and Russia needs buyers for its product, so why not bleed out Russia's options on where to sell first until they realize that they can't fund this invasion any further?
Even if the sanctions are being sold as a way to try to stop this war, if we are being realistic there is nothing that will stop Putin to try to get what he wants out of this war, the sanctions are really meant to weaken Russia economically to the point they cannot engage in another campaign like this one anytime soon against another country, so this will buy time to those other countries to either join NATO and if not to at least buy US armament to protect themselves in the case of a future conflict with Russia.
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March 29, 2022, 07:44:01 PM
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since Ukraine weren't prepared all the can settle for at the moment is a peace talk

Yeah, an absolutely unprepared country can hold back the world's second army for 34 days right now. I wonder, if we were preparing, would we become the world's first army?

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March 29, 2022, 08:23:40 PM
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No level of sanctions can make Putin bow down from his intent as far as Europe and NATO nation's still play the dependency role on the Russian gas for their energies in their various nation's.

Many sanctions here and there only because they just want an end to this unscrupulous war and not that their sanctions can actually cripple Russia economy.  No amount of sanctions actually could drastically affect the Russian's economy in that there are other nations that are ready to trade and do business with Russia amid this war.

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March 30, 2022, 01:28:11 PM
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since Ukraine weren't prepared all the can settle for at the moment is a peace talk

Yeah, an absolutely unprepared country can hold back the world's second army for 34 days right now. I wonder, if we were preparing, would we become the world's first army?

Whenever you have to be ready to become a soldier, at this time there is no guarantee that the country will be safe, tensions between countries continue to increase even within the country there are also frequent riots caused by many things such as economics, politics and so on, and the presence of cryptocurrencies is certainly a good solution for save assets so that they will be useful in the event of war.


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March 30, 2022, 01:52:22 PM
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Even if the sanctions are being sold as a way to try to stop this war, if we are being realistic there is nothing that will stop Putin to try to get what he wants out of this war, the sanctions are really meant to weaken Russia economically to the point they cannot engage in another campaign like this one anytime soon against another country, so this will buy time to those other countries to either join NATO and if not to at least buy US armament to protect themselves in the case of a future conflict with Russia.
The Sanctions were supposed to be a way for Putin to change his mind. Maybe a method to persuade him to back off or maybe give him a way out imo. But since Putin was pretty much sure that he was pushing with the war, the sanctions only served to actually hit the citizens of Russia instead of Putin, which lead to the damage not really hitting Putin that much. I guess they have to push out more stricter sanctions imo, one that would inevitably hit them for a long time to make Putin do a double take on what he's actually doing (which I really doubt, but hey, it wouldn't hurt to try).

 
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