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March 16, 2022, 11:48:31 PM
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It will result to multiple effects since there are certain things will get affected in terms of economical aspect especially if the country has been sanction is also a consider a 1st world country which they can also rebut and that's what happening right now where there's a huge effect which totally hurt the global market right now. But it will really give a problem to the main country like Russia since they only have limited things to do especially when dealing their products and also their economy is totally sinking for this action imposed to them.

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March 16, 2022, 11:59:18 PM
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It will result to multiple effects since there are certain things will get affected in terms of economical aspect especially if the country has been sanction is also a consider a 1st world country which they can also rebut and that's what happening right now where there's a huge effect which totally hurt the global market right now. But it will really give a problem to the main country like Russia since they only have limited things to do especially when dealing their products and also their economy is totally sinking for this action imposed to them.
They might able to sustain for a while but we know that nothing do last forever specially if everything was cut or having no support due to those sanctions been imposed on other countries
which sooner or later they would really able to felt out those after effects and this is the consequence on what their government had done.

Some saying that this isnt the solution for the war to be stopped but these sanctions would surely hurt a lot when they do need it the most.

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March 17, 2022, 01:03:02 PM
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The kind of sanctions imposed on Russia is war sanctions due to their invasion on Ukrainian soil. Am believing that she'll grow her original capability and look towards Asia or the Middle East for patronage. Russia is no foreigner to warrants though. The UK is finding different means to destabilise the Russian economy. If China can live through warrants and flourish by it, Russia can do the same. Russia will survive the sanctions like the Germans and come out strong.

I have come to the realized that the kind of sanctions imposed on Iran and other nations are just like kindergarten sanctions compared to that of Russia

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March 17, 2022, 01:41:51 PM
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I don't think this will work against a nuclear armed country. Case in point, North Korea. Yes, they are suffering but did that stopped them from making nukes, which is what the sanctions was hoping to achieve? No.

That's what's likely going to happen with Russia. It could eventually lead to a pull-out from Ukraine but now you've got another nuclear-armed country that China can use as a scourge against its enemies.

Do I think something should be done to stop the violence? Yes. Sanctions are a start but against a determined regime, it's far less effective than most people would think.

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March 17, 2022, 02:56:27 PM
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I don't think sanctions would make the situation better. It only makes innocent people suffer and to be honest, people from other continents are also affected by these sanctions that cause economic breakdown globally. Sanctions couldn't stop Putin from invading Ukraine and it might only make the situation worse. I guess before imposing sanctions, authorities would think twice if it would have a positive impact to stop the war.
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March 17, 2022, 03:28:36 PM
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Diplomatically sanctions are absolutely the right option. Not only because it persuades the people of the country to lobby the government to stop the war. But yes it's effect on the country doing the sanctions is very harsh too. Not only it weakens the overall economic condition of the country but think of that specific business who was involved in exporting the good to that country also some businesses which won't be able to complete their orders as the part which was necessary for the product couldn't be imported. But to stop the war I don't see any other peaceful option which doesn't directly kills people.
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March 17, 2022, 06:46:20 PM
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I mean I wouldn’t say that no one learns from history, that is after all the whole point of history, learning from the past. That’s at least why I’ve always loved history and studied it closely. I think trying to cripple Russia with sanctions is really all we can do at this point in time. If NATO were to try and fight back at all, that would assuredly start World War III. Then China gets involved and we probably all will die , so I think we are doubt the best we can right now without starting another war.
Nuclear weapons is the only reason why we should not attack Russia (and death of all the soldiers as well). I mean without nuclear weapons, it is clear that NATO could attack Russia, and even China and beat them very easily, they just have insane weapon difference.

Let me put it this way, USA spends twice more than China and Russia combined, MORE THAN DOUBLE. That should tell you how strong USA could be in case of a war and we are talking about just one nation versus the threat here, then we have all of Europe as well.

Cut down on economy, live in poverty, use all that to produce more weapons and money on everything, you end up with even more success. But, what is the result? What would you get? Maybe some American puppet at Russia? Which will lose elections as soon as possible and another Putin at the top? Are you going to topple CCP and get a capitalist elected? I doubt that. So, there is really no point in a war.
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March 18, 2022, 06:59:38 PM
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I think the biggest mistake in op's sort of thinking is that Russia is mistakenly considered a superpower. Russia surely believes it's a superpower, and some Western countries believe that as well, but they're actually thinking of the past, of the Soviet Union that indeed posed a significant threat and had to be dealt with respectfully. Russia has a huge territory, but, economically, it's a developing country. And, militarily, 'the second strongest army in the world' turned out to be a fraction of the might they were supposed to have, thanks to disorganization and corruption, largely. So yes, sanctions will definitely work on Russia. The question is more about the time it takes till the total collapse: weeks, months, maybe a year? And for Ukraine, every day matters because every day Russia is killing many civilians.
Do you really think Russia and Putin are foolish enough to make similar mistakes? I don't think so. Personally, I don't completely support these sanctions since they are hurting innocent Russian citizens who don't support the war.
Speaking of 'innocent Russian citizens', there aren't as many of those as you might think there are. In fact, according to independent polling, 70% of Russians support the war against Ukraine. Needless to say, official state polling also shows strong Russian support of the war. And if the vast majority support Putin right now, it's totally fair that they'll suffer. I'm sorry that some of those who oppose the war will suffer from it as well, but it's a war and that's just how it works.

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Sanctions are definitely the best way to go about tackling the issue on Ukraine with Russia. All these are in a bid to reck Russians economy so as to ensure Putin lacks the needed funds to finance the way but to a large extent, there is an introduction of bias in the way this sanctions are been given.

You can imagine almost every sector being sanctioned and still USA buys gas from Russia! What's that suppose to imply? Or are we to say they don't know what they are doing?

Apparently, USA understands that it's citizens would have to suffer on that part and as such, they turn a blind eye while other nations rush to sanction Russia. War is not always an easy thing and I pray peace to both nations.

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March 18, 2022, 08:20:09 PM
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Sanctions are definitely the best way to go about tackling the issue on Ukraine with Russia. All these are in a bid to reck Russians economy so as to ensure Putin lacks the needed funds to finance the way but to a large extent, there is an introduction of bias in the way this sanctions are been given.

You can imagine almost every sector being sanctioned and still USA buys gas from Russia! What's that suppose to imply? Or are we to say they don't know what they are doing?

Apparently, USA understands that it's citizens would have to suffer on that part and as such, they turn a blind eye while other nations rush to sanction Russia. War is not always an easy thing and I pray peace to both nations.
This is what war is like in the sense that we never know what agreement there is between these countries because what we know so far is that the US has imposed sanctions on Russia but on the other hand they are still buying gas from them.
if the war continues for long I don't think this will be good not only for Ukraine but the world will be affected too,
Of course we all want peace but it won't come easy

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March 20, 2022, 04:47:21 AM
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Sanctions are definitely the best way to go about tackling the issue on Ukraine with Russia. All these are in a bid to reck Russians economy so as to ensure Putin lacks the needed funds to finance the way but to a large extent, there is an introduction of bias in the way this sanctions are been given.

You can imagine almost every sector being sanctioned and still USA buys gas from Russia! What's that suppose to imply? Or are we to say they don't know what they are doing?

Apparently, USA understands that it's citizens would have to suffer on that part and as such, they turn a blind eye while other nations rush to sanction Russia. War is not always an easy thing and I pray peace to both nations.

Haha, you are right. USA and EU countries say we will go hard on Russia but they are still buying gas from them which is one of the main funding for Russia. Without fully cutting off Russia's funding from exporting commodities this type of sanction won't work. EU has no alternative either that they can import gas from. Syria won't give transit to Qatar to export gas through the pipeline. That means Russia is the only option left no matter what they do.
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March 20, 2022, 07:01:29 AM
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Do you really think Russia and Putin are foolish enough to make similar mistakes? I don't think so. Personally, I don't completely support these sanctions since they are hurting innocent Russian citizens who don't support the war.


There is no such thing right now as innocent russian citizens. Most russian support the war agains Ukraine
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/not-just-putin-most-russians-support-the-war-in-ukraine/

You can also check their own polls here https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2022/02/28/911382-68-rossiyan-podderzhivayut

Those, who seems not being supportive of criminal actions, also guilty, and it is not even about the moral side of the issue.There is a legal term for criminal inaction, which is exactly what most of those who do not seem to support putin are doing. I am grateful to those ones that are protesting and openly declaring the crimes of the russian government and population, but the number of such people is catastrophically small compared to 144 million population.

Moreover, I perceive such indicators as a total failure of the humanitarian, in particular philosophical, sphere in russia. Representatives of the humanitarian sphere are involved in the formation of public opinion. They need to be aware of what they have created. If they don't realize it, it shows their stupidity. If they are aware it shows their crimes against humanity. The people who can be called the most innocent are the small part of the critical population who, it follows, should understand why such sanctions have been imposed on their country. Therefore, they must agree to the need for such a decision, if they are honest with themselves.

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I think souts will only make it difficult for everyone, of course the purpose of sanctions is that Russia immediately stop the war, but whether by giving a tight sanctions, innocent people have to feel pain from the sanctions? I'm sure there are still many solutions and sanctions are bad things and make new problems.
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I think souts will only make it difficult for everyone, of course the purpose of sanctions is that Russia immediately stop the war, but whether by giving a tight sanctions, innocent people have to feel pain from the sanctions? I'm sure there are still many solutions and sanctions are bad things and make new problems.
From your perspective do you think Russian will stop the war with the sanction? See what they need is serious dialogue because from the look of things Russian is trying to protect their territory, so suspending them from one way to the other will not solve the problem between them, they have to fine new resolution to stop this war, many people from different countries is been affected through the fight.
If eventually things are like that, but as we could be seeing, I think the biggest sanction they are causing the Russians is the enormous Xenophobia that is directed towards them, and this is something that will last for many years, I think the sanctions should be for the rulers without affecting the people of the people, but this works in the opposite way, incorrectly, the prohibitions are always for the people and never for the great elites and those who are really to blame for the conflicts, that in this case it is warlike and that it could have consequences because the whole world could be involved, if they are already talking about nuclear weapons it is a worldwide threat.

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March 26, 2022, 04:14:01 PM
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If eventually things are like that, but as we could be seeing, I think the biggest sanction they are causing the Russians is the enormous Xenophobia that is directed towards them, and this is something that will last for many years, I think the sanctions should be for the rulers without affecting the people of the people, but this works in the opposite way, incorrectly, the prohibitions are always for the people and never for the great elites and those who are really to blame for the conflicts, that in this case it is warlike and that it could have consequences because the whole world could be involved, if they are already talking about nuclear weapons it is a worldwide threat.


Yes one way or the other,war always affect the poor people that ordinarily won't wish for war because the consequences will be enormous from restrictions of movement and scarcity of food and medicine that is threat to live. The Ukraine elites for example are still enjoying freedom and free movement like the minister that Biden had meeting in Warsaw. I have not heard that the Ukraine cabinet member or Zelensky's family lost a member, so it is always the poor that suffers during war. Biden has promised to give more support to Ukraine and threatening to come hard on Russia if they introduce nuclear weapon.


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March 26, 2022, 05:42:30 PM
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You do realise that you are actually indirectly supporting the Nazis to some extent, don't you? Hitler and his pathetic Nazi cronies tried to take revenge and got screwed royally in the process.

Do you really think Russia and Putin are foolish enough to make similar mistakes? I don't think so. Personally, I don't completely support these sanctions since they are hurting innocent Russian citizens who don't support the war.

However, I can understand why so many countries are putting pressure on Russia in this manner since they all want the war to end asap through these sanctions.
I think the same, the sanctions are not a perfect solution but they are the best alternative the US has, since the only other option is a direct confrontation with Russia which will mean WW3, which is something no one really wants, in fact the argument from the one that started this thread is in fact an argument in favor of the sanctions, after WW2 Germany was so devastated that it took it decades to recover and an even longer amount of time for the reunification of Germany, so I doubt Putin will take the same path as the Nazi party as he should know what will happen to him if he tries.
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In fact, sanctions are not the right thing to do. Because through this both sides are harmed. Different types of sanctions are imposed in order to put pressure on each other economically and politically in the face of different types of conflicts and as a result, people all over the world suffer. Considering the current situation, it is seen that some countries are raising the prices of essential commodities including oil and gas by imposing various kinds of sanctions to achieve their interests, which is causing extreme suffering to the people of the least developed and developing countries. Therefore, it can be said that sanctions are not the right solution to any problem.

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Not the right thing but the only way to harm Russia and be forced to stop this war without escalating it in a global tension. Innocent Russians are harmed by this, yes, but if this is not done, Russia will just continue what its doing like it's just another Monday for them.

The West can always retaliate with bombs and nukes, but that doesn't really help does it? The world needs Russia for its oil and Russia needs buyers for its product, so why not bleed out Russia's options on where to sell first until they realize that they can't fund this invasion any further?

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It is true that economic sanctions may break the backs of many countries. The country will become poor, maybe try to be self-sufficient, if it can, it will be able to survive, but it will not be able to shout at all. However, these theories may apply to Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea. But what happens when you try to play this kind of game with superpowers?


In my opinion the effects of sanctions on a superpower are even worse than on the smaller nations like Venezuela or North Korea. A superpower is usually strongly connected in international trade an relys on exports for the economic growth. Once many nations join in on the sanctions the trade will collapse and send the currency downwards. The lower currency makes imports more expensive, which will make force down the economy even more. In my opinion sanctions are important and should be applied, but the severity of them is a issue. The harder the sanctions the more the ordinary people are going to suffer. This might make people more radical and not change the desired politics. I would expect if you ask people in North Korea, Iran or Venezuela how they feel about the sanctions and their attitude towards the West, they will probably blame more the foreign countries than their own leaders.  
Not really, the impact of sanctions will depend on each country's response strategy. Venezuela, Iran and North Korea are small countries and they don't have many relationships with other countries, so the impact is quite heavy. But with the case of Russia, I think things will be different because they are a superpower with a large army, abundant natural resources and they have a very good relationship like with China and India.

Sanctions will have an impact on the economy, but they already have the necessary contingency plans in place, so it is difficult to say whether the Russian economy will collapse like Venezuela. In addition to self-reliance I believe that with close relations, China will not abandon Russia.

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March 27, 2022, 07:51:07 AM
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It is true that economic sanctions may break the backs of many countries. The country will become poor, maybe try to be self-sufficient, if it can, it will be able to survive, but it will not be able to shout at all. However, these theories may apply to Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea. But what happens when you try to play this kind of game with superpowers?


In my opinion the effects of sanctions on a superpower are even worse than on the smaller nations like Venezuela or North Korea. A superpower is usually strongly connected in international trade an relys on exports for the economic growth. Once many nations join in on the sanctions the trade will collapse and send the currency downwards. The lower currency makes imports more expensive, which will make force down the economy even more. In my opinion sanctions are important and should be applied, but the severity of them is a issue. The harder the sanctions the more the ordinary people are going to suffer. This might make people more radical and not change the desired politics. I would expect if you ask people in North Korea, Iran or Venezuela how they feel about the sanctions and their attitude towards the West, they will probably blame more the foreign countries than their own leaders.  
Not really, the impact of sanctions will depend on each country's response strategy. Venezuela, Iran and North Korea are small countries and they don't have many relationships with other countries, so the impact is quite heavy. But with the case of Russia, I think things will be different because they are a superpower with a large army, abundant natural resources and they have a very good relationship like with China and India.

Sanctions will have an impact on the economy, but they already have the necessary contingency plans in place, so it is difficult to say whether the Russian economy will collapse like Venezuela. In addition to self-reliance I believe that with close relations, China will not abandon Russia.
I think that the successive sanctions from the US so far have not made Putin's guts shrink. From that consideration, I think Russia already has alternative solutions to overcome various tests from western countries. just like the second world war, i think russia will remain strong as opponent of US in this world. We know that China is a country with an industrial sector that dominates the world, and of course it will not happen like Venezuela

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