PH banned online cockfighting - Worst gambling-related cases recorded!

[electronicash]

it made a lot of people who are not used to gambling online coming to the internet though. many of these sabongeros in the Philipines don't go online before the e-sabong. now that is shut down, do you think they are going to move to online casinos?

the one who facilitates esabong is a popular rich individual that already has a database of people who wagers in sabong. it can be easy for him to lead to another game.

[KTChampions]

I'm surprised how many people in the thread are happy with the fact that they are forbidden something 
Is it masochism? Or the realization that they cannot control their lives on their own, so they give this responsibility to officials? I don't understand this logic. Unfortunately, such moods are now popular in all areas, people are becoming too infantile.

[Smartvirus]

But since the hype of online cockfighting here, there are lots of recorded negative effects of gambling up to this date. Some people sold their houses, cars, gadgets, and even a "kid". There are also cases of missing several people on which today, there's still no good progress and that was all related to these gambling.

This is extreme and isn't like anything I've heard of except, gor cases of addicted gamblers getting to sell there properties and even in a few case, committing suicide. Getting to sell a kid and as far as kidnapping people for whatever reason being gambling related, its a whole different dimension to it. Why would they go that learnt, for ransom and generate funds to gamble with, what the heck! It's absurd!!!

- Do you think that your respective government will do the same even though that gambling is a big contributor to the government's revenue? It's a big sacrifice but no choice since lots of people got wrecked here and there are still unsolved cases of missing people.

- Is it really valid that we should blame the online cockfighting here that's why most people wrecked their lives?

As much as gambling might be contributing to some of the problem, it doenst end with gambling and making it online solved other problems too. If we are to look at this properly, legalisation of this industry and placing it online solved the issue of people getting to gamble independently on the streets and in secretes as these is always associated with much violence. Placing a ban on online gambling is directly going to bring that back.
I think, cases of addiction should be identified and the individuals should be rehabilitated or some therapy program should be made available to them.

Also, people tend to gamble either for fun or look to it to earn money to go through there daily life. This only becomes the case when there is no jobs or available means to some livelihood. Government could look towards that too. It could do a little to minimising the case and the dangers that comes with it.

[uneng]

Lol, the main concerns regards cockfighting is people losing their funds, developing addiction and losing the control over their own lives, while no one gives any importance to the abuses and tortures animals are suffering on this "sport". Even though the government didn't use the correct argument to forbid this practice, at least they did it somehow. Any activities which involve fight and violence between live beings who/which can't answer for themselves should be completely banned.

The government is supporting online cockfighting here because it's a big help to support the economy during and after the peak of the pandemic. According to statistics, the government is receiving around PHP 60,000,000 (around $1,149,700 USD) per month in a form of taxation and revenue.

Probably roman governors and slaves' merchants would justify the same thing if there were an attempt to ban gladiators' fights back then, in the ancient times.

On the other hand, it's a great idea for boosting the local economy right now, since cockfights are going to be forbidden and some extra income is needed for the country. So why not start putting the cockfights' supporters to fight among themselves inside an arena, just like they like watching the cocks fight till death?

it's definitly not going to happen, right? "Everything is funny as long as it is happening to somebody else".

[TheGreatPython]

Do you believe in gambling for fun? It doesn't happen, mate. Those who are saying they are gambling for fun also want to make a profit. Don't believe those who are saying that because in their inner self, they are desiring to win. And that's the start of being addicted.

Congratulations to those who can fight the temptation after a big loss. That's a good personality. However, it's unfortunate that there are others who like to chase losses. Since it's easy and convenient to play this online cockfighting, many people become addicted to it.

It should be stopped if the situation is now really worst and it can't be controlled anymore.

It does really happen. There are people that gambles for fun and one of it is me. I didn't expect to earn a profit but if I do then nice but after that I will stop because I already had fun. Maybe it doesn't happen to you because you always gamble in hopes of earning something. That is not wrong but what is only wrong is if you expect to win at all times because that won't happen but you will only lose and lose more looking for that big win.

This online cockfighting on the Philippines are so popular that even underage people gets involved with it and there are even reports of deaths and players are being kidnapped for the same reason. That's the reason why their president bans it for good.

[Baofeng]

I'm surprised how many people in the thread are happy with the fact that they are forbidden something  
Is it masochism? Or the realization that they cannot control their lives on their own, so they give this responsibility to officials? I don't understand this logic. Unfortunately, such moods are now popular in all areas, people are becoming too infantile.

I think it's more of Filipinos losing their gripe on reality here. I will admit that I play this game during pandemic, but fortunately, I didn't become addicted. But I know a lot of my friends and even family members putting their hard earn money on it and gamble everything. So I would like it to be stop by all means so that those people will not really be addicted and lives be save. And it's only "AA" who are becoming rich, (for sure Filipinos know who I'm talking here), 

[KennyR]

Even in my country we've got cockfights, but that aren't generating such a big money to the government or the respective person who takes care of the cock and lets them fight. Taking cockfights to the online gambling is really big, whereas in my country it is like a contest than gambling. This happens at times of traditional festivals and people just bring the cock and lets them fight. Maybe something like this can be encouraged, but the case mentioned in philippines is very bad. The action took by the President is really appreciable.

[Mahanton]

Even in my country we've got cockfights, but that aren't generating such a big money to the government or the respective person who takes care of the cock and lets them fight. Taking cockfights to the online gambling is really big, whereas in my country it is like a contest than gambling. This happens at times of traditional festivals and people just bring the cock and lets them fight. Maybe something like this can be encouraged, but the case mentioned in philippines is very bad. The action took by the President is really appreciable.

Usually gaming arenas could actually get some tax from it aside into those illegal cockfighting on outside legal premises which would really able not to give any revenue from the government and we know that
there are activities something like this which do happens thats why they've been cracking it out for them to be caught and now that online betting is already possible then they do make out
such bill or action for it to be prohibited completely since they couldnt get benefit in terms of tax and at the same time they are in concern for their citizens possible problem ahead then
having this gesture isnt really that bad after all.

[Yogee]

This online cockfighting is like playing in a live casino right? You just watch it at the comfort of your home and bet more often than you would at an actual casino.

Yes, simple as that. That's why it become a trendy gambling thing here in the Philippines. For as low as $2, they can start placing bets. I also play that game but not that addictive since it's not my comfort zone. But honestly, I already lose big playing online sabong (what we called here).

Regarding the ban, it's just online gambling but the usual and common way of betting directly at the cockpit arena is not prohibited and never it will be as it's already running for long here. However, since most people here found it hard and technical playing directly at the arena, only those who are knowledgeable in that sports are the always people there. Different from online cockfighting where placing bets is easy as 1,2,3 and can be access anywhere right at the comfort of the people.

If it's really that easy to place a bet using fiat and it's that low then it's no surprise that more people got addicted to it. It starts as a leisure and everything is just for fun until they lose a lot of two dollars hehe.

The ban may not stop it completely but it makes it harder for game operators. Funding each match will be tough for bettors too since they can be traced using fiat.

[Oceat]

I guess this online sabong didn't have that kind of personnel who gives warning if you are losing too much. Gambling should not be a problem if someone just play for the sake of fun but if they think they can make money from it then there's something wrong with that person.

Do you believe in gambling for fun? It doesn't happen, mate. Those who are saying they are gambling for fun also want to make a profit. Don't believe those who are saying that because in their inner self, they are desiring to win. And that's the start of being addicted.

Congratulations to those who can fight the temptation after a big loss. That's a good personality. However, it's unfortunate that there are others who like to chase losses. Since it's easy and convenient to play this online cockfighting, many people become addicted to it.

It should be stopped if the situation is now really worst and it can't be controlled anymore.

If that's their mentality then I'm 100% sure they will lose everything in the process or even big and worst getting addicted.

There are games that are meant for fun and there are games that meant for profit making if you know what I mean, but most of them believed that they could make money from gambling almost everyday or everytime they play. That would lead someone to get addicted that's why I suggest there should be someone on that casino that would tell them to refrain from gambling too much since they were losing too much.

[Slow death]

- Do you think that your respective government will do the same even though that gambling is a big contributor to the government's revenue? It's a big sacrifice but no choice since lots of people got wrecked here and there are still unsolved cases of missing people.

We need to look further into this issue, what would happen if more than 50% of people in a country were addicted to games to the point of stealing, killing and selling even their own children in order to continue playing? the country would be sunk in crime that would no longer even be governed, it would be the end of the country. So is it worth it for a government to be making millions a month profit thanks to the tax levied on gambling when the same country is experiencing a large increase in cases of addicted people every day? long term is not something viable

- Is it really valid that we should blame the online cockfighting here that's why most people wrecked their lives?

I don't agree with fight bets, things like people and animal fights I'm against and they should be banned, about your question the answer is clear: if there wasn't this animal fight people wouldn't be losing money on it

For me, it shouldn't be stopped but should be more regulated strictly.

and it could be too late if they didn't banish early. people tend not to control themselves when it comes to dreaming of having a lot of money and games have this ability to easily create illusions in people

[AmoreJaz]

This online cockfighting is like playing in a live casino right? You just watch it at the comfort of your home and bet more often than you would at an actual casino.

Yes, simple as that. That's why it become a trendy gambling thing here in the Philippines. For as low as $2, they can start placing bets. I also play that game but not that addictive since it's not my comfort zone. But honestly, I already lose big playing online sabong (what we called here).

Regarding the ban, it's just online gambling but the usual and common way of betting directly at the cockpit arena is not prohibited and never it will be as it's already running for long here. However, since most people here found it hard and technical playing directly at the arena, only those who are knowledgeable in that sports are the always people there. Different from online cockfighting where placing bets is easy as 1,2,3 and can be access anywhere right at the comfort of the people.

If it's really that easy to place a bet using fiat and it's that low then it's no surprise that more people got addicted to it. It starts as a leisure and everything is just for fun until they lose a lot of two dollars hehe.

The ban may not stop it completely but it makes it harder for game operators. Funding each match will be tough for bettors too since they can be traced using fiat.

i believe what triggered the ban maybe was the news about disappearance of some e-sabong agents. don't know if they resolve this already or they find those people. but anyway, the actual cockfighting is still ongoing so maybe, the hard part for this is the betting part as you need to be there. unlike with online, they can easily bet at the comfort of their home. maybe this move will lessen some of their addiction problems towards this game...

[agustina2]

it made a lot of people who are not used to gambling online coming to the internet though. many of these sabongeros in the Philipines don't go online before the e-sabong. now that is shut down, do you think they are going to move to online casinos?

I think, no. Because if these people are really interested in online casinos, they should have done it as there are lots of online casinos already even before the e-sabong. There are even online bingo, color game but none of those got the mass attention of the public. These people who are not into gambling are not really interested in casino games as they don't want to try their luck in those programmed casinos.

Different in sabong that bets are very simple, with no technicalities involved while at the same time, it's a good traditional past time in the country before.

[South Park]

- Do you think that your respective government will do the same even though that gambling is a big contributor to the government's revenue? It's a big sacrifice but no choice since lots of people got wrecked here and there are still unsolved cases of missing people.

- Is it really valid that we should blame the online cockfighting here that's why most people wrecked their lives?

For me, it shouldn't be stopped but should be more regulated strictly. I know there's a thing that can balance this but I don't know the specific term of it. Because of these irresponsible gamblers, the government's revenue got affected which should be a big help now that our country is just slowly rising after years of dealing with the pandemic.

I really think that cockfighting should be banned completely instead of being regulated, the reason for this is simple, in the case of a sport like boxing even if the nature of the sport is violent people are deciding on their own to participate on those fights, however when it comes to ther animals they do not really get a choice and they have to fight, at least to me this is simply unacceptable, however when it comes to pointing at the responsible for losing their money people need to take a look on the mirror and they will see the ones that are directly responsible for losing their wealth, so they should not blame external factors when they are the ones at fault.

[Maslate]

- Do you think that your respective government will do the same even though that gambling is a big contributor to the government's revenue? It's a big sacrifice but no choice since lots of people got wrecked here and there are still unsolved cases of missing people.

- Is it really valid that we should blame the online cockfighting here that's why most people wrecked their lives?

For me, it shouldn't be stopped but should be more regulated strictly. I know there's a thing that can balance this but I don't know the specific term of it. Because of these irresponsible gamblers, the government's revenue got affected which should be a big help now that our country is just slowly rising after years of dealing with the pandemic.

I really think that cockfighting should be banned completely instead of being regulated, the reason for this is simple, in the case of a sport like boxing even if the nature of the sport is violent people are deciding on their own to participate on those fights, however when it comes to ther animals they do not really get a choice and they have to fight, at least to me this is simply unacceptable, however when it comes to pointing at the responsible for losing their money people need to take a look on the mirror and they will see the ones that are directly responsible for losing their wealth, so they should not blame external factors when they are the ones at fault.

Well, online cockfighting is regulated in the Philippines, they have the rules to follow and they paid the right taxes. However, the government realized that in the long run, it will only cause trouble to the people, that's why they evaluated it and come up with the decision to ban it.

It's not easy to make that decision since the government are making millions of pesos from taxes collected, but value the life of the people that are affected in this business because gambling addiction is a serious problem.

[Findingnemo]

Even in my country we've got cockfights, but that aren't generating such a big money to the government or the respective person who takes care of the cock and lets them fight. Taking cockfights to the online gambling is really big, whereas in my country it is like a contest than gambling. This happens at times of traditional festivals and people just bring the cock and lets them fight. Maybe something like this can be encouraged, but the case mentioned in philippines is very bad. The action took by the President is really appreciable.

On the other side what government did to save the people who are going to face the revenue loss who are involved in this profession, government simply ban and didn't consider the circumstances of people? Banning something suddenly will encourage black market for sure and revenue loss and unorganised activities will takes place.

[ipanks]

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People who are involved in this profession should be provided with solutions to be able to earn income so that, even if the government shuts down or prohibits gambling, people can actually earn their living. Who knows after that, they can stay away from gambling because the government gives them the awareness that playing gambling will only make them lose money.

[rhomelmabini]

- Do hink that your respective government will do the same even though that gambling is a big contributor to the government's revenue? It's a big sacrifice but no choice since lots of people got wrecked here and there are still unsolved cases of missing people.

- Is it really valid that we should blame the online cockfighting here that's why most people wrecked their lives?

For me, it shouldn't be stopped but should be more regulated strictly. I know there's a thing that can balance this but I don't know the specific term of it. Because of these irresponsible gamblers, the government's revenue got affected which should be a big help now that our country is just slowly rising after years of dealing with the pandemic.

If the President do care for his people then he'd do the best possible course of action to stop it. There are other source where the government can get taxes from and I think it won't rely heavily on one source.

Well, you could blame it on the gambling too considering it has effects to other people's live. You can blame it on the gambling but on the other hand you can blame it on the individual too.

[Oasisman]

I'm surprised how many people in the thread are happy with the fact that they are forbidden something 
Is it masochism? Or the realization that they cannot control their lives on their own, so they give this responsibility to officials? I don't understand this logic. Unfortunately, such moods are now popular in all areas, people are becoming too infantile.

Lol I literally laughed at the "masochism".
That second statement, sometimes are true. I know it's ridiculous but that's how it is. Have you heard about the PH president's war on drugs? A lot of people have actually changed and some people I knew who's been into drugs before pres Duterte's term, was even thankful and happy they've got rid of the horror of drug addiction.
 That's actually the same thing on what's happening on this issue on online cockfighting in the country. Though I am not one of those who got addicted with this kind of gambling coz I personally not into Roosters lol I'm more into sports.

Also, I have a brother in law who's on the verge of marital separation because of this platform.

[Wiwo]

This online cockfighting gives access to everyone to gamble especially those who are on the lower income range, since they are the real target here and seriously even a minor can have a bet on this one and its really addicting. Though there’s no final resolution yet with regards to this one but hopefully the government will start to regulate this, and banned online cockfighting as much as possible. This has been the reason why many are broke today, this should be stopped.

Aside from the addiction and underage gambling animal fighting is an unethical and wicked act towards animals as there are always uncontrolled and easily go wide on each other which in most cases is against the animal's rights act if the government banned physical cockfighting am sure it would be long before online casinos that feature animals fight will get the same banned also if they are operating within that same region.