PH banned online cockfighting - Worst gambling-related cases recorded!

[Findingnemo]

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People who are involved in this profession should be provided with solutions to be able to earn income so that, even if the government shuts down or prohibits gambling, people can actually earn their living. Who knows after that, they can stay away from gambling because the government gives them the awareness that playing gambling will only make them lose money.

Not talking about the gamblers who may survive by not spending the money but can find other ways to spend it but what about the people who grow and breed such cocks and all the things related to cock fight will stranded with no other way of income because PH is not definitely a country where everyone saved lot of money in their bank account so they can survive for next 3 to 6 month without salary.

[Finestream]

I don't see animal cruelty here because in the first place, these fighting cocks are treated well. It's hard to breed fighting cocks for a purpose on that. Breeders are spending lots of money here and in the end, they will just show cruelty on their own fighting cocks lol.

This is not something about animal cruelty but the effect on the people is now getting serious. These people may be new to gambling that's why they don't know how to face their losses and instead, they will chase it.

It's good that for now, it was suspended. It will give time to those addicted bettors to find themselves even if it will take time.

If we consider cockfighting as animal cruelty, then i guess all gambling activities that involve animals like dogs and horses might be banned too in the future. But i honestly don't see it as one.  Its just that with the emergence of online sabong, addiction has risen up and different cases have been reported that until now have not been resolved. So its best to suspend it for a while, and let those gamblers find other means to amuse theirselves. Once its back, the government should tighten the policies about online cockfighting so that people would put limit on it.

[mia_houston]

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People who are involved in this profession should be provided with solutions to be able to earn income so that, even if the government shuts down or prohibits gambling, people can actually earn their living. Who knows after that, they can stay away from gambling because the government gives them the awareness that playing gambling will only make them lose money.

What PH has done is actually correct by banning cock-fighting gambling in order to limit the addiction of its citizens, even though the Philippine government gets quite a large tax from gambling but this is not comparable to the losses they have received so far, namely increasing poverty due to gambling, I agree with what do you say, if the president had to understand better to find the right solution to stop people addiction to gambling, because so far the majority of gamblers have argued that gambling is one way to get money easily and the lack of available job vacancies has triggered many people to make gambling as an alternative to earn income.

[bittraffic]

I'm surprised how many people in the thread are happy with the fact that they are forbidden something 
Is it masochism? Or the realization that they cannot control their lives on their own, so they give this responsibility to officials? I don't understand this logic. Unfortunately, such moods are now popular in all areas, people are becoming too infantile.

Lol I literally laughed at the "masochism".
That second statement, sometimes are true. I know it's ridiculous but that's how it is. Have you heard about the PH president's war on drugs? A lot of people have actually changed and some people I knew who's been into drugs before pres Duterte's term, was even thankful and happy they've got rid of the horror of drug addiction.
 That's actually the same thing on what's happening on this issue on online cockfighting in the country. Though I am not one of those who got addicted with this kind of gambling coz I personally not into Roosters lol I'm more into sports.

Also, I have a brother in law who's on the verge of marital separation because of this platform.

The drug war made him very famous around the world. Its all over the western media years ago. When people have trust and respect I think  they are up to listen and obey. Because the online cockfighting has license from the government, I think the government can provide assistance to addicted individuals with the help of the cockfighting business owner.

Marital separation though needs counseling. Sounds worse. He didn't give his profit to the wife when he wins and ask capital from the wife if he loses.  

[arwin100]

Good decision made by PH government because it really create huge disastrous effect to the life of the gamblers as well with their families.

Also their past issues regarding on those missing gamblers is also one key major factor why they need to stop this. Hopefully they totally ban this because the accessibility of this platform what make people put at risk because many are now addicted on this E-sabong.

They have no choice but to ban e- sabong or news of people losing properties and lives will continue to hunt the Duterte administration, the revenue is huge to sustain the recovery program but Duterte chooses values over profit and that's a good decision, but Duterte's term will end, if the new president needs funding and his advisers offer huge revenues from e-sabong, there's a possibility that it will be reopened, so we'll wait next year when a new President steps in.

They always have a choice but PH government always see the huge taxes what E-sabong can bring that's why even if there's an issue like this before they decide to continue this and the owner able to collect more money to their bettors. And since government already see how huge the damage it cause to its citizens and many life destroyed by this E-sabong now they put a decision to stop this and I can say this is good implementation they made towards this long time burden of people who's family is engage with this bad habits.

There's a huge money lose by government for stopping this but for sure we can see the benefits as many people are now away for being addicted of this cock fighthing game.

For sure they have been rethinking about the possible benefits that they could get from this in speaking with taxes or revenue but still they do consider out the status of their citizens which are really that addicted

to this online betting which could really destroy up some lives if not really that controlled properly.So they do came up into a solution on stopping it completely, yes its a waste of revenue but

they do mind about their citizens condition for them to be avoided on too much addiction.

The government surely considering that as they need more funds to combat this current pandemic happen in the world and the taxes they get from E-Sabong somehow helps. But the counter effect of it is many lives has been destroy due to uncontrolled manner upon gambling, since statistics already show about how bad the effect of it maybe this one trigger out the government to decide stopping its operation.

[joeperry]

I don't think they can blame it to gambling especially it is the player's behavior that ruin their lives, going back to the main topic. The cockfighting in the Philippines was banned not because of the people that has a problem with gambling addiction (Not sure but probably part of it) but I think the main reason is because of the investigations of who's behind of the missing cockfighting players in the Philippines.

[Fortify]

PH President Rodrigo Duterte has approved the recommendation of the Department of the Interior and Local Government (DILG) to stop e-sabong or online cockfighting operations.

Online E-Sabong (cockfighting) is a legit and regulated gambling industry here in the Philippines. So much hype that many people got hooked on it even those who are not really into that gambling since betting here is so easy and different from the actual betting in the live arena.

The government is supporting online cockfighting here because it's a big help to support the economy during and after the peak of the pandemic. According to statistics, the government is receiving around PHP 60,000,000 (around $1,149,700 USD) per month in a form of taxation and revenue.

But since the hype of online cockfighting here, there are lots of recorded negative effects of gambling up to this date. Some people sold their houses, cars, gadgets, and even a "kid". There are also cases of missing several people on which today, there's still no good progress and that was all related to these gambling.

This was all brought up to the President and even though he was supporting the online cockfighting industry here, he ask his constituents to conduct a survey on the effect of this on all people. The result is WORST that's why ASAP, the President ban right away the online cockfighting and disregard the revenue the government is getting.

Let's discuss: (applies to all gambling-type)

- Do you think that your respective government will do the same even though that gambling is a big contributor to the government's revenue? It's a big sacrifice but no choice since lots of people got wrecked here and there are still unsolved cases of missing people.

- Is it really valid that we should blame the online cockfighting here that's why most people wrecked their lives?

For me, it shouldn't be stopped but should be more regulated strictly. I know there's a thing that can balance this but I don't know the specific term of it. Because of these irresponsible gamblers, the government's revenue got affected which should be a big help now that our country is just slowly rising after years of dealing with the pandemic.

It depends how you were brought up and what your society feels acceptable, but any sort of blood sport involving animals makes me think of a rather barbaric culture. How anyone can get any sort of joy or entertainment out of watching scared animals trying to win a fight to the death is abhorrent. It's one thing if two boxers, who have a choice, want to step in a ring and fight it out (to a certain point) but these animals are given no choice. In fact you could say the winner will only suffer even longer because they will get injured and have to kill more opponents. It's sadistic and unfortunately the Philippine government doesn't ban it outright and from the sounds of it they are making a pittance from taxing it anyway.

[Distinctin]

I don't think they can blame it to gambling especially it is the player's behavior that ruin their lives, going back to the main topic. The cockfighting in the Philippines was banned not because of the people that has a problem with gambling addiction (Not sure but probably part of it) but I think the main reason is because of the investigations of who's behind of the missing cockfighting players in the Philippines.

If that is the main reason then it will probably concern only the families of the missing person, it's not the majority concern as the investigation is still ongoing. Besides, online gambling has nothing to do with that, as long as you stay at home and gamble, you are safe as a gambler.

That should not be the main reason, I doubt that, it's the overall impact of the gamblers IMO.

[Fredomago]

I don't think they can blame it to gambling especially it is the player's behavior that ruin their lives, going back to the main topic. The cockfighting in the Philippines was banned not because of the people that has a problem with gambling addiction (Not sure but probably part of it) but I think the main reason is because of the investigations of who's behind of the missing cockfighting players in the Philippines.

If that is the main reason then it will probably concern only the families of the missing person, it's not the majority concern as the investigation is still ongoing. Besides, online gambling has nothing to do with that, as long as you stay at home and gamble, you are safe as a gambler.

That should not be the main reason, I doubt that, it's the overall impact of the gamblers IMO.

It's triggered the president's decisions, that missing people who allegedly missing and the cops that are suspected to be part of these crimes, plus the numbers of ruined families because of gamblers so much addictions to these gambling activities. Reasons that compound and weight the president to decide in stopping these activities from his jurisdictions.

Still ongoing investigation while E-Sabong was already stopped. Hope not to cover or not to leave those families who are still crying for justice.

Missing people still in unknown status, it's best to continue the investigation and bring justice to the people behind.

[qwertyup23]

Let's discuss: (applies to all gambling-type)

- Do you think that your respective government will do the same even though that gambling is a big contributor to the government's revenue? It's a big sacrifice but no choice since lots of people got wrecked here and there are still unsolved cases of missing people.

I think that there has to be some sort of compromise in balancing the two (2) acts. Though gambling has brought tremendous amounts of revenue in a country, it has to balance the interest of minors and the welfare of the people in avoiding to get addicted. As long as the government can somehow address this issue, then I think these gambling establishments can remain.

- Is it really valid that we should blame the online cockfighting here that's why most people wrecked their lives?

Let me ask you a question, is it valid that we should blame guns for the violence caused by the people? Is it also valid that we blame McDonalds for the increase rate of obesity globally? Though the responsibility falls under the person gambling industry must also take some precautions in avoiding gambling addiction to their players.

[TheGreatPython]

Online cockfighting which seems new to me and I don't know people will get the same experience of real world online cockfighting. But banning because people are addicted is good move or else they can bring more restrictions so the addiction can be reduced but banning it is okay for me because its totally not fair to treat the animals in that way for our business.

You can ask yourself the same thing if online casinos games offer the same experience as offline casino games do and by that you will know the answer but unlike to many casino games, this online cockfighting is not played by you but it can be the same as sports betting where you only watch the match live or in the case of e-cockfighting you're watching two chickens fight for their lives. Obviously if who dies or gets injured, he will lose and if you bet on that chicken you will also lose your money.

Online cockfighting can be the same as any other gambling games, they shouldn't ban it as long as it has a permit or license to operate but they only ban those who are illegal.

[serjent05]

Let's discuss: (applies to all gambling-type)

- Do you think that your respective government will do the same even though that gambling is a big contributor to the government's revenue? It's a big sacrifice but no choice since lots of people got wrecked here and there are still unsolved cases of missing people.

Well, the Philippines had banned online cockfighting, and I think other governments will.

- Is it really valid that we should blame the online cockfighting here that's why most people wrecked their lives?

Yes, it is the root of all the problems so it is better to weed it out.

For me, it shouldn't be stopped but should be more regulated strictly. I know there's a thing that can balance this but I don't know the specific term of it.

In what way would you regulate this kind of stuff?  Do you think what you propose is effective?

Because of these irresponsible gamblers, the government's revenue got affected which should be a big help now that our country is just slowly rising after years of dealing with the pandemic.

Indeed they are very irresponsible and even tight regulation won't stop them to play.  So better take out the source of the problem.  and it may be a big help but that is not the only source of the government income.   If the government let it be, there is far more serious consequence lie ahead so government take action and forbid the online cockfighting.

[Doell]

Each government will apply the same thing if the people who are victims, the sale of children and even missing people are caused by an actual problem by irresponsible gamblers. However, the case is already rife, not even just a few people but involving many people. I think the government should stop this activity even though it is the biggest contributor as quoted.

[Renampun]

Even in my country we've got cockfights, but that aren't generating such a big money to the government or the respective person who takes care of the cock and lets them fight. Taking cockfights to the online gambling is really big, whereas in my country it is like a contest than gambling. This happens at times of traditional festivals and people just bring the cock and lets them fight. Maybe something like this can be encouraged, but the case mentioned in philippines is very bad. The action took by the President is really appreciable.

in my country cockfighting is also called a contest (not gambling) and it's really funny IMO...

my father-in-law once had a fighting cock and he diligently took care of the cock until it became invincible, when I asked what the cock was for, he said to enter the fighting cock contest, even though when I came there I saw a lot of people making bets for the cock who fought there, how sad indeed. I agree with what the president of the Philippines did, he took firm steps to stop cockfighting gamblers.

[coolcoinz]

Is dog fighting allowed in the PH? The answer is no. Why is cock fighting allowed then? Let's be consistent here! According to these people some animals can fight and some are banned because it's too unethical when the animal is bigger? I'm usually against any bans by government, but in this case some rules should be established. Animal cruelty should always be outlawed.
Makes me wonder why they'd ban online gambling, blaming addiction, but allow on site gambling. Again no consistency. It's like the government is afraid to displease people, but at the same time trying to protect them. You can't have a cake and eat it.

[magneto]

Anything involving animals will have its own ethical concerns.

I think though that in general, it is incredibly inefficient to try to outlaw any sort of gambling activity because you know for a fact that people are going to just be back at it in a different form.

As you said, the government may as well take advantage of the revenue that they can bring in and regulate instead of restrict access altogether.

[milewilda]

Is dog fighting allowed in the PH? The answer is no. Why is cock fighting allowed then? Let's be consistent here! According to these people some animals can fight and some are banned because it's too unethical when the animal is bigger? I'm usually against any bans by government, but in this case some rules should be established. Animal cruelty should always be outlawed.
Makes me wonder why they'd ban online gambling, blaming addiction, but allow on site gambling. Again no consistency. It's like the government is afraid to displease people, but at the same time trying to protect them. You can't have a cake and eat it.

For sure government do really still have that kind of confusion whenever they do tend to make some bill or laws in regarding with these gambling activities but much sure that they would really be saving up
on something that could really benefit them and next priority is on protecting their citizens.If they do saw that the situation could still be handled out then they would'nt really make any
action against it but on the time that there are lots who had been affected then it would really be just common sense for them to make out some changes.
Doesnt matter if the animal involved is small or big because it would be mattering on different criterias or factors on the time that they do make out decisions.

[KTChampions]

I'm surprised how many people in the thread are happy with the fact that they are forbidden something 
Is it masochism? Or the realization that they cannot control their lives on their own, so they give this responsibility to officials? I don't understand this logic. Unfortunately, such moods are now popular in all areas, people are becoming too infantile.

Lol I literally laughed at the "masochism".
That second statement, sometimes are true. I know it's ridiculous but that's how it is. Have you heard about the PH president's war on drugs? A lot of people have actually changed and some people I knew who's been into drugs before pres Duterte's term, was even thankful and happy they've got rid of the horror of drug addiction.
 That's actually the same thing on what's happening on this issue on online cockfighting in the country. Though I am not one of those who got addicted with this kind of gambling coz I personally not into Roosters lol I'm more into sports.

Also, I have a brother in law who's on the verge of marital separation because of this platform.

But to me it's really funny. I do not understand the logic of people who are glad that they are forbidden something. I understand this logic if a person is addicted, but I talk about those who are free from it (and this applies to drugs too). If you are addicted, then ask for limits for yourself. But why are you trying to spread them to everyone? For example, I don't have a problem with gambling, but someone wants to ban me from it (because he has an addiction?). I do not like it.

[aioc]

I don't think they can blame it to gambling especially it is the player's behavior that ruin their lives, going back to the main topic. The cockfighting in the Philippines was banned not because of the people that has a problem with gambling addiction (Not sure but probably part of it) but I think the main reason is because of the investigations of who's behind of the missing cockfighting players in the Philippines.

That triggers it, it even becomes a hot topic in the senate its hard to ignore when so many go missing and so many people are still going missing because of e-sabong you just can't ignore it, it will ruin the justice system in the Philippines and authorities should do something about, there was hesitation on the part of the President because it bringing it much-needed cash because of the pandemic, but as he says in his own words the country is losing their moral values because of this.

[goaldigger]

I don't think they can blame it to gambling especially it is the player's behavior that ruin their lives, going back to the main topic. The cockfighting in the Philippines was banned not because of the people that has a problem with gambling addiction (Not sure but probably part of it) but I think the main reason is because of the investigations of who's behind of the missing cockfighting players in the Philippines.

Overall, the decision was based on the situation of the cockfighting bettor, that’s the main concern here even if the government will lose a lot of money here, they are still concern about the people. President Duterte should have a final paper for this, telling the agencies to fully implement the ban because for sure, illegal site will still operate and it might continue doing the business which can still result to a bad situation for addicted gambler.