PH banned online cockfighting - Worst gambling-related cases recorded!

[ultrloa]

It would seem that cockfighting is really just a big thing in the Philippines these days (though I’m assuming there are other western nations also allowing for this to be going on). Those of you who live in the Philippines here, why not try and fighting back? Start protesting, educating fellow countrymen on this sickening and barbaric torture these animals are being put through? I can’t believe whether this gambling “game” is still even being considered by anyone.

Again, as always, if you support this..FUCK YOU!

When there's no pandemic we can only see this kind of event on weekdays or even if there's a festivities in town, but when pandemic hit badly Philippines many people has find this E sabong as one means of entertainment and other think about making this as platform where they can earn money. Some really earn with because they became an agent where they invite people to gamble on that platform.

If we look at it deeply this is really a animal cruelty because there are animals get hurt but this somehow part of the culture in that country so I think the decision of government to stop that what makes the cruelty and abusive acts lessen.

[Boristhecat]

It would seem that cockfighting is really just a big thing in the Philippines these days (though I’m assuming there are other western nations also allowing for this to be going on). Those of you who live in the Philippines here, why not try and fighting back? Start protesting, educating fellow countrymen on this sickening and barbaric torture these animals are being put through? I can’t believe whether this gambling “game” is still even being considered by anyone.

Again, as always, if you support this..FUCK YOU!

Wow. This sounds pretty rough. I agree that there are quite a lot of rudimentary barbarian customs in any society, but this is part of our culture and history. Tell me, only cockfights infuriate you, or any bad attitude towards animals in general - I mean that people eat them and, accordingly, they kill them before they eat them. Are you a vegetarian?

[d3nz]

Filipino farmers face big losses if these bans are enforced.

The difference between farmers and breeders is huge. If you know what I mean.

Many people think that cockfighting will be banned in PH but it's a misunderstanding. It will still be operated and held on cockpits. I think this kind of gambling cannot be stopped since the government is earning from them and even though the life of many roosters "Fighter fowl" are being used for entertainment which caused deaths.

The good thing is that they banned the online e-sabong since many people are getting killed due to their debts.

[boris singer]

Yep even though this is indeed quite normal in gambling and indeed many people think this will not have much impact because there is still a lot of exploitation and hunting of animals on a large scale but still this is a good step because it is not very ethical to see chickens this is in a race without any advantage for them, not even a few have to die because of this sabong fight which makes the government inevitably take risks But I support this and I think their actions are quite appropriate

They are only banning those platforms/sites which do operate on illegal manner or simply dont pay tax nor being regulated and they arent banning cockfighting specially on legal places or venues which government could

able to snip out some taxes or revenue.Therefore, this doesnt talk about banning cockfighting itself but only into those illegal related betting sites but pretty much sure this isnt something simple that they could
get rid off with since creating something new and online bettors would surely be finding ways for these places.

Thanks for straightening out my friend.
in this case maybe what you say is true but on the other hand it is quite difficult to prohibit something like this considering that in this case there will also be many ways as you say. we have experienced many things like this but indeed there are always many ways to break through this kind of thing. if something like that maybe this will only have a slight impact on the hard work of the government which prohibits it in my opinion because indeed this will only be a tickle and without any significant effect in my opinion

[Distinctin]

I had no idea that online cockfighting was a thing, but it makes sense.  I'm sure as technologies like cryptocurrency become more widespread and more people become comfortable setting up platforms on the onion routing network, things like this will become more common.  It seems like only a matter of time before some sort of darknet gameshow like something out of a horror film becomes a reality.  I'm sure such a thing probably already exists, but certainly isn't mainstream...yet.

Yes, online cockfighting was indeed a thing and still remains a thing because there are some still some operators who are operating these things even if the president of the Philippines himself authored the ban of E-Sabong (online cockfighting). I admit, pursuing these operators of the site will not be an easy task to do but it needs to be done and it has to end before someone's family could be destroyed.

As technologies are upgrading, there will be a time that online cockfighting will be available again but it's not for everyone as the management would be more cautious.

[Fortify]

It would seem that cockfighting is really just a big thing in the Philippines these days (though I’m assuming there are other western nations also allowing for this to be going on). Those of you who live in the Philippines here, why not try and fighting back? Start protesting, educating fellow countrymen on this sickening and barbaric torture these animals are being put through? I can’t believe whether this gambling “game” is still even being considered by anyone.

Again, as always, if you support this..FUCK YOU!

This is the only decent stance you can take towards any sport that involves harm to animals and making two animals fight against each other to the death is especially sadistic. It is so brutal and barbaric that it echos throughout society at large, most civilized societies have outlawed similar blood sports many centuries ago. How anyone could take pleasure or entertainment from seeing animals in such fear is rather sick in the head. You can tell this case is simply about the fact that the Philippine government cannot control the revenue flow from online games that they have banned it, but they still allow in-country fights because they don't care about the animal welfare side one bit.

[Mahanton]

It would seem that cockfighting is really just a big thing in the Philippines these days (though I’m assuming there are other western nations also allowing for this to be going on). Those of you who live in the Philippines here, why not try and fighting back? Start protesting, educating fellow countrymen on this sickening and barbaric torture these animals are being put through? I can’t believe whether this gambling “game” is still even being considered by anyone.

Again, as always, if you support this..FUCK YOU!

This is the only decent stance you can take towards any sport that involves harm to animals and making two animals fight against each other to the death is especially sadistic. It is so brutal and barbaric that it echos throughout society at large, most civilized societies have outlawed similar blood sports many centuries ago. How anyone could take pleasure or entertainment from seeing animals in such fear is rather sick in the head. You can tell this case is simply about the fact that the Philippine government cannot control the revenue flow from online games that they have banned it, but they still allow in-country fights because they don't care about the animal welfare side one bit.

Nope. they arent banning cockfighting but only banning or blocking into those illegal online betting sites or platforms because it could really be having two
possible reasons.

1. They cant able to tax
2. They are minding about their citizens too much addiction.

This is a good government stance towards the situation but dont expect about 100% precision or totally solving out such problem.

[agustina2]

It would seem that cockfighting is really just a big thing in the Philippines these days (though I’m assuming there are other western nations also allowing for this to be going on). Those of you who live in the Philippines here, why not try and fighting back? Start protesting, educating fellow countrymen on this sickening and barbaric torture these animals are being put through? I can’t believe whether this gambling “game” is still even being considered by anyone.

Again, as always, if you support this..FUCK YOU!

If you don't live in the Philippines, stay out of the way and keep the discussion professional. No offense but you are not in the right place to give a shit about the culture here for ages. It's clear that you are crossing the lines here. I'm sure there's a tradition too in your country that might not look comfortable in other countries.

We care for the animals here in general. We are even one of the countries that are recognized as the most pet lovers in the whole world.

If you don't want cockfighting, don't ask the PH community to start protesting. Instead, what you need to do is to start protesting in your country or nearby to stop this cockfighting. That's a big start.

#respect

[Bttzed03]

So it appears there are still a handful of active websites taking in bets for e-sabong and operators are also accepting bitcoin to evade authorities.

This is their recruitment avenue to attract bettors. Once these bettors will communicate with the administrators of the Facebook page, then the admins will give a link to them to download.

^ After downloading and depositing Php100 registration fee, they can start betting with cryptocurrencies. Withdrawal would be easy but converting them to fiat would be harder because third party exchanges in the Philippines are highly regulated. I just don't know if these bettors use Binance and other unregistered CEX/Custodial services.

[Beparanf]

So it appears there are still a handful of active websites taking in bets for e-sabong and operators are also accepting bitcoin to evade authorities.

This is their recruitment avenue to attract bettors. Once these bettors will communicate with the administrators of the Facebook page, then the admins will give a link to them to download.

^ After downloading and depositing Php100 registration fee, they can start betting with cryptocurrencies. Withdrawal would be easy but converting them to fiat would be harder because third party exchanges in the Philippines are highly regulated. I just don't know if these bettors use Binance and other unregistered CEX/Custodial services.

Despite this some isolated cases of illegal gambling. I'm sure that the e-sabong activities will slowly die due to this much hassle process and I doubt that regular e-sabong bettors will manage to undergo on this hassle payment method while there's already live sabong games IRL. Honestly I don't see much difference banning this game while the physical game is still allowed. People that playing online will just go to coliseum and be live and the problem on gambling is still the same. The only difference was they can't bet anytime they want but still they can gamble on same activity and probably on much larger bet due to time constraint.

[ethereumhunter]

^ After downloading and depositing Php100 registration fee, they can start betting with cryptocurrencies. Withdrawal would be easy but converting them to fiat would be harder because third party exchanges in the Philippines are highly regulated. I just don't know if these bettors use Binance and other unregistered CEX/Custodial services.

Maybe those bettors are using Binance and CEX and DEX services and they can choose what they want. Suppose the regulators get stricter with their regulations. In that case, there is a possibility that DEX will grow in the Philippines as the exchange will become increasingly crowded with bettors looking to convert their money to crypto and vice versa. This will also trigger an increase in local sellers which will help bettors.

[Shamm]

It would seem that cockfighting is really just a big thing in the Philippines these days (though I’m assuming there are other western nations also allowing for this to be going on). Those of you who live in the Philippines here, why not try and fighting back? Start protesting, educating fellow countrymen on this sickening and barbaric torture these animals are being put through? I can’t believe whether this gambling “game” is still even being considered by anyone.

Again, as always, if you support this..FUCK YOU!

This is the only decent stance you can take towards any sport that involves harm to animals and making two animals fight against each other to the death is especially sadistic. It is so brutal and barbaric that it echos throughout society at large, most civilized societies have outlawed similar blood sports many centuries ago. How anyone could take pleasure or entertainment from seeing animals in such fear is rather sick in the head. You can tell this case is simply about the fact that the Philippine government cannot control the revenue flow from online games that they have banned it, but they still allow in-country fights because they don't care about the animal welfare side one bit.

Nope. they arent banning cockfighting but only banning or blocking into those illegal online betting sites or platforms because it could really be having two
possible reasons.

1. They cant able to tax
2. They are minding about their citizens too much addiction.

This is a good government stance towards the situation but dont expect about 100% precision or totally solving out such problem.

Cock fighting is a big thing here in the Philippines because this is the only gambling platform that people can play whenever they want to play.   And cock fighting is the most or famous gambling fight during festival in different barangay or even in town. The government can not have a tax if this illegal gambling will continue and that's the reason why the government pushing to banned this kind of game in the country,.

[Taskford]

It would seem that cockfighting is really just a big thing in the Philippines these days (though I’m assuming there are other western nations also allowing for this to be going on). Those of you who live in the Philippines here, why not try and fighting back? Start protesting, educating fellow countrymen on this sickening and barbaric torture these animals are being put through? I can’t believe whether this gambling “game” is still even being considered by anyone.

Again, as always, if you support this..FUCK YOU!

This is the only decent stance you can take towards any sport that involves harm to animals and making two animals fight against each other to the death is especially sadistic. It is so brutal and barbaric that it echos throughout society at large, most civilized societies have outlawed similar blood sports many centuries ago. How anyone could take pleasure or entertainment from seeing animals in such fear is rather sick in the head. You can tell this case is simply about the fact that the Philippine government cannot control the revenue flow from online games that they have banned it, but they still allow in-country fights because they don't care about the animal welfare side one bit.

Nope. they arent banning cockfighting but only banning or blocking into those illegal online betting sites or platforms because it could really be having two
possible reasons.

1. They cant able to tax
2. They are minding about their citizens too much addiction.

This is a good government stance towards the situation but dont expect about 100% precision or totally solving out such problem.

Cock fighting is a big thing here in the Philippines because this is the only gambling platform that people can play whenever they want to play.   And cock fighting is the most or famous gambling fight during festival in different barangay or even in town. The government can not have a tax if this illegal gambling will continue and that's the reason why the government pushing to banned this kind of game in the country,.

This is old tradition which been past decades to decades so its really hard for government to stop this since there are so many people gamble this illegally. And this sabong just brought online by a billionaire tycoon in Philippines and try to legalize it, first government look at it as other source of income since economy has been crumpled by covid-19 but since there are studies that this brought negative things to certain individuals then they stop this and this is we can say a good action they take because if they let it operate for much longer years and ignore the risk already shown for sure there will be more lives will be destroyed.

[Distinctin]

So it appears there are still a handful of active websites taking in bets for e-sabong and operators are also accepting bitcoin to evade authorities.

This is their recruitment avenue to attract bettors. Once these bettors will communicate with the administrators of the Facebook page, then the admins will give a link to them to download.

^ After downloading and depositing Php100 registration fee, they can start betting with cryptocurrencies. Withdrawal would be easy but converting them to fiat would be harder because third party exchanges in the Philippines are highly regulated. I just don't know if these bettors use Binance and other unregistered CEX/Custodial services.

Despite this some isolated cases of illegal gambling. I'm sure that the e-sabong activities will slowly die due to this much hassle process and I doubt that regular e-sabong bettors will manage to undergo on this hassle payment method while there's already live sabong games IRL. Honestly I don't see much difference banning this game while the physical game is still allowed. People that playing online will just go to coliseum and be live and the problem on gambling is still the same. The only difference was they can't bet anytime they want but still they can gamble on same activity and probably on much larger bet due to time constraint.

We cannot for sure if these activities will die slowly in the process because if the people still have some access online and still operate the E-Sabong using some crypto to evade the government then eventually they can find a way that is less hassle to the gambler to convert those cryptocurrencies into fiats. It would take time but seeing that they are continuing it then it will grow for sure and attract more gamblers.

[agustina2]

So it appears there are still a handful of active websites taking in bets for e-sabong and operators are also accepting bitcoin to evade authorities.

^ After downloading and depositing Php100 registration fee, they can start betting with cryptocurrencies. Withdrawal would be easy but converting them to fiat would be harder because third party exchanges in the Philippines are highly regulated. I just don't know if these bettors use Binance and other unregistered CEX/Custodial services.

In the long run, that would not be sustainable. Most people who are an enthusiast of online sabong wants a convenient way and it seems only a few will patronize that method. The convenience they experienced during the hype of online sabong can't be compared to what methods are left now.

And since that's illegal for now, I doubt more players will still get themselves into it. There are lots of alternatives too today like online bingo in GCASH where the jackpot prize is increasing day by day and really tempting to play. I already played there and they have announced that suddenly, there are lots of flowing players for about several weeks now. Php 5 for every card - way cheaper than online sabong.

[Saisher]

^ After downloading and depositing Php100 registration fee, they can start betting with cryptocurrencies. Withdrawal would be easy but converting them to fiat would be harder because third party exchanges in the Philippines are highly regulated. I just don't know if these bettors use Binance and other unregistered CEX/Custodial services.

If they are using Cryptocurrency the bettors can keep themselves untracked, they can do peer to peer, using a wallet with internal exchange and trade it on DEX or CEX, or they can even use a mixer if it involved a huge amount, the ballgame changes if they are using Cryptocurrency and it will continue if the authorities cannot trace them.
If there's a will there's a way and we all know gambling operators like online sabong, will find a way because there is huge money to be made here.

[harizen]

In that case, there is a possibility that DEX will grow in the Philippines as the exchange will become increasingly crowded with bettors looking to convert their money to crypto and vice versa. This will also trigger an increase in local sellers which will help bettors.

If it's just about having access to betting in online cockfighting, that won't be the reason for using DEX to grow here in PH. And I doubt, really really doubt at 100% that the majority of bettors will use DEX or even a much simple interface in Binance. These bettors won't probably spend time doing some extra steps just to place a bet.

If that's the case, these people will just find another gambling type that will suit their convenience. No way I think the majority of online cockfights enthusiasts here will even try to use DEX or crypto-exchange just to place a bet. They will find an agent instead like the usual method used before during the first phase of e-sabong but since currently, temporarily halted, it's difficult to find a legit agent for now.

[Fatunad]

^ After downloading and depositing Php100 registration fee, they can start betting with cryptocurrencies. Withdrawal would be easy but converting them to fiat would be harder because third party exchanges in the Philippines are highly regulated. I just don't know if these bettors use Binance and other unregistered CEX/Custodial services.

If they are using Cryptocurrency the bettors can keep themselves untracked, they can do peer to peer, using a wallet with internal exchange and trade it on DEX or CEX, or they can even use a mixer if it involved a huge amount, the ballgame changes if they are using Cryptocurrency and it will continue if the authorities cannot trace them.
If there's a will there's a way and we all know gambling operators like online sabong, will find a way because there is huge money to be made here.

Once crypto would be involved then this is where government problems even gotten more worst because of that decentralized and anonymity thing then this is where tracking will really be almost impossible.
So their primary in concern is taking down the platform or site which is engaged or connected with illegal operation with e-sabong.
So far we havent seen about such crypto payment option but wont be surprised if it would be available soon.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I have read somewhere the newly elected president and its administration will still ban the online sabong just like what the outgoing administration did. Sure the Philippines need the revenue but they cannot afford the consequence.

Before there was no E-Sabong here in the Philippines that's why I think the revenue coming here will be easily covered by the government. Supposed to be one of the good sources of revenue for the government during the pandemic but ended up in a worst result to the lives of people.

I don't see a declined revenue here because like I said, the hype of e-sabong was just around 2 years in operation here.

People here already accept that there's no e-sabong right now because there are still lots of e-gambling here as an alternative.

Certainly the revenue of E-Sabong has been a big help in the Philippines and it will still be of help if its operation will continue but the effect is just too great to deal as it is the lives of people we are talking and the government couldn't afford that kind of result.

The government can still find another alternative on where to find some good clean revenues without destroying some lives along the way, there's still a lot of option though.

Though it's a big help but we cannot deny the fact that it's not good for the poor, why? Because majority of the audience of e sabong are poor people, instead of using their money for the basic needs, they try to gamble it hoping that they'll win which we know gamblers would lose most of the time, so it's not really good.

Logically right poor people, even in the real world sabong, are mostly the participants of this kind of gambling.

They are most willing to try their luck and hope that they can easily double their funds with luck, unconsciously

realized that instead of using the money to buy food for their family, they lose everything and find themselves

problematic in finding how to cover those lose money. It's better this way, limits the access of those people who got

addicted and give them time to have a normal life.

What seems difficult to me is the total prohibition of this, the reason is simple, if they prohibit it but they see that the business model is very juicy and many people can benefit from it, they will look for a way to do it, this is something normal more when the people are irreverent to governments, because governments or third parties are not strong enough to end an entire network of profits or entertainment.

I think that this will be something difficult to fight, it could generate new ways of doing the fights, this is something that they cannot control but obviously they will or they will find a way to do it.

[Reatim]

I have read somewhere the newly elected president and its administration will still ban the online sabong just like what the outgoing administration did. Sure the Philippines need the revenue but they cannot afford the consequence.

Before there was no E-Sabong here in the Philippines that's why I think the revenue coming here will be easily covered by the government. Supposed to be one of the good sources of revenue for the government during the pandemic but ended up in a worst result to the lives of people.

I don't see a declined revenue here because like I said, the hype of e-sabong was just around 2 years in operation here.

People here already accept that there's no e-sabong right now because there are still lots of e-gambling here as an alternative.

Certainly the revenue of E-Sabong has been a big help in the Philippines and it will still be of help if its operation will continue but the effect is just too great to deal as it is the lives of people we are talking and the government couldn't afford that kind of result.

The government can still find another alternative on where to find some good clean revenues without destroying some lives along the way, there's still a lot of option though.

Though it's a big help but we cannot deny the fact that it's not good for the poor, why? Because majority of the audience of e sabong are poor people, instead of using their money for the basic needs, they try to gamble it hoping that they'll win which we know gamblers would lose most of the time, so it's not really good.

Logically right poor people, even in the real world sabong, are mostly the participants of this kind of gambling.

They are most willing to try their luck and hope that they can easily double their funds with luck, unconsciously

realized that instead of using the money to buy food for their family, they lose everything and find themselves

problematic in finding how to cover those lose money. It's better this way, limits the access of those people who got

addicted and give them time to have a normal life.

What seems difficult to me is the total prohibition of this, the reason is simple, if they prohibit it but they see that the business model is very juicy and many people can benefit from it, they will look for a way to do it, this is something normal more when the people are irreverent to governments, because governments or third parties are not strong enough to end an entire network of profits or entertainment.

I think that this will be something difficult to fight, it could generate new ways of doing the fights, this is something that they cannot control but obviously they will or they will find a way to do it.

the Card will be now in the coming president of Philippines , because former president Duterte had made His decision according to the rampant abusing of this gambling and the criminal effect to the country as there are so much missing person that involved in this Online Sabong.

but like what you said , this is a tempting gambling and Juicy in which surely considering the re opening will be in the table soon.