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June 01, 2022, 03:50:15 AM
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At first I thought its a membership ID for gamblers.  Cheesy  Sort for casinos and you get free spins everyday.
Its actually used to access online banking, government websites and certain digital services, such as online gambling.  Now I don't know why you would need an ID for gambling, usually they just check how old you are whichever ID you present and then you can go bet all the way.  

A bit spooky but if they don't protest against this,  I guess its okay for the Danish.


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June 01, 2022, 04:15:42 AM
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Apparently Denmark is all Set to Launch the new Digital ID rules for Gambling in the upcoming July. They have already been using some sort of identification but apparently this is new and improved and would apply for all the gamblers willing to submit their ID and use the services. EasyID is now going to be Replaced by MyID. The license holders of online casino would have to now integrate their systems in the manner that the government prefers. People are still waiting for an update but I would like to know what you think about the system of online ID? Integrating it with gambling might be saving some kids going on these sites but it might also be taking all the privacy away. What are your thoughts on this ?
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https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/16594/denmark-to-introduce-new-digital-id-rules-in-july

Oh wow that is going to either really suck or be a massive improvement for the gambling world. With a Digital ID they can perhaps deal better with keeping out gambling addicts and children who are just curious to try gambling. I guess gambling addicted children can also fall into that category.

Since its coming out of Denmark we can expect they will at least somewhat respect human rights in matters of privacy.

I doubt that Denmark is trying to pull a fast one over their own citizens. They have too much of a good track record to do that. So lets see what happens!

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June 01, 2022, 04:44:38 AM
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At first I thought its a membership ID for gamblers.  Cheesy  Sort for casinos and you get free spins everyday.
Its actually used to access online banking, government websites and certain digital services, such as online gambling.  Now I don't know why you would need an ID for gambling, usually they just check how old you are whichever ID you present and then you can go bet all the way.  

A bit spooky but if they don't protest against this,  I guess its okay for the Danish.

I guess this ID is being centralised and only this ID could be used to access an account from an online gambling website since they plan it to integrate it to the website.
This is kinda shady knowing that you have your information on the ID, but I think this is also one way of minimizing the use of gambling website that could be accessible by minors.


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June 01, 2022, 04:51:10 AM
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The license holders of online casino would have to now integrate their systems in the manner that the government prefers. People are still waiting for an update but I would like to know what you think about the system of online ID? Integrating it with gambling might be saving some kids going on these sites but it might also be taking all the privacy away. What are your thoughts on this ?
I checked the article but I did not see the difference between the two digital IDs. Is the new ID digital while the one that the government want to phase out not digital? I think you are from Denmark, I will like to know more about this.

But what I just know is that if you are gambling on a site that is well regulated by the government of a country, there is nothing like privacy, you use their local currency online which can easily be traced, you link your credit card to the site, you are verified with KYC on the site, so no privacy at all even without the introduction of this new news means of identification.

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June 01, 2022, 04:51:33 AM
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Some of you may find this surprising, but in countries like Spain it is commonplace. The ID card is compulsory from the age of 14 for everyone and is something that everyone usually carries in their wallet when they leave home. To enter a physical casino or to be able to gamble online it is a requirement that you send them the ID card scanned or with a clear photo of your mobile phone.

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June 01, 2022, 04:52:38 AM
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Apparently Denmark is all Set to Launch the new Digital ID rules for Gambling in the upcoming July. They have already been using some sort of identification but apparently this is new and improved and would apply for all the gamblers willing to submit their ID and use the services. EasyID is now going to be Replaced by MyID. The license holders of online casino would have to now integrate their systems in the manner that the government prefers. People are still waiting for an update but I would like to know what you think about the system of online ID? Integrating it with gambling might be saving some kids going on these sites but it might also be taking all the privacy away. What are your thoughts on this ?
Reference:
https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/16594/denmark-to-introduce-new-digital-id-rules-in-july

How are they going to know if you are playing on a foreign crypto casino? If your crypto don't have any tracks from a KYC-enabled exchange, then they won't know about your coins. It means you can freely gamble on any international casino there is.

They are fighting with ghosts imo. Still though, probably most Danish people will be afraid to play on the international casinos.

Another step taken to kill decentralization/anonymity.

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June 01, 2022, 05:04:34 AM
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How are they going to know if you are playing on a foreign crypto casino?
Government can only be using IP address, but most government are not really concerned about this much or maybe I am using my country to discuss about this because I noticed the government do not yet care about the gambling sites we do visit. I will say this will apply more to gambling sites in the particular country and not beyond that country, individual countries will also have their own gambling rules and regulations from the government but there are crypto gambling sites with no such stringent rules.

If  your crypto don't have any tracks from a KYC-enabled exchange, then they won't know about your coins. It means you can freely gamble on any international casino there is.
Even if they know about your coins, it can still be done in a way they will later have no track record about it after sending it to another addresses with more than 5 hops and also making use of Coinjoin, Payjoin, mixers and the likes.

They are fighting with ghosts imo. Still though, probably most Danish people will be afraid to play on the international casinos.
This is just partaining to Danish gambling sites.

Another step taken to kill decentralization/anonymity.
I do not think so, this is partaining to gambling sites in Denmark and nothing private about the sites regulated by the government.

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June 01, 2022, 05:09:16 AM
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Ultimately this is just another way of the governments to make sure that they will receive the taxes that these gamblers will incur with their gambling habits. I see privacy being a concern too, especially from people who like to keep their identity secret during their time as a gambler. It is a double-edged sword, one to quell underage gambling and the other to remove the privacy that a lot of people enjoy. Idk how it would pan out, but if it works in Denmark doesn't mean that it will work in other countries, that's for certain.
Without a doubt this is mostly about the taxes but it is also about control, personally I cannot believe that people let themselves be monitored all the time and still think it is a good thing, it seems there is no floor to the freedoms people are willing to give in the name of their security or the security of someone else, and even if cryptocurrencies offer some privacy many casinos are also implementing KYC policies, so we may come to the day in which you cannot gamble before turning all your information including your medical records to the government in turn.

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June 01, 2022, 05:51:30 AM
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Yeah, just probably implement to restrict underage to gamble. For sure it will be hard to 'fake' this documents or maybe this kids can find a loophole? We really don't know, still up to their parents though to really monitor them. As far as privacy goes, the casino's will have the responsibility to protect the data of all of their customers and I don't think there is privacy if you gamble either online or off-line. Offline casinos too require id if you wanted to avail of their cards to gain points or have perks like free hotel accommodations, food and drinks and everything that will make gamblers go back and play more.
I would say it's good to restrict kids from engaging in these sort of gambling activities as it could have adverse affect on them making them prone to gambling getting addicted at this age only.So there needs to be some steps like this by implementing ID decision although the government have profit motive on their minds first of all so as no gambler is left unnoticed.They always want to supervise these things which is what they are doing through these ID proofs.

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For few reasons this is good.

  • Important one is the kids getting into gambling can be restricted.
  • Government is able to tax the gamblers.
  • Casinos have the advantage of solving issues, if someone have tried to cheat.
  • It is possible to easily keep track of gamblers getting into addiction. Measures can be taken by giving break to those users.

On the other side the privacy of the gamblers gets disturbed. Governments have every data, more people will look for ways to duplicate the id and using blockchain technology will make the process more effective. This move from the governments will direct people towards cryptocurrency accepted platforms for their gambling needs.

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June 01, 2022, 06:28:50 AM
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It would be fine if it were an online ID system for any other business. But suppose the online ID system is used in the gambling business, especially crypto gambling. In that case, I don't think it's appropriate because crypto gamblers don't want to reveal their identities to anyone. They prefer to play as anonymous and no one knows who they are gambling. Maybe this can save the kids but what about the adults who want to gamble? Will they also accept this decision? I don't think all adults can accept that requirement and I think it's better to wait for further news from the government and see how it operates.

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June 01, 2022, 07:05:07 AM
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Is that really needed? People could live without it and anyone especially on crypto can gamble without any sort of identification and I believe majority didn't like to have that since its like exposing yourself on certain things which other people may not like. Maybe this is preparation for their government to impose a taxation towards this industry but lets just see further this kind of developments they made if this will create better result or not to their citizens.

To be honest, This is not necessary because this will attack the privacy of there citizen but Danish government might want to fight against gambling addiction or underage players that freely go the casino. The casino being subject here are those fiat based including IRL that has license to operate in there country. This law covered only Denmark citizen so crypto user is safe from this. The only problem is when this method become successful and all country start adapting with revision that includes crypto exchange to mandatory requiring the user living on the particular country with this kind of law.

This will give pain to all crypto user that gambling most of the time. I don't know the full content of the law but I'm assuming that casino with crypto features exempts the user that only using crypto as there balance.

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June 01, 2022, 07:50:49 AM
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If the player's concern is all about their identity because of the Mandatory KYC this gives a problem to them instead they will find another platform that would like to make sure they are anonymous itself. Well if this becomes mandatory in the country the gambling company must comply with the Data privacy act and other rules regarding the users' information to make sure it is safe. If this happens, they make sure that the wallets or the banks supported too these kinds of transactions to prevent freezing their accounts.

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June 01, 2022, 08:05:39 AM
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If the player's concern is all about their identity because of the Mandatory KYC this gives a problem to them instead they will find another platform that would like to make sure they are anonymous itself. Well if this becomes mandatory in the country the gambling company must comply with the Data privacy act and other rules regarding the users' information to make sure it is safe. If this happens, they make sure that the wallets or the banks supported too these kinds of transactions to prevent freezing their accounts.

This law is only about going against the decentralised unanimous purpose of blockchain. The government is seeking to control the people both owners of casinos and players and the major purpose is for the financial gain and for tax collection. Although on another level there will be regulated casino system because the government will also ensure that casinos are clear of scamming gamblers of their money.

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June 01, 2022, 08:49:58 AM
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For few reasons this is good.

  • Important one is the kids getting into gambling can be restricted.
  • Government is able to tax the gamblers.
  • Casinos have the advantage of solving issues, if someone have tried to cheat.
  • It is possible to easily keep track of gamblers getting into addiction. Measures can be taken by giving break to those users.

On the other side the privacy of the gamblers gets disturbed. Governments have every data, more people will look for ways to duplicate the id and using blockchain technology will make the process more effective. This move from the governments will direct people towards cryptocurrency accepted platforms for their gambling needs.

Everything has pros and cons. I don't think the negative outcome you mentioned outweighs the positive one. People can't do anything about submitting their private data to the government. They need to do it if they want to gamble without worrying. If people will fake their information, then they are just putting their self in more danger from the government. In this digital world, it's really difficult to not comply to those policies.
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In my opinion, this initiative will have a negative impact on gamblers, since a Danish citizen can play gambling sites located in other jurisdictions without any obstacles using a VPN on their device.

But the collection of personal information and possible leakage of personal data is a really serious problem for society.

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June 01, 2022, 10:15:45 AM
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Apparently Denmark is all Set to Launch the new Digital ID rules for Gambling in the upcoming July. They have already been using some sort of identification but apparently this is new and improved and would apply for all the gamblers willing to submit their ID and use the services. EasyID is now going to be Replaced by MyID. The license holders of online casino would have to now integrate their systems in the manner that the government prefers. People are still waiting for an update but I would like to know what you think about the system of online ID? Integrating it with gambling might be saving some kids going on these sites but it might also be taking all the privacy away. What are your thoughts on this ?
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https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/16594/denmark-to-introduce-new-digital-id-rules-in-july

Probably the reason behind this is mainly due to the tax they will get once the gamblers identity are known. Having a centralized database that includes all the gamblers in a particular place would make their job easier to collect and verify whether the tax they are collecting is matched to the population of gamblers in a casino.

Although the idea of imposing this to protect the minors is a plus too. I just think that the main reason they're going to do this is because of money matters. This might be good so that children won't be able to play and bet because they will be easily identified. However, this is a disadvantage on the side of the gamblers since their personal information is at stake.
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June 01, 2022, 10:28:04 AM
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I dislike anything that has to do with KYC and submission of documents to anyone. Your documents are always safe with you, you don't know how careless those companies will be that your information may become leak to third party, what is even the assurance that they wouldn't sell your documents to anyone including the government. It will be easier to identify people when they collect their data, I can't imagine my self been identified as a gambler when they want to address me, this is a red flag for those who play privately.
The forum has always discouraged the use of KYC and that's what I will recommend for everyone.

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Apparently Denmark is all Set to Launch the new Digital ID rules for Gambling in the upcoming July. They have already been using some sort of identification but apparently this is new and improved and would apply for all the gamblers willing to submit their ID and use the services. EasyID is now going to be Replaced by MyID. The license holders of online casino would have to now integrate their systems in the manner that the government prefers. People are still waiting for an update but I would like to know what you think about the system of online ID? Integrating it with gambling might be saving some kids going on these sites but it might also be taking all the privacy away. What are your thoughts on this ?

I don't know about the Danish people and how the government handles gambling in their country, but here in our country and in other countries, it will not work, Cryptocurrency adoption is moving and well-accepted already, the Danish people must be honest and they trust their government for them to trust their vital information, this is something not acceptable to the majority of gamblers in Cryptocurrency based casinos.
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June 01, 2022, 12:45:10 PM
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This is nothing but a form of consumer protection in the gambling industry and the prosecution of stricter obligations for citizens in return. The problem is, is asking for personal information common in gambling companies in that country?
From other news, the country's revenue from online gambling decreased year by year by an average of 7%. Don't know if this means the number of players continues to decrease due to requests for personal information or there are more tax violators from gambling income which is the reason for this rule.

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