Influence of "Paid" Streamers on Online gambling.....

[Mahanton]

I haven't watched slots stream for months since it affects my gambling activities. Fake money or not, watching them playing slots triggers me to play!
Last year I watched stream a lot, played a lot, and busted a lot more lol.
Anyway, it's easy for casinos to set up an account that has a play money balance that can't be withdrawn. They can also set up a balance with minimum turnover, for example, $10,000 with 60x turnover, just like FJ's Bonus Apetit but bigger.

They are here to entertain, if they stated the money is from such a partnership, there's nothing wrong with it IMO. People can agree and disagree, but streamers are here to stay.

Streaming has its only main purpose, to trigger our interest and lets us play. That is why if you are fond of watching streamers, whether paid or not, eventually you will be tempted to give it a try and play to attract profits. As for paid streamers that showcase huge wins and bonuses, i think that's part of the gambling strategies as no one would go into your site and gamble if there are no stimulus that will arouse your gambling interest within you.

That's true streamers are good at generating our interests they master the art of convincing people to play. they are always excited about the project they are streaming whether its a casino or a new game the first time I watched a stream about a play-to-earn project I was convinced to invest and play but unfortunately the project did not take off, it's not really on the streamer it's on the project or about yourself making the right decision, but they are good at influencing people to try what they are promoting or streaming.

They wouldnt really be hired to promote a certain product/project/company if they arent really good with marketing which it would really be understandable that they are just doing their job and they've been paid for that
and it would really be just normal or default consideration that they would really be hiring these people specially to those who do have lots of subscribers or followers to maximize exposure which would really be worth
on the money that they have been spending for marketing.Of course they could really be giving out that kind of influence but in overall it would really be just depending on someone whether they would really
be making themselves easily believed on whats been advertised and recommend.

[harizen]

Though this might be the case, there are some streamers online who intentionally stream gambling websites and provide honest feedback from it. I just hope that Twitch does something about it given that majority of its audience are underaged adults.

I can't think of a way how Twitch will be able to control or filter the audience especially pointing to minors.

On that matter, we just need to trust those minors to use their common sense and not to get involved in gambling at an early age.

Regardless, they will really encounter gambling every day not just thru online interaction.

[ultrloa]

Though this might be the case, there are some streamers online who intentionally stream gambling websites and provide honest feedback from it. I just hope that Twitch does something about it given that majority of its audience are underaged adults.

I can't think of a way how Twitch will be able to control or filter the audience especially pointing to minors.

On that matter, we just need to trust those minors to use their common sense and not to get involved in gambling at an early age.

Regardless, they will really encounter gambling every day not just thru online interaction.

Anyone can register using fake details so its hard for twitch to filter out the minors to use and view those gambling contents. Aside from trusting the minors I think for sure their parents will be worried on their childrens if they see their child watching those disturbing contents so I think this one is fine since for sure this will be totally controlled by the person near them. Maybe we should more worry if they hide this activity because this will give them on high risk situation.

[agustina2]

That's true streamers are good at generating our interests they master the art of convincing people to play. they are always excited about the project they are streaming whether its a casino or a new game the first time I watched a stream about a play-to-earn project I was convinced to invest and play but unfortunately the project did not take off, it's not really on the streamer it's on the project or about yourself making the right decision, but they are good at influencing people to try what they are promoting or streaming.

If they were able to gather lots of subscribers, we can really say that these streamers are good at entertaining people and doing a great job showing what's on their content. If there are a lot of viewers always on their live stream, that's a sign that they can influence people to watch their content and convince people to do what's on the content without asking for that favor from their viewers.

Actually, being a paid streamer is not really necessary even though these streamers are not supported by the gambling site they are promoting. They just have to maintain their viewing stats and they will earn good money without a partnership from anything.

[Silberman]

That's true streamers are good at generating our interests they master the art of convincing people to play. they are always excited about the project they are streaming whether its a casino or a new game the first time I watched a stream about a play-to-earn project I was convinced to invest and play but unfortunately the project did not take off, it's not really on the streamer it's on the project or about yourself making the right decision, but they are good at influencing people to try what they are promoting or streaming.

If they were able to gather lots of subscribers, we can really say that these streamers are good at entertaining people and doing a great job showing what's on their content. If there are a lot of viewers always on their live stream, that's a sign that they can influence people to watch their content and convince people to do what's on the content without asking for that favor from their viewers.

Actually, being a paid streamer is not really necessary even though these streamers are not supported by the gambling site they are promoting. They just have to maintain their viewing stats and they will earn good money without a partnership from anything.

It would be difficult for those steamers to keep gambling so much without any kind of sponsorship, after all gambling is not like your average video game, in a regular video game you can pretty much get all the content for a small amount of money and after that you do not need to spend any money, but gambling requires the frequent use of money and even if they were very popular they will lose money at a rate that is unsustainable to them, besides if they are that popular I am sure a casino will eventually look for them and sponsor them anyway even if that was not the intention of the streamer in the first place.

[Wexnident]

If they were able to gather lots of subscribers, we can really say that these streamers are good at entertaining people and doing a great job showing what's on their content. If there are a lot of viewers always on their live stream, that's a sign that they can influence people to watch their content and convince people to do what's on the content without asking for that favor from their viewers.

Actually, being a paid streamer is not really necessary even though these streamers are not supported by the gambling site they are promoting. They just have to maintain their viewing stats and they will earn good money without a partnership from anything.

It would be difficult for those steamers to keep gambling so much without any kind of sponsorship, after all gambling is not like your average video game, in a regular video game you can pretty much get all the content for a small amount of money and after that you do not need to spend any money, but gambling requires the frequent use of money and even if they were very popular they will lose money at a rate that is unsustainable to them, besides if they are that popular I am sure a casino will eventually look for them and sponsor them anyway even if that was not the intention of the streamer in the first place.

It should roughly be controllable, but I don't think there's any streamer that would like to be a 100% gambler type of streamer. Say you only use money you got from streaming as the money you'd use for betting, you should be able to last pretty long unless you're stream involves betting big, which might just ruin the entire plan and well make it impossible to last long. Not to mention that I don't think there's anyone that would want to watch a streamer gamble 100% of the time, people enjoy watching a variety of content after all imo. There's also the issue that most gambling games are rather simple and static in terms of the process.

[mu_enrico]

I wonder how you have so much energy in regards to slots?

Because at that time I had nothing to do because of the lockdown and my businesses got closed. I longer have such leisure atm

I watch streams and see that even steamers are clearly tired of the same slots (although there are supposedly many types of them, but in reality everything is about the same) and they, sighing from fatigue, move from slot to slot losing fake money. How does this content draw you into the game?  Or do you watch some special streams?

For example, Xposed before he is famous, there's a satisfaction watching him got rekt since he will get mental and cries. The way he builds up hype when triggering free spins is also laughable especially when no big win is involved at the end of the feature game. I assume this is when he plays with his money or at least risked something.

Try to watch small streamers because their reaction looks genuine. Big streamers kinda lost their passion and look tired.

[AicecreaME]

That's true streamers are good at generating our interests they master the art of convincing people to play. they are always excited about the project they are streaming whether its a casino or a new game the first time I watched a stream about a play-to-earn project I was convinced to invest and play but unfortunately the project did not take off, it's not really on the streamer it's on the project or about yourself making the right decision, but they are good at influencing people to try what they are promoting or streaming.

If they were able to gather lots of subscribers, we can really say that these streamers are good at entertaining people and doing a great job showing what's on their content. If there are a lot of viewers always on their live stream, that's a sign that they can influence people to watch their content and convince people to do what's on the content without asking for that favor from their viewers.

Actually, being a paid streamer is not really necessary even though these streamers are not supported by the gambling site they are promoting. They just have to maintain their viewing stats and they will earn good money without a partnership from anything.

It would be difficult for those steamers to keep gambling so much without any kind of sponsorship, after all gambling is not like your average video game, in a regular video game you can pretty much get all the content for a small amount of money and after that you do not need to spend any money, but gambling requires the frequent use of money and even if they were very popular they will lose money at a rate that is unsustainable to them, besides if they are that popular I am sure a casino will eventually look for them and sponsor them anyway even if that was not the intention of the streamer in the first place.

Valid point. Sponsorship is essential for streamers that are not really well-off and do not have extra money to be spent in luxurious activities such as gambling. If they are just streaming for the sake of engagement, entertainment, and for the sake of doing new things, they really need to have the fund in order to continuously showcase gambling methods. Of course, despite being streamers, they still have budget to follow on, unless they are super rich.

The same way with other people, streamers must know how to set boundaries despite having engagement and profiting from it because addiction and loss of money could happen to them to. Afterall, there's no some sort of immunity from it but only discipline.

[madnessteat]

Though this might be the case, there are some streamers online who intentionally stream gambling websites and provide honest feedback from it. I just hope that Twitch does something about it given that majority of its audience are underaged adults.

I can't think of a way how Twitch will be able to control or filter the audience especially pointing to minors.

On that matter, we just need to trust those minors to use their common sense and not to get involved in gambling at an early age.

Regardless, they will really encounter gambling every day not just thru online interaction.

Big companies like Google, YouTube, Twitch and streamers only care about their profits, so it makes no sense to expect them to be interested in protecting our children from information that can get them into trouble. We as parents should spend more time educating our children and explaining to them the principles by which this or that system works. Even a child can be taught how advertising, promotion and the risks of gambling can work.

[Kakmakr]

I will close this thread soon... too many people who are posting off topic posts, just to get +1 for their signature campaigns. Take the time to read the content of my first post and try to post something constructive and on topic, because most people are just posting... for the money now. 

Do you think "Paid" Streamers are sweeping through Slots and taking all the money that other people are gambling OR are they funding the wins of other players?

That is the discussion topic of the day...... 

[ethereumhunter]

Big companies like Google, YouTube, Twitch and streamers only care about their profits, so it makes no sense to expect them to be interested in protecting our children from information that can get them into trouble. We as parents should spend more time educating our children and explaining to them the principles by which this or that system works. Even a child can be taught how advertising, promotion and the risks of gambling can work.

Maybe that's why Google, YouTube, Twitch, and others still allow some accounts to upload gambling content because it's a big advantage for them. But they should also be able to protect minors who do not deserve to see such advertisements. This is the duty of parents and I think parents who live in this era will have a more difficult task in supervising their children because of the freedom to access the internet. Yes, we need to teach our children to use their devices so that they don't get involved with inappropriate things and can get their lives in trouble later.

[mu_enrico]

Do you think "Paid" Streamers are sweeping through Slots and taking all the money that other people are gambling OR are they funding the wins of other players?

It's none of the options, mate.
They are just playing like us, sometimes they win, sometimes they lose. The difference is only about the source of funds, whether they use their pocket money, or from deals with sponsors.

Thinking that bets are dependent, is just the basic definition of a gamble fallacy. Every spin is independent of each other if the devs implement the code correctly. If a streamer gets a max win it doesn't mean you can't get it at the same time (or shortly after the event).

[savetheFORUM]

There are big streamers who makes million over a month just streaming daily on Twitch.  Gambling streams are usually sponsored by gambling platforms,  especially Stake have made contracts with all big streamers on slot section of Twitch.  It is paid advertisement and sort of business for both parties but the crazy amounts won by streamers are not fully paid, IMHO.

Millions a month? I don't think so because if that was true then those streamers are much richer now than those known rich persons in the world but I haven't heard that there are gamers on those lists, just businessmen and website ceo's. Streaming is not harder than those two professions that I mentioned, therefore they don't have the right to earn huge amount of sums.

Stake is a big gambling site and they have the ability to use most of their income for advertisement, including those popular streamers to stream about their casino and its games. I think streamers are already paid before they start the stream and the balance that you see is not theirs therefore whatever they won won't go with them.

[KTChampions]

Do you think "Paid" Streamers are sweeping through Slots and taking all the money that other people are gambling OR are they funding the wins of other players?

That is the discussion topic of the day...... 

Are you pretending you don't know this yet? 
If the casino is at least a little honest (I think we are talking about such as there is no point in discussing scammers), then the fake money that streamers use is in no way connected with other cash flows of real players. Fake money does not affect jackpots or other statistics in any way, and of course, streamers do not "take" other people's winnings for themselves. They have the usual contract with the casino and receive the usual fee for their services.

[goinmerry]

Big companies like Google, YouTube, Twitch and streamers only care about their profits, so it makes no sense to expect them to be interested in protecting our children from information that can get them into trouble. We as parents should spend more time educating our children and explaining to them the principles by which this or that system works. Even a child can be taught how advertising, promotion and the risks of gambling can work.

And that should not be a big deal that these streaming sites should try to filter the audiences, especially the minor ones.

I'm sure most minors won't be interested in watching those gambling content.

They will just try gambling right away without watching those. They want to feel the experience rather than watch.

[AicecreaME]

Big companies like Google, YouTube, Twitch and streamers only care about their profits, so it makes no sense to expect them to be interested in protecting our children from information that can get them into trouble. We as parents should spend more time educating our children and explaining to them the principles by which this or that system works. Even a child can be taught how advertising, promotion and the risks of gambling can work.

And that should not be a big deal that these streaming sites should try to filter the audiences, especially the minor ones.

I'm sure most minors won't be interested in watching those gambling content.

They will just try gambling right away without watching those. They want to feel the experience rather than watch.

I strongly oppose this. You'll never know how each children's mind works. Their curiousity varies in levels. Some are really curious about a particular thing to the point that they will watch whatever that intrigues them. While some are just jumping from one activity to another without considering watching or researching.

Hence, Google, Youtube, and other platforms that cater gambling should be filtering what they are showcasing in general. Although I also believe that this will be hard because of the technology nowadays and because of the children's creativity and resourcefulness.

[malcovi2]

We can't really deny that these paid streamers attracted young people into gambling websites. Stake is even paying millions of dollar to streamers and I do not think that they would pay such heavy advertisements if it doesn't give them any benefits.
The disadvantage is some of these streamers has very young audiences and we know that most of us don't like that it would ruin their lives and these streamers can only do is to warn them but that really wont stop them from being curious to play in the gambling websites.

[Peanutswar]

Do you think "Paid" Streamers are sweeping through Slots and taking all the money that other people are gambling OR are they funding the wins of other players?

That is the discussion topic of the day...... 

Are you pretending you don't know this yet? 
If the casino is at least a little honest (I think we are talking about such as there is no point in discussing scammers), then the fake money that streamers use is in no way connected with other cash flows of real players. Fake money does not affect jackpots or other statistics in any way, and of course, streamers do not "take" other people's winnings for themselves. They have the usual contract with the casino and receive the usual fee for their services.

Gambling casino usually gives a money to the. Streamers and use those to make a game live into their streams and of course it depends on their contract if they can withdraw or not their earnings if they win a lot and of course the streamers makes only content about the winnings but they cannot modify those if they live streams. It is the streamers responsibility to make sure their users are aware about then possible issues that may arise due to excessive playing of gambling.

[Kakmakr]

Ok, I will be locking this topic now..... I tried to steer the discussion in the right direction ....but people still talk about Streamers attracting "underage" gamblers and how effective they are at pulling people into gambling.... and that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic that are under discussion. 

Hint for the future : Read the OP's first post and reply constructively an on-topic. It is a shame that this is not happening, because this is a very good topic that needs more discussion.