Germans are looking to firewood for energy as natural gas prices soar

[pooya87]

It's because they shut down their Nuclear power sources, replaced them with renewable energy, which we learned is unreliable, AND they made themselves reliant on Russia's natural gas as one of their main energy sources. Currently, they might have no other choice and turn on their fossil fuel power generation facilities because it's the easiest/fastest to bring back before winter.

The problem is not about electricity to be solved by using nuclear power plant(s), it is all about the massive industries that were built in Germany which relied heavily on natural gas. As I've said before, they built their massive industrial economy on top of resources they never had which was the biggest mistake they made.
This is one of the problems of globalization (ie. interdependence). Each country should learn to rely on itself base on their own geography and resources they have not what they have to import.

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[omone1]

The prices of gas has over increased due to this Russia war on Ukraine. Firewood is not a clean energy but if it's a means of survival it's okay, more trees will be planted but the people need survive. Europe should look towards Africa and Middle East for their crude oil, this they should have longed envisage.

[DrBeer]

While the Kremlin's propagandists and their supporters are moaning, squealing and trying with all their might to convince Europe that it will freeze and will not live at all without gas from the country of an international terrorist, the gas market shows a steep dive!
From 14/10/2022 to 19/10/2022 the price fell from 6.5 to 5.44

https://ru.investing.com/commodities/natural-gas

And here is the online chart.
By the way, Urals oil, the same terrorists, also follows down after gas.
Germany and gas storages:
August 14, 2022 - approximately 75%
September 20, 2022 - just over 90%
October 20 - Guess how many?

[Wind_FURY]

This is crazy, Germany in its history suffering alot. Country with good economic situation all of the sudden experiencing hard days. Country is experiencing drought that have revealed ancient stones and ships that sunk in the past. Opposite side it is experiencing the oil crisis, where the need for firewood peaks due to the lack of oil supply. In some part the labour shortage that keeps the production low and lack of components too a major problem as the country's economy is much on automotive industry. Now few banks are at the situation of closing and given its users deadline to withdraw the funds.

It's because they shut down their Nuclear power sources, replaced them with renewable energy, which we learned is unreliable, AND they made themselves reliant on Russia's natural gas as one of their main energy sources. Currently, they might have no other choice and turn on their fossil fuel power generation facilities because it's the easiest/fastest to bring back before winter.

No one can predict the war that will happen, if the only person who knows this war will happen can only be Russia because they are the one who started it. The fact that the Germans completely shut down fossil fuel energy production facilities is because they are thinking about global warming. But things wouldn't be as serious or as bad as they are if they weren't instigated by the Biden government to punish Russia. I think the Russians themselves could not have foreseen a drastic reaction from the EU towards them and vice versa. The biggest beneficiary in this case remains the Biden government.

No one can predict it, but Europe is in a higher probability to be in a war, and it might not only be vs. Russia. It might be  vs. China and North Korea as well.

The Black Swan, a Tactical Nuclear War. I believe that will crash ALL markets lower than COVID-19 Panic.

It's because they shut down their Nuclear power sources, replaced them with renewable energy, which we learned is unreliable, AND they made themselves reliant on Russia's natural gas as one of their main energy sources. Currently, they might have no other choice and turn on their fossil fuel power generation facilities because it's the easiest/fastest to bring back before winter.

The problem is not about electricity to be solved by using nuclear power plant(s), it is all about the massive industries that were built in Germany which relied heavily on natural gas. As I've said before, they built their massive industrial economy on top of resources they never had which was the biggest mistake they made.

Whether Germany built an industry that relied on Natural Gas exports or not, the fact that they turned off their Nuclear  power plants, and made themselves dependent on Russia is the main problem.

This is one of the problems of globalization (ie. interdependence). Each country should learn to rely on itself base on their own geography and resources they have not what they have to import.

Globalization is merely the narrative. It's those politicians that brought them in their current situation through years and years of careless policies.

[pooya87]

No one can predict it, but Europe is in a higher probability to be in a war, and it might not only be vs. Russia. It might be  vs. China and North Korea as well.

I believe that there is a much higher chance that in the near future the Europeans start fighting each other rather than fighting a superpower thousands of kilometers away. Just like pre-World War 2 when they had a war every 2 or 3 years.

It's those politicians that brought them in their current situation through years and years of careless policies.

Exactly.

[DrBeer]

While the Kremlin propagandists and their stooges are screaming and hysterical, trying to intimidate Europe, the reality looks like this:

"It took Europe 8 months to find an alternative to Russian gas," said the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen.
"At first, we assumed that the Russian gas cutoff would last 7 years. Today, the facts are as follows: it took us only 8 months to replace two-thirds of the supply," she said.

And now the most important nuance - the international terrorist country has lost this market FOREVER! And besides selling to countries that don't care about "blood oil" (such as China and India), there are no options left. But there is also a nuance here - China and India are so "friendly to Russia" that they "put Russia on their elbows" and forced them to sell oil at a dumping price.

[Maidak]

While the Kremlin propagandists and their stooges are screaming and hysterical, trying to intimidate Europe, the reality looks like this:

"It took Europe 8 months to find an alternative to Russian gas," said the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen.
"At first, we assumed that the Russian gas cutoff would last 7 years. Today, the facts are as follows: it took us only 8 months to replace two-thirds of the supply," she said.

And now the most important nuance - the international terrorist country has lost this market FOREVER! And besides selling to countries that don't care about "blood oil" (such as China and India), there are no options left. But there is also a nuance here - China and India are so "friendly to Russia" that they "put Russia on their elbows" and forced them to sell oil at a dumping price.

What is the solution here?, is it to use firewood, coal or restart the nuclear power plant?, and as I know European countries complain that the US is too greedy to sell LNG to them at exorbitant prices. One more thing about imposing a ceiling on gas and oil prices for Russia, so far 27 EU countries have not found a common voice to make a final statement. If they are confident that they no longer need Russian energy, they should not hesitate to make this statement. I am very curious to know how much more EU people have to spend to be able to use LNG let alone natural gas.

[be.open]

While the Kremlin propagandists and their stooges are screaming and hysterical, trying to intimidate Europe, the reality looks like this:

"It took Europe 8 months to find an alternative to Russian gas," said the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen.
"At first, we assumed that the Russian gas cutoff would last 7 years. Today, the facts are as follows: it took us only 8 months to replace two-thirds of the supply," she said.

And now the most important nuance - the international terrorist country has lost this market FOREVER! And besides selling to countries that don't care about "blood oil" (such as China and India), there are no options left. But there is also a nuance here - China and India are so "friendly to Russia" that they "put Russia on their elbows" and forced them to sell oil at a dumping price.

The most curious thing about your comment is that you were able to write it at all on the day when electricity ran out in almost all of Ukraine and there were serious problems with Internet access. Write your Russophobic nonsense more often so that I can know that everything is all right with you.

[Smack That Ace]

While the Kremlin propagandists and their stooges are screaming and hysterical, trying to intimidate Europe, the reality looks like this:

"It took Europe 8 months to find an alternative to Russian gas," said the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen.
"At first, we assumed that the Russian gas cutoff would last 7 years. Today, the facts are as follows: it took us only 8 months to replace two-thirds of the supply," she said.

And now the most important nuance - the international terrorist country has lost this market FOREVER! And besides selling to countries that don't care about "blood oil" (such as China and India), there are no options left. But there is also a nuance here - China and India are so "friendly to Russia" that they "put Russia on their elbows" and forced them to sell oil at a dumping price.

It can be said that the EU may already have enough gas for this winter, but the EU really found a replacement for Russia in the future, I won't believe what you say. I dare to bet you that they have not been able to find a solution to replace the huge supply from Russia, gas from Norway is not enough for the whole of Europe, LNG from the US has become too expensive and not to mention transportation costs. In 2021, the price of ships carrying LNG will be from 30,000 to 300 thousand USD/day, but now this cost has exceeded 500 thousand/day and may continue to increase. This is seen as a temporary solution because winter has come and EU governments have almost run out of solutions, I believe they will soon find a way to reconnect the gas pipeline to Russia in any case.

[pooya87]

It can be said that the EU may already have enough gas for this winter

That's the best case scenario which is that EU has enough gas only for home users, so they'll have to shut down literary every industry they have that uses gas. The significant increase in price of wood, industries that shut down already and declared bankruptcy and some are on the brink of it, the temperature laws that some countries like Switzerland are going to start enforcing soon, etc. are all signs of severe gas shortage.

P.S. Worse case right now is if a new war breaks out in another region or two where Europe gets its energy from

[Sithara007]

That's the best case scenario which is that EU has enough gas only for home users, so they'll have to shut down literary every industry they have that uses gas. The significant increase in price of wood, industries that shut down already and declared bankruptcy and some are on the brink of it, the temperature laws that some countries like Switzerland are going to start enforcing soon, etc. are all signs of severe gas shortage.

P.S. Worse case right now is if a new war breaks out in another region or two where Europe gets its energy from

Azerbaijan ships in large quantities of pipeline gas to the EU, and the pipeline goes through Georgia. And back in 2008, there was a conflict between Russia and Georgia. Since the current regime in Georgia is not very hostile to Russia, the chances are very low. But still I won't rule out the possibilities. Nigeria and the Maghreb countries (especially Algeria) are also important sources of gas to the EU, and these countries are politically very volatile. Only stable suppliers are United States, Qatar and Australia.

[DrBeer]

While the Kremlin propagandists and their stooges are screaming and hysterical, trying to intimidate Europe, the reality looks like this:

"It took Europe 8 months to find an alternative to Russian gas," said the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen.
"At first, we assumed that the Russian gas cutoff would last 7 years. Today, the facts are as follows: it took us only 8 months to replace two-thirds of the supply," she said.

And now the most important nuance - the international terrorist country has lost this market FOREVER! And besides selling to countries that don't care about "blood oil" (such as China and India), there are no options left. But there is also a nuance here - China and India are so "friendly to Russia" that they "put Russia on their elbows" and forced them to sell oil at a dumping price.

It can be said that the EU may already have enough gas for this winter, but the EU really found a replacement for Russia in the future, I won't believe what you say. I dare to bet you that they have not been able to find a solution to replace the huge supply from Russia, gas from Norway is not enough for the whole of Europe, LNG from the US has become too expensive and not to mention transportation costs. In 2021, the price of ships carrying LNG will be from 30,000 to 300 thousand USD/day, but now this cost has exceeded 500 thousand/day and may continue to increase. This is seen as a temporary solution because winter has come and EU governments have almost run out of solutions, I believe they will soon find a way to reconnect the gas pipeline to Russia in any case.

The most important thing is that the EU has already completely replaced 2/3 of the gas supplies from the country of the terrorist. Those. not a one-time purchase of the necessary gas somewhere, but globally rebuilt gas supply channels. 1/3 of course still remains, but this is a matter of a fairly short time. Yesterday there was information that back in the summer of 2022, the EU believed that the replacement of gas supplies from Russia would take up to 7 years, but it turned out that they went through this path in a little more than half a year.

Concerning possible problems - I do not exclude. After all, Russia is an international terrorist country, and I do not exclude that they will continue to try to continue both military and economic terrorism against many countries.

Here is an example from Norway:
On Friday, a Norwegian court ordered a 50-year-old Russian citizen to be detained for two weeks after he admitted to flying two drones over the country, potentially over critical energy infrastructure.
In recent weeks, many drone sightings have been recorded near the country's offshore oil and gas platforms." - most likely these are attempts to obtain information about critical energy infrastructure nodes for possible new terrorist attacks.

https://www.dw.com/en/norway-russian-man-detained-with-2-drones-near-arctic/a-63441134

[trendcoin]

Looking at the picture from this perspective: It is as if the war was not between Russia and Ukraine, but between Russia and Germany. I can't find where they are now, but according to some news I read, the German economy had a current account deficit for the first time in years. If the news is true, we can consider this crisis as a cold war period in the following years... No matter what happens, I am for peace and will always remain so. I hope this crisis is settled on the table and no more people suffer. I hope we all try to use the world's resources in a more balanced way and protect ourselves from such crises.

[Sithara007]

The most important thing is that the EU has already completely replaced 2/3 of the gas supplies from the country of the terrorist. Those. not a one-time purchase of the necessary gas somewhere, but globally rebuilt gas supply channels. 1/3 of course still remains, but this is a matter of a fairly short time. Yesterday there was information that back in the summer of 2022, the EU believed that the replacement of gas supplies from Russia would take up to 7 years, but it turned out that they went through this path in a little more than half a year.~~~

Replacing the gas won't be very difficult. But the cost matters. Back in 2020, EU nations paid around €100 per thousand cubic meters of Russian pipeline natural gas. And a few weeks back, they were paying €3,000 per thousand cubic meters for LNG from Qatar. If you are happy with this, then I don't have anything to say. As of now, there is a limited supply of natural gas. And EU is competing for this limited supply, with East Asian nations. Some of the consumers who previously shipped gas to East Asian nations such as Japan and South Korea are diverting the supplies now to EU. 

[Smack That Ace]

Looking at the picture from this perspective: It is as if the war was not between Russia and Ukraine, but between Russia and Germany. I can't find where they are now, but according to some news I read, the German economy had a current account deficit for the first time in years. If the news is true, we can consider this crisis as a cold war period in the following years... No matter what happens, I am for peace and will always remain so. I hope this crisis is settled on the table and no more people suffer. I hope we all try to use the world's resources in a more balanced way and protect ourselves from such crises.

Not between Russia and Germany, but also Europe and US are confronting Russia, they want to use Ukraine as a scapegoat to completely destroy Russia. It can be said that Russia is the only power and the biggest rival of the US militarily, so this is the best chance for the US to completely destroy Russia. Nothing would have happened had the US not instigated Ukraine to join the Nato alliance led by them, I believe everything that happened today was caused by the US pulling the strings. On the one hand, using Ukraine to get Russia mired in war and deeper recession, on the other, continues to make Europe increasingly dependent on them. All the devastating wars in this world are caused by US, they are not as great as they claim, they are terrorists and want the whole world to submit to them.

[gabbie2010]

Everything continues and in my opinion looking for wood fuel is the easiest and most appropriate choice, firewood has abundant stock and will never run out so that it becomes the best option to avoid using gas that continues to skyrocket and dependence on gas will certainly make complex problems in the future.

Yes, firewood might bring a temporary solution or succour to Germany energy crisis, however, the implications of cutting down trees will lead to deforestation and flooding including climate change in that part of the country, climate change has been an issue of discuss globally by U.N.O and other organizations which was caused majorly by human activities, alternatively the German government should source for their energy shortages in Africa particularly in Nigeria where there is vast deposit of coal which can be imported to power thermal generating plants, cooking e.t.c. though they should consider it's implications on climate change.

[Uang_kartal]

everything that happened to germany about war.conflict or alternative about basic needs and crises in that country,firewood is an icon, since today still use this, unique experience when I held a camping event first, back to nature [firewood] made it simpler.
  

Can firewood be the new bitcoin? How long before a start-up launches a stablecoin pegged to the international value of the commodity fuelwood?

it's interesting, the coverage is quite wide and this diagram proves that the interest was quite significant that month, maybe now is the time for alternatives to using firewood and some opportunities in the future in several other countries.
This is a marketplace in my country that provides firewood. if compared to the new bitcoin historically, the propagation and supply needed is indeed one vision.
Indeed, bamboo produces more pollution, but if it is an emergency, it can be used because of its flammable texture and lighter weight. The forest is a wild place for all kinds of plants, but poisonous or not I think it depends on the amount of supply that is burned.
this idea will help if gas supply starts to run low and prices have to go up in other countries, I think that small economies are already doing this especially in rural areas or the few entrepreneurs who see more opportunities by using firewood. I also think that firewood is not a difficult thing to find, especially in rural areas. Also from unused waste from
in consuming space, it can be used as an alternative to firewood. I think firewood will be the choice of many people and is more affordable

[DrBeer]

Looking at the picture from this perspective: It is as if the war was not between Russia and Ukraine, but between Russia and Germany. I can't find where they are now, but according to some news I read, the German economy had a current account deficit for the first time in years. If the news is true, we can consider this crisis as a cold war period in the following years... No matter what happens, I am for peace and will always remain so. I hope this crisis is settled on the table and no more people suffer. I hope we all try to use the world's resources in a more balanced way and protect ourselves from such crises.

Not between Russia and Germany, but also Europe and US are confronting Russia, they want to use Ukraine as a scapegoat to completely destroy Russia. It can be said that Russia is the only power and the biggest rival of the US militarily, so this is the best chance for the US to completely destroy Russia. Nothing would have happened had the US not instigated Ukraine to join the Nato alliance led by them, I believe everything that happened today was caused by the US pulling the strings. On the one hand, using Ukraine to get Russia mired in war and deeper recession, on the other, continues to make Europe increasingly dependent on them. All the devastating wars in this world are caused by US, they are not as great as they claim, they are terrorists and want the whole world to submit to them.

Can you give logical, verifiable and provable arguments and facts in favor of your theory?

And more simply - try to logically explain the beginning of Russian aggression against Ukraine, after the overthrow of the anti-constitutional, corrupt, anti-Ukrainian president and government in Ukraine?

About the "second army in terms of power" - I ask you, we here in Ukraine are already tired of laughing with this army, armed with equipment of the 70-80s of the last century, and their attempts to throw meat at us from their brainless soldiers Although if you want, also try to prove nonsense "Russia has the second most powerful army in the world"

Yes, and one more thing - how do you explain the mass retreat of the "second army of the world", the ordinary army of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? And the only more or less "effective" solution of the Russian army is terrorist, daily shelling of peaceful cities, civilian infrastructure, but not combat formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

[pooya87]

Azerbaijan ships in large quantities of pipeline gas to the EU, and the pipeline goes through Georgia. And back in 2008, there was a conflict between Russia and Georgia. Since the current regime in Georgia is not very hostile to Russia, the chances are very low. But still I won't rule out the possibilities. Nigeria and the Maghreb countries (especially Algeria) are also important sources of gas to the EU, and these countries are politically very volatile. Only stable suppliers are United States, Qatar and Australia.

Exactly, all the alternative sources they have are too risky and unstable. Georgia itself is a complicated situation that at least 3 fractions are fighting each other over power, some are pro-Russia so obviously they will want to prevent such export to EU.

Speaking of Azerbaijan, things are heating up in somewhat of a media blackout. Our armed forces already crossed Aras river while all of a sudden some people in Nakhchivan declared they want to rejoin the motherland.
After the 10-day straight bombardment of the terrorist bases in Northern Iraq the crosshair is now on Baku. We have to wait and see what that leads to.

[Synchronice]

Azerbaijan ships in large quantities of pipeline gas to the EU, and the pipeline goes through Georgia. And back in 2008, there was a conflict between Russia and Georgia. Since the current regime in Georgia is not very hostile to Russia, the chances are very low. But still I won't rule out the possibilities. Nigeria and the Maghreb countries (especially Algeria) are also important sources of gas to the EU, and these countries are politically very volatile. Only stable suppliers are United States, Qatar and Australia.

Exactly, all the alternative sources they have are too risky and unstable. Georgia itself is a complicated situation that at least 3 fractions are fighting each other over power, some are pro-Russia so obviously they will want to prevent such export to EU.

Georgians aren't pro-Russians but the problem is that there are so many migrants from Russia to Georgia that are settling down that soon probably they'll be the majority in this tiny country

I would say that Georgia is a pro EU country. I think that Germany is very popular destination for Georgians and I know some German companies who hired Georgian staff and operate from there. I have spent a month or two in the capital of Georgia and I have a good hopes, older generation very much likes people from EU and America too, young generation pretty much wants it to be a country like EU.
That's what I can say from my experience, hope someone will confirm this who has been in Georgia.

Btw Germany isn't in terrible situation right now. Recently I was in Ireland and returned in Germany, food prices are still good, it's hot in gyms, stores, etc. I'm in Bavaria and can't say that anyone is really worried. People work like before and life continues on. Oh, and no oil problems in supermarkts too, I'll update you guys with the prices on Monday