Germans are looking to firewood for energy as natural gas prices soar

[Hydrogen]

Skyrocketing prices for natural gas have Europeans scrambling for alternative energy sources. In Germany, where households face a 480 euro rise in their gas bills, people are resorting to stockpiling firewood.

The fallout from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has sunk Europe into the worst energy crisis in decades. From Italy to the UK, governments are racing to replace natural gas supplies from Russia and curtail the higher costs for industry and households. But consumers, too, are having to adapt, from cutting back on showering to firing up the chimney.

The German word for firewood, “brennholz”, reached peak search volume on Google in mid-August:



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The rising cost of natural gas and firewood

Almost 50% of homes in Germany are heated by natural gas, with another 25% using heating oil. In the past, less than 6% used firewood.

That share is set to be higher this year. As natural gas prices soared, so have those for firewood and wood pellets:



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Heating furnaces and wood stoves are also selling out.

Suppliers of the raw material are struggling to keep up, leading to scarcity of firewood. Earlier this summer, Germany’s Federal Firewood Association said the market was all out of wood.

The lion’s share of firewood used in Germany—80% according to the association—is typically sourced domestically. Now German firewood suppliers are buying from Poland, leaving some residents in both countries to collect brushwood. To prevent panic-buying, one seller has been rationing purchases to three boxes of wood at a time.

The process for drying out wood is long, compounding the ability to meet demand. Ideally, it takes six months to a year, because the more moisture wood contains, the less efficient it is at burning.

Over the long run, the firewood rush also raises environmental concerns. Trees do not replenish quickly and are not a viable substitute for replacing oil and gas, according to scientists. The fumes from burning wood also contain toxic chemicals.

Although Germany’s government deems burning wood for fuel as carbon-neutral, experts say the designation is not clear-cut. The combination of burning wood and cutting down forests may increase carbon emissions.


https://qz.com/germans-are-looking-to-firewood-for-energy-as-natural-g-1849461406

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Beautiful uptrend charts for firewood.

Is it possible that firewood is the new bitcoin? How long before start ups roll out stablecoins pegged to the value of firewood commodities internationally?

Domestically cultivating swathes of fast growing bamboo or paulownia tree for use in wood stoves during winter could help to regrow and regenerate firewood in a way that is sustainable. The worst scenario here is for old growth forests to be targeted. Those would take decades to replace and their greater size would lead to larger quantities of carbon emissions as the wood is burned.

Its also been said that smaller diameter bamboo dries faster than larger diameter trees. Bamboo is a type of grass. Which could translate to it being more carbon neutral in contrast to most trees. Bamboo can also be used for many other applications aside from firewood. Which makes it a good investment even if the firewood application dries up, eventually.

The article mentions that burning wood releases toxic chemicals. Burning termite treated lumber will release arsenic fumes into the air. I'm not certain about naturally grown wood having toxic substances however.

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[odunybiz]

For every problem in a country, some people take the advantage to become rich. They identify the problem and creat wealth from it. Just like bitcoin was created to solve some problems and this also make alot of people rich till today. Firewood may be the Bitcoin of some German that will make then wealthy. Although it will be an opportunity for some citizen to create wealth but may foster a great problem to the government, citizens and the country as a whole. As this may later cause climate change, soil erosion, desertification, habitat loss and increased greenhouse gases in the atmosphere over a long time as trees are being cut down for firewoods.

[cabron]

The need for gas to heat up the house is really bad and they are preparing for it. The Germans know, they are not going to get enough supply of gas this winter so its best to just prepare. The government itself has the obligation warn its citizen since they approve energy-saving measures for the winter that will limit heating and lighting for public buildings according to this recent news.

While you are freezing, you won't really mind about that carbon neutral woods, you need more than just a blankee.

Like the shortage of toilet paper, someone will make money out of it. In Poland, people line Up For Coal Fearing Energy Shortages.

[AjithBtc]

Already the country is experiencing drought situation. This too a big problem as water levels fall to below 40cm on Rhine river, the route of transporting fuel and other necessary commodities. This is supposed to fall even lower and the same have made the ships to reduce the loads. The heat of the water is very high and this leads to death of fishes and floating all around. The climate change is being experienced in a large scale. Now for the lack of required fuel people moving towards the firewood leads to deforestation. The same could have its effects on the environment over time.

[coupable]

This is how the result is when relying on a single source of energy without taking into account the possibility of crises. Germany could have bought liquefied gas from other suppliers at a higher cost, but it neglected this option and did not build transfer stations. With winter approaching, Germany will not hesitate to use all possible solutions including the recently launched hydrogen-powered train.
And the other hypothesis is that it retracts the economic sanctions on Russia to ensure its survival, albeit temporarily, during the winter .

[Moneyprism]

so the Paris agreement is just a formality huh? they blame developing countries for still using fossil energy,, while they developed countries are starting to use fossil energy again and it doesn't matter.. very hypocritical.

[Zlantann]

Its also been said that smaller diameter bamboo dries faster than larger diameter trees. Bamboo is a type of grass. Which could translate to it being more carbon neutral in contrast to most trees. Bamboo can also be used for many other applications aside from firewood. Which makes it a good investment even if the firewood application dries up, eventually.

The article mentions that burning wood releases toxic chemicals. Burning termite treated lumber will release arsenic fumes into the air. I'm not certain about naturally grown wood having toxic substances however.

Bamboo trees are a very good source of heat considering their short maturity period, less toxic nature, and ability to dry fast. But it doesn't have the ability to retain heat for a long time. One needs to have plenty of it to heat a house for a very long time which might increase the amount of fume and ashes produced.

Bunning itself releases toxic substances and it is very obvious that even natural grown woods are also toxic. Research showed that harmful substances suchbenzene and dioxins are by-products of natural wood burning.   

Already the country is experiencing drought situation. This too a big problem as water levels fall to below 40cm on Rhine river, the route of transporting fuel and other necessary commodities. This is supposed to fall even lower and the same have made the ships to reduce the loads. The heat of the water is very high and this leads to death of fishes and floating all around. The climate change is being experienced in a large scale. Now for the lack of required fuel people moving towards the firewood leads to deforestation. The same could have its effects on the environment over time.

Yes, Europe is in dire need of an alternate source of heat and any option would be accepted regardless of the effect on the environment. But it was the same EU that portrays itself as the champion of the environment. They claim to love the environment and that they can do anything to preserve it. They would quickly point accusing fingers at Bitcoin as one of the enemies of the environment. The question now is where is the love?

[Darker45]

To some, firewood could probably even be more important than Bitcoin. But to elevate the value of firewood globally simply because of this doesn't make sense. Many countries don't have winter seasons. Many countries don't need heaters. And if there is a really huge demand for firewood, a lot of countries could export.

Stablecoins pegged to the value of firewood is another absurd idea. It's even a misnomer in the face of what's happening right now. Its value would be anything but stable. When the violence brought by Russia will come to pass, all these firewood exaggerations will vanish.

[pooya87]

This proves once again that all the nonsense the Europeans have been saying about caring about the environment, green shit, global warming, etc. all meant nothing. The moment they felt a little pressure they started cutting down trees and burning coal like 1800s!

[Sithara007]

This is the story from all around the EU. Here is a case from Ireland:

https://twitter.com/DolanGeraldine/status/1564392353300889603



The electricity prices are fast approaching €1 per KWh. And remember that the winter is still a good 2-3 months away.

Update from Finland: https://twitter.com/mtmalinen/status/1564542671061909510 (claims that electricity prices are up by 10-12x).
Leicester: https://twitter.com/CallumMckeefery/status/1564202870706143235 (increase from £10,000 to £55,000).
Norway: https://twitter.com/PeterSweden7/status/1563913228618440707 (Norway is an exporter of gas)
Germany: https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1563598130847039488

France seems to be the only country where the electricity prices are remaining stable.

[amishmanish]

I think this is only a temporary trend the firewood can't be always used for heating up the whole country. Firstly it's costly. It's bullky, transportation cost is high and it need huge logistics support system. So yes until there is war there could be gas issues and firewood might be used as an alternative, but it cant be a saviour. Ultimately we will gonbacknto gas..

[noorman0]

so the Paris agreement is just a formality huh? they blame developing countries for still using fossil energy,, while they developed countries are starting to use fossil energy again and it doesn't matter.. very hypocritical.

It's a household need as an emergency alternative, and I don't think the people there have any other choice.
I thought Germany was more skilled at tackling the energy crisis because historically they were pioneers in fighting climate change as I saw articles everywhere about their recycling technology. I see a lot of something against the previous assessment from this point on.

[BRINIRHA]

In my country which is still developing, using firewood is still a common thing for residents here. possible for people living in urban areas far from forests and plantations. It will be very difficult to find firewood. they have to buy from villagers who are still looking for firewood. and this can be a business opportunity for people who live in rural areas. to collect firewood and sell it to urban areas far from the forest.

for developed countries who are accustomed to using gas and oil. Of course, it will be very difficult to adapt to find other alternative energy. but for developing countries and people living in rural areas. then we are used to the situation without gas and oil.

city ​​people who have never used firewood will surely think that the firewood that is burned is entirely from large wood trees that are cut down and axed into small pieces. it's not wrong. but actually rural people who are accustomed to using firewood are not looking for firewood by cutting down large wood trees. but in the forest we will find many small trees that grow around large trees that can be used as firewood. kind of bush. one example of wild trees that are commonly used as firewood is called Kaliandra. If this tree is cut down, within a month it will grow as before. even the branches will be more and more. so that this tree is used by many people around me to be used as firewood.
so I hope people stop cutting down big trees just to get firewood. because the big trees will not grow back in a short time. but they will grow back in a long time even up to years or decades. and it can damage the environment.

[LoyceV]

This proves once again that all the nonsense the Europeans have been saying about caring about the environment, green shit, global warming, etc. all meant nothing. The moment they felt a little pressure they started cutting down trees and burning coal like 1800s!

It's mainly politicians feeling good about themselves when they make unrealistic climate deals. Tax payers already know we'll just be paying for it.
The good thing about coal is that you can actually have your own storage. It's not really possible to store gas for the winter at home, but a few tonnes coal fits in any basement. I wouldn't want it though: it's heavy, it's dirty and it creates thick smoke. Car emissions are strictly regulated, but fireplaces are still free for all.

[Kakmakr]

I hope they are not cutting down indigenous wood for this? In my country we use firewood, but the wood we are using are from invasive trees. These invasive trees are taking large amounts of water from the ground and they also kill other indigenous trees, because they take their water. 

I guess the wood briquettes industry are making a killing in Europe now.. and also briquettes that are being imported from other countries. (What is cheaper.... Gas or briquettes that are being imported?)

[Poker Player]

I don't see the point of looking for firewood unless they mean going to look for firewood themselves, not buying it, because firewood is expensive. Very expensive. And the ideal firewood for fireplaces, such as oak or walnut, is the most expensive.

Is it allowed in Germany to go to the forest and cut firewood? With so many environmental regulations, I wouldn't be surprised if it was forbidden or you had to ask for permission and pay a fee.

Bamboo trees are a very good source of heat considering their short maturity period, less toxic nature, and ability to dry fast. But it doesn't have the ability to retain heat for a long time. One needs to have plenty of it to heat a house for a very long time which might increase the amount of fume and ashes produced.

That's what I thought. I hadn't heard of bamboo as firewood, but being a thin shrub that grows fast, it's not likely to last long.

[Mauser]

This winter is going to be very difficult in Germany. Even though the gas tanks are almost full again, things are looking very bad for the average household this year. Just this morning I read that the energy suppliers expect 15-20% of the household not be able to pay their energy bills this year. Buying firewood seems like one solution for some families, because many houses have a fireplace inside. In modern houses a fireplace is not so common anymore and usually is only built in for design and optics and not really to be used to heat homes. In older houses, especially from the 1950-80s it was very common to have a fireplace even in the smallest flats. Many of them have not been used for years, but they are fully functional as they need to be checked yearly in Germany. I know this from my friends that most of them never once used their fireplace and usually don't even have wood at home, rather put a candle inside or some fake fire lights. Firewood got very expensive now if you buy it in the store, an alternative is to buy it locally from a forrest when they cut down trees. The problem is that the wood will be wet and it needs to be stored and dried for a few months before being able to use it. But if you have space to store it then now is a good time to stock up for the winter. The only good thing this year could be if it will be a warm winter without snow. 

[pooya87]

The good thing about coal is that you can actually have your own storage. It's not really possible to store gas for the winter at home, but a few tonnes coal fits in any basement. I wouldn't want it though: it's heavy, it's dirty and it creates thick smoke. Car emissions are strictly regulated, but fireplaces are still free for all.

The disadvantages of coal are far more than any advantage it may have, apart from disadvantages you mentioned another one for a lot of countries is that they also have to import coal like they import gas. One of the big sources for coal is also Russia!

[blue_hurricanger]

If only Germans start to take the nuclear energy pill sooner. Look at France, it took them the 1973 oil crisis where oil has risen nearly 300% to shallow the nuclear energy pill. Today, France derives about 70% of its electricity from nuclear energy. The amount of CO2 emission from fossil fuels for energy is another reason to consider nuclear energy.

Yes, the disposal of nuclear wastes, as well as other byproducts (contaminated water from the cooling nuclear reactor,...) is risky but heavily regulated. Compared to the dramatic climate change from CO2 emissions and the indebted to the oil cartel/fossil fuel control, I rather take my chance at nuclear energy. If more countries start to switch to nuclear energy, more money into the industry to push for more innovations, technologies and such. Really, this is our wake-up call now.

[LoyceV]

If only Germans start to take the nuclear energy pill sooner.

They did that, see this image on Wikipedia (hotlinking the image from Wiki doesn't work).
Then, after the Fukushima nuclear disaster, they decided to get rid of them quicker. And coal too, because of the climate. Natural gas consumption on the other hand went up, because of the lower emissions and higher flexibility (needed to deal with the increasing share of wind and solar). And that's in a nutshell how we ended up where we are.

But even if they'd do use nuclear power for heating, using electricity for resistor heating is quite wasteful. You'd need a lot more power plants.

[Betwrong]

I think this is only a temporary trend the firewood can't be always used for heating up the whole country. Firstly it's costly. It's bullky, transportation cost is high and it need huge logistics support system. So yes until there is war there could be gas issues and firewood might be used as an alternative, but it cant be a saviour. Ultimately we will gonbacknto gas..

Yes, we will. Ultimately, the government that decided to launch a full scale war in the middle of Europe in the 21st century will be defeated and overthrown, and the world will be able to trade with Russia without sponsoring state terrorism at the same time. And burning firewood for making your home warm will be history, just like hearing air alerts several times per day for months, living in the capital of a European state.

[Sithara007]

If only Germans start to take the nuclear energy pill sooner. Look at France, it took them the 1973 oil crisis where oil has risen nearly 300% to shallow the nuclear energy pill. Today, France derives about 70% of its electricity from nuclear energy. The amount of CO2 emission from fossil fuels for energy is another reason to consider nuclear energy.

Yes, the disposal of nuclear wastes, as well as other byproducts (contaminated water from the cooling nuclear reactor,...) is risky but heavily regulated. Compared to the dramatic climate change from CO2 emissions and the indebted to the oil cartel/fossil fuel control, I rather take my chance at nuclear energy. If more countries start to switch to nuclear energy, more money into the industry to push for more innovations, technologies and such. Really, this is our wake-up call now.

Nuclear energy is one of the greenest forms of energy available. I don't know why the Green Party always oppose nuclear power plants. Obviously disposal of nuclear waste is a serious concern. But now technology has advanced and safe disposal methods are available. And this is the reason why energy prices in France has remained stable so far this year, while those in other European countries have gone up by anywhere from 500% to 1,000%. Germans are the most stupid ones. Rather than building new nuclear powerplants, they closed down the existing ones.

[Mometaskers]

It's really ironic after they've been telling anyone to mind their emissions. This whole issue of having to reduce fuel imports from Russia really highlighted that the EU haven't really been that green, at least not as much as they advertise.

Domestically cultivating swathes of fast growing bamboo or paulownia tree for use in wood stoves during winter could help to regrow and regenerate firewood in a way that is sustainable. The worst scenario here is for old growth forests to be targeted. Those would take decades to replace and their greater size would lead to larger quantities of carbon emissions as the wood is burned.

Not sure if they can grow bamboo well there in Germany but maybe they can just, you know, burn their trash in incinerators for electricity and just use electric heaters at home? Certain waste products can be turned to fuel, like how coconut shells are sometimes turned into charcoal, maybe they can find something there to burn rather than throw away.

In the end it'll also boil down to proper design. I've seen illustrations of houses that uses water heated by the sun to warm to home, maybe they do that there. I mean, the sun still shines during winter, except if there's a blizzard.

[LoyceV]

maybe they can just, you know, burn their trash in incinerators for electricity

They do that already, it produces about 1% of the total electricity.

In the end it'll also boil down to proper design. I've seen illustrations of houses that uses water heated by the sun to warm to home, maybe they do that there. I mean, the sun still shines during winter, except if there's a blizzard.

Much easier: windows facing the sun. It helps, but it's not enough.

[cabron]

maybe they can just, you know, burn their trash in incinerators for electricity

They do that already, it produces about 1% of the total electricity.

In the end it'll also boil down to proper design. I've seen illustrations of houses that uses water heated by the sun to warm to home, maybe they do that there. I mean, the sun still shines during winter, except if there's a blizzard.

Much easier: windows facing the sun. It helps, but it's not enough.

Or they could just buy lots of red hot chilli peppers, store them to last up to spring. It warms the body without having to burn anything.  Just add 3 chilli peppers to a noddle soup and its good. Add peppers to every food thats to be eaten. Food is importanter than gas in the long run.

I have read about converting public libraries into a huge warm room where many of them stays there.

[stompix]

I don't see the point of looking for firewood unless they mean going to look for firewood themselves, not buying it, because firewood is expensive. Very expensive. And the ideal firewood for fireplaces, such as oak or walnut, is the most expensive.

Nobody uses oak or walnuts for heating, and msot have changed to pellet usage for their homes, and those are made out of willow and fake acacia trees, they grow damn fast, are easy to be cut and processed, and require the least energy, mix it wid leftovers from other wood industries and they are pretty effective.
We have such a pellet machine at our farm as the farm buildings have never been heated with gas ever, it's not the most effective in terms of caloric power per cubic meter, about 2/3 that of normal beech but still does its job. As for bamboo, no, it burns so quickly with such huge flames it's not a good idea, especially in closed spaces. Also, some species of willow grow pretty fast, not as fast as bamboo but with higher quality wood and caloric power.

so the Paris agreement is just a formality huh? they blame developing countries for still using fossil energy,, while they developed countries are starting to use fossil energy again and it doesn't matter.. very hypocritical.

Trees are not fossil energy, and to the surprise of many there is a thing called the carbon cycle:

Is it possible that firewood is the new bitcoin? How long before start ups roll out stablecoins pegged to the value of firewood commodities internationally?

Here you go again, we need another token...

[Moneyprism]

so the Paris agreement is just a formality huh? they blame developing countries for still using fossil energy,, while they developed countries are starting to use fossil energy again and it doesn't matter.. very hypocritical.

It's a household need as an emergency alternative, and I don't think the people there have any other choice.
I thought Germany was more skilled at tackling the energy crisis because historically they were pioneers in fighting climate change as I saw articles everywhere about their recycling technology. I see a lot of something against the previous assessment from this point on.

indeed they have made a mistake from the beginning to rely too much on energy from Russia.. we can only hope that this is only a temporary solution before they develop renewable energy for their energy..

[Agbe]

Its also been said that smaller diameter bamboo dries faster than larger diameter trees. Bamboo is a type of grass. Which could translate to it being more carbon neutral in contrast to most trees. Bamboo can also be used for many other applications aside from firewood. Which makes it a good investment even if the firewood application dries up, eventually.

The article mentions that burning wood releases toxic chemicals. Burning termite treated lumber will release arsenic fumes into the air. I'm not certain about naturally grown wood having toxic substances however.

Bamboo trees are a very good source of heat considering their short maturity period, less toxic nature, and ability to dry fast. But it doesn't have the ability to retain heat for a long time. One needs to have plenty of it to heat a house for a very long time which might increase the amount of fume and ashes produced.

Bunning itself releases toxic substances and it is very obvious that even natural grown woods are also toxic. Research showed that harmful substances suchbenzene and dioxins are by-products of natural wood burning.  

Already the country is experiencing drought situation. This too a big problem as water levels fall to below 40cm on Rhine river, the route of transporting fuel and other necessary commodities. This is supposed to fall even lower and the same have made the ships to reduce the loads. The heat of the water is very high and this leads to death of fishes and floating all around. The climate change is being experienced in a large scale. Now for the lack of required fuel people moving towards the firewood leads to deforestation. The same could have its effects on the environment over time.

Yes, Europe is in dire need of an alternate source of heat and any option would be accepted regardless of the effect on the environment. But it was the same EU that portrays itself as the champion of the environment. They claim to love the environment and that they can do anything to preserve it. They would quickly point accusing fingers at Bitcoin as one of the enemies of the environment. The question now is where is the love?

Yes bamboo wood dry faster and can burn well but bamboo stick or wood can not give the heat needed in those countries. Bamboo wood burns like fuel. It does not last, and it not produce the needed heat. So the best wood to be used at that side is hard wood that can burn last longer. Even the bamboo in my locality, there are two types. One produces gin while the other does not produce gin. And they are not in the same nature but probably (probability) in the same class. One of them like suger-cane which is also known in my community as Indian bamboo, and that kind of bamboo is not too good in burning for heat. But it will s very good temporal burning.


While the other bamboo which produced wine is called in my community "Ijaw Bamboo". And it can burn and produced heat more than Indian bamboo.


These are the two bamboo we have in my country.

I hope this issue will not lead to another colonialism in Africa. I know why I am saying it. Because finally they would come back to Africa to export these woods to feed the industries in Europe again.

[South Park]

If only Germans start to take the nuclear energy pill sooner. Look at France, it took them the 1973 oil crisis where oil has risen nearly 300% to shallow the nuclear energy pill. Today, France derives about 70% of its electricity from nuclear energy. The amount of CO2 emission from fossil fuels for energy is another reason to consider nuclear energy.

Yes, the disposal of nuclear wastes, as well as other byproducts (contaminated water from the cooling nuclear reactor,...) is risky but heavily regulated. Compared to the dramatic climate change from CO2 emissions and the indebted to the oil cartel/fossil fuel control, I rather take my chance at nuclear energy. If more countries start to switch to nuclear energy, more money into the industry to push for more innovations, technologies and such. Really, this is our wake-up call now.

Nuclear energy is one of the greenest forms of energy available. I don't know why the Green Party always oppose nuclear power plants. Obviously disposal of nuclear waste is a serious concern. But now technology has advanced and safe disposal methods are available. And this is the reason why energy prices in France has remained stable so far this year, while those in other European countries have gone up by anywhere from 500% to 1,000%. Germans are the most stupid ones. Rather than building new nuclear powerplants, they closed down the existing ones.

What happens is that the Fukushima nuclear disaster that happened 11 years ago at Japan reduced if not eliminated completely the possibility of using nuclear energy as our main source of energy during the short term, those that have proposed the use of nuclear energy have dedicated a great deal of their time to try to erase from memory what happened at Chernobyl, and they were relatively successful, but once the disaster happened at Fukushima many people lost the faith they had in nuclear energy and thought events like those were basically inevitable.

[Hydrogen]

Yes bamboo wood dry faster and can burn well but bamboo stick or wood can not give the heat needed in those countries. Bamboo wood burns like fuel. It does not last

Some have recommended selectively burning bamboo to transform it into charcoal, which will last longer. I have seen people burn wood inside a 55 gallon drum to make charcoal. Its an interesting process. Here is a video clip on youtube of charcoal being made via primitive means:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzLvqCTvOQY

Adoption of bamboo as "european firewood reserve" could be a matter of scale. If its produced in high quantities, the price will decline and supply will become plentiful enough to perhaps offset fast burn time. The fast growth rate and ease of replenishment carries potential to offset observed negatives.

Paulownia is said to be one of the fastest growing trees in the world. That could be another option to target sustainable firewood markets. Which would not involve chopping down old growth forests. And would be easiest to develop and replenish with time being a factor.

[Sithara007]

What happens is that the Fukushima nuclear disaster that happened 11 years ago at Japan reduced if not eliminated completely the possibility of using nuclear energy as our main source of energy during the short term, those that have proposed the use of nuclear energy have dedicated a great deal of their time to try to erase from memory what happened at Chernobyl, and they were relatively successful, but once the disaster happened at Fukushima many people lost the faith they had in nuclear energy and thought events like those were basically inevitable.

And how many people actually died from the Fukushima disaster? There are only a handful cases of cancer that is directly attributed to the disaster, and more than 10 years have passed since the incident. Even in Chernobyl, the number of deaths stayed in double digits. Around 100 individuals developed leukemia, which was later blamed on the radio-active release from the nuclear plant. Now compare that to the 400,000 deaths resulting from coal-fired powerplants in India alone. And in both Fukushima and Chernobyl, the root cause of the disaster was mismanagement by the authorities.

[Poker Player]

Nobody uses oak or walnuts for heating, and msot have changed to pellet usage for their homes, and those are made out of willow and fake acacia trees, they grow damn fast, are easy to be cut and processed, and require the least energy, mix it wid leftovers from other wood industries and they are pretty effective.

Nobody will use that wood in Germany which if I remember correctly is where you live, or wherever you live. But I please don't deny what I can see with my own eyes.

Also, are you talking about using that wood for small metal stoves or the large stone fireplaces that are built in houses?

For the latter, oak and walnut wood are ideal:

Oak firewood is absolutely one of the best types of firewood you can burn. 

[be.open]

Nobody uses oak or walnuts for heating, and msot have changed to pellet usage for their homes, and those are made out of willow and fake acacia trees, they grow damn fast, are easy to be cut and processed, and require the least energy, mix it wid leftovers from other wood industries and they are pretty effective.

Nobody will use that wood in Germany which if I remember correctly is where you live, or wherever you live. But I please don't deny what I can see with my own eyes.

Also, are you talking about using that wood for small metal stoves or the large stone fireplaces that are built in houses?

For the latter, oak and walnut wood are ideal:

Oak firewood is absolutely one of the best types of firewood you can burn.  

In Russia, stove heating is quite widespread in rural areas, as the main or backup source of heat. Birch is usually used as firewood in my region and occasionally, about once a month, they heat the stove with aspen to clean the chimney and reduce the risk of fire. Oak and walnut are almost never used as firewood, because these tree species are not common in my region. The main rule for stove heating is that firewood must be dry, ideally you need to store firewood for the next year, and heat the stove with last year's stocks. Damp wood produces little heat and a lot of smoke.

[Lucius]

I will only ask one very simple question, why is the entire energy situation viewed only through the prism of Germany? The EU has a total of 27 member states, and each of them will try to adapt to the energy crisis in their own way, and as always, some will be more successful than others.

As for firewood, I can say that in my country this type of heating is still very popular, especially considering gas prices. 1 cubic meter of mixed firewood (oak, beech, ash, wild cherry, hornbeam...) costs on average about 50 EUR, and an average household needs about 15 meters of wood for an average winter. We should add the costs of cutting, as well as the splitting of wood, which is about 10 EUR per meter.

All in all, the cost of heating for one house would be less than 1000 EUR, although this method of heating has disadvantages compared to gas. Instead of a thermostat that needs to be turned on or off, wood needs to be bought, cut, split and stored, and furnaces and chimneys cleaned, which many people don't want.

[LoyceV]

why is the entire energy situation viewed only through the prism of Germany?

Probably because Germany is the biggest economy within EU, and largely relied on Russian gas.

All in all, the cost of heating for one house would be less than 1000 EUR

Natural gas used to cost less than that for most homes. Using 15 m³ of fire wood is terribly inefficient and heavily polluting. That's okay in remote areas, but not in cities where far too many houses stand close together.

[zasad@]

Nobody uses oak or walnuts for heating, and msot have changed to pellet usage for their homes, and those are made out of willow and fake acacia trees, they grow damn fast, are easy to be cut and processed, and require the least energy, mix it wid leftovers from other wood industries and they are pretty effective.

Nobody will use that wood in Germany which if I remember correctly is where you live, or wherever you live. But I please don't deny what I can see with my own eyes.

Also, are you talking about using that wood for small metal stoves or the large stone fireplaces that are built in houses?

For the latter, oak and walnut wood are ideal:

Oak firewood is absolutely one of the best types of firewood you can burn. 

Oak firewood has a big minus. Oak takes a very long time to dry. And as a rule, firewood is sold immediately after the tree has been cut down.
Therefore, you will have problems lighting the stove, or you will have to chop wood into smaller chips and use lighter fluids. Pine, birch, aspen dries very quickly.

[stompix]

Nobody will use that wood in Germany which if I remember correctly is where you live, or wherever you live. But I please don't deny what I can see with my own eyes.
Also, are you talking about using that wood for small metal stoves or the large stone fireplaces that are built in houses?
Oak firewood is absolutely one of the best types of firewood you can burn.   (https://burlybeaver.com/oak-firewood/)

I'm talking about this:
https://www.buderus.de/de/pelletkessel
And if you don't trust me then probably you would believe a company with billions of revenue from selling just heating systems and every single type of pellet burning for boilers central heating and this is how those pellets are harvested.

As for oak and walnut nobody uses those because despite having a high caloric input they are worth more as furniture, rather than burning a cubic meter of walnut you make a table out of it and buy 20mc3 of beech with that price   And if you think about leftovers, those are made into, pellets .

Oh btw, I can smell where that confusion is coming, pellets, wood briquettes, same stuff for me.

I will only ask one very simple question, why is the entire energy situation viewed only through the prism of Germany? The EU has a total of 27 member states, and each of them will try to adapt to the energy crisis in their own way, and as always, some will be more successful than others.

Cause if Germany would cut gas consumption tomorrow there wouldn't be a crisis anymore. If Bulgaria would do the same it would not matter as they burn about 20 times less. If tomorrow Coinfield is hacked nobody will care, if Binance's coins are gone, we're going to go through a lot of pain...

[jaberwock]

These are the two bamboo we have in my country.

I hope this issue will not lead to another colonialism in Africa. I know why I am saying it. Because finally they would come back to Africa to export these woods to feed the industries in Europe again.

On the second pic, the one that is smaller where there are people climbing on it. I think it looks like a coconut tree? But maybe it was called a bamboo on your country. That's true that it can produce a wine. That was the livelihood of the people on our place. It's tree has a lot of use cases other than extracting a wine on it.

You can also make a broomstick out of it and the wood can also be use to build a house and furniture but of course it works great as a firewood. It can last longer than a normal/real bamboo wood because it's more thicker. Looking for alternatives is fine but they shouldn't abused it because trees are also important.

[coolcoinz]

One solution is a wood gas burner. The furnace starts up as a normal wood burner and when it heats up begins to produce wood gas that can be sent back to the burner or to a generator and power up the house. It depends on how big your burner is and how much gas can it produce. Burners are expensive, but when you start getting 10k EUR bills like that one posted earlier in this thread buying one starts to make a lot of sense. For 10k EUR you can get a full installation that will generate enough wood gas for you to have hot water, a warm house and get you at least 5KW of constant power.

You can even run cars on wood gas. The conversion doesn't look pretty but it works.
https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/01/wood-gas-cars.html

[fiulpro]

Firewood?
Sustainable?
How about: *polluting*, *extremely unhealthy* the reason firewood is not used that much anymore is because of the problems it comes with. Wooden gas burner is not a solution, think about the environment as well, how many wild trees would be cut down just because people will try and sell it illegally once the prices sore. It's not an alternative, is not an option, we all need to learn about environment friendly options and at the end make things better not just for us but for our future generations as well.

[Sithara007]

Firewood?
Sustainable?
How about: *polluting*, *extremely unhealthy* the reason firewood is not used that much anymore is because of the problems it comes with. Wooden gas burner is not a solution, think about the environment as well, how many wild trees would be cut down just because people will try and sell it illegally once the prices sore. It's not an alternative, is not an option, we all need to learn about environment friendly options and at the end make things better not just for us but for our future generations as well.

The suggestion to burn firewood is a retrograde step. We moved from firewood to natural gas many decades ago. It is retarded to even think about going back. Firewood is neither environmentally friendly, nor healthy. It produces much more soot and ash, when compared to natural gas. I am not saying that natural gas is the safest option that is available. But at least with natural gas, the pollution levels are much lower when compared to firewood and coal. People come up with all sort of crazy suggestions when there is a shortage of natural gas. This talk will just die down when gas becomes more abundant again.

[Poker Player]

Oak firewood has a big minus. Oak takes a very long time to dry.

All you have to do is wait for it to dry.

And as a rule, firewood is sold immediately after the tree has been cut down.

That will be where you live.

Therefore, you will have problems lighting the stove, or you will have to chop wood into smaller chips and use lighter fluids.

No because I never put wood that is not dry in the fireplace.

Pine, birch, aspen dries very quickly.

Pine and aspen are garbage for fireplaces the first for being resinous and the second for being soft.

[pooya87]

A couple of years ago if you told someone that in the year 2022 the Europeans would be arguing about the types of wood they should burn to keep warm in the winter while their media talked about consuming expired foods with mold and shit, they would have placed you in the loony bin

[zasad@]

Oak firewood has a big minus. Oak takes a very long time to dry.

All you have to do is wait for it to dry.

And as a rule, firewood is sold immediately after the tree has been cut down.

That will be where you live.

Therefore, you will have problems lighting the stove, or you will have to chop wood into smaller chips and use lighter fluids.

No because I never put wood that is not dry in the fireplace.

Pine, birch, aspen dries very quickly.

Pine and aspen are garbage for fireplaces the first for being resinous and the second for being soft.

Do you know how long oak dries to burn well in the oven?
My problems with ignition disappeared only in the second year.
This problem can be solved by ordering firewood in advance and letting it dry, but as a rule, firewood is bought when it runs out And sellers will not bring dry firewood.

You need to separate 2 things: this is a fireplace in the house and a stove for a bath.
I have a gas heated house and have not used a fireplace for many years, but if there are problems with gas or electricity, then a fireplace can be used.

And for a Russian bath, it doesn’t matter what kind of firewood to use, I won’t notice the difference. But oak firewood is consumed less than aspen or birch.

[bakasabo]

Firewood as a solution to high gas price? Ridiculous. Worse decision ever. What next, go to caves and prey hunting? How long do they plan to replace gas with firewood? Few years and there will be no trees on the earth.

Oak firewood has a big minus. Oak takes a very long time to dry.

Much bigger minus is that it takes ages for tree to grow...

I have a gas heated house and have not used a fireplace for many years, but if there are problems with gas or electricity, then a fireplace can be used.

I have a fireplace also, but its purpose is to heat biggest room only. I know that is individual, but one fireplace usually dont heat whole house, but having multiple fireplaces at home is an expensive investment during construction period, it limits useful space at home. And keeping fire creates minor inconveniences. It is not pull the handle and go to sleep.

[Lucius]

Natural gas used to cost less than that for most homes. Using 15 m³ of fire wood is terribly inefficient and heavily polluting. That's okay in remote areas, but not in cities where far too many houses stand close together.

It is no longer just a question of the price of gas, but the question of whether there will be enough of it, given that the EU began to face decreasing supplies from alternative sources where it mostly relied on the US, which according to some news can no longer keep up the same pace as before. In addition, Norway also announced that it had to reduce gas deliveries due to regular maintenance.

Firewood is certainly not an ideal option, but at the moment it is something that can provide additional insurance in the event of a gas shortage. In my area, more or less everyone has gas heating, but they also have wood/pallet stoves, which we will use if necessary.

Cause if Germany would cut gas consumption tomorrow there wouldn't be a crisis anymore. If Bulgaria would do the same it would not matter as they burn about 20 times less. If tomorrow Coinfield is hacked nobody will care, if Binance's coins are gone, we're going to go through a lot of pain...

If they are the only problem, why don't we ask them nicely to play penguin this winter and make sacrifices for everyone else? Joking aside, I have already said several times that all these stories about freezing are overemphasized and are part of Russian propaganda, which in this way tries to influence the even greater destabilization of the EU.

Meanwhile, in Hungary, the Russian company Rosatom is starting to build two new nuclear reactors, because Orban has no problems with the war in Ukraine.

[Wind_FURY]

Germany shouldn't have shut down their Nuclear power plants. Tin-foil hats on, but sometimes I believe that the governments around Europe are infiltrated by "its enemies" and cause their leaders to make very stupid policies. Because why did Germany allow themselves to be dependent on Russian gas? Plus Germany's leaders sanctioned Russia, and they complain because Russia won't give them the Natural Gas that they need?

The Black Swan will not be a Black Swan, because we already know what will come "next". I'm too afraid to say "it", but countries like New Zealand, South Africa, and Iceland will be the safest destinations if "it" will happen.

[erep]

Firewood as a solution to high gas price? Ridiculous. Worse decision ever. What next, go to caves and prey hunting? How long do they plan to replace gas with firewood? Few years and there will be no trees on the earth.

As long as Russia still covers gas supplies to Germany, then there is an alternative way for people to prepare firewood for sufficient supply for the winter, the demand for wood is increasing because the government has subsidized it, but will it reduce natural greening if the demand for firewood increases?

I have a fireplace also, but its purpose is to heat biggest room only. I know that is individual, but one fireplace usually dont heat whole house, but having multiple fireplaces at home is an expensive investment during construction period, it limits useful space at home. And keeping fire creates minor inconveniences. It is not pull the handle and go to sleep.

If the fireplace uses gas for only limited use while the gas is still filled, it will eventually switch to a pallet wood fireplace, but it is unhygienic for indoor use, creating dust that is bad for breathing.

[DrBeer]

Dear residents of Europe!
1. Do not believe Russian propaganda and its corrupt mongrels in your countries. Ukraine is an economic terrorist and a war criminal, Russia, for many years, from year to year, with hysteria and joy (for Russia, to do an abomination to a neighbor is one of the key goals of life) before the heating season promised that we "will definitely freeze this year without Russian gas !quickly agree to all our conditions!". We sent them and send them, and no one froze, except ... for some of the inhabitants of Russia, where the level of gasification of households is less than 50% This is a fact. And they collect brushwood and fallen trees from ancient times to the present day ... And they will collect, now for many hundreds of years, because. Russia is a technologically backward country, and cannot properly provide its citizens with normal living conditions.
2. Yes, this winter you will be forced to go through some procedure of "removing the pathogenic virus" Russian gas "that hit your economy. Yes, and you will probably have to raise the question - who and how led to the fact that your economy was essentially sold to the management of the country terrorists in order to control politicians, corrupt politicians who are ready to exchange you and your countries for handouts from the Kremlin Nazis, but in 2023 you will be able, by slightly reducing gas consumption, to completely leave Russia's gas needle.
Believe me - it's not as scary as Russian propaganda draws! They always lie and always bully. For example, in Ukraine they have been spitting on them for a long time and ignoring all their "scarecrows"

[Wind_FURY]

Dear residents of Europe!

1. Do not believe Russian propaganda and its corrupt mongrels in your countries. Ukraine is an economic terrorist and a war criminal, Russia, for many years, from year to year, with hysteria and joy (for Russia, to do an abomination to a neighbor is one of the key goals of life) before the heating season promised that we "will definitely freeze this year without Russian gas !quickly agree to all our conditions!". We sent them and send them, and no one froze, except ... for some of the inhabitants of Russia, where the level of gasification of households is less than 50% This is a fact. And they collect brushwood and fallen trees from ancient times to the present day ... And they will collect, now for many hundreds of years, because. Russia is a technologically backward country, and cannot properly provide its citizens with normal living conditions.

2. Yes, this winter you will be forced to go through some procedure of "removing the pathogenic virus" Russian gas "that hit your economy. Yes, and you will probably have to raise the question - who and how led to the fact that your economy was essentially sold to the management of the country terrorists in order to control politicians, corrupt politicians who are ready to exchange you and your countries for handouts from the Kremlin Nazis, but in 2023 you will be able, by slightly reducing gas consumption, to completely leave Russia's gas needle.

Believe me - it's not as scary as Russian propaganda draws! They always lie and always bully. For example, in Ukraine they have been spitting on them for a long time and ignoring all their "scarecrows"

Is there truly a Russian propaganda? Can you post, and quote examples with links? Thanks. I'm rather curious how those propagandas read like.

Plus it would be very easy to say to go through winter with limited, or no heating and energy if you are not there to experience it. There are real people, FAMILIES, who would suffer, or even also die. I know it was wrong of Putin to order the attack on Ukraine, I'm not saying ignore it. But it's very hard for those ordinary people to go through the coming winter.

[LoyceV]

Is there truly a Russian propaganda?

Of course there is, just like there's Western propaganda. One of the first things EU did, was ban Russian state-owned media.
It's safe to assume propaganda and censorship are always happening, the very tricky part is knowing what's real or not.

[Smack That Ace]

Firewood?
Sustainable?
How about: *polluting*, *extremely unhealthy* the reason firewood is not used that much anymore is because of the problems it comes with. Wooden gas burner is not a solution, think about the environment as well, how many wild trees would be cut down just because people will try and sell it illegally once the prices sore. It's not an alternative, is not an option, we all need to learn about environment friendly options and at the end make things better not just for us but for our future generations as well.

The suggestion to burn firewood is a retrograde step. We moved from firewood to natural gas many decades ago. It is retarded to even think about going back. Firewood is neither environmentally friendly, nor healthy. It produces much more soot and ash, when compared to natural gas. I am not saying that natural gas is the safest option that is available. But at least with natural gas, the pollution levels are much lower when compared to firewood and coal. People come up with all sort of crazy suggestions when there is a shortage of natural gas. This talk will just die down when gas becomes more abundant again.

This is really crazy solution, it shouldn't be done. Using coal in addition to creating ash and dust that pollutes the air also has a lot of impact on the environment. We all know that deforestation will cause environmental hazards, and natural disasters such as droughts, floods, earthquakes are all caused by deforestation. It is difficult to find an alternative to Russian gas in the short term, but the German and EU governments should reconsider the use of firewood instead. It is a step backward for humanity.

[be.open]

Is there truly a Russian propaganda?

Of course there is, just like there's Western propaganda. One of the first things EU did, was ban Russian state-owned media.
It's safe to assume propaganda and censorship are always happening, the very tricky part is knowing what's real or not.

The reality is that Nord Stream 1 is closed for an indefinite period (due to identified malfunctions on the only working Siemens turbine, which are not clear how to fix due to the imposed sanctions), gas from Russia to Europe now flows only through Ukraine and through the Turkish Stream.

It is also realistic that the EU's total gas demand at the end of 2021 was about 550 billion cubic meters per year, with its own production of about 210 billion cubic meters per year (340 billion cubic meters per year the EU imported in total, including about 150 billion cubic meters per year from Russia ). The total capacity of underground gas storage facilities in the European Union is 70 billion cubic meters per year. Everyone has the right to draw their own conclusions.

Plus it would be very easy to say to go through winter with limited, or no heating and energy if you are not there to experience it. There are real people, FAMILIES, who would suffer, or even also die. I know it was wrong of Putin to order the attack on Ukraine, I'm not saying ignore it. But it's very hard for those ordinary people to go through the coming winter.

People will not freeze, but the entire energy-intensive European industry is fucked up.

[zasad@]

Firewood?
Sustainable?
How about: *polluting*, *extremely unhealthy* the reason firewood is not used that much anymore is because of the problems it comes with. Wooden gas burner is not a solution, think about the environment as well, how many wild trees would be cut down just because people will try and sell it illegally once the prices sore. It's not an alternative, is not an option, we all need to learn about environment friendly options and at the end make things better not just for us but for our future generations as well.

The suggestion to burn firewood is a retrograde step. We moved from firewood to natural gas many decades ago. It is retarded to even think about going back. Firewood is neither environmentally friendly, nor healthy. It produces much more soot and ash, when compared to natural gas. I am not saying that natural gas is the safest option that is available. But at least with natural gas, the pollution levels are much lower when compared to firewood and coal. People come up with all sort of crazy suggestions when there is a shortage of natural gas. This talk will just die down when gas becomes more abundant again.

This is really crazy solution, it shouldn't be done. Using coal in addition to creating ash and dust that pollutes the air also has a lot of impact on the environment. We all know that deforestation will cause environmental hazards, and natural disasters such as droughts, floods, earthquakes are all caused by deforestation. It is difficult to find an alternative to Russian gas in the short term, but the German and EU governments should reconsider the use of firewood instead. It is a step backward for humanity.

Do you know how much forest is burned in fires every year?
https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-wildfires
https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-wildfires
Any alternative with supplies will cost a lot more due to logistical problems. Therefore, a more likely scenario is the purchase of Russian gas in other countries, and according to documents, it will not come from Russia.

[be.open]

Any alternative with supplies will cost a lot more due to logistical problems. Therefore, a more likely scenario is the purchase of Russian gas in other countries, and according to documents, it will not come from Russia.

I don't think so - because of the same logistical problems. In order to resell Russian gas to the European Union in a democratic package, the intermediary must have some kind of surplus, and no one has such surplus now. Hungary recently agreed with Gazprom on additional gas supplies in the amount of several million cubic meters per day, which will come through the Turkish Stream - and this is perhaps all that the European Union can count on. If Hungary wants to share.

[blue_hurricanger]

If only Germans start to take the nuclear energy pill sooner.

They did that, see this image on Wikipedia (hotlinking the image from Wiki doesn't work).
Then, after the Fukushima nuclear disaster, they decided to get rid of them quicker. And coal too, because of the climate. Natural gas consumption on the other hand went up, because of the lower emissions and higher flexibility (needed to deal with the increasing share of wind and solar). And that's in a nutshell how we ended up where we are.

But even if they'd do use nuclear power for heating, using electricity for resistor heating is quite wasteful. You'd need a lot more power plants.

Yes, electricity is ill-suit to power the boiler, low efficiency to be used for heating in the winter. If we have more nuclear power, we can reduce the amount of reliance on natural gas. In turn, allow the oil-power boiler to take place. Yes, it was a thing. There is a downsize from oil-power boiler vs gas-power boiler but still a considerable replacement especially the biodiesel mix.
On the world scale, if more nuclear power plants are being built, it'll reduce the number of fossil fuels like coal, oil, and LNG to generate electricity. More available for those resources, supply and demand kick in, and cheaper prices as well.

Japan's Fukushima disaster was the worst. Not just Germany but a lot of countries around that time halted their plan to build new nuclear power plants. To be fair, Japan stood on the Pacific Ring of Fire, they should've known better when built the Fukushima nuclear power plant on their coast.

Nuclear energy is one of the greenest forms of energy available. I don't know why the Green Party always oppose nuclear power plants. Obviously disposal of nuclear waste is a serious concern. But now technology has advanced and safe disposal methods are available. And this is the reason why energy prices in France has remained stable so far this year, while those in other European countries have gone up by anywhere from 500% to 1,000%. Germans are the most stupid ones. Rather than building new nuclear powerplants, they closed down the existing ones.

The Green Party is just a front for renewable energy and oil cartels to hide behind it and spread their agenda. All because of money and profit. Pure greed, I tell you. Thing is changing. In COP26 or 2021 United Nations Climate Change Conference where they sang a different tune, moved nuclear energy to the 'green list', and stop discouraging countries from seeking it.

[bakasabo]

Firewood as a solution to high gas price? Ridiculous. Worse decision ever. What next, go to caves and prey hunting? How long do they plan to replace gas with firewood? Few years and there will be no trees on the earth.

As long as Russia still covers gas supplies to Germany, then there is an alternative way for people to prepare firewood for sufficient supply for the winter, the demand for wood is increasing because the government has subsidized it, but will it reduce natural greening if the demand for firewood increases?

I have a fireplace also, but its purpose is to heat biggest room only. I know that is individual, but one fireplace usually dont heat whole house, but having multiple fireplaces at home is an expensive investment during construction period, it limits useful space at home. And keeping fire creates minor inconveniences. It is not pull the handle and go to sleep.

If the fireplace uses gas for only limited use while the gas is still filled, it will eventually switch to a pallet wood fireplace, but it is unhygienic for indoor use, creating dust that is bad for breathing.

Firewood is not an alternative. How long does it takes for a tree to grow on a hight of 3-4 store house ? 50 years? It takes several days to burn all those logs. And as you say - dust is created after burning logs, and the amount of trees decreases each day, to clean air. That is a a path to nowhere.

[Lucius]

Firewood is not an alternative. How long does it takes for a tree to grow on a hight of 3-4 store house ? 50 years? It takes several days to burn all those logs. And as you say - dust is created after burning logs, and the amount of trees decreases each day, to clean air. That is a a path to nowhere.

The alternative is anything that can help you warm up during the winter, or to cook something to eat if you have no other source of heat. There is a type of tree that grows very fast and I know it has spread a lot in Europe in the last 10-15 years - and it takes about 3-4 years to grow a tree for cultivation. The ash produced by burning wood is a good fertilizer, and it can also be used as a protection against snails if it is sprinkled around the plant. Today, it is also possible to buy smoke filters that significantly reduce pollution - so everything is not as black as many think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulownia

Cultivation for firewood
It is planted at a distance of about 2×3 m. After 3-4 years, we get a tree with a diameter of about 20 cm and 0.25 m2. A household that annually consumes about 15 m2 of wood can plant a plantation with 200-250 trees on an area of 1000-1500 m2. After 3 years, he can start logging and cover all heating costs for the next 30 years. This is because after cutting, a new tree sprouts again from the existing root.

[Mometaskers]

maybe they can just, you know, burn their trash in incinerators for electricity

They do that already, it produces about 1% of the total electricity.

In the end it'll also boil down to proper design. I've seen illustrations of houses that uses water heated by the sun to warm to home, maybe they do that there. I mean, the sun still shines during winter, except if there's a blizzard.

Much easier: windows facing the sun. It helps, but it's not enough.

Wow, and even the incinerators are not enough. And yes properly designed windows, design the house for maximum sun absorption and heat retention. Unfortunately I don't think those living in flats have much options. I have family in Italy and they complain about the cold and are not running the heater continuously to save on gas (this was even before prices skyrocket). I can imagine it'll be much frigid in Germany. Hope they sort that all out before winter.

Or they could just buy lots of red hot chilli peppers, store them to last up to spring. It warms the body without having to burn anything.  Just add 3 chilli peppers to a noddle soup and its good. Add peppers to every food thats to be eaten. Food is importanter than gas in the long run.

I don't know if you're serious about the chili part. That just trick your body into thinking you're hot. That's why Thais love them, they sweat and then it evaporates and cool them down. But yes, food is definitely important in helping keep the body warm. Maybe they can adjust the heating to be lower than they're used to and just put on an extra layer or two of clothing.

[beerlover]

The alternative is anything that can help you warm up during the winter, or to cook something to eat if you have no other source of heat. There is a type of tree that grows very fast and I know it has spread a lot in Europe in the last 10-15 years - and it takes about 3-4 years to grow a tree for cultivation. The ash produced by burning wood is a good fertilizer, and it can also be used as a protection against snails if it is sprinkled around the plant. Today, it is also possible to buy smoke filters that significantly reduce pollution - so everything is not as black as many think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulownia

The interesting is that people are not realizing "why" firewood is used right now as alternative and why it is a good thing. The real deal is that Germans realized long time ago Russians can't be trusted and Putin is the evil person in the world today, history always had those evil people, maybe Putin is not as bad as Hitler, but certainly the worst for the world today.

So instead of gas, oil, petrol whatever that you can get from Russia, they would use firewood, but not forever neither. Even though as you mentioned it is not as bad as people imagine, it is still not a forever thing, Europe is trying to build self-energy sustainable ways and when that happens, firewood will slowly fade out again.

[dark1234]

Or they could just buy lots of red hot chilli peppers, store them to last up to spring. It warms the body without having to burn anything.  Just add 3 chilli peppers to a noddle soup and its good. Add peppers to every food thats to be eaten. Food is importanter than gas in the long run.

I don't know if you're serious about the chili part. That just trick your body into thinking you're hot. That's why Thais love them, they sweat and then it evaporates and cool them down. But yes, food is definitely important in helping keep the body warm. Maybe they can adjust the heating to be lower than they're used to and just put on an extra layer or two of clothing.

do we always eat chili and consume it, of course this is not friendly to the body. I prefer to use SPICE/REMPAH drinks, like what Asian people do to brew drinks by adding ginger, turmeric, kapulogo and others [whose benefits are the same] we find so many in the asia area, so that not only warmth is obtained but immunity and stamina are maintained in times of extreme weather.

[Lucius]

The interesting is that people are not realizing "why" firewood is used right now as alternative and why it is a good thing. The real deal is that Germans realized long time ago Russians can't be trusted and Putin is the evil person in the world today, history always had those evil people, maybe Putin is not as bad as Hitler, but certainly the worst for the world today.

Unfortunately, Germany and the EU did not do anything after the Russian attack on Crimea, because if that had been the case, then today such stories would be completely pointless. Eight years have passed since then, and everything continued as if nothing had happened, and if we had reacted then as we do now, we might have prevented this bloody war that has been going on for months.

So instead of gas, oil, petrol whatever that you can get from Russia, they would use firewood, but not forever neither. Even though as you mentioned it is not as bad as people imagine, it is still not a forever thing, Europe is trying to build self-energy sustainable ways and when that happens, firewood will slowly fade out again.

Firewood will be used only by those who have the conditions for it, and you cannot use firewood if you live in an apartment building that does not have a chimney - unless you push the stove pipe through the window. If we look at the infographic, less than 50% of German households use gas for heating, the rest have some other alternatives. As I already stated in my previous post, wood can be used for heating, and even without a major impact on the environment if it is used and produced in a sustainable way.

[DrBeer]

While the propaganda media of the terrorist country and their henchmen are spreading a horror story from an alternative pseudo-reality about how the whole of Europe will freeze without Russian gas, in Germany, in reality the situation is as follows:
- As of August 31, the filling of gas storages exceeded 85% and the rate of gas accumulation exceeded the filling rate for the last 5 years. This is provided that gas consumption will be reduced by 15%, which means that with this nuance, storage facilities have 100% of the required reserve, taking into account the deduction of 15% for reducing gas consumption. BUT! The purchase of gas has not ended yet
- The German government announced the allocation of 65 billion euros to help businesses and the public.

Well, how did the Kremlin terrorists achieve results with terrorism?

[Wind_FURY]

Any alternative with supplies will cost a lot more due to logistical problems. Therefore, a more likely scenario is the purchase of Russian gas in other countries, and according to documents, it will not come from Russia.

I don't think so - because of the same logistical problems. In order to resell Russian gas to the European Union in a democratic package, the intermediary must have some kind of surplus, and no one has such surplus now. Hungary recently agreed with Gazprom on additional gas supplies in the amount of several million cubic meters per day, which will come through the Turkish Stream - and this is perhaps all that the European Union can count on. If Hungary wants to share.

Wasn't Germany the intermediary before? I believe that there might be a conspiracy here. Tin-foil hats on, but the United States might have something to do with this. Because when Germany, the intermediary, has been importing more and more Natural Gas from Russia, they also started being less dependent on U.S. Gas. Isn't possible that the U.S. wants the E.U. to be more dependent on them than the Russians?

[pooya87]

- As of August 31, the filling of gas storages exceeded 85%

Once again your hatred of Russia blinded you about other propaganda. First of all their full 100% storage is only enough for a week or two of gas consumption in normal situation, not even during cold season when consumption increases.
Secondly they are counting the gas that was supposed to be received from US and elsewhere as part of that storage whereas they haven't sent that gas yet!

- The German government announced the allocation of 65 billion euros to help businesses and the public.

In other words the economic situation is so much worse that we thought. We should expect a much bigger inflation due to this money printing policy in near future on top of everything else.

[be.open]

Any alternative with supplies will cost a lot more due to logistical problems. Therefore, a more likely scenario is the purchase of Russian gas in other countries, and according to documents, it will not come from Russia.

I don't think so - because of the same logistical problems. In order to resell Russian gas to the European Union in a democratic package, the intermediary must have some kind of surplus, and no one has such surplus now. Hungary recently agreed with Gazprom on additional gas supplies in the amount of several million cubic meters per day, which will come through the Turkish Stream - and this is perhaps all that the European Union can count on. If Hungary wants to share.

Wasn't Germany the intermediary before? I believe that there might be a conspiracy here. Tin-foil hats on, but the United States might have something to do with this. Because when Germany, the intermediary, has been importing more and more Natural Gas from Russia, they also started being less dependent on U.S. Gas. Isn't possible that the U.S. wants the E.U. to be more dependent on them than the Russians?

Yep. Germany was an intermediary and resold gas to neighbors through a virtual or physical reverse, but now this is in the past - Germany itself does not have enough gas in the conditions of the Nord Stream shutdown.

[LoyceV]

Isn't possible that the U.S. wants the E.U. to be more dependent on them than the Russians?

Probably. You don't need tin-foil hats for that: most countries would rather have business for themselves than for another country.

their full 100% storage is only enough for a week or two of gas consumption in normal situation, not even during cold season when consumption increases.

That's incorrect:

Refilling gas inventories to 95% full by November would only cover about 2-1/2 months of heating, industrial and power demand if Russia cuts off supplies completely, according to Klaus Mueller, president of the Federal Network Agency

Secondly they are counting the gas that was supposed to be received from US and elsewhere as part of that storage whereas they haven't sent that gas yet!

I haven't seen this before. Do you have a reference link?

In other words the economic situation is so much worse that we thought. We should expect a much bigger inflation due to this money printing policy in near future on top of everything else.

Agreed. We're pretty much fucked at the moment.

[bakasabo]

Germans and Europe is dependable from Russian gas, wheat war, oil price growth - sometimes I am amazed how countries blindly became fully dependable from their neighbor and never had Plan B in case something happens. Politicians must have foreseen such cases and be ready to act or give a reasonable alternative. I dont count consumption reduction is a way out of this situation. How many times we need to cut gas consumption, that will make everyone happy and had enough of it? Firewood is not infinite. What will be offered to burn next to get warm ?

[LoyceV]

What will be offered to burn next to get warm ?

Bills and eviction notices

[bakasabo]

What will be offered to burn next to get warm ?

Bills and eviction notices

A minute of black humor. Somewhere in the Internet I've seen a funny picture - "how to fight with poverty and hunger - let hungry people eat poor people" two problems solved simultaneously. That is an answer what should be burned next. It might turn that all of a sudden amount of gas supply is enough for everybody.

Sad to realize that only small part of people understand real problem natural resources. A lot of people know that their monthly bill amount to be paid soon will look like telephone number, but people prefer to smile, joke and only complain about that. I expect new offers from banks to appear - loans to pay utility bill.

[LoyceV]

Sad to realize that only small part of people understand real problem natural resources.

Also sad many politicians don't understand it either. The focus has been on CO₂ and the climate for a long time, up to the point of storing CO₂ underground. But none of that solves the supply problems, and I believe a shortage of resources is going to be a much bigger problem than rising temperatures.

[P2PECS]

Sad to realize that only small part of people understand real problem natural resources.

Also sad many politicians don't understand it either. The focus has been on CO₂ and the climate for a long time, up to the point of storing CO₂ underground. But none of that solves the supply problems, and I believe a shortage of resources is going to be a much bigger problem than rising temperatures.

For me the main problem is having 7.7 billion people on earth and growing. Production has also increased exponentially but resources are not infinite. I hope that there will come a time when growth stops, stabilizes and may even start to decrease, but it is not clear to me to what extent the natural resources will be able to withstand so many billion parasites gobbling them up.

[LoyceV]

I hope that there will come a time when growth stops, stabilizes and may even start to decrease

One way or another, that will happen at some point. It's simply math: Wikipedia puts "us" at 1.1% growth. That's 5.6 million percent in 1000 years, or about 450 trillion people. With less than 145 million km² land surface area, that's a cosy 3 people per m². I'm pretty sure "we" start killing each other long before that, but I'm kinda hoping to reach a more peaceful equilibrium.

[pooya87]

I haven't seen this before. Do you have a reference link?

There is no reliable sources for any data which is affecting national security during war times! Not to mention that there are already enough protests around Europe.

It is a simple analysis: Where did Germany get that much gas to fill the storages? It's a matter of supply and consumption, there is significantly decreased supply + slightly decreased consumption; so there is definitely no excess gas to be added to storage.

1. Russia significantly decreased the gas exports very early in the war (down to 40% and 20% exports to EU and they even recently shut down Nord Stream I which is completely removing part of that export).
2. Germany hasn't been able to secure other sources either.
2.1. US hasn't fulfilled the promises and they even created 2 fake explosions in their LNG ports which aren't going to be fixed this year (they needed to dump that gas domestically to keep the price down inside US and save their own economy).
2.2. No success with Canada (they keep saying they can send LNG but they haven't yet!)
2.3. Qatar, Iraq, other Arabs haven't been able to increase their production to send anything major to Europe let alone to Germany. Not to mention they already have other customers elsewhere that have increased their own demands.
2.4. Iran with one of the biggest gas reserves isn't going to send anything (oil or gas) towards EU any time soon
2.5. Turkey (a lot of gas was going through it towards Europe) is being greedy and wants to get gas for $350 then resell it to Europe for $4200 so at least 14 billion cubic meter (that's the confirmed amount which could be higher) export to Turkey was halted.
3. For the very little gas left in the global market, there is a lot of demand elsewhere specially in other parts of Europe, not much is left for Germany.
4. Germany does't have the capability to go in another country and either steal their gas or force them to give it to them like what Brits and French have been doing over the past couple of months in North African and West Asia.

The best case scenario is that they haven't yet touched the stockpiles and the storages are a little less than half full. If you add the amount US promised to send (but hasn't yet) to this amount you get to about 85%.
This is one of the contributing factors to Uniper needing $19 billion bailout money.

[stompix]

I haven't seen this before. Do you have a reference link?

Iranian propaganda office!
Haven't you seen what he's up to lately, Iran destroyed 1 trillion of US equipment in a raid, Iran is the new of the world superpower, Iran doesn't care about sanctions, 6000 US soldiers have been killed by Iran special forces, Iran has destroyed 2 F35 in combat, UK has agreed to pay 2 billion for two spies captured by Iran, all the same bullshit.
His latest piece of comedy was :

The fate of US and EU economy depends on Iran's decision whether to remove the sanctions on the West or keep them there to increase the pressure.

He's lost all his marbles!

Europe data is free for everyone to look at it real time:
https://agsi.gie.eu/

The storage is full by 81.55% and was still rising despite NS1 being shut down, it has 907TWh worth of gas and that is enough currently for 21.85% of the annual consumption without any!!! any imports or internal production, gas coming from Norway, Romania, Netherlands or Algeria, and Azerbaijan.

[pooya87]

Iran destroyed 1 trillion of US equipment in a raid,

Not just in a raid, in multiple openly admitted attacks against US bases in North Africa and Middle East like Al-Asad airbase and Erbil.

Iran is the new of the world superpower,

You probably know more than former CENTCOM commander Gen. McKenzie.

Iran doesn't care about sanctions,

I don't think I've said that. Sanctions definitely have hurt Iranians but they never achieved what they wanted them to achieve, in fact it did the exact opposite.

6000 US soldiers have been killed by Iran special forces, Iran has destroyed 2 F35 in combat,

LOL

UK has agreed to pay 2 billion for two spies captured by Iran,

I never said "agreed to" I said they already paid and it wasn't 2 billion it was half a billion:

~the news about UK buying 2 of their spies from Iran for half a billion dollar~

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-nazanin-uk-iran-b2037030.html
Funny how they paid this much money only for these two specific people and don't even give a shit about the other 6 or 7 UK nationals in Iranian prisons.

He's lost all his marbles!

Feel free to prove the points I raised here or here are wrong kiddo.

[boumalo]

Germany remains the most exposed, as it is almost entirely dependent on Russian gas imports. Despite having by far the largest storage tanks in Europe, its demand for gas is equally large and its tanks only hold 108 days of consumption – full tanks would run dry on February 16 and they are currently only 60% full, which would be emptied on December 8 if Russia turned off the gas tomorrow.

EU​​ Gas represents 21.5% of EU's primary energy consumption. It is the dominant source of energy for households (32.1%)

Storage levels and storage capacity vary greatly in the EU (chart). The tanks in Poland and Portugal are already close to 100% full. However, even the full tanks in Poland and Portugal are not enough to get through the whole winter. They hold enough gas for 79 days of consumption and 24 days respectively. That means without new supplies during the winter they would run out of gas by January 18 and November 24 respectively if all gas supplies were cut off from the current levels of gas stored.

Indeed, this is the case for all the countries of Europe; most countries’ storage doesn’t hold enough gas to last the whole winter. The exceptions are the Slovak Republic and Austria (chart), where their tanks do hold enough gas to get to the end of the heating season if full. Everyone else starts running out of gas as soon as October (assuming gas withdrawals start on October 1, but a mild winter means drawdowns can start as late as the start of November), although some survive until February. Czechia is in the third best position, as its tanks can last to April 5 if full.
(https://www.intellinews.com/how-many-days-of-gas-consumption-are-in-europe-s-storage-tanks-250065/)

[stompix]

Not just in a raid, in multiple openly admitted attacks against US bases in North Africa and Middle East like Al-Asad airbase and Erbil.

Which never happened anywhere else but in Iranian media.

You probably know more than former CENTCOM commander Gen. McKenzie.

Again, this only happened if you twist the words and change the person and the country to which he was referring.

I don't think I've said that. Sanctions definitely have hurt Iranians but they never achieved what they wanted them to achieve, in fact it did the exact opposite.

A picture worth 100 million propagandists:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?end=2021&locations=IR-IL&start=2009


Oh sorry, my bad I forgot you're an antisemite, so let me redo this, let's try another economic global power:


 

I never said "agreed to" I said they already paid and it wasn't 2 billion it was half a billion:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-nazanin-uk-iran-b2037030.html

First paragraph:

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe was released by Iran after the UK paid a £400m debt to Tehran, Iranian state media has reported.

So another fairytale.

Feel free to prove the points

Feel free to comment on what LoyceV has asked you about the gas supply and why you claimed what you did while knowing shit.
Better luck next time, come with a different story and make it more believable!

[be.open]

Europe data is free for everyone to look at it real time:
https://agsi.gie.eu/

The storage is full by 81.55% and was still rising despite NS1 being shut down, it has 907TWh worth of gas and that is enough currently for 21.85% of the annual consumption without any!!! any imports or internal production, gas coming from Norway, Romania, Netherlands or Algeria, and Azerbaijan.

Well, it's nice, at least someone is doing well. I also think that the European Union will be able to cope without the supply of energy resources from Russia and there is no need to dramatize the situation. And if the firewood runs out, you can heat the stoves with books by Tolstoy and Dostoevsky, to spite Putin.

[pooya87]

Which never happened anywhere else but in Iranian media.

You are right, The United States Defense Department is the name of THE Iranian Media and that eagle thing is THE logo of the Iran's national TV and The Planet releasing the satelite images of the aftermath is an Iranian company

~

In other words you had nothing to say about any of the points I raised and are just wasting my time by going off-topic.
Back to ignore list. I wonder where you live though and how does your energy bill feel like with all the gas that is "stored"...

[stompix]

Back to ignore list. I wonder where you live though and how does your energy bill feel like with all the gas that is "stored"...

Glad to be there, it's like a badge of honor.

But since I don't think you have LoyceV on the ignore list and since he was the one asking you where your numbers about the fact that even full EU gas reserves won't last more than two weeks I think you owe a few answers o those that might still even think you're not just some Iranian propagandist who spreads only lies here.

But well, facts are not something you really want to discuss, right?

Well, it's nice, at least someone is doing well. I also think that the European Union will be able to cope without the supply of energy resources from Russia and there is no need to dramatize the situation.

Be careful what you say, some FSB agents who confuse The sims for sims cards might not get your sarcasm, would be better to reinforce your windows rather than sell that wood to the poor freezing germans.
How many of those gas and oil industry CEOs have taken the final jump after providing the numbers Putin didn't want this year?

[be.open]

Well, it's nice, at least someone is doing well. I also think that the European Union will be able to cope without the supply of energy resources from Russia and there is no need to dramatize the situation.

Be careful what you say, some FSB agents who confuse The sims for sims cards might not get your sarcasm, would be better to reinforce your windows rather than sell that wood to the poor freezing germans.
How many of those gas and oil industry CEOs have taken the final jump after providing the numbers Putin didn't want this year?

In Argentina, inflation is 70%, in Turkey 80%, and in the European Union only about 10%. I remember the times in the 1990s, when inflation in Russia was several thousand percent per annum. And nothing - somehow survived. Of course, many Europeans will have to give up their usual level of comfort and consumption, but perhaps it will even benefit them. Strategically important enterprises will take advantage of targeted government assistance, private citizens will receive subsidies to pay utility bills, I am sure that Europe has a margin of safety to survive this winter. It’s a little pitiful for small businesses, all sorts of cafes and restaurants that already receive huge electricity bills that they cannot afford, but such is the life and fate of small businesses - in any cataclysms, they are the first to go under the knife, but the first is then restored.

For many years people have been oppressed by low temperatures. They called them "holodryga", "dubak" and other words that have a clearly negative marking. Progressive Europeans must renounce the imposed temperature stereotypes and generally abandon the concepts of "warm" and "cold". It is proposed to refer to them as "temperature No. 1" and "temperature No. 2" in the future. Vocabulary should be temperature neutral. To say that cold is bad is now wrong.


It is necessary to abandon value judgments and accept the temperature as it is. It is important to accept the fact that there are a large number of different temperatures and this is normal. If the government says that the temperature in your apartment, equal to +5⁰, identifies itself as +30⁰, you should respect this feature of it and call it that way. Toxic thermophiles will be banned from social networks and subjected to obstruction. All who complain that they are cold will be recognized as frostophobes. Inciting hatred for the cold is now an extremist crime.

 

[blue_hurricanger]

Sad to realize that only small part of people understand real problem natural resources.

Also sad many politicians don't understand it either. The focus has been on CO₂ and the climate for a long time, up to the point of storing CO₂ underground. But none of that solves the supply problems, and I believe a shortage of resources is going to be a much bigger problem than rising temperatures.

That is why I advocate for countries to go nuclear. Starting with at least half of the total electricity needs come from nuclear power plants. The rest can be filled with hydro dams, renewable energy, and other fossil fuel dependence. If you're from countries with a winter season, the effect of being less dependent on fossil fuel for electricity around the world help to lower the price of coal, natural gas, LNG, propane,... which are very efficient for the heating needs.

Of course, nuclear power has been heavily propagandized by the oil cartels, to keep it at bay because of their greed. We saw oil cartel's propaganda under the guide of how to reduce CO2 emissions only, on renewable energy only because the oil cartels know things like that will never threaten their business.

[STT]

Willow are the fastest growing trees but even that will take 3 to 4 years for a proper stock cycle, I would estimate 2 years for emergency type turn around with reduced timber so unfortunately all these plans have come a bit late.    Its going to be the case that Germany requires a plan on every type of energy and between all those alternatives a solution is found plus we hope the winter is less harsh then originally feared.

[BRINIRHA]

It seems that firewood has indeed become an alternative for some citizens. but they have to think about environmental factors and how so that when they take firewood it doesn't damage the environment. They have to study the tree ecosystem and choose which timber trees are fast growing and which are not. what worries me is that today there is not as much green forest as it used to be. even in every country the forest area continues to narrow. because many are dismantled and used as industrial land or residential land or the like. even the forests that still exist are sometimes cut down without being replanted. awareness of nature seems to have decreased in various countries in this hemisphere.

[Sithara007]

Just remember that Russia hasn't exporting natural gas to Europe completely. The Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod pipeline is still transporting gas from Russia to Europe through Ukraine (although at a reduced capacity). I am not sure for how long this will continue, but for now EU should thank Russia for whatever gas they are getting. BTW, the gas prices are so high that Russia will get the same amount of profit even if they sell 5% of the volumes that they sold in 2020. And I am sure that they are selling much more than that. 

[pooya87]

How about using "Korsi"?



This is an Iranian traditional way of getting warm in at least a hundred years ago when there were no gas pipelines all throughout the country. Basically in addition to a fireplace, our ancestors used to go under these things to remain warm.
The benefit is that it is pretty cheap while efficient since you don't need to burn wood. It can also be used anywhere without needing a "fireplace".

It's pretty simple and you can build it yourself. It consists of 4 main parts:
1. Table
It's a pretty simple 4 leg wooden table, depending on the number of people it could be of any size but usually a medium size table would work since the actual bigger space is provided by the big ass blanket like the picture below. The height shouldn't be enough to have enough space between the heat source and the ceiling.

2. Blanket
It needs to be big so that multiple people can go under it around the table and it needs to be thick to not let the heat out.


The size is flexible depending on the number of people or if for example you live in a tiny apartment:


3. A cover
Usually a simple pretty cloth is thrown over the blanket, to prevent it from getting dirty considering that food and snacks were placed on Korsi.

4. Heat source
The modern versions used for nostalgic purposes use electric heater but since we are talking about high energy costs and burning wood, the old traditional "brazier" should be used here.
It's usually a "metal container" to hold the red hot charcoal and it is placed under the table at the middle, usually in a hole at the bottom or dangling from the ceiling.
Considering charcoal is cheap and you don't need to exactly burn it like firewood so you don't need to use much of it. A handful should suffice to keep you warm.


There is a trick to increase efficiency which is to cover the bottom of the brazier with ash and place the charcoals in the middle.

P.S. Be careful not to burn your place down

[bakasabo]

How about using "Korsi"?



This is an Iranian traditional way of getting warm in at least a hundred years ago when there were no gas pipelines all throughout the country. Basically in addition to a fireplace, our ancestors used to go under these things to remain warm.

P.S. Be careful not to burn your place down

Traditional - that is the problem. I doubt that a newbie European is able to install Korsi properly based on YouTube videos. Without experience, people could not only burn their place down, but also die from poisonous carbon monoxide. People are used to "switch something on" and forget about it. They will most probably start a fire place at home, forget about ventilation (not to lose warmth), go to sleep and never wake up.

[LoyceV]

for now EU should thank Russia for whatever gas they are getting.

For now Russia should thank EU for getting more money than ever!

the gas prices are so high that Russia will get the same amount of profit even if they sell 5% of the volumes that they sold in 2020. And I am sure that they are selling much more than that.

EU plans to implement a price cap on Russian gas, but only starting December 5. And I don't expect the cap to be at normal prices, which would mean a 95% reduction from what we're currently paying. So EU will keep paying more money for less gas. Talk about backfiring!

[Sithara007]

EU plans to implement a price cap on Russian gas, but only starting December 5. And I don't expect the cap to be at normal prices, which would mean a 95% reduction from what we're currently paying. So EU will keep paying more money for less gas. Talk about backfiring!

I am a bit confused. I thought that by December the EU will completely stop importing gas from Russia. And the so called "price cap" is for the crude oil exports from Russia and not for gas (pipeline and LNG). And the price cap is to be implemented by non-EU countries who import Russian fuel, but China has already announced that they will not impose this limit. India has remained uncommitted, and may or may not agree to a cap. But the Russian government has already made their plans clear. No Russian fuel for countries that impose the price cap. So in case India impose this limit, then they will not get any imports from Russia.

Americans can easily put an end to this torture. The government can ask the shale oil/gas producers to increase their production. But then, why should they do that? American gas and oil companies are swimming in cash from their exports to the EU. It is beneficial for them to keep the prices high. We are just focusing on Russia profiting from the increased gas price, but no one wants to talk about how much profit the Americans are making.

[Betwrong]

Germany shouldn't have shut down their Nuclear power plants. Tin-foil hats on, but sometimes I believe that the governments around Europe are infiltrated by "its enemies" and cause their leaders to make very stupid policies. Because why did Germany allow themselves to be dependent on Russian gas?~

That is right, rather they should have built more of them. Just look at this answer provided by Google:



"Have no fear of atomic energy", as Bob Marley said in his "Redemption Song". But seriously, it's true. And yes, the fear of it is irrational, and it is advantageous to those who want others to be dependent on dirty energy sources like gas, oil and coal. This needs to come to an end.

[LoyceV]

I am a bit confused. I thought that by December the EU will completely stop importing gas from Russia. And the so called "price cap" is for the crude oil exports from Russia and not for gas (pipeline and LNG). And the price cap is to be implemented by non-EU countries who import Russian fuel, but China has already announced that they will not impose this limit. India has remained uncommitted, and may or may not agree to a cap. But the Russian government has already made their plans clear. No Russian fuel for countries that impose the price cap. So in case India impose this limit, then they will not get any imports from Russia.

As far as I know, Russian coal is banned in EU already. Russian oil will be banned in December, and Russian gas is still allowed because we can't go without it.
I don't think EU has the power to force other countries to obey a price cap, although collectively it would be great! We should do the same on OPEC countries too, but unfortunately that's not how markets work. If we offer less, someone else will buy it and we get nothing.

[pooya87]

I don't think EU has the power to force other countries to obey a price cap, although collectively it would be great! We should do the same on OPEC countries too, but unfortunately that's not how markets work. If we offer less, someone else will buy it and we get nothing.

I wonder how successful this can be even if they could force others to obey. I've never heard of the customer setting the price instead of the producer. It's like going to a grocery store and demanding to pay less than what the total was.

Same with oil, OPEC consists of producers not consumers and they decide the price. If they are pressured they could simply "shock" the market and increase the price if they wanted to. They've been doing it over the past couple of months, and we know how a simple decision like the recent OPEC+ small 100k bpd reduction (out of 3 million) affects the price (oil jumped up 3%).

[LoyceV]

I wonder how successful this can be even if they could force others to obey. I've never heard of the customer setting the price instead of the producer. It's like going to a grocery store and demanding to pay less than what the total was.

If all customers decide to pay no more than a certain amount, the store can either lower prices, or keep their products.

Same with oil, OPEC consists of producers not consumers and they decide the price.

You're wrong there: OPEC doesn't decide the price. OPEC decides how much they're willing to sell. Depending on the amount, the market decides the price.

If they are pressured they could simply "shock" the market and increase the price if they wanted to.

They could. But if nobody is willing to pay that price, both sides have a problem. OPEC needs the oil money as much as the rest of the world needs the oil.
Prices are based on scarcity. If energy prices go up tenfold, the demand gets only slightly less in the short term. In the long term, people will find alternatives, and that's why OPEC can't sustain a very high price for a long time. Natural gas is the same: we depend on it because it was cheap.

[pooya87]

If all customers decide to pay no more than a certain amount, the store can either lower prices, or keep their products.

That only works with products that the customer can live without.

You're wrong there: OPEC doesn't decide the price. OPEC decides how much they're willing to sell. Depending on the amount, the market decides the price.

That's the same thing. Controlling the supply is one way to control the price.
I don't know the reliability of these stats but they say currently there is about 103.5 mbpd demand for oil while there is only about 96 mbpd being produced. Part of it is because they are intentionally keeping the supply low.

They could. But if nobody is willing to pay that price, both sides have a problem. OPEC needs the oil money as much as the rest of the world needs the oil.

That's a good point but again the same problem with demand comes up. Even if they succeed in forcing everyone in EU to not buy oil (or gas), others will still continue to buy it happily. For example India has been increasing their demand consistently and it is almost back up to pre-pandemic levels despite the price rise. Same with China and some others.

With that in mind what is the private sector going to do in EU? Are they going to keep their money in EU or will they take it elsewhere?
For example will the car industry remain alive in Germany assuming they stop buying energy from Russia because it is being sold to them at a price higher than what the Union set? Or will they move elsewhere like for example India where they can still buy energy and at cheaper prices, on top of that have access to cheap labor and pay lower taxes?

P.S. The amount of money from foreign investors going to India these days is increasing which is why I use that example. Their economy is also growing while the Indian stock market has been booming ever since June.

[Sithara007]

As far as I know, Russian coal is banned in EU already. Russian oil will be banned in December, and Russian gas is still allowed because we can't go without it.
I don't think EU has the power to force other countries to obey a price cap, although collectively it would be great! We should do the same on OPEC countries too, but unfortunately that's not how markets work. If we offer less, someone else will buy it and we get nothing.

If a price cap can be imposed on crude oil, irrespective of it's origin, then it will be a great help to billions of people around the world. The cost of production of crude oil in Saudi Arabia is around $5 per barrel. And they are selling the same at $110 per barrel (including the premium over Brent crude). That is a profit margin of 2,200%. If a price cap can be imposed, then it should be imposed on everyone and not just Russia. That will boost the economies around the world, and will leave less money for oil producing nations to invade other countries.

[South Park]

What happens is that the Fukushima nuclear disaster that happened 11 years ago at Japan reduced if not eliminated completely the possibility of using nuclear energy as our main source of energy during the short term, those that have proposed the use of nuclear energy have dedicated a great deal of their time to try to erase from memory what happened at Chernobyl, and they were relatively successful, but once the disaster happened at Fukushima many people lost the faith they had in nuclear energy and thought events like those were basically inevitable.

And how many people actually died from the Fukushima disaster? There are only a handful cases of cancer that is directly attributed to the disaster, and more than 10 years have passed since the incident. Even in Chernobyl, the number of deaths stayed in double digits. Around 100 individuals developed leukemia, which was later blamed on the radio-active release from the nuclear plant. Now compare that to the 400,000 deaths resulting from coal-fired powerplants in India alone. And in both Fukushima and Chernobyl, the root cause of the disaster was mismanagement by the authorities.

FUD does not just apply to the markets, it applies everywhere and unfortunately nuclear power is very susceptible to it, and it seems we are about to see another round of FUD once again, the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant was shelled risking a nuclear disaster, both Ukraine and Russia blame each other like always but even if nothing happens, which is what everyone hopes for, this will be another blow against nuclear energy as this will show how vulnerable nuclear power plants are in the case of prolonged conflict.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/zaporizhzhia-ukraine-evacuation-russia-occupied-nuclear-plant-town-rcna46675

[be.open]

FUD does not just apply to the markets, it applies everywhere and unfortunately nuclear power is very susceptible to it, and it seems we are about to see another round of FUD once again, the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant was shelled risking a nuclear disaster, both Ukraine and Russia blame each other like always but even if nothing happens, which is what everyone hopes for, this will be another blow against nuclear energy as this will show how vulnerable nuclear power plants are in the case of prolonged conflict.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/zaporizhzhia-ukraine-evacuation-russia-occupied-nuclear-plant-town-rcna46675

These are horror stories for ordinary people who are unfamiliar with nuclear power plant protection technologies. The protective dome of the reactor is capable of withstanding a direct hit by a tactical nuclear bomb with a yield of several tens of kilotons of TNT or the fall of a passenger airliner. The storage of spent nuclear fuel is a little more vulnerable, but its destruction can only lead to local radioactive contamination of the territory of the nuclear power plant. The maximum that Ukraine can achieve by shelling the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant is for the reactor's emergency protection system to work and the plant to stop working. So far, Ukraine has achieved only that it damaged power lines leading to the territory controlled by Kyiv, providing itself with a shortage of electricity.

[Wind_FURY]

Any alternative with supplies will cost a lot more due to logistical problems. Therefore, a more likely scenario is the purchase of Russian gas in other countries, and according to documents, it will not come from Russia.

I don't think so - because of the same logistical problems. In order to resell Russian gas to the European Union in a democratic package, the intermediary must have some kind of surplus, and no one has such surplus now. Hungary recently agreed with Gazprom on additional gas supplies in the amount of several million cubic meters per day, which will come through the Turkish Stream - and this is perhaps all that the European Union can count on. If Hungary wants to share.

Wasn't Germany the intermediary before? I believe that there might be a conspiracy here. Tin-foil hats on, but the United States might have something to do with this. Because when Germany, the intermediary, has been importing more and more Natural Gas from Russia, they also started being less dependent on U.S. Gas. Isn't possible that the U.S. wants the E.U. to be more dependent on them than the Russians?

Yep. Germany was an intermediary and resold gas to neighbors through a virtual or physical reverse, but now this is in the past - Germany itself does not have enough gas in the conditions of the Nord Stream shutdown.

After reading more about the situation, and talking/learning about it more from smart people, I believe the U.S. didn't intentionally want Germany and the rest of Europe to be a casualty of the conflict. They wanted to use Europe, being the largest buyers of Russian Gas, to stop Russia from invading Ukraine. Biden thought it would be to their advantage, and they thought that Putin would surrender. But Biden never expected Russia's resilience in spite of the sanctions. What should they do now? The U.S. and Europe have no more choice but to keep going unless they swallow their pride and bow to Russia.

[LoyceV]

These are horror stories for ordinary people who are unfamiliar with nuclear power plant protection technologies. The protective dome of the reactor is capable of withstanding a direct hit by a tactical nuclear bomb with a yield of several tens of kilotons of TNT

Insert "not sure if kidding"-meme here.

or the fall of a passenger airliner.

That's several orders of magnitude less powerful.

[be.open]

These are horror stories for ordinary people who are unfamiliar with nuclear power plant protection technologies. The protective dome of the reactor is capable of withstanding a direct hit by a tactical nuclear bomb with a yield of several tens of kilotons of TNT

Insert "not sure if kidding"-meme here.

or the fall of a passenger airliner.

That's several orders of magnitude less powerful.

I'm not joking, after the Chernobyl accident, a tremendous amount of work was done to correct the mistakes so that this would never happen again. I worked under contract with nuclear power plants at the beginning of the 2000s, in particular with Leningrad and Kursk (they are similar in type to the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant), and I was impressed by the continuous efforts of nuclear scientists to create and maintain the highest level of safety. I don’t think that the Japanese have a lower level of competence in this regard, it’s just that in the case of Fukushima, they were initially unlucky with geography.

ps Tell the World Trade Center buildings that a strike from a passenger airliner isn't heavy enough.

[Sithara007]

These are horror stories for ordinary people who are unfamiliar with nuclear power plant protection technologies. The protective dome of the reactor is capable of withstanding a direct hit by a tactical nuclear bomb with a yield of several tens of kilotons of TNT or the fall of a passenger airliner. The storage of spent nuclear fuel is a little more vulnerable, but its destruction can only lead to local radioactive contamination of the territory of the nuclear power plant. The maximum that Ukraine can achieve by shelling the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant is for the reactor's emergency protection system to work and the plant to stop working. So far, Ukraine has achieved only that it damaged power lines leading to the territory controlled by Kyiv, providing itself with a shortage of electricity.

I'm not joking, after the Chernobyl accident, a tremendous amount of work was done to correct the mistakes so that this would never happen again. I worked under contract with nuclear power plants at the beginning of the 2000s, in particular with Leningrad and Kursk (they are similar in type to the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant), and I was impressed by the continuous efforts of nuclear scientists to create and maintain the highest level of safety. I don’t think that the Japanese have a lower level of competence in this regard, it’s just that in the case of Fukushima, they were initially unlucky with geography.

ps Tell the World Trade Center buildings that a strike from a passenger airliner isn't heavy enough.

Great to hear about this! There are close to 500 nuclear plants around the world, and what happened in Fukushima was a once in a blue moon event. If managed properly, nuclear power plants can provide huge quantities of low-Carbon electricity to the world. Just look at Europe. France is the only country where the energy prices haven't gone up recently. The reason is that most of the electricity generated there comes from the nuclear power plants. On the other hand, Germany shut down almost all of their plants and as a result the energy bills there have gone up by up to 1,000%. Now they are burning coal and firewood to generate energy. Very environmentally friendly options, I am sure.

[DrBeer]

In light of the gas theme and the theme of Moscow propagandists "the Germans are looking for firewood and asking to send them felt boots", I would like to add a little positive! Yes, yes, positive. More precisely - the deepest idiocy, which is the basis of the Russian world and Russian propaganda 
No, this is not my subjective assessment, this is reality. And so:
Realizing that soon the entire population will have to eat gas and oil in Russia, because. adequate buyers will not buy it, and given the next snotty hysteria of the "old rubber ass" that he "turns everything off everything for everyone", the Kremlin terrorists decided to make one last attempt ... And they released a masterpiece clip called " The winter will be hard." As planned, Russian propaganda directors and other idiots wanted to show the EU how they would freeze, look for firewood, etc. nonsense. The clip was shot as expected shitty, the song is miserable, well, that is, everything is done in Russian. But the most important point! Guess - what is the shooting location where the whole horror of life without gas is transmitted? Have you guessed? No, not a European city whose views have been superimposed with a simulated non-standard low temperature. Russian propaganda did not find anything better to show the degraded city, in which there are constant problems with the provision of gas and other systemic problems, and removed ... RUSSIAN CITY Krasnoyarsk!
By the way - you know that this rather large city, for the most part, is heated, not very well, for many decades TPPs on .... COAL! No gas in the most gas country!

PS. Well, Russians, lovers of fakes - how is Russian oil doing there? Have you already come up with recipes for sausages and potatoes from gas? Winter on the race ahead will be hard!

[be.open]

Meanwhile, in Germany, the first case of readjustment due to the energy crisis has taken place. Large toilet paper maker Hackle is trying to avoid bankruptcy. The star of the pandemic turned out to be too energy-intensive and could not withstand the rapid growth of utility tariffs. At this rate in Germany, it will soon be a problem not only to take a hot shower, but also to wipe your ass.

[LoyceV]

At this rate in Germany, it will soon be a problem not only to take a hot shower, but also to wipe your ass.

Is your own life so sad you need to convince yourself others have it worse to justify how you live or something?

[be.open]

At this rate in Germany, it will soon be a problem not only to take a hot shower, but also to wipe your ass.

Is your own life so sad you need to convince yourself others have it worse to justify how you live or something?

Your country has declared an economic war on my country, and we are on opposite sides of this barricade. Why shouldn't I rejoice as the vaunted German machine falls apart through its own stupidity? I will dance on the bones of German industry and urinate on her grave. So that you better understand the words of Otto von Bismarck "never fight the Russians." 

Meanwhile, the court of the canton of Zug (Switzerland) extended the moratorium on the bankruptcy of Nord Stream 2 AG operator Nord Stream 2 AG for another 4 months - now until January 10, 2023.

[stompix]

So that you better understand the words of Otto von Bismarck "never fight the Russians."  

Weird
Napoleon the third didn't get the memo when it beat the crap out of you kicking you out of Crimea
Katsura Tarō didn't get the memo when you suffered the first defeat of a European power by an Asian one
Wilhelm II forgot about it when it kicked your asses to Siberia in ww1
Józef Piłsudski probably was unable to read back in 1922

I love how your history starts with Napoleon and goes straight to Hitler, then forget the rest.

Is your own life so sad you need to convince yourself others have it worse to justify how you live or something?

That's what I was telling you about the so-called EUSSR, if you had lived truly under the USSR, you would know that this is the norm, the only times we were hearing stuff from the west were the ones when there were riots in the US and we had hours over hours of radio shows telling us the US is going through a civil war and victory was at hand, soon we will have two loaves of bread!!!!

Just look at Europe. France is the only country where the energy prices haven't gone up recently.

Seriously, stick to the gambling board where everyone can have as many opinions as holes, over and over you prove you know shit about Europe so how about you just stop worrying about others?
 https://www.rte-france.com/en/eco2mix/market-data

[DrBeer]

At this rate in Germany, it will soon be a problem not only to take a hot shower, but also to wipe your ass.

Is your own life so sad you need to convince yourself others have it worse to justify how you live or something?

Very accurately noted. This is a feature of the mentality of the representatives of the Russian world. Completely deny reality, invent explanations that it is not their fault that they did, but someone else ... And by itself - do not try to make life better in your own country, but try to do bad things to others and prevent them from living normally. This is historical, there is nothing to be done about it. Although Ukraine has found a correction option - now hundreds of Russians are being "corrected" near Kharkov and forever!
And now, having unleashed a terrorist war in Europe, violating all agreements, obligations, and having received a well-deserved punishment in the form of sanctions, they say that "... it was you who attacked us, this is an economic war against us"
It feels like the whole of Russia has become a victim of some kind of local, within the country, testing of new psychotropic drugs, but the experiment did not go according to plan at all

[Sithara007]

At this rate in Germany, it will soon be a problem not only to take a hot shower, but also to wipe your ass.

Is your own life so sad you need to convince yourself others have it worse to justify how you live or something?

Era of direct warfare is over. Nowadays, war is being fought using proxies and through economic means. When the Russian economy goes down, and the Ruble gets devalued, I can see a lot of celebrations in the Western media. I remember the wild reactions when the exchange rates went down to 1 USD = 140 RUR within the first few weeks of the war. Now the Europeans are suffering from sky high electricity prices and a number of industrial units are closing down. Now it is the turn of the Russians to celebrate.

[Davidvictorson]

People will suffer, even common people. There isn't a lot of timber in Germany. It will be gone quite quickly if people have to burn that to stay warm. Why should individuals bear the consequences of their leaders' decisions? People now pay more for energy than they do for rent, which is sad. According to a proverb from West Africa, There is a west African proverb that say, if one finger brought oil it soiled the others. It needs no further explanation.

[pooya87]

When the Russian economy goes down, and the Ruble gets devalued, I can see a lot of celebrations in the Western media.

That's one of many double standards that exists in the "West" and I'm afraid with the new world order we are going to see a lot more of it until the transition completes.

Now it is the turn of the Russians to celebrate.

That's just as bad though. It's the regular people in Europe who suffer and they don't give a shit about Ukraine, Russia or their own government and their policies. All they care about is stability in their lives. Which is why we are seeing increasing protests all around Europe for the past 6 months against their own government, European Union and even NATO.

[be.open]

When the Russian economy goes down, and the Ruble gets devalued, I can see a lot of celebrations in the Western media.

That's one of many double standards that exists in the "West" and I'm afraid with the new world order we are going to see a lot more of it until the transition completes.

Now it is the turn of the Russians to celebrate.

That's just as bad though. It's the regular people in Europe who suffer and they don't give a shit about Ukraine, Russia or their own government and their policies. All they care about is stability in their lives. Which is why we are seeing increasing protests all around Europe for the past 6 months against their own government, European Union and even NATO.

Why is this bad? Let Europeans take to the squares more actively, rallies, protest and storm city halls. Isn't that what European politicians wanted with sanctions, so that the Russians went to rallies and overthrew the Putin regime? If you don't like double standards, you need to be consistent about it.

[LoyceV]

When the Russian economy goes down, and the Ruble gets devalued, I can see a lot of celebrations in the Western media.

Don't confuse the media for the people. I'm not celebrating when Russian people are suffering because of sanctions. It's the normal people who suffer, even though they have nothing to do with the current situation.

[Wind_FURY]

Meanwhile, in Germany, the first case of readjustment due to the energy crisis has taken place. Large toilet paper maker Hackle is trying to avoid bankruptcy. The star of the pandemic turned out to be too energy-intensive and could not withstand the rapid growth of utility tariffs. At this rate in Germany, it will soon be a problem not only to take a hot shower, but also to wipe your ass.

A friend also told me that there was also an announcement that traffic lights would also go through a rotational black out? This winter, the joke about turning off Christmas lights as a means to stop the wasteful use of electricity, and as my favorite debate against "wasteful POW electricity usage", is going to become true. I believe for the first time in Bitcoin's existence, we will see the total mining/hashing power scale down.

[LoyceV]

A friend also told me that there was also an announcement that traffic lights would also go through a rotational black out? This winter, the joke about turning off Christmas lights as a means to stop the wasteful use of electricity, and as my favorite debate against "wasteful POW electricity usage", is going to become true.

EU no doubt uses this to push their "consume less energy" agenda. It's even weirder in that sense that many European countries have now lowered energy taxes or are even subsidizing energy for companies. High prices are a great way to reduce energy consumption, but also a great way to make voters unhappy. They must be torn between their ideals and their popularity

I believe for the first time in Bitcoin's existence, we will see the total mining/hashing power scale down.

Unlikely. Not much hashing happens in areas with high power prices.

[pooya87]

Why is this bad? Let Europeans take to the squares more actively, rallies, protest and storm city halls. Isn't that what European politicians wanted with sanctions, so that the Russians went to rallies and overthrew the Putin regime? If you don't like double standards, you need to be consistent about it.

Well, it's a conundrum.

On one hand we have western regimes that propaganda and attempts at regime change is among their smallest crimes. They have been on a murdering spree for decades around the world and have supported terrorism like US or have even become a sanctuary for terrorist cults like Albania and Sweden.
(We also haven't forgotten the chemical WMDs Germany made to be dropped on our cities in 1980's.)

On the other hand we have regular people who have no idea what is going on in the world or in their own country for that matter. They can't even point to Russia on the map! All their information comes from the propaganda machine that is brainwashing them every day in the name of democracy, while they work 8-10 hours a day until they are 65-70 years old.

The regular people are paying the cost as they are caught up in 3 wars (economy, food and energy) their governments started. Nobody can be happy about that.

[be.open]

Why is this bad? Let Europeans take to the squares more actively, rallies, protest and storm city halls. Isn't that what European politicians wanted with sanctions, so that the Russians went to rallies and overthrew the Putin regime? If you don't like double standards, you need to be consistent about it.

Well, it's a conundrum.

On one hand we have western regimes that propaganda and attempts at regime change is among their smallest crimes. They have been on a murdering spree for decades around the world and have supported terrorism like US or have even become a sanctuary for terrorist cults like Albania and Sweden.
(We also haven't forgotten the chemical WMDs Germany made to be dropped on our cities in 1980's.)

On the other hand we have regular people who have no idea what is going on in the world or in their own country for that matter. They can't even point to Russia on the map! All their information comes from the propaganda machine that is brainwashing them every day in the name of democracy, while they work 8-10 hours a day until they are 65-70 years old.

The regular people are paying the cost as they are caught up in 3 wars (economy, food and energy) their governments started. Nobody can be happy about that.

Perhaps you are right, ordinary people are not responsible for the decisions of their elected politicians. Even in the best democracy there is a gulf between the layman and the ruling elite.

[pooya87]

Even in the best democracy there is a gulf between the layman and the ruling elite.

It is worth knowing that those who invented democracy defined it as "convincing people that dogshit tastes like candy".

[Wind_FURY]

A friend also told me that there was also an announcement that traffic lights would also go through a rotational black out? This winter, the joke about turning off Christmas lights as a means to stop the wasteful use of electricity, and as my favorite debate against "wasteful POW electricity usage", is going to become true.

EU no doubt uses this to push their "consume less energy" agenda. It's even weirder in that sense that many European countries have now lowered energy taxes or are even subsidizing energy for companies. High prices are a great way to reduce energy consumption, but also a great way to make voters unhappy. They must be torn between their ideals and their popularity

I believe the probable consequences from the decisions that they're going to make from the current energy crisis will be more than just "for the votes" for the next election. If an equilibrium/balance isn't found, it could put their countries into a situation of chaos, and possibly anarchy.

I believe for the first time in Bitcoin's existence, we will see the total mining/hashing power scale down.

Unlikely. Not much hashing happens in areas with high power prices.

That's the point! There's going to be higher power prices everywhere during the winter.

[LoyceV]

I believe for the first time in Bitcoin's existence, we will see the total mining/hashing power scale down.

Unlikely. Not much hashing happens in areas with high power prices.

That's the point! There's going to be higher power prices everywhere during the winter.

I highly doubt it. High gas prices are still largely a local phenomenon in Europe. Americans may complain about their 30% rise, but I expect hashing power of new miners to go up enough to make up for the small increase in electricity cost to keep increasing the hashrate.
The looming worldwide recession may lead to a lower demand for energy, which can lead to lower prices. I don't dare guess how that's going to influence Bitcoin's price, but I expect the Bitcoin price to have a bigger influence on the hashrate than the lowest global electricity prices.

[stompix]

A friend also told me that there was also an announcement that traffic lights would also go through a rotational black out? This winter, the joke about turning off Christmas lights as a means to stop the wasteful use of electricity, and as my favorite debate against "wasteful POW electricity usage", is going to become true. I believe for the first time in Bitcoin's existence, we will see the total mining/hashing power scale down.

It can't be the first time since the first time already happened:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/crypto-miners-in-texas-shut-down-operations-as-state-experiences-extreme-heat-wave

And it was clear in the hashrate
From the start of June at 216.54 EH/s it dropped to 198.15 EH/s only to recover at full speed the moment the heat wave was over by growing to221.72 EH/s the last adjustment.

And you can read about that directly from riot:
https://www.riotblockchain.com/news-media/press-releases/detail/135/riot-blockchain-announces-july-2022-production-and

[DrBeer]

Everyone calm down, everything will stabilize. And oil and gas started a downward trend!

Dynamics of natural gas prices at the TTF gas hub:

[Wind_FURY]

Everyone calm down, everything will stabilize. And oil and gas started a downward trend!

Dynamics of natural gas prices at the TTF gas hub:

I believe it won't if Russia doesn't stop. The cause of all the destabilization is the effect of Russia's war against Ukraine, and the U.S.A's reaction with the help of Germany and other European countries. The next action by the U.S. and its allies to await for is if they declare a broad embargo on Russian oil, gas, and other energy exports. If you read history, what started World War II was an embargo by the U.S. on German Oil.

[DrBeer]

Everyone calm down, everything will stabilize. And oil and gas started a downward trend!

Dynamics of natural gas prices at the TTF gas hub:

I believe it won't if Russia doesn't stop. The cause of all the destabilization is the effect of Russia's war against Ukraine, and the U.S.A's reaction with the help of Germany and other European countries. The next action by the U.S. and its allies to await for is if they declare a broad embargo on Russian oil, gas, and other energy exports. If you read history, what started World War II was an embargo by the U.S. on German Oil.

The fact is that nothing depends on Russia. Believe me, what Russia is doing now is premortal convulsions. Russia has chosen for itself the path of an outcast country, this is half the trouble. But she is an international terrorist, and she will not be forgiven for this ... Remember "Greater Germany. Great Reich" ... But Russia is a pathetic parody of Germany of that period. The "Second Army of the World" is now running with tantrums and crap pants, throwing equipment, documents, wounded and killed, from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. There was complete confusion at the headquarters, there was no army left as such, capable. And a large territory, 100 million bodies degraded and damaged by total false propaganda, the weapons of the last century - if not greatness, this is a collapse ...

PS Also, I do not exclude that in the coming days, weeks, months, there will be an internal coup, I do not exclude that the military, the generals. It is their idiot Putin and his girlfriend Patrushev who are trying to make them guilty for the failure of the "special operation". And the generals will be glad that Russia is cut into small pieces, and they are put in these pieces as "temporarily exercising power." They will introduce external control, for example, the USA / Britain / Ukraine. And all the resources of "great Russia" will go to pay reparations, and will cost a penny.

[Wind_FURY]

Everyone calm down, everything will stabilize. And oil and gas started a downward trend!

Dynamics of natural gas prices at the TTF gas hub:

I believe it won't if Russia doesn't stop. The cause of all the destabilization is the effect of Russia's war against Ukraine, and the U.S.A's reaction with the help of Germany and other European countries. The next action by the U.S. and its allies to await for is if they declare a broad embargo on Russian oil, gas, and other energy exports. If you read history, what started World War II was an embargo by the U.S. on German Oil.

The fact is that nothing depends on Russia. Believe me, what Russia is doing now is premortal convulsions. Russia has chosen for itself the path of an outcast country, this is half the trouble. But she is an international terrorist, and she will not be forgiven for this ... Remember "Greater Germany. Great Reich" ... But Russia is a pathetic parody of Germany of that period. The "Second Army of the World" is now running with tantrums and crap pants, throwing equipment, documents, wounded and killed, from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. There was complete confusion at the headquarters, there was no army left as such, capable. And a large territory, 100 million bodies degraded and damaged by total false propaganda, the weapons of the last century - if not greatness, this is a collapse ...

That's simply not true. Russia is one of the largest exporters of Oil and Natural Gas. It's also one of the major exporters of industrial metals, and fertilizers. That's why the current inflation we're experiencing is unique because it's both caused by the demand side and the supply side.

PS Also, I do not exclude that in the coming days, weeks, months, there will be an internal coup, I do not exclude that the military, the generals. It is their idiot Putin and his girlfriend Patrushev who are trying to make them guilty for the failure of the "special operation". And the generals will be glad that Russia is cut into small pieces, and they are put in these pieces as "temporarily exercising power." They will introduce external control, for example, the USA / Britain / Ukraine. And all the resources of "great Russia" will go to pay reparations, and will cost a penny.

What's your estimate of an internal coup happening in the coming days/weeks/months?

Plus who in Bitcointalk is actually living in Russia right now? Is there support for Putin, or are the people becoming discontented by the economic situation?

[pooya87]

What's your estimate of an internal coup happening in the coming days/weeks/months?

Plus who in Bitcointalk is actually living in Russia right now? Is there support for Putin, or are the people becoming discontented by the economic situation?

Economic situation in Russia doesn't look bad enough to cause major discontent in my opinion but only someone who lives in Russia can answer this, the information that the rest of us (specially those who are from Ukraine) are receiving is mostly unreliable and propaganda coming from both sides.

[be.open]

Plus who in Bitcointalk is actually living in Russia right now? Is there support for Putin, or are the people becoming discontented by the economic situation?

I live in Russia, in the Urals (about 2000 km from Moscow). As for the economic situation, I can say the following:
1. Utilities (electricity, gas, heating, etc.) have risen in price by about 5% over the past six months. Gasoline at gas stations has not risen in price. Basic foodstuffs have not risen in price, there was a surge in prices in early spring, then prices rolled back after the strengthening of the ruble.
2. Significantly more expensive cars, a significant drop in sales, friends who wanted to change the car abandoned this idea.
3. Recently, the price of food for Royal Canin cats, which ate my cat and cat (British and Scottish breed), has noticeably increased (by about 50%). Many types of new pet food made in Russia have appeared on the market. I consulted with a familiar veterinarian, she advised a good domestic food, my pets approved of it. In terms of money, food is slightly cheaper than Royal Canin before its sharp rise in price, that is, my budget for keeping animals has not changed.
4. I smoke cigarettes from farm tobacco, I used to buy French paper and filters for cigarettes from Mascotte. Recently, they have also risen sharply in price (by about 50%), I switched to Polish filters and Chinese super-thin paper, at a price they are about three times cheaper than French ones. The quality of the paper is the same, Polish filters are slightly worse than French ones, but not fundamentally.
5. Apple equipment, which is now imported into Russia under the parallel gray import scheme, has risen in price very much. But there are options, for example, a macbook pro on an m1 max chip with a 1TB ssd costs about 800 thousand rubles (about 12 thousand dollars) in Russia, a friend recently bought a new unpacked macbook pro for 250 thousand rubles, which was made for the UK market and imported into Russia through the United Arab Emirates. Laser engraving of a Russian keyboard costs 1,000 rubles.

In general, the economic situation is stable, if some European goods rise in price sharply due to sanctions, there is a quite adequate and budgetary replacement. It looks as if Western manufacturers are losing the Russian market due to their own sanctions, and their place is being taken by domestic or Chinese goods. My opinion is that the Europeans believed too much in the power of the brand.

There are no protest moods in Russia, Putin has a very large credit of trust among the population. There is no systemic opposition in Russia.

[bakasabo]

Can someone please explain, why Germans are so worried about gas and are looking for alternative ways to keep warm this winter, but the rest of Europe, lets say Italy, France, Switzerland for example, are rather silent about similar problem. As if Germany is the only one who is dependable from Russian gas? Why other countries are so silent? They dont care or scared to talk? They have alternative to gas heating (doubt that)? If yes, could Germany take their experience ?

[be.open]

Can someone please explain, why Germans are so worried about gas and are looking for alternative ways to keep warm this winter, but the rest of Europe, lets say Italy, France, Switzerland for example, are rather silent about similar problem. As if Germany is the only one who is dependable from Russian gas? Why other countries are so silent? They dont care or scared to talk? They have alternative to gas heating (doubt that)? If yes, could Germany take their experience ?

To answer your question, you just need to look at the map of Russian gas pipelines to Europe. The gas pipe from Russia does not pass through France and Switzerland - that's why they are silent. The North and South of Italy end at the South Stream fork, which is now operating normally, so the industrial north of Italy is suffering from rising gas prices, but in general, Italy also does not protest very loudly (perhaps because Italy has a traditionally mild winter, or perhaps they are afraid that the South Stream will also be blocked if they start to resent). Four (!) gas main pipelines come to Germany from Russia, three of which are now not working (Yamal, Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2). The problem is focused on Germany, because Germany has the largest dependence on gas in general and on Russian pipeline gas in particular in Europe.

Scholz's statements that Germany is ready to turn off Russian gas is pure populism. Without Russian gas, the entire German industry will die as a genre (although of course the Germans will not freeze this winter). The complete abandonment of industry is the price of anti-Russian sanctions for Germany.

[bakasabo]

Lets take France as an example. In cities they use combined heating system, central heating and individual. Both are gas dependable (mostly), and electic boilers/heating (less). It is gas anyway. Isnt gas to France is transferred from Germany? Or they have switched to electric heaters ? Electricity is expensive as well now. I know how French people make protests (they burn cars, destroy shop windows, clashes with police and etc.). They are not as disciplined as Germans. They are about to be hit with high utility bills, but they are quite silent. I see that only Germany care a lot about incoming winter.

[LoyceV]

Lets take France as an example.

Let's see where their Electricity comes from: At the moment, they use 10% natural gas, 28% bio/wind/solar/hydro, and 61% nuclear (and I really like how they show live statistics!).

In Germany, the percentage natural gas is 14.6%. That's actually less than I expected.
So I guess the main difference is the percentage of gas France used to buy from Russia. That used to be 17% for France, and 55% for Germany. I'm not sure how accurate these numbers are, since Germany exports part of it again, but the difference is huge.

I know how French people make protests (they burn cars, destroy shop windows, clashes with police and etc.). They are not as disciplined as Germans. They are about to be hit with high utility bills, but they are quite silent.

That's probably why France quickly capped energy prices and government pays EDF billions for it.

[DrBeer]

....
Putin is so brave to have a girlfriend and he has no shame in keep that relationship.
Had that in our country - the society would have not let that happen. What is going in the world is a circus too and USA and Russia are two clowns.

Just a great idea
But even here you were deceived Putin has neither a girlfriend nor a wife, and he calls his daughters shy "Woman 1" and "Woman 2". And at the same time, for some reason, lately he has been talking about some kind of rubber ass
About clowns, too, past the box office, clowns are, for example, North Korea. And Russia is a terrorist country ... Do not come up with complex explanations for simple situations!

[Betwrong]

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In general, the economic situation is stable ~

This made me laugh. I read somewhere that Russians, almost the same as North Koreans, are living in their imaginary world that has little to do with reality, but this post of yours showed the extent of that illusion that even I didn't expect.

Just look at these graphs showing the impact of sanctions on the Russian economy:

(Sourse: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/impact-sanctions-russian-economy/)







Yeah, "the economic situation is stable", sure.

[be.open]

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In general, the economic situation is stable ~

This made me laugh. I read somewhere that Russians, almost the same as North Koreans, are living in their imaginary world that has little to do with reality, but this post of yours showed the extent of that illusion that even I didn't expect.

Just look at these graphs showing the impact of sanctions on the Russian economy:

Yeah, "the economic situation is stable", sure.

Glad you're having fun. That you are slipping me some kind of charts, I am telling you about my personal feelings from my own life and the lives of my friends. The 2014 sanctions following the annexation of Crimea were far more painful than the current ones. At that time, the ruble more than doubled against the dollar and almost all goods and services more than doubled in price, including the necessary ones, which cannot simply be abandoned. Now goods and services from the category of essential ones have risen in price by 5-10%, and some have even fallen in price, which is why the sanctions are easily tolerated.

People in Russia don't have to worry that they won't be able to buy food or pay their electricity and heating bills. Do you really think that I should suffer a lot because I can't go to the IMAX cinema or buy a can of Coca-Cola? This made me laugh too.

[jaberwock]

I read somewhere that Russians, almost the same as North Koreans, are living in their imaginary world that has little to do with reality, but this post of yours showed the extent of that illusion that even I didn't expect.

Just look at these graphs showing the impact of sanctions on the Russian economy:

(Sourse: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/impact-sanctions-russian-economy/)

>> snip <<

Yeah, "the economic situation is stable", sure.

Of course Russia shills will end up thinking like that, and the weird thing is that not all of them are from Russia neither. Soviet Union was an "idea", to go against capitalism and the liberal ideas that it carried and the poverty it caused which I can totally understand.

I do not like the system USA has neither, stuff like education and health and even infrastructure should be considered as governmental problems, so European liberalism is much better to me than what USA is doing, people dying because they can't afford Insulin? That is not acceptable. But at the same time just because you want to dislike USA doesn't mean that USSR did all well, and yet they do not see that part of the deal and go fall in love with the only nation who went head to head against USA.

[DrBeer]

Lets take France as an example.

Let's see where their Electricity comes from: At the moment, they use 10% natural gas, 28% bio/wind/solar/hydro, and 61% nuclear (and I really like how they show live statistics!).

In Germany, the percentage natural gas is 14.6%. That's actually less than I expected.
So I guess the main difference is the percentage of gas France used to buy from Russia. That used to be 17% for France, and 55% for Germany. I'm not sure how accurate these numbers are, since Germany exports part of it again, but the difference is huge.

I know how French people make protests (they burn cars, destroy shop windows, clashes with police and etc.). They are not as disciplined as Germans. They are about to be hit with high utility bills, but they are quite silent.

That's probably why France quickly capped energy prices and government pays EDF billions for it.

The problem with Germany is that one chancellor, a long time ago, sold out to the Kremlin, and since then, in every possible way, he himself, and having "connected" his "heirs" in his position, made Germany's industry dependent on Russian gas. Yes, in the total volume of gas purchased by Germany, gas from the country of a terrorist, in the total volume of purchases, is approximately 40%, and this part, which provides the industrial sector of Germany. You can check with the residents of industrial centers - even the infrastructure for gas preparation at enterprises is "tuned" to Russian gas. But this problem is solvable and Germany has taken the necessary steps to get rid of such vicious relationships and dependencies.

[trendcoin]

We are going through a very bad time as a whole world. The energy crisis was already manifesting itself with industrial development and population growth. The events after the tension between Russia and Ukraine accelerated the development of the crisis. Hopefully, what happened after the 1973 Oil Crisis will not be repeated.

Also, I read an interesting news today. Simonetta Sommaruga (Swiss Minister of Environment, Transport, Energy and Communications) has found a solution to the energy crisis:

THE MINISTER OF ENERGY IS CRITICIZED FOR THE LATE START OF THE SAVINGS CAMPAIGN
An energy-saving campaign launched in Switzerland has also been criticized after Energy Minister Simonetta Sommaruga advised people to reduce their electricity use in winter by taking showers for two, although “it’s not suitable for everyone after a certain age”.
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While many have laughed at the advice to shower together, a Swiss official says it’s a suggestion everyone should take seriously, claiming he has changed his behavior since the start of the resource-saving campaign.

https://247newsreel.com/trending/291255.html

The stock markets collapsed after the 1973 Oil Crisis. Something similar could happen if the energy crisis is not brought to an end without irreversible damage.

[Sithara007]

The problem with Germany is that one chancellor, a long time ago, sold out to the Kremlin, and since then, in every possible way, he himself, and having "connected" his "heirs" in his position, made Germany's industry dependent on Russian gas. Yes, in the total volume of gas purchased by Germany, gas from the country of a terrorist, in the total volume of purchases, is approximately 40%, and this part, which provides the industrial sector of Germany. You can check with the residents of industrial centers - even the infrastructure for gas preparation at enterprises is "tuned" to Russian gas. But this problem is solvable and Germany has taken the necessary steps to get rid of such vicious relationships and dependencies.

Wrong. Gerhard Schröder is considered as pro-Russia, but the dependence on Russian gas is not something that happened in recent times. The Urengoy–Pomary–Uzhhorod pipeline was completed in 1984, and the Yamal–Europe pipeline started operating in 1997. This was long before Schröder became the chancellor of Germany. And the first pipeline was proposed in 1978 and later the Reagan administration imposed sanctions on companies that were working on it. The German chancellors at that time (Helmut Schmidt first and then Helmut Kohl) rejected the sanctions and went ahead with the project.

[LoyceV]

I know how French people make protests (they burn cars, destroy shop windows, clashes with police and etc.). They are not as disciplined as Germans. They are about to be hit with high utility bills, but they are quite silent.

That's probably why France quickly capped energy prices and government pays EDF billions for it.

There's an update: EDF is asking French households and companies to consume less electricity, to prevent blackouts. And that's the problem with subsidizing energy bills: it takes away the incentive to consume less. Up until recently, governments would tax energy in order to get people to use less. Now they subsidize it, which is great for households but doesn't help the shortages.

I know the term "rolling blackouts" from California. Soon it may happen in Europe too.

[Sithara007]

There's an update: EDF is asking French households and companies to consume less electricity, to prevent blackouts. And that's the problem with subsidizing energy bills: it takes away the incentive to consume less. Up until recently, governments would tax energy in order to get people to use less. Now they subsidize it, which is great for households but doesn't help the shortages.

I know the term "rolling blackouts" from California. Soon it may happen in Europe too.

I am confused. Why energy prices are so high in France? As far as I know, the French get around 70% of their energy from nuclear powerplants (and I am sure that they have spare capacity as well). They are not very dependent on natural gas. So why the prices are going up there?

BTW, I heard that the government in Switzerland is threatening to imprison people, if they heat their homes above 19 degree Celsius in the winter season. LOL.. I was thinking that the Swiss are more intelligent compared to the other Europeans. Seems like they are not.

https://www.blick.ch/politik/gfroerlis-muessen-im-ernstfall-bibbern-heiz-suendern-droht-der-knast-id17851055.html

[pooya87]

BTW, I heard that the government in Switzerland is threatening to imprison people, if they heat their homes above 19 degree Celsius in the winter season. LOL.. I was thinking that the Swiss are more intelligent compared to the other Europeans. Seems like they are not.

https://www.blick.ch/politik/gfroerlis-muessen-im-ernstfall-bibbern-heiz-suendern-droht-der-knast-id17851055.html

That's democracy. Heat your home and they'll imprison you for up to 3 years and you have to pay a fine of up to 3000 Francs! And to think they started this energy crisis themselves...

But in all seriousness this is another evidence added that to the list of reasons I posted here about how Europeans claiming their storages are near full is most probably a big fat lie.

[LoyceV]

I am confused. Why energy prices are so high in France? As far as I know, the French get around 70% of their energy from nuclear powerplants (and I am sure that they have spare capacity as well). They are not very dependent on natural gas. So why the prices are going up there?

Without looking for further sources, I can think of 2 reasons: many of the nuclear plants were in maintenance, and the European electricity market doesn't end at national borders.

BTW, I heard that the government in Switzerland is threatening to imprison people, if they heat their homes above 19 degree Celsius in the winter season.

I can't read most of it, and I don't know blick.ch, but it looks more like a parody than a serious website.
Is prison going to be heated?

I'm just curious how warm the European Commission building in Brussels will be in winter. I bet it's not 19 degrees.

[bakasabo]

firewood has abundant stock and will never run out

Are you sure you know what firewood is ? Google say, that globally, there are estimated to be 3.04 trillion trees. How long do you think it will take to cut every single tree, handle and dry them? Maybe 10 or 20 years. Google say that it takes 30-50 years for a tree to grow up. And not every tree is suitable to be a firewood. Some tree just burn and dont give much warmth.

[pooya87]

I can't read most of it, and I don't know blick.ch, but it looks more like a parody than a serious website.

It is most probably an exaggeration or at the very least it is a rumor to act as a scare tactic to maybe get some people to reduce their energy consumption/wastage. Not to mention it is extremely difficult and expensive to find, prove and prosecute anybody who breaks such a silly law!

BTW the spokesperson for the Department of Economic Affairs, Markus Spörndli started this rumor or whatever it is... based on Federal Act on National Economic Supply that gives NESA authority to take "measures" that include fines and imprisonment to ensure supply of essential goods and services that includes energy sources, foodstuff, etc.

Chapter 7 Criminal Provisions
Art. 49 Violation of national economic supply measures
1 Any person who wilfully:

a. violates regulations on measures based on Articles 5 paragraph 4, 28 paragraph 1, 29, 31 paragraph 1, 32 paragraph 1 and 33 paragraph 2;
b. ignores a ruling based on this Act or related implementing provisions despite being notified of the penalties that may be imposed under this Article;
c. breaches a contract entered into on the basis of this Act or related implementing provisions despite being notified of the penalties that may be imposed under this Article
is liable to a custodial sentence not exceeding three years or a monetary penalty.

2 If the offender acts negligently, the penalty shall be a monetary penalty not exceeding 180 daily penalty units.

[Betwrong]

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In general, the economic situation is stable ~

This made me laugh. I read somewhere that Russians, almost the same as North Koreans, are living in their imaginary world that has little to do with reality, but this post of yours showed the extent of that illusion that even I didn't expect.

Just look at these graphs showing the impact of sanctions on the Russian economy:

Yeah, "the economic situation is stable", sure.

Glad you're having fun. That you are slipping me some kind of charts, I am telling you about my personal feelings from my own life and the lives of my friends. The 2014 sanctions following the annexation of Crimea were far more painful than the current ones. At that time, the ruble more than doubled against the dollar and almost all goods and services more than doubled in price, including the necessary ones, which cannot simply be abandoned. Now goods and services from the category of essential ones have risen in price by 5-10%, and some have even fallen in price, which is why the sanctions are easily tolerated.

People in Russia don't have to worry that they won't be able to buy food or pay their electricity and heating bills. Do you really think that I should suffer a lot because I can't go to the IMAX cinema or buy a can of Coca-Cola? This made me laugh too.

Well, it turns out that it's easier to name the brands that did not leave Russia than those who did. So, it's surely not only Coca-Cola and IMAX; it's Microsoft, IBM, Adobe, Netflix, Spotify, Intel, Nvidia ... it's McDonald's, FFS!

I know you can survive without all that stuff, especially if you are getting your energy from the fact that you are fighting for a good cause and some evil forces united to defeat you, but you seem too intelligent to believe in what Russian propaganda is saying. You know that Russian soldiers are not fighting for a good cause here in Ukraine. In fact, among all Russian citizens, it's people like you, who suffer the most from all of this. So, yeah, I'm kinda glad my words made you laugh too. You need strength to survive until Putin's regime is over. But don't worry. Now it's obvious that it won't take long.

[Sithara007]

I am confused. Why energy prices are so high in France? As far as I know, the French get around 70% of their energy from nuclear powerplants (and I am sure that they have spare capacity as well). They are not very dependent on natural gas. So why the prices are going up there?

Without looking for further sources, I can think of 2 reasons: many of the nuclear plants were in maintenance, and the European electricity market doesn't end at national borders.
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Wikipedia says that nuclear power generation in France has decreased from 379.5 TWh in 2018 to 290 TWh in 2022, since a number of plants closed down due to maintenance to stress corrosion (32 out of a total of 56 nuclear reactors are not in operation now). Électricité de France (EDF) owns the nuclear power plants in France and manages them, and is 85% owned by the French government. Even then, it is not a fully government owned entity, they can't insist on selling all the electricity that is generated within France.

[bitgov]

I am confused. Why energy prices are so high in France? As far as I know, the French get around 70% of their energy from nuclear powerplants (and I am sure that they have spare capacity as well). They are not very dependent on natural gas. So why the prices are going up there?

Without looking for further sources, I can think of 2 reasons: many of the nuclear plants were in maintenance, and the European electricity market doesn't end at national borders.
~~~

Wikipedia says that nuclear power generation in France has decreased from 379.5 TWh in 2018 to 290 TWh in 2022, since a number of plants closed down due to maintenance to stress corrosion (32 out of a total of 56 nuclear reactors are not in operation now). Électricité de France (EDF) owns the nuclear power plants in France and manages them, and is 85% owned by the French government. Even then, it is not a fully government owned entity, they can't insist on selling all the electricity that is generated within France.

Now there will be more climate change issue with this burning and cutting wood.
The EU countries are in sever trouble by putting the sections on the Russia. Russia hold the key to oil and gas so they have an edge. Ukraine got help from everyone and now who is going to help EU? The survival without oil and fuel is impossible.

[tbterryboy]

I can't read most of it, and I don't know blick.ch, but it looks more like a parody than a serious website.

It is most probably an exaggeration or at the very least it is a rumor to act as a scare tactic to maybe get some people to reduce their energy consumption/wastage. Not to mention it is extremely difficult and expensive to find, prove and prosecute anybody who breaks such a silly law!

BTW the spokesperson for the Department of Economic Affairs, Markus Spörndli started this rumor or whatever it is... based on Federal Act on National Economic Supply that gives NESA authority to take "measures" that include fines and imprisonment to ensure supply of essential goods and services that includes energy sources, foodstuff, etc.

I agree that it is a scare tactic for sure. If the consumption stays the same, there will be some heat or something found from somewhere, maybe it will be paid a lot more but it would be found. Humanity suffered worse and we came out fine and I feel like we are going to do the same thing again.

Look at what we lived during the pandemic period, that alone should be a proof enough that humanity could endure so much and still come out on top. That wasn't an easy thing and we still managed to find a way to survive and go on. Many people passed away unfortunately, and humanity lost millions of people to it, and yet the world kept on turning and we are here today.

[Wind_FURY]

Plus who in Bitcointalk is actually living in Russia right now? Is there support for Putin, or are the people becoming discontented by the economic situation?

I live in Russia, in the Urals (about 2000 km from Moscow). As for the economic situation, I can say the following:
1. Utilities (electricity, gas, heating, etc.) have risen in price by about 5% over the past six months. Gasoline at gas stations has not risen in price. Basic foodstuffs have not risen in price, there was a surge in prices in early spring, then prices rolled back after the strengthening of the ruble.

2. Significantly more expensive cars, a significant drop in sales, friends who wanted to change the car abandoned this idea.

3. Recently, the price of food for Royal Canin cats, which ate my cat and cat (British and Scottish breed), has noticeably increased (by about 50%). Many types of new pet food made in Russia have appeared on the market. I consulted with a familiar veterinarian, she advised a good domestic food, my pets approved of it. In terms of money, food is slightly cheaper than Royal Canin before its sharp rise in price, that is, my budget for keeping animals has not changed.

That's good for your people that basic necessities' prices are stable. The luxury cars, that can wait until the situation gets better. Haha.

Plus your cats are happy, that's good!

4. I smoke cigarettes from farm tobacco, I used to buy French paper and filters for cigarettes from Mascotte. Recently, they have also risen sharply in price (by about 50%), I switched to Polish filters and Chinese super-thin paper, at a price they are about three times cheaper than French ones. The quality of the paper is the same, Polish filters are slightly worse than French ones, but not fundamentally.

5. Apple equipment, which is now imported into Russia under the parallel gray import scheme, has risen in price very much. But there are options, for example, a macbook pro on an m1 max chip with a 1TB ssd costs about 800 thousand rubles (about 12 thousand dollars) in Russia, a friend recently bought a new unpacked macbook pro for 250 thousand rubles, which was made for the UK market and imported into Russia through the United Arab Emirates. Laser engraving of a Russian keyboard costs 1,000 rubles.

I believe it would be the best opportunity to quit smoking tobacco, you can save more money to buy Bitcoin.

The Apple products, you can also live without them, just like the luxury cars.

In general, the economic situation is stable, if some European goods rise in price sharply due to sanctions, there is a quite adequate and budgetary replacement. It looks as if Western manufacturers are losing the Russian market due to their own sanctions, and their place is being taken by domestic or Chinese goods. My opinion is that the Europeans believed too much in the power of the brand.

There are no protest moods in Russia, Putin has a very large credit of trust among the population. There is no systemic opposition in Russia.

OK, then the things I heard about a conspiracy against Putin might only be propaganda.

[Synchronice]

People in Russia don't have to worry that they won't be able to buy food or pay their electricity and heating bills. Do you really think that I should suffer a lot because I can't go to the IMAX cinema or buy a can of Coca-Cola? This made me laugh too.

What's the meaning of life for you? Just to work, eat, drink vodka and sleep? If that's the purpose of life, then I'd say: If homeless people survive in Russia in winter, then Germans will survive in Germany without gas and electricity. But that's not gonna happen, you know. We weren't 100% dependent on Russia. Maybe the winter will be taught for some, but not Unbearable. But the quality of life will still be much better for the average German than it's now for the average Russian.

Russia is a country that has a lot of resources and still it's pretty poor compared to others. Definitely, there is a problem in your country and among people because it's the biggest country in the world with 145 million people and still it's still poorer than Italy and the quality of life is very low, except Moscow and Saint Petersburg and these two cities don't represent the whole Russia.
Also, I want to mention that Russians are really well-educated compared to other countries but still, the average American gets a higher salary than the smart, hard-working Russian within your country. What does that mean? There is a huge problem deep inside the country and people's mentality.

I think that the problem is that your country invests most of the money in the military, it's also corrupt as fuck with high nepotism. I don't understand what's the point of getting more and more lands, you don't even use most of your lands, so what's the point to invade three countries in the 21st century? It amazes me to see that there are still some people who support Putin.

[Ozero]

firewood has abundant stock and will never run out

Are you sure you know what firewood is ? Google say, that globally, there are estimated to be 3.04 trillion trees. How long do you think it will take to cut every single tree, handle and dry them? Maybe 10 or 20 years. Google say that it takes 30-50 years for a tree to grow up. And not every tree is suitable to be a firewood. Some tree just burn and dont give much warmth.

Everything must be used within reason. Often the trees grow old, fall and rot in the same forests. Therefore, sanitary felling and clearing of forests is necessary. Such wood may well be used for heating homes, and the ashes can be used as a valuable potash fertilizer for the soil. Europe is now refusing Russian energy carriers and thereby freeing itself from dependence on Russia. At the same time, it is switching to other suppliers and has set a course for a gradual transition to renewable heat sources. At first, of course, it will be difficult until everything gets better again, but in the long run, Russia will lose big.

[be.open]

People in Russia don't have to worry that they won't be able to buy food or pay their electricity and heating bills. Do you really think that I should suffer a lot because I can't go to the IMAX cinema or buy a can of Coca-Cola? This made me laugh too.

What's the meaning of life for you? Just to work, eat, drink vodka and sleep? If that's the purpose of life, then I'd say: If homeless people survive in Russia in winter, then Germans will survive in Germany without gas and electricity. But that's not gonna happen, you know. We weren't 100% dependent on Russia. Maybe the winter will be taught for some, but not Unbearable. But the quality of life will still be much better for the average German than it's now for the average Russian.

Russia is a country that has a lot of resources and still it's pretty poor compared to others. Definitely, there is a problem in your country and among people because it's the biggest country in the world with 145 million people and still it's still poorer than Italy and the quality of life is very low, except Moscow and Saint Petersburg and these two cities don't represent the whole Russia.
Also, I want to mention that Russians are really well-educated compared to other countries but still, the average American gets a higher salary than the smart, hard-working Russian within your country. What does that mean? There is a huge problem deep inside the country and people's mentality.

I think that the problem is that your country invests most of the money in the military, it's also corrupt as fuck with high nepotism. I don't understand what's the point of getting more and more lands, you don't even use most of your lands, so what's the point to invade three countries in the 21st century? It amazes me to see that there are still some people who support Putin.

Russia invaded Ukraine, of course, not at all because it lacks land. And not even in order to protect the Russian-speaking residents of Donbass, although this is stated as one of the main goals of the military special operation. Ukraine relied on anti-Russia in search of its self-identity after the collapse of the USSR, a continuous and growing existential threat has emanated and is emanating from Ukraine for Russia. Look at the emblem of the military intelligence of Ukraine - it depicts a sword stuck in a map of Russia. It is not very pleasant to have such an aggressive neighbor at hand, especially when this neighbor declares a plan to join NATO at the level of his constitution. Why this conversation when you ask about the meaning of life? Moreover, it does not matter what your standard of living is, if you do not have sovereignty, if you are not free. Russia has sovereignty, but Germany does not. Germany is occupied by the USA. If you have a better quality of life than in Russia, then you are just a prosperous slave. For Russians, freedom is not an empty phrase and definitely not a bargaining chip to buy access to spotify with it. Think about it at your leisure.

[Xampeuu]

Russia invaded Ukraine, of course, not at all because it lacks land. And not even in order to protect the Russian-speaking residents of Donbass, although this is stated as one of the main goals of the military special operation. Ukraine relied on anti-Russia in search of its self-identity after the collapse of the USSR, a continuous and growing existential threat has emanated and is emanating from Ukraine for Russia. Look at the emblem of the military intelligence of Ukraine - it depicts a sword stuck in a map of Russia. It is not very pleasant to have such an aggressive neighbor at hand, especially when this neighbor declares a plan to join NATO at the level of his constitution. Why this conversation when you ask about the meaning of life? Moreover, it does not matter what your standard of living is, if you do not have sovereignty, if you are not free. Russia has sovereignty, but Germany does not. Germany is occupied by the USA. If you have a better quality of life than in Russia, then you are just a prosperous slave. For Russians, freedom is not an empty phrase and definitely not a bargaining chip to buy access to spotify with it. Think about it at your leisure.

I agree - many of the EU countries has placed themselves in trouble but following the direction of USA and not they have ended up in more troublesome condition.
All the countries were imposing sanctions - thinking that Russia will be kneel down infront of them but Russia emerged as more power sovereign state.

What's even more painful is at times like this, western countries rely on gas and oil from Russia as fuel to support their economy, on the other hand Russia is fully sovereign and self-sufficient, here it looks as if it wakes up a sleeping tiger, and after that where lies the responsibility superpowers that seem to regulate them, and finally the energy crisis and inflation are soaring, if this situation continues then the solution is to find alternative energy.

[Sithara007]

Germany is a country that have good resource, and economically good. This time it is suffering the worse with climate changes as well as more other financial difficulties. One amongst is the insufficient oil. This will make them think of moving into renewable energy production. Maybe this year the country will suffer, but in the future it'll be more effective as it doesn't want to depend on other nation for oil.

One of the reasons why the Germans are suffering right now is because of their push towards renewable energy. Under pressure from the Green Party, they closed down almost all of their nuclear power plants. During the 1990s, nuclear power contributed to around 30% of the overall electricity generation in that country. Now this has fallen to 8%, and the Green party wants to reduce it to 0% by the end of this decade. The most polluting source (Lignite) still contributes to around 20% of all the power generation.

[bittraffic]

Russia invaded Ukraine, of course, not at all because it lacks land. And not even in order to protect the Russian-speaking residents of Donbass, although this is stated as one of the main goals of the military special operation. Ukraine relied on anti-Russia in search of its self-identity after the collapse of the USSR, a continuous and growing existential threat has emanated and is emanating from Ukraine for Russia. Look at the emblem of the military intelligence of Ukraine - it depicts a sword stuck in a map of Russia. It is not very pleasant to have such an aggressive neighbor at hand, especially when this neighbor declares a plan to join NATO at the level of his constitution. Why this conversation when you ask about the meaning of life? Moreover, it does not matter what your standard of living is, if you do not have sovereignty, if you are not free. Russia has sovereignty, but Germany does not. Germany is occupied by the USA. If you have a better quality of life than in Russia, then you are just a prosperous slave. For Russians, freedom is not an empty phrase and definitely not a bargaining chip to buy access to spotify with it. Think about it at your leisure.

I agree - many of the EU countries has placed themselves in trouble but following the direction of USA and not they have ended up in more troublesome condition.
All the countries were imposing sanctions - thinking that Russia will be kneel down infront of them but Russia emerged as more power sovereign state.

What's even more painful is at times like this, western countries rely on gas and oil from Russia as fuel to support their economy, on the other hand Russia is fully sovereign and self-sufficient, here it looks as if it wakes up a sleeping tiger, and after that where lies the responsibility superpowers that seem to regulate them, and finally the energy crisis and inflation are soaring, if this situation continues then the solution is to find alternative energy.

They kind of shooting themselves in the foot.
It must be one of the dumb strategies to corner a country that is not just equipped with nukes but also its source of energy, why they did not think Putin will cut the gas supply is just a bad calculation. The war started and they all sanction each other.

But don't you think freezing Germans to death is murder?

[Wind_FURY]

Germany is a country that have good resource, and economically good. This time it is suffering the worse with climate changes as well as more other financial difficulties. One amongst is the insufficient oil. This will make them think of moving into renewable energy production. Maybe this year the country will suffer, but in the future it'll be more effective as it doesn't want to depend on other nation for oil.

That's true, Germany does have natural resources available that scale from natural gas to coal, but is it enough to supply their population's growing energy needs? Are the policy makers making the right policies to actually use those resources and be independent from foreign countries for their energy needs? I'm not trying to disprespect Germany, and people from Germany, but the answer is "I believe not".

[Synchronice]

It is not very pleasant to have such an aggressive neighbor at hand, especially when this neighbor declares a plan to join NATO at the level of his constitution.

Maybe it's not very pleasant for Ukrainians to have Russians as a neighbours. Were they or any post-soviet countries satisfied with being a part of soviet union? No, so they want to get away from but you want to keep them so the war has started. If the quality of life and other criteria were high in Russia, I believe your neighbours would wish to be with you.

Why this conversation when you ask about the meaning of life? Moreover, it does not matter what your standard of living is, if you do not have sovereignty, if you are not free. Russia has sovereignty, but Germany does not. Germany is occupied by the USA. If you have a better quality of life than in Russia, then you are just a prosperous slave. For Russians, freedom is not an empty phrase and definitely not a bargaining chip to buy access to spotify with it. Think about it at your leisure.

I think I feel more free in Germany than in Russia. When I was there in late 90s/ yearly 2000s when I was a kid, it was not safe there. There were a lot of drunk people in Moscow streets, Milizia was constantly stopping my father and mother and they were releasing us after getting some $ from us. And it was happening very often.
I have some good memories from there too, one thing to say for sure, there was a huge respect toward me, toward kids and children in overall. I was white and a little blonde with blue eyes, so when my mom or father was with me, they weren't stopping us or if they would stop and I would start crying or would look afraid, they were immediately going away from us.
My father is a very honest person and in Russia he was working as an engineer, but before that, as a builder. He was working with serious people and he was very appreciated for hard work and honesty. But outside of work, milizia was always trying to get money from us, can say the same on criminals in districts, so we were charged from both of them.

[af_newbie]

People in Russia don't have to worry that they won't be able to buy food or pay their electricity and heating bills. Do you really think that I should suffer a lot because I can't go to the IMAX cinema or buy a can of Coca-Cola? This made me laugh too.

What's the meaning of life for you? Just to work, eat, drink vodka and sleep? If that's the purpose of life, then I'd say: If homeless people survive in Russia in winter, then Germans will survive in Germany without gas and electricity. But that's not gonna happen, you know. We weren't 100% dependent on Russia. Maybe the winter will be taught for some, but not Unbearable. But the quality of life will still be much better for the average German than it's now for the average Russian.

Russia is a country that has a lot of resources and still it's pretty poor compared to others. Definitely, there is a problem in your country and among people because it's the biggest country in the world with 145 million people and still it's still poorer than Italy and the quality of life is very low, except Moscow and Saint Petersburg and these two cities don't represent the whole Russia.
Also, I want to mention that Russians are really well-educated compared to other countries but still, the average American gets a higher salary than the smart, hard-working Russian within your country. What does that mean? There is a huge problem deep inside the country and people's mentality.

I think that the problem is that your country invests most of the money in the military, it's also corrupt as fuck with high nepotism. I don't understand what's the point of getting more and more lands, you don't even use most of your lands, so what's the point to invade three countries in the 21st century? It amazes me to see that there are still some people who support Putin.

Russia invaded Ukraine, of course, not at all because it lacks land. And not even in order to protect the Russian-speaking residents of Donbass, although this is stated as one of the main goals of the military special operation. Ukraine relied on anti-Russia in search of its self-identity after the collapse of the USSR, a continuous and growing existential threat has emanated and is emanating from Ukraine for Russia. Look at the emblem of the military intelligence of Ukraine - it depicts a sword stuck in a map of Russia. It is not very pleasant to have such an aggressive neighbor at hand, especially when this neighbor declares a plan to join NATO at the level of his constitution. Why this conversation when you ask about the meaning of life? Moreover, it does not matter what your standard of living is, if you do not have sovereignty, if you are not free. Russia has sovereignty, but Germany does not. Germany is occupied by the USA. If you have a better quality of life than in Russia, then you are just a prosperous slave. For Russians, freedom is not an empty phrase and definitely not a bargaining chip to buy access to spotify with it. Think about it at your leisure.

Freedom in Russia? Where do you get your data? Russian TV? You are joking, right?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-index-by-country

It is easy for you to say these things living in Germany and complain about your adopted country.

Go back to Russia and complain about the special military operation or Putin. You will taste Russian freedom in a New York minute.

Russian freedom is dispensed with 9mm bullets in the back of the head.

[Wind_FURY]

Germany is a country that have good resource, and economically good. This time it is suffering the worse with climate changes as well as more other financial difficulties. One amongst is the insufficient oil. This will make them think of moving into renewable energy production. Maybe this year the country will suffer, but in the future it'll be more effective as it doesn't want to depend on other nation for oil.

That's true, Germany does have natural resources available that scale from natural gas to coal, but is it enough to supply their population's growing energy needs? Are the policy makers making the right policies to actually use those resources and be independent from foreign countries for their energy needs? I'm not trying to disprespect Germany, and people from Germany, but the answer is "I believe not".

germans were not always good. They built themselves.They are the nation of people who knows how to work hard and bring the dream alive.

They have great infrastructure and beautiful land.

Read my post. My issue is not with the German people, because like all of the other people from other countries, whether it's Ukranian, Russian, or American, they are all good, hard-working, and they love their countries. My issue is with the government, and their policies.

Plus "war-time economy" to start in Europe if the European Comission's proposal for emergency powers is approved. The proposal includes giving the government the right to "ask" private companies to expand or repurpose their production lines, https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_5443

[af_newbie]

Germany is a country that have good resource, and economically good. This time it is suffering the worse with climate changes as well as more other financial difficulties. One amongst is the insufficient oil. This will make them think of moving into renewable energy production. Maybe this year the country will suffer, but in the future it'll be more effective as it doesn't want to depend on other nation for oil.

That's true, Germany does have natural resources available that scale from natural gas to coal, but is it enough to supply their population's growing energy needs? Are the policy makers making the right policies to actually use those resources and be independent from foreign countries for their energy needs? I'm not trying to disprespect Germany, and people from Germany, but the answer is "I believe not".

germans were not always good. They built themselves.They are the nation of people who knows how to work hard and bring the dream alive.

They have great infrastructure and beautiful land.

Read my post. My issue is not with the German people, because like all of the other people from other countries, whether it's Ukranian, Russian, or American, they are all good, hard-working, and they love their countries. My issue is with the government, and their policies.

Plus "war-time economy" to start in Europe if the European Comission's proposal for emergency powers is approved. The proposal includes giving the government the right to "ask" private companies to expand or repurpose their production lines, https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_5443

You are barking at the wrong tree. The root cause is the fascist Russian government that started this clusterfuck.

Russia waged an economic war on the West as they started a genocidal war in Ukraine.

Right now, no sane country would want to depend on the energy supply from Russia.

Not only that, NATO is frantically preparing for the actual war with Russia.

Europeans will find a way out of this nightmare. I am not sure Russia will.

[Sithara007]

we cannot blame Russia alone for creating the economic crisis - not at all
One of the reasons of this crisis is this war but many other factors are added to the the situation - like covid, usa - afghan crisis - floods - famine

USA's pullout from Afghanistan was insignificant to the global economy, because Afghanistan has no major natural resources. COVID, even at it's peak didn't resulted in an economic recession. And the Russia-Ukraine war is having a limited impact on natural gas prices, but apart from that it's impact is also limited. Biden's win in POTUS elections of 2020 November has contributed the most to the global economic downturn. His stupid economic policies pushed up the crude oil prices from $40 per barrel to $100 per barrel and discouraged new investment in oil/gas sector. In top of this, the multi-trillion USD stimulus measures have contributed significantly to the rising inflation rates.

[bakasabo]

firewood has abundant stock and will never run out

Are you sure you know what firewood is ? Google say, that globally, there are estimated to be 3.04 trillion trees. How long do you think it will take to cut every single tree, handle and dry them? Maybe 10 or 20 years. Google say that it takes 30-50 years for a tree to grow up. And not every tree is suitable to be a firewood. Some tree just burn and dont give much warmth.

Everything must be used within reason. Often the trees grow old, fall and rot in the same forests. Therefore, sanitary felling and clearing of forests is necessary. Such wood may well be used for heating homes, and the ashes can be used as a valuable potash fertilizer for the soil. Europe is now refusing Russian energy carriers and thereby freeing itself from dependence on Russia. At the same time, it is switching to other suppliers and has set a course for a gradual transition to renewable heat sources. At first, of course, it will be difficult until everything gets better again, but in the long run, Russia will lose big.

Old and rotten wood isnt good for burning and heating. Such logs are damaged, empty inside. They are good as woodchips, to start a fire quickly. They burn quick, "produce" smoke and dont give any warmth. In most cases they are useless. They are like garbage, and in the end they will only pollute environment. Only softwood trees are suitable for heating. Oak, birch, alder are the best, but these trees arent on first places by speed of growing stats.

[Wind_FURY]

Germany is a country that have good resource, and economically good. This time it is suffering the worse with climate changes as well as more other financial difficulties. One amongst is the insufficient oil. This will make them think of moving into renewable energy production. Maybe this year the country will suffer, but in the future it'll be more effective as it doesn't want to depend on other nation for oil.

That's true, Germany does have natural resources available that scale from natural gas to coal, but is it enough to supply their population's growing energy needs? Are the policy makers making the right policies to actually use those resources and be independent from foreign countries for their energy needs? I'm not trying to disprespect Germany, and people from Germany, but the answer is "I believe not".

germans were not always good. They built themselves.They are the nation of people who knows how to work hard and bring the dream alive.

They have great infrastructure and beautiful land.

Read my post. My issue is not with the German people, because like all of the other people from other countries, whether it's Ukranian, Russian, or American, they are all good, hard-working, and they love their countries. My issue is with the government, and their policies.

Plus "war-time economy" to start in Europe if the European Comission's proposal for emergency powers is approved. The proposal includes giving the government the right to "ask" private companies to expand or repurpose their production lines, https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_5443

You are barking at the wrong tree. The root cause is the fascist Russian government that started this clusterfuck.

Russia waged an economic war on the West as they started a genocidal war in Ukraine.

Right now, no sane country would want to depend on the energy supply from Russia.

Not only that, NATO is frantically preparing for the actual war with Russia.

Europeans will find a way out of this nightmare. I am not sure Russia will.

You're not trying to the context of my post ser. You say, "Russia waged an economic war". Yes, but that fault is not on the Russian people. It's obviously on the Russian government. Everything about the current crisis in Europe is on the government, from BOTH sides of the economic war. The people, Russian, Ukrainian, German and those from other European countries have merely become the casualties.

[DrBeer]

Somehow surprising, but the second day, pro-Russian propagandists, everywhere and even here, fell silent. What a successful mobilization of "consumables" does! Just a miracle! Now there is no time to write about the greatness of Russia, and about the problems of Germany, now there is only one problem - to hide from the prize in the miserable army of the terrorist country ))) This is the whole of Russia - its "exaggerated" greatness, the same exaggerated "heroism", "strength", "powerful economy" - as soon as a real, even a small problem appears, everything collapses like a house of cards. And what is important - all those who yesterday wanted to turn the United States, the EU and Ukraine into radioactive ashes, and promised to punish and destroy everyone, when they got a real chance to take up arms and go to war for the idiotic goals of the "Kremlin rubber ass" - massively cowardly whined and sleeping under the bed

[be.open]

Somehow surprising, but the second day, pro-Russian propagandists, everywhere and even here, fell silent. What a successful mobilization of "consumables" does! Just a miracle! Now there is no time to write about the greatness of Russia, and about the problems of Germany, now there is only one problem - to hide from the prize in the miserable army of the terrorist country ))) This is the whole of Russia - its "exaggerated" greatness, the same exaggerated "heroism", "strength", "powerful economy" - as soon as a real, even a small problem appears, everything collapses like a house of cards. And what is important - all those who yesterday wanted to turn the United States, the EU and Ukraine into radioactive ashes, and promised to punish and destroy everyone, when they got a real chance to take up arms and go to war for the idiotic goals of the "Kremlin rubber ass" - massively cowardly whined and sleeping under the bed

What to say? I do not understand how the partial mobilization announced in Russia is connected with firewood in Germany.

If I remain silent for too long, then I have changed the keyboard to a Kalashnikov assault rifle and went on a Ukrainian safari.

[DrBeer]

Somehow surprising, but the second day, pro-Russian propagandists, everywhere and even here, fell silent. What a successful mobilization of "consumables" does! Just a miracle! Now there is no time to write about the greatness of Russia, and about the problems of Germany, now there is only one problem - to hide from the prize in the miserable army of the terrorist country ))) This is the whole of Russia - its "exaggerated" greatness, the same exaggerated "heroism", "strength", "powerful economy" - as soon as a real, even a small problem appears, everything collapses like a house of cards. And what is important - all those who yesterday wanted to turn the United States, the EU and Ukraine into radioactive ashes, and promised to punish and destroy everyone, when they got a real chance to take up arms and go to war for the idiotic goals of the "Kremlin rubber ass" - massively cowardly whined and sleeping under the bed

What to say? I do not understand how the partial mobilization announced in Russia is connected with firewood in Germany.

If I remain silent for too long, then I have changed the keyboard to a Kalashnikov assault rifle and went on a Ukrainian safari.

A great example of what they call "turn on the fool"

Most of the carriers of fake Russian propaganda went silent, carrying the themes: "without racist gas, everyone will freeze", "Germans will be heated with firewood", "Europe will end without Russian resources" And the connection is direct - you need to hide somewhere away from civilization in order not to get a summons to the army
By the way, I see you have not been called, yet! But there will be a chance, definitely - after all, we know very well that 300 thousand "partial mobilization of one-time Russians" is only a part of the general plan of 1.2 million bodies by the end of 2023
To be honest, I will miss you, with your sparkling humor about the greatness of Russia and, of course, about gas and oil

[be.open]

Somehow surprising, but the second day, pro-Russian propagandists, everywhere and even here, fell silent. What a successful mobilization of "consumables" does! Just a miracle! Now there is no time to write about the greatness of Russia, and about the problems of Germany, now there is only one problem - to hide from the prize in the miserable army of the terrorist country ))) This is the whole of Russia - its "exaggerated" greatness, the same exaggerated "heroism", "strength", "powerful economy" - as soon as a real, even a small problem appears, everything collapses like a house of cards. And what is important - all those who yesterday wanted to turn the United States, the EU and Ukraine into radioactive ashes, and promised to punish and destroy everyone, when they got a real chance to take up arms and go to war for the idiotic goals of the "Kremlin rubber ass" - massively cowardly whined and sleeping under the bed

What to say? I do not understand how the partial mobilization announced in Russia is connected with firewood in Germany.

If I remain silent for too long, then I have changed the keyboard to a Kalashnikov assault rifle and went on a Ukrainian safari.

A great example of what they call "turn on the fool"

Most of the carriers of fake Russian propaganda went silent, carrying the themes: "without racist gas, everyone will freeze", "Germans will be heated with firewood", "Europe will end without Russian resources" And the connection is direct - you need to hide somewhere away from civilization in order not to get a summons to the army
By the way, I see you have not been called, yet! But there will be a chance, definitely - after all, we know very well that 300 thousand "partial mobilization of one-time Russians" is only a part of the general plan of 1.2 million bodies by the end of 2023
To be honest, I will miss you, with your sparkling humor about the greatness of Russia and, of course, about gas and oil

This is great, in my collection of personal achievements there is not enough medal "For the capture of Odessa".

[DrBeer]

Somehow surprising, but the second day, pro-Russian propagandists, everywhere and even here, fell silent. What a successful mobilization of "consumables" does! Just a miracle! Now there is no time to write about the greatness of Russia, and about the problems of Germany, now there is only one problem - to hide from the prize in the miserable army of the terrorist country ))) This is the whole of Russia - its "exaggerated" greatness, the same exaggerated "heroism", "strength", "powerful economy" - as soon as a real, even a small problem appears, everything collapses like a house of cards. And what is important - all those who yesterday wanted to turn the United States, the EU and Ukraine into radioactive ashes, and promised to punish and destroy everyone, when they got a real chance to take up arms and go to war for the idiotic goals of the "Kremlin rubber ass" - massively cowardly whined and sleeping under the bed

What to say? I do not understand how the partial mobilization announced in Russia is connected with firewood in Germany.

If I remain silent for too long, then I have changed the keyboard to a Kalashnikov assault rifle and went on a Ukrainian safari.

A great example of what they call "turn on the fool"

Most of the carriers of fake Russian propaganda went silent, carrying the themes: "without racist gas, everyone will freeze", "Germans will be heated with firewood", "Europe will end without Russian resources" And the connection is direct - you need to hide somewhere away from civilization in order not to get a summons to the army
By the way, I see you have not been called, yet! But there will be a chance, definitely - after all, we know very well that 300 thousand "partial mobilization of one-time Russians" is only a part of the general plan of 1.2 million bodies by the end of 2023
To be honest, I will miss you, with your sparkling humor about the greatness of Russia and, of course, about gas and oil

This is great, in my collection of personal achievements there is not enough medal "For the capture of Odessa".

For the "capture of Odessa" Russian disposable soldiers were awarded black plastic bags. Not all true. Some Black Sea gobies and shrimps eat up

PS. But still, we will miss you. Honestly, I'll remember you as a cool opponent. Well, as it is customary for us to help our country in everything - please - when you are called and taken to the front, do not forget to put sunflower seeds or some beautiful grass in the pockets of the form

[pooya87]

Now because they were too eager to help Ukraine - they have created so much trouble for themselves. How do they see their decision?

I'm more interested about why Germany is currently helping the invaders. I'm not talking a bout Russia but Azerbaijan and the weapons they've been sending them over the past month to invade Armenia. Apparently in German policy invading another country is only bad if Russia is doing not when some others do it. LOL

[DrBeer]

Now because they were too eager to help Ukraine - they have created so much trouble for themselves. How do they see their decision?

I'm more interested about why Germany is currently helping the invaders. I'm not talking a bout Russia but Azerbaijan and the weapons they've been sending them over the past month to invade Armenia. Apparently in German policy invading another country is only bad if Russia is doing not when some others do it. LOL

Well, what are you like!? You know very well - Azerbaijan returns to its bosom, its historical territories, and the people support them and want to return to Azerbaijan. In the same place, the Armenians banned the Azerbaijani language, and they are oppressing the Azerbaijanis. This is a peacekeeping operation to save and protect the Azeri-speaking population 

[STT]

Every country creates trouble for themselves when they are unable to power the industry they require for a robust economy.  The politics of why and how it might happen they are vulnerable on the lack of energy is only a matter of when it will occur because there will always be a reason.   The whole of europe became lapse in not seeing they had failed to provide long term a strategy to have energy under every circumstance, doesnt matter the policy disagreements just that they can happen and its not reasonable for any country to be forced into being reliant on others to that extent.  Poor planning has consequences.

[DrBeer]

PS. But still, we will miss you. Honestly, I'll remember you as a cool opponent. Well, as it is customary for us to help our country in everything - please - when you are called and taken to the front, do not forget to put sunflower seeds or some beautiful grass in the pockets of the form

German are great people they have built their country from the scratch
Now because they were too eager to help Ukraine - they have created so much trouble for themselves. How do they see their decision?

Germany is a great country - it's stupid to dispute or deny. After the total defeat in 1945, after 25 years it became the world economic and technological leader. But as the people say, "the family has its black sheep." The only problem is that since the 70s, instead of continuing development on mutually beneficial terms, the top of Germany "befriended", and to be honest, sold out to the Kremlin terrorists. And then, to please their interests, Germany's energy security was sold to Gazprom. I am sure that the time is not far off when the "actions" of both Schroeder and Merkel and other high-ranking German politicians will be investigated, and we will learn a lot of new things from the field of political prostitution of German politicians ...

[Sithara007]

Germany is a great country - it's stupid to dispute or deny. After the total defeat in 1945, after 25 years it became the world economic and technological leader. But as the people say, "the family has its black sheep." The only problem is that since the 70s, instead of continuing development on mutually beneficial terms, the top of Germany "befriended", and to be honest, sold out to the Kremlin terrorists. And then, to please their interests, Germany's energy security was sold to Gazprom. I am sure that the time is not far off when the "actions" of both Schroeder and Merkel and other high-ranking German politicians will be investigated, and we will learn a lot of new things from the field of political prostitution of German politicians ...

Even before WW2, Germany had the best technology in fields such as heavy engineering and automobiles. The only drawback was that apart from small deposits of lignite (Braunkohle), they don't have any resources of coal, oil or gas. The ruling class found the ideal solution by forming trade relations with the USSR. Cheap energy imports from the USSR propelled Germany as an industrial power. If they were dependent on expensive LNG, they would have never achieved this success. It is plain and simple. German industries need cheap gas and they will never be profitable with super-costly LNG.

[DrBeer]

I watch a terrorist country, continues its economic terror, and for the next round of intimidation of Germany and the EU with tales of a "hard winter", it blew up its gas pipelines
Well, what can I say ... So much the better - the rest will be less likely to pay a terrorist country
It turned out that in order to solve the gas issue, in the most gas-dependent terrorist country, Germany, it is enough to launch only 2 terminals for receiving LNG! By the way, the construction of one terminal has already begun, the second one is about to begin.
Coming soon on all shelves of bookstores, the new bestseller - "Russia - the best practice of shooting yourself in the leg and other parts of your body"

[be.open]

I watch a terrorist country, continues its economic terror, and for the next round of intimidation of Germany and the EU with tales of a "hard winter", it blew up its gas pipelines
Well, what can I say ... So much the better - the rest will be less likely to pay a terrorist country
It turned out that in order to solve the gas issue, in the most gas-dependent terrorist country, Germany, it is enough to launch only 2 terminals for receiving LNG! By the way, the construction of one terminal has already begun, the second one is about to begin.
Coming soon on all shelves of bookstores, the new bestseller - "Russia - the best practice of shooting yourself in the leg and other parts of your body"

I see you habitually blame Russia for everything. However, here it is appropriate to ask the question "who benefits?"

Member of the European Parliament from Poland, former Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski thanked the United States for blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline.

[stompix]

If they were dependent on expensive LNG, they would have never achieved this success. It is plain and simple. German industries need cheap gas and they will never be profitable with super-costly LNG.

I wonder how Japan and SouthKorea were managing to catch up with others with only LNG gas imports, I don't see any Nord Pacific pipeline, I don't see any gas reserves near any of the and miraculously enough, SK matches Germany for example in steel production and Jpan has a 3 times higher number in tons. How the f is this even possible, it might be caused,well who owns, maybe even at these inflated prices most of the stuff Germany produce is in that high demand that the increase in cost will easily be absorbed by the market?

Something must be happening cause:


German exports surge to record level in June

Might it be possible that's because the eggsperts that have not ever set foot in Europe, nor do they held any degree or even basic education in economics other that one minute search on Wikipedia are wrong? 

[pooya87]

Even before WW2, Germany had the best technology in fields such as heavy engineering and automobiles. The only drawback was that apart from small deposits of lignite (Braunkohle), they don't have any resources of coal, oil or gas. The ruling class found the ideal solution by forming trade relations with the USSR. Cheap energy imports from the USSR propelled Germany as an industrial power. If they were dependent on expensive LNG, they would have never achieved this success. It is plain and simple. German industries need cheap gas and they will never be profitable with super-costly LNG.

Exactly. They built their massive economy on massive energy they didn't have, and Russia took advantage of it as much as they could for a day like this.
In a recent interview in German TV the head of the Federation of German Industries BDI, Siegfried Russwurm pointed out the increasing number of insolvencies in the country. 30% have already declared bankruptcy while about 60% have claimed to go insolvent this season. Only about 11% of the German businesses has claimed to have no issues! Majority of them claimed that they are going to take their capital outside Germany.

[stompix]

In a recent interview the German government pointed out the increasing number of insolvencies in the country. 30% have already declared bankruptcy while about 60% have claimed to go insolvent this season. Only about 11% of the German businesses has claimed to have no issues!

What a load of crap, another shitpost from the Iranian propaganda outlet.

https://www.destatis.de/EN/Press/2022/09/PE22_382_52411.html;jsessionid=A06A33829D3CB56733D6AEC7C03F5356.live712

Business insolvencies, 1st half of 2022: -4.0% on 1st half of 2021
Consumer insolvencies, 1st half of 2022: -20.2% on 1st half of 2021
Based on provisional data of the Federal Statistical Office (Destatis), the number of requests for normal business insolvency in Germany increased by 6.6% in August 2022 compared with July 2022. Their number had fallen by 4.2% in July 2022 from June 2022.

In reality, the number is actually lower than 2018-2019.

This is like the bullshit story of Germany running out of sunflower oil, in reality:

Davoud Fakouri, the president of Tehran Supermarkets Union, told Khabar Online this week: "In recent months the prices haven't gone up overmuch but, with the halt in oilseed imports, production of cooking oil has fallen precipitously. Cooking  distribution companies have essentially rationed it, compared to a few months earlier, we're receiving 60 percent less.”
He went on: “Because of the low supply, some supermarkets in Tehran have no cooking oil at all and some others have  barely any to sell. This will create more chaos and hurt people in the coming days."

Muhahahhahahahah, karma is a bitch, and she doesn't wear a face cover!

[DrBeer]

I watch a terrorist country, continues its economic terror, and for the next round of intimidation of Germany and the EU with tales of a "hard winter", it blew up its gas pipelines
Well, what can I say ... So much the better - the rest will be less likely to pay a terrorist country
It turned out that in order to solve the gas issue, in the most gas-dependent terrorist country, Germany, it is enough to launch only 2 terminals for receiving LNG! By the way, the construction of one terminal has already begun, the second one is about to begin.
Coming soon on all shelves of bookstores, the new bestseller - "Russia - the best practice of shooting yourself in the leg and other parts of your body"

I see you habitually blame Russia for everything. However, here it is appropriate to ask the question "who benefits?"

Member of the European Parliament from Poland, former Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski thanked the United States for blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline.

By habit, fakes and lies at every step are the genetic code of Russia, you don’t have to attribute it to me
But the statement that Russia is shitting everywhere it can, violating laws, treaties, norms, moral and ethical norms - this is a FACT that has already been confirmed many times. Can you refute? I listen to you carefully - I love your circus performances

[pooya87]

There are more people warning about the wave of bankruptcies in Germany every day.
The most recent one is the head of the German Institute for Economic Research, professor Marcel Fratzscher. In his recent interview he "warns of a wave of bankruptcies in German companies".

Just as I said before, the biggest challenge German economy is going to face from now on is bankruptcy and the fleeing capital since due to competition the products made inside Germany would be a lot more expensive than same product made elsewhere. Consequently they would either be forced to shut down or move everything abroad, in either case lots of regular Germans will lose their jobs.

Germany is a country with very energy-intensive economic sectors.
Because of the high energy prices in Germany, they [the companies] have to sell their products more expensively than their competitors
That is why Fratzscher fears that many companies, especially in energy-intensive sectors, will not be able to hold out.

[Sithara007]

There are more people warning about the wave of bankruptcies in Germany every day.
The most recent one is the head of the German Institute for Economic Research, professor Marcel Fratzscher. In his recent interview he "warns of a wave of bankruptcies in German companies".

Just as I said before, the biggest challenge German economy is going to face from now on is bankruptcy and the fleeing capital since due to competition the products made inside Germany would be a lot more expensive than same product made elsewhere. Consequently they would either be forced to shut down or move everything abroad, in either case lots of regular Germans will lose their jobs.

BTW, that will sink the European Union. Because after the Brexit, Germany was the main "donor" nation within the EU. Southern nations such as Italy and Greece are largely dependent on fund outflows from Germany. In case the revenue surplus vanishes in Germany, then in the long term EU will fail to exist. The model of richer northern countries such as Germany subsidizing poorer southern nations such as Italy will be difficult to maintain. Or they can survive by increasing the taxes even further, which is like a double edged sword. 

[pooya87]

BTW, that will sink the European Union. Because after the Brexit, Germany was the main "donor" nation within the EU. Southern nations such as Italy and Greece are largely dependent on fund outflows from Germany. In case the revenue surplus vanishes in Germany, then in the long term EU will fail to exist. The model of richer northern countries such as Germany subsidizing poorer southern nations such as Italy will be difficult to maintain. Or they can survive by increasing the taxes even further, which is like a double edged sword. 

Exactly. Germany is already dealing with a lot of problems, which is the reason for all the new round of protests and the Right wing and all the pro-Russians gaining support, etc.
Besides, all these "unions" and alliances are good for as long as everything else is fine but the moment shit hits the fans, it is every little country for itself. Shit hit the fan a long time ago which is why Brits started that whole Brexit thing. Countries are already forming new "groups" like UK and France are doing these days.

I'm curious to see what the New World Order holds for Europe though. For example will the Europeans go back to pre-WW2 dark ages when they had a war amongst themselves every 1-2 years?

[pooya87]

~
It is not the German only - it is the whole world which is dealing with so much trouble
Businesses are collapsing and industries are shutting - there is depression and despair everywhere.
And I don't see anything fixing in coming days.

It is not the whole world, it is most of the world and the severity of the problems is wildly different from country to country. For example the effects in Iran are very small, in fact our inflation has significantly decreased alongside the unemployment rate as the industries are expanding and a lot of new factories opened up this year.
There are others like this too, last I checked Indian economy was improving too with their stock market booming. Some small positive news came out of US too where they are trying to decrease unemployment and how they tried to decrease the domestic gas price to some extent after they blew up their LNG ports.

[Sithara007]

oil and gas producing counties are the one which survived inflation
like Russia survived inflation and sanction because they have oil reserves - even the whole EU turned against them they stood tall and saved their economy

This is one thing that I don't understand. The easiest way to wreck Russia was to lower the oil and gas prices by encouraging the American shale oil and gas producers to increase their output. But rather than doing that, the Biden administration has been hell bent on harassing the shale oil producers, by imposing more and more regulations and taxes. As a result, we have Brent crude rallying to three digit levels, and LNG prices going up by 20x. Now the US as such doesn't have much to worry, as they produce most of the oil and gas that they consume. But the impact is felt more for third world nations who import most of their fuel.

[be.open]

oil and gas producing counties are the one which survived inflation
like Russia survived inflation and sanction because they have oil reserves - even the whole EU turned against them they stood tall and saved their economy

This is one thing that I don't understand. The easiest way to wreck Russia was to lower the oil and gas prices by encouraging the American shale oil and gas producers to increase their output. But rather than doing that, the Biden administration has been hell bent on harassing the shale oil producers, by imposing more and more regulations and taxes. As a result, we have Brent crude rallying to three digit levels, and LNG prices going up by 20x. Now the US as such doesn't have much to worry, as they produce most of the oil and gas that they consume. But the impact is felt more for third world nations who import most of their fuel.

Biden consistently acts in the interests of the "green" lobby. The "carrot" lever in the form of subsidies, subsidies and tax breaks for the purchase of an electric car is apparently no longer effective enough. Therefore, in order to stimulate the transition of Americans to electric cars, you just need to make owning a gasoline car economically painful.

[DrBeer]

you can fantasize a lot about "freezing Europe" ... But it's better to look at "great Russia" to understand who is really warming up .... just a dream of freezing Europe

Real video, from real Russia, from real today. No, not Moscow, it's stupid to lie, but about 75% of the rest of Russia lives this way

https://youtu.be/oH4IAsXHgDI

"According to Gazprom's estimates, by 2025 gasification costs will almost triple the current total investment and amount to about 1.3 trillion rubles. / Vladimir Smirnov / TASS
The Federation Council (SF) stated the low level of gasification of Russian regions. With a country average of 71%, a number of regions do not even reach 20%. So, at the beginning of 2021, the Altai Territory was only 13.1% gasified, Andrey Kutepov, head of the Federation Council committee on economic policy, complained at yesterday's meeting of the Council on Gasification.
But the Russians are warmed by the fantasy that the inhabitants of Germany will freeze 

[Sithara007]

Read it online that Putin has floated the idea that Russia will export more gas through the Turkstream gas pipeline running beneath the black sea to Turkey and gas supply to the Germany through the Baltic sea's nord stream pipeline were halted. A cherry on the top - for the Turkey they are ready to do it.
Germans are in trouble as the winter is approaching and fuel supply is limited.

Putin wants to make sure that his allies in Hungary and Serbia are not left without gas during the winter months. That is why he is proposing to make Turkey as the gas hub for west-ward flows. With Nord Stream, the problem is that the landing point is in Germany. Hungary is thousands of miles to the South and Serbia even further south. With gas demand going over the roof, many of the countries are refusing to let gas flowing to neighboring nations. If Turkey establishes itself as the gas hub, then this issue will be at least partially resolved.

[pooya87]

This is one thing that I don't understand. The easiest way to wreck Russia was to lower the oil and gas prices by encouraging the American shale oil and gas producers to increase their output. But rather than doing that, the Biden administration has been hell bent on harassing the shale oil producers, by imposing more and more regulations and taxes. As a result, we have Brent crude rallying to three digit levels, and LNG prices going up by 20x. Now the US as such doesn't have much to worry, as they produce most of the oil and gas that they consume. But the impact is felt more for third world nations who import most of their fuel.

There are two problems here, mostly the fact that all these oil and gas producers in US are in private sector and the government can not really force them to decrease their prices because they are loving the high prices and wish for it to go even higher so that they can make even more profit.

Secondly is the fact that the quality of both oil and gas that US has is pretty low which is exactly why it costs a lot to "extract" and make it useful it too. They don't really have much to say in the international markets where high quality oil and gas coming from Iran, Russia and Saudi sources are flowing.

Read it online that Putin has floated the idea that Russia will export more gas through the Turkstream gas pipeline running beneath the black sea to Turkey and gas supply to the Germany through the Baltic sea's nord stream pipeline were halted. A cherry on the top - for the Turkey they are ready to do it.
Germans are in trouble as the winter is approaching and fuel supply is limited.

That looks like an attempt to break EU apart and into little unions. Possibly going back to pre-WWII era.
An important question is whether US is going to allow that to happen. We saw how they blew up Nord Stream pipeline recently...

[kro55]

This is one thing that I don't understand. The easiest way to wreck Russia was to lower the oil and gas prices by encouraging the American shale oil and gas producers to increase their output. But rather than doing that, the Biden administration has been hell bent on harassing the shale oil producers, by imposing more and more regulations and taxes. As a result, we have Brent crude rallying to three digit levels, and LNG prices going up by 20x. Now the US as such doesn't have much to worry, as they produce most of the oil and gas that they consume. But the impact is felt more for third world nations who import most of their fuel.

There are two problems here, mostly the fact that all these oil and gas producers in US are in private sector and the government can not really force them to decrease their prices because they are loving the high prices and wish for it to go even higher so that they can make even more profit.

Secondly is the fact that the quality of both oil and gas that US has is pretty low which is exactly why it costs a lot to "extract" and make it useful it too. They don't really have much to say in the international markets where high quality oil and gas coming from Iran, Russia and Saudi sources are flowing.

Another thing that makes me think of why the US doesn't want to extract or produce oil and gas domestically is about the environment, I think that overexploitation of mineral resources will harm the air in the place itself and their natural resources. Moreover, the current problem is not urgent enough to use their own resources while they still have many ways to promote the extraction of resources from many other countries. That is also one of the reasons why I think the US and other developed countries do not want to put too many factories and enterprises in their own countries but have to go to poorer countries.

[pooya87]

Can anyone confirm the price of wood in Europe/Germany these days? Someone said it has gone up to €‎350 (from $7) but I couldn't find it in the media.

[Sithara007]

Another thing that makes me think of why the US doesn't want to extract or produce oil and gas domestically is about the environment, I think that overexploitation of mineral resources will harm the air in the place itself and their natural resources. Moreover, the current problem is not urgent enough to use their own resources while they still have many ways to promote the extraction of resources from many other countries. That is also one of the reasons why I think the US and other developed countries do not want to put too many factories and enterprises in their own countries but have to go to poorer countries.

Ever since the Democrats came to power by the end of 2020, they have implemented a number of additional environmental regulations and the shale oil producers are not very happy about it. And this is one of the reasons why they are not very enthusiastic to requests to increase oil and gas output. I won't be surprised if the OPEC soon comes up with an OPEC++ grouping, including the shale oil producers. They already have OPEC+ (which includes Russia). If they can get in to a deal with Russia, then what is wring in coming up with a deal with the shale oil producers as well?

[Maidak]

Can anyone confirm the price of wood in Europe/Germany these days? Someone said it has gone up to €‎350 (from $7) but I couldn't find it in the media.

This is an image I found on my local social media and here is a picture of the price of firewood in Italy. As shown in the picture, the price of firewood is 349 Euro for Pallet 1 * 1 * 1.8m and this is the promotional price, the price without promotion is 400 euro. If this is true then the people of the EU are going through the most difficult times. If the price of firewood is so high, what will the gas price be like, I really can't imagine the price people have to pay.

[DrBeer]

In order to understand how Russia "goes out of its skin" in order to at least somehow intimidate Europe with the lack of gas supplied by the terrorist country, it is worth watching their official channels. Last week's masterpiece was a program where "happy Russians" in a "warm studio" had a video call with "unfortunate freezing" representatives of Germany, who naturally wrapped themselves in warm jackets while sitting in their apartments
This is clownery, as it were. But then the creepy trash began. The Russians began to smear the topic "how Germany accepted refugees from Ukraine, and how they got tired of it later." And they showed a herd of some unfortunate poorly dressed people eating something right in the middle of some field, on some outskirts of civilization. The sight was certainly sad. But Russia would not be Russia if it did not, according to tradition, do everything with its crooked hands!
As always Rosyain summed up their mentality and assessment of the audience. They expected that everywhere the audience is the same as in Russia - primitive, stupid, enthusiastically "swallowing" any nonsense and fakes fed some kind of primitive food Then an analysis of the faces of the "suffering Germans" was carried out, and a search was made on social networks. Guess the result? All the "suffering, freezing residents of Germany", for some reason, turned out to be residents of Russia living in ... in RUSSIA! Pabmmm!
Those. Russia gives out its wretchedness and backwardness as a desired process in Germany. But people live like this only in Russia itself.

I will not post a link to the video, otherwise fans of Russian propaganda, out of habit, will say "Holywood faked this" You can easily find it on the Internet

PS For the last 2 days, the country is a terrorist, shelling civilian objects in peaceful cities of Ukraine. In Kyiv, they are trying, with mixed success, to destroy the thermal power plant, the electricity network, and water utilities. To "lower Ukraine into the Stone Age." To be more precise - to lower the standard of living of Ukrainians to the standard of living of a typical Russian The terrorists will not be able to do this, we will not cope, we will win!

[kro55]

Another thing that makes me think of why the US doesn't want to extract or produce oil and gas domestically is about the environment, I think that overexploitation of mineral resources will harm the air in the place itself and their natural resources. Moreover, the current problem is not urgent enough to use their own resources while they still have many ways to promote the extraction of resources from many other countries. That is also one of the reasons why I think the US and other developed countries do not want to put too many factories and enterprises in their own countries but have to go to poorer countries.

Ever since the Democrats came to power by the end of 2020, they have implemented a number of additional environmental regulations and the shale oil producers are not very happy about it. And this is one of the reasons why they are not very enthusiastic to requests to increase oil and gas output. I won't be surprised if the OPEC soon comes up with an OPEC++ grouping, including the shale oil producers. They already have OPEC+ (which includes Russia). If they can get in to a deal with Russia, then what is wring in coming up with a deal with the shale oil producers as well?

OPEC++ is this your prediction or do you have any information about it? After OPEC + announced production cuts, which angered Democrats and according to some reports, the US government is reviewing its relationship with Saudi Arabia and will take measures as well as sanctions against this country. If this happens, the energy crisis will worsen and will push OPEC+ closer to Russia. Do you think it will happen or the US government has to give in to OPEC+ at this time?

[DrBeer]

Can anyone confirm the price of wood in Europe/Germany these days? Someone said it has gone up to €‎350 (from $7) but I couldn't find it in the media.

This is an image I found on my local social media and here is a picture of the price of firewood in Italy. As shown in the picture, the price of firewood is 349 Euro for Pallet 1 * 1 * 1.8m and this is the promotional price, the price without promotion is 400 euro. If this is true then the people of the EU are going through the most difficult times. If the price of firewood is so high, what will the gas price be like, I really can't imagine the price people have to pay.

Russia. "Great gas/oil/coal" country covered by 60% forest...

"... This year, our list of those in need includes 353 people (lonely elderly citizens who are in a difficult life situation) with a pension of up to 12,000 rubles living in the Tver region. The cost of one car of firewood with a volume of 10 cubic meters, including delivery, is from 18,000 to 22,000 rubles.

Here is the federal site... This is one small region. They have been begging for money for firewood for Russian citizens for 9 years

Do you think it's fake? Not ! Here is the site (https://podari-drova.ru/), there are reports "about happy Russians" from the Stone Age By the way, a lot of interesting things are written about gasification, officially. Read how Russia treats its slaves who don't know what gas is

[Techkoy407]

countries that are already developed and use natural gas as a basic need, it will definitely be very difficult,
especially in a country that has a snowy season like in Europe, it will definitely make people forced to look for firewood to replace natural gas,

but in my place firewood and natural gas are always side by side, so you don't have to worry about natural gas that is in short supply, because firewood is still used routinely from the past to save natural gas.

[DrBeer]

And a few more words about greatness and those who cannot live without firewood.
There is such a thing as "fallen trees" - these are fallen branches, leaves, sometimes the trunks of dead trees. So .. In one "very great" country, the local population, for many years ... it is forbidden to collect it for heating their homes Yes, yes, there is a full-fledged law where these slaves are forbidden to collect "deadwood" or a hefty fine or quite a noticeable term in prison. In the country which has "the most gas, oil, coal and timber"

BUT ! The king of all slaves, bestowed grace on his weak-willed, and granted in 2022 a law that allows you to collect deadwood for your own needs! Here is an example of real greatness in Russian - to allow slaves to collect branches for heating
BUT This is Russia - which means everything is done "through the ass". You can collect it, but it is limited and not all, and only where possible And the rest - to buy firewood. This is if there is money, which is a problem especially for residents of small towns and villages. And there is no money - sit in 5 jackets, enjoy the greatness of Russia and watch the news about how "Europe is freezing" 

[romero121]

This is crazy, Germany in its history suffering alot. Country with good economic situation all of the sudden experiencing hard days. Country is experiencing drought that have revealed ancient stones and ships that sunk in the past. Opposite side it is experiencing the oil crisis, where the need for firewood peaks due to the lack of oil supply. In some part the labour shortage that keeps the production low and lack of components too a major problem as the country's economy is much on automotive industry. Now few banks are at the situation of closing and given its users deadline to withdraw the funds.

[Wind_FURY]

This is crazy, Germany in its history suffering alot. Country with good economic situation all of the sudden experiencing hard days. Country is experiencing drought that have revealed ancient stones and ships that sunk in the past. Opposite side it is experiencing the oil crisis, where the need for firewood peaks due to the lack of oil supply. In some part the labour shortage that keeps the production low and lack of components too a major problem as the country's economy is much on automotive industry. Now few banks are at the situation of closing and given its users deadline to withdraw the funds.

It's because they shut down their Nuclear power sources, replaced them with renewable energy, which we learned is unreliable, AND they made themselves reliant on Russia's natural gas as one of their main energy sources. Currently, they might have no other choice and turn on their fossil fuel power generation facilities because it's the easiest/fastest to bring back before winter.

[Maidak]

This is crazy, Germany in its history suffering alot. Country with good economic situation all of the sudden experiencing hard days. Country is experiencing drought that have revealed ancient stones and ships that sunk in the past. Opposite side it is experiencing the oil crisis, where the need for firewood peaks due to the lack of oil supply. In some part the labour shortage that keeps the production low and lack of components too a major problem as the country's economy is much on automotive industry. Now few banks are at the situation of closing and given its users deadline to withdraw the funds.

It's because they shut down their Nuclear power sources, replaced them with renewable energy, which we learned is unreliable, AND they made themselves reliant on Russia's natural gas as one of their main energy sources. Currently, they might have no other choice and turn on their fossil fuel power generation facilities because it's the easiest/fastest to bring back before winter.

No one can predict the war that will happen, if the only person who knows this war will happen can only be Russia because they are the one who started it. The fact that the Germans completely shut down fossil fuel energy production facilities is because they are thinking about global warming. But things wouldn't be as serious or as bad as they are if they weren't instigated by the Biden government to punish Russia. I think the Russians themselves could not have foreseen a drastic reaction from the EU towards them and vice versa. The biggest beneficiary in this case remains the Biden government.

[pooya87]

It's because they shut down their Nuclear power sources, replaced them with renewable energy, which we learned is unreliable, AND they made themselves reliant on Russia's natural gas as one of their main energy sources. Currently, they might have no other choice and turn on their fossil fuel power generation facilities because it's the easiest/fastest to bring back before winter.

The problem is not about electricity to be solved by using nuclear power plant(s), it is all about the massive industries that were built in Germany which relied heavily on natural gas. As I've said before, they built their massive industrial economy on top of resources they never had which was the biggest mistake they made.
This is one of the problems of globalization (ie. interdependence). Each country should learn to rely on itself base on their own geography and resources they have not what they have to import.

[omone1]

The prices of gas has over increased due to this Russia war on Ukraine. Firewood is not a clean energy but if it's a means of survival it's okay, more trees will be planted but the people need survive. Europe should look towards Africa and Middle East for their crude oil, this they should have longed envisage.

[DrBeer]

While the Kremlin's propagandists and their supporters are moaning, squealing and trying with all their might to convince Europe that it will freeze and will not live at all without gas from the country of an international terrorist, the gas market shows a steep dive!
From 14/10/2022 to 19/10/2022 the price fell from 6.5 to 5.44

https://ru.investing.com/commodities/natural-gas

And here is the online chart.
By the way, Urals oil, the same terrorists, also follows down after gas.
Germany and gas storages:
August 14, 2022 - approximately 75%
September 20, 2022 - just over 90%
October 20 - Guess how many?

[Wind_FURY]

This is crazy, Germany in its history suffering alot. Country with good economic situation all of the sudden experiencing hard days. Country is experiencing drought that have revealed ancient stones and ships that sunk in the past. Opposite side it is experiencing the oil crisis, where the need for firewood peaks due to the lack of oil supply. In some part the labour shortage that keeps the production low and lack of components too a major problem as the country's economy is much on automotive industry. Now few banks are at the situation of closing and given its users deadline to withdraw the funds.

It's because they shut down their Nuclear power sources, replaced them with renewable energy, which we learned is unreliable, AND they made themselves reliant on Russia's natural gas as one of their main energy sources. Currently, they might have no other choice and turn on their fossil fuel power generation facilities because it's the easiest/fastest to bring back before winter.

No one can predict the war that will happen, if the only person who knows this war will happen can only be Russia because they are the one who started it. The fact that the Germans completely shut down fossil fuel energy production facilities is because they are thinking about global warming. But things wouldn't be as serious or as bad as they are if they weren't instigated by the Biden government to punish Russia. I think the Russians themselves could not have foreseen a drastic reaction from the EU towards them and vice versa. The biggest beneficiary in this case remains the Biden government.

No one can predict it, but Europe is in a higher probability to be in a war, and it might not only be vs. Russia. It might be  vs. China and North Korea as well.

The Black Swan, a Tactical Nuclear War. I believe that will crash ALL markets lower than COVID-19 Panic.

It's because they shut down their Nuclear power sources, replaced them with renewable energy, which we learned is unreliable, AND they made themselves reliant on Russia's natural gas as one of their main energy sources. Currently, they might have no other choice and turn on their fossil fuel power generation facilities because it's the easiest/fastest to bring back before winter.

The problem is not about electricity to be solved by using nuclear power plant(s), it is all about the massive industries that were built in Germany which relied heavily on natural gas. As I've said before, they built their massive industrial economy on top of resources they never had which was the biggest mistake they made.

Whether Germany built an industry that relied on Natural Gas exports or not, the fact that they turned off their Nuclear  power plants, and made themselves dependent on Russia is the main problem.

This is one of the problems of globalization (ie. interdependence). Each country should learn to rely on itself base on their own geography and resources they have not what they have to import.

Globalization is merely the narrative. It's those politicians that brought them in their current situation through years and years of careless policies.

[pooya87]

No one can predict it, but Europe is in a higher probability to be in a war, and it might not only be vs. Russia. It might be  vs. China and North Korea as well.

I believe that there is a much higher chance that in the near future the Europeans start fighting each other rather than fighting a superpower thousands of kilometers away. Just like pre-World War 2 when they had a war every 2 or 3 years.

It's those politicians that brought them in their current situation through years and years of careless policies.

Exactly.

[DrBeer]

While the Kremlin propagandists and their stooges are screaming and hysterical, trying to intimidate Europe, the reality looks like this:

"It took Europe 8 months to find an alternative to Russian gas," said the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen.
"At first, we assumed that the Russian gas cutoff would last 7 years. Today, the facts are as follows: it took us only 8 months to replace two-thirds of the supply," she said.

And now the most important nuance - the international terrorist country has lost this market FOREVER! And besides selling to countries that don't care about "blood oil" (such as China and India), there are no options left. But there is also a nuance here - China and India are so "friendly to Russia" that they "put Russia on their elbows" and forced them to sell oil at a dumping price.

[Maidak]

While the Kremlin propagandists and their stooges are screaming and hysterical, trying to intimidate Europe, the reality looks like this:

"It took Europe 8 months to find an alternative to Russian gas," said the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen.
"At first, we assumed that the Russian gas cutoff would last 7 years. Today, the facts are as follows: it took us only 8 months to replace two-thirds of the supply," she said.

And now the most important nuance - the international terrorist country has lost this market FOREVER! And besides selling to countries that don't care about "blood oil" (such as China and India), there are no options left. But there is also a nuance here - China and India are so "friendly to Russia" that they "put Russia on their elbows" and forced them to sell oil at a dumping price.

What is the solution here?, is it to use firewood, coal or restart the nuclear power plant?, and as I know European countries complain that the US is too greedy to sell LNG to them at exorbitant prices. One more thing about imposing a ceiling on gas and oil prices for Russia, so far 27 EU countries have not found a common voice to make a final statement. If they are confident that they no longer need Russian energy, they should not hesitate to make this statement. I am very curious to know how much more EU people have to spend to be able to use LNG let alone natural gas.

[be.open]

While the Kremlin propagandists and their stooges are screaming and hysterical, trying to intimidate Europe, the reality looks like this:

"It took Europe 8 months to find an alternative to Russian gas," said the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen.
"At first, we assumed that the Russian gas cutoff would last 7 years. Today, the facts are as follows: it took us only 8 months to replace two-thirds of the supply," she said.

And now the most important nuance - the international terrorist country has lost this market FOREVER! And besides selling to countries that don't care about "blood oil" (such as China and India), there are no options left. But there is also a nuance here - China and India are so "friendly to Russia" that they "put Russia on their elbows" and forced them to sell oil at a dumping price.

The most curious thing about your comment is that you were able to write it at all on the day when electricity ran out in almost all of Ukraine and there were serious problems with Internet access. Write your Russophobic nonsense more often so that I can know that everything is all right with you.

[Smack That Ace]

While the Kremlin propagandists and their stooges are screaming and hysterical, trying to intimidate Europe, the reality looks like this:

"It took Europe 8 months to find an alternative to Russian gas," said the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen.
"At first, we assumed that the Russian gas cutoff would last 7 years. Today, the facts are as follows: it took us only 8 months to replace two-thirds of the supply," she said.

And now the most important nuance - the international terrorist country has lost this market FOREVER! And besides selling to countries that don't care about "blood oil" (such as China and India), there are no options left. But there is also a nuance here - China and India are so "friendly to Russia" that they "put Russia on their elbows" and forced them to sell oil at a dumping price.

It can be said that the EU may already have enough gas for this winter, but the EU really found a replacement for Russia in the future, I won't believe what you say. I dare to bet you that they have not been able to find a solution to replace the huge supply from Russia, gas from Norway is not enough for the whole of Europe, LNG from the US has become too expensive and not to mention transportation costs. In 2021, the price of ships carrying LNG will be from 30,000 to 300 thousand USD/day, but now this cost has exceeded 500 thousand/day and may continue to increase. This is seen as a temporary solution because winter has come and EU governments have almost run out of solutions, I believe they will soon find a way to reconnect the gas pipeline to Russia in any case.

[pooya87]

It can be said that the EU may already have enough gas for this winter

That's the best case scenario which is that EU has enough gas only for home users, so they'll have to shut down literary every industry they have that uses gas. The significant increase in price of wood, industries that shut down already and declared bankruptcy and some are on the brink of it, the temperature laws that some countries like Switzerland are going to start enforcing soon, etc. are all signs of severe gas shortage.

P.S. Worse case right now is if a new war breaks out in another region or two where Europe gets its energy from

[Sithara007]

That's the best case scenario which is that EU has enough gas only for home users, so they'll have to shut down literary every industry they have that uses gas. The significant increase in price of wood, industries that shut down already and declared bankruptcy and some are on the brink of it, the temperature laws that some countries like Switzerland are going to start enforcing soon, etc. are all signs of severe gas shortage.

P.S. Worse case right now is if a new war breaks out in another region or two where Europe gets its energy from

Azerbaijan ships in large quantities of pipeline gas to the EU, and the pipeline goes through Georgia. And back in 2008, there was a conflict between Russia and Georgia. Since the current regime in Georgia is not very hostile to Russia, the chances are very low. But still I won't rule out the possibilities. Nigeria and the Maghreb countries (especially Algeria) are also important sources of gas to the EU, and these countries are politically very volatile. Only stable suppliers are United States, Qatar and Australia.

[DrBeer]

While the Kremlin propagandists and their stooges are screaming and hysterical, trying to intimidate Europe, the reality looks like this:

"It took Europe 8 months to find an alternative to Russian gas," said the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen.
"At first, we assumed that the Russian gas cutoff would last 7 years. Today, the facts are as follows: it took us only 8 months to replace two-thirds of the supply," she said.

And now the most important nuance - the international terrorist country has lost this market FOREVER! And besides selling to countries that don't care about "blood oil" (such as China and India), there are no options left. But there is also a nuance here - China and India are so "friendly to Russia" that they "put Russia on their elbows" and forced them to sell oil at a dumping price.

It can be said that the EU may already have enough gas for this winter, but the EU really found a replacement for Russia in the future, I won't believe what you say. I dare to bet you that they have not been able to find a solution to replace the huge supply from Russia, gas from Norway is not enough for the whole of Europe, LNG from the US has become too expensive and not to mention transportation costs. In 2021, the price of ships carrying LNG will be from 30,000 to 300 thousand USD/day, but now this cost has exceeded 500 thousand/day and may continue to increase. This is seen as a temporary solution because winter has come and EU governments have almost run out of solutions, I believe they will soon find a way to reconnect the gas pipeline to Russia in any case.

The most important thing is that the EU has already completely replaced 2/3 of the gas supplies from the country of the terrorist. Those. not a one-time purchase of the necessary gas somewhere, but globally rebuilt gas supply channels. 1/3 of course still remains, but this is a matter of a fairly short time. Yesterday there was information that back in the summer of 2022, the EU believed that the replacement of gas supplies from Russia would take up to 7 years, but it turned out that they went through this path in a little more than half a year.

Concerning possible problems - I do not exclude. After all, Russia is an international terrorist country, and I do not exclude that they will continue to try to continue both military and economic terrorism against many countries.

Here is an example from Norway:
On Friday, a Norwegian court ordered a 50-year-old Russian citizen to be detained for two weeks after he admitted to flying two drones over the country, potentially over critical energy infrastructure.
In recent weeks, many drone sightings have been recorded near the country's offshore oil and gas platforms." - most likely these are attempts to obtain information about critical energy infrastructure nodes for possible new terrorist attacks.

https://www.dw.com/en/norway-russian-man-detained-with-2-drones-near-arctic/a-63441134

[trendcoin]

Looking at the picture from this perspective: It is as if the war was not between Russia and Ukraine, but between Russia and Germany. I can't find where they are now, but according to some news I read, the German economy had a current account deficit for the first time in years. If the news is true, we can consider this crisis as a cold war period in the following years... No matter what happens, I am for peace and will always remain so. I hope this crisis is settled on the table and no more people suffer. I hope we all try to use the world's resources in a more balanced way and protect ourselves from such crises.

[Sithara007]

The most important thing is that the EU has already completely replaced 2/3 of the gas supplies from the country of the terrorist. Those. not a one-time purchase of the necessary gas somewhere, but globally rebuilt gas supply channels. 1/3 of course still remains, but this is a matter of a fairly short time. Yesterday there was information that back in the summer of 2022, the EU believed that the replacement of gas supplies from Russia would take up to 7 years, but it turned out that they went through this path in a little more than half a year.~~~

Replacing the gas won't be very difficult. But the cost matters. Back in 2020, EU nations paid around €100 per thousand cubic meters of Russian pipeline natural gas. And a few weeks back, they were paying €3,000 per thousand cubic meters for LNG from Qatar. If you are happy with this, then I don't have anything to say. As of now, there is a limited supply of natural gas. And EU is competing for this limited supply, with East Asian nations. Some of the consumers who previously shipped gas to East Asian nations such as Japan and South Korea are diverting the supplies now to EU. 

[Smack That Ace]

Looking at the picture from this perspective: It is as if the war was not between Russia and Ukraine, but between Russia and Germany. I can't find where they are now, but according to some news I read, the German economy had a current account deficit for the first time in years. If the news is true, we can consider this crisis as a cold war period in the following years... No matter what happens, I am for peace and will always remain so. I hope this crisis is settled on the table and no more people suffer. I hope we all try to use the world's resources in a more balanced way and protect ourselves from such crises.

Not between Russia and Germany, but also Europe and US are confronting Russia, they want to use Ukraine as a scapegoat to completely destroy Russia. It can be said that Russia is the only power and the biggest rival of the US militarily, so this is the best chance for the US to completely destroy Russia. Nothing would have happened had the US not instigated Ukraine to join the Nato alliance led by them, I believe everything that happened today was caused by the US pulling the strings. On the one hand, using Ukraine to get Russia mired in war and deeper recession, on the other, continues to make Europe increasingly dependent on them. All the devastating wars in this world are caused by US, they are not as great as they claim, they are terrorists and want the whole world to submit to them.

[gabbie2010]

Everything continues and in my opinion looking for wood fuel is the easiest and most appropriate choice, firewood has abundant stock and will never run out so that it becomes the best option to avoid using gas that continues to skyrocket and dependence on gas will certainly make complex problems in the future.

Yes, firewood might bring a temporary solution or succour to Germany energy crisis, however, the implications of cutting down trees will lead to deforestation and flooding including climate change in that part of the country, climate change has been an issue of discuss globally by U.N.O and other organizations which was caused majorly by human activities, alternatively the German government should source for their energy shortages in Africa particularly in Nigeria where there is vast deposit of coal which can be imported to power thermal generating plants, cooking e.t.c. though they should consider it's implications on climate change.

[Uang_kartal]

everything that happened to germany about war.conflict or alternative about basic needs and crises in that country,firewood is an icon, since today still use this, unique experience when I held a camping event first, back to nature [firewood] made it simpler.
  

Can firewood be the new bitcoin? How long before a start-up launches a stablecoin pegged to the international value of the commodity fuelwood?

it's interesting, the coverage is quite wide and this diagram proves that the interest was quite significant that month, maybe now is the time for alternatives to using firewood and some opportunities in the future in several other countries.
This is a marketplace in my country that provides firewood. if compared to the new bitcoin historically, the propagation and supply needed is indeed one vision.
Indeed, bamboo produces more pollution, but if it is an emergency, it can be used because of its flammable texture and lighter weight. The forest is a wild place for all kinds of plants, but poisonous or not I think it depends on the amount of supply that is burned.
this idea will help if gas supply starts to run low and prices have to go up in other countries, I think that small economies are already doing this especially in rural areas or the few entrepreneurs who see more opportunities by using firewood. I also think that firewood is not a difficult thing to find, especially in rural areas. Also from unused waste from
in consuming space, it can be used as an alternative to firewood. I think firewood will be the choice of many people and is more affordable

[DrBeer]

Looking at the picture from this perspective: It is as if the war was not between Russia and Ukraine, but between Russia and Germany. I can't find where they are now, but according to some news I read, the German economy had a current account deficit for the first time in years. If the news is true, we can consider this crisis as a cold war period in the following years... No matter what happens, I am for peace and will always remain so. I hope this crisis is settled on the table and no more people suffer. I hope we all try to use the world's resources in a more balanced way and protect ourselves from such crises.

Not between Russia and Germany, but also Europe and US are confronting Russia, they want to use Ukraine as a scapegoat to completely destroy Russia. It can be said that Russia is the only power and the biggest rival of the US militarily, so this is the best chance for the US to completely destroy Russia. Nothing would have happened had the US not instigated Ukraine to join the Nato alliance led by them, I believe everything that happened today was caused by the US pulling the strings. On the one hand, using Ukraine to get Russia mired in war and deeper recession, on the other, continues to make Europe increasingly dependent on them. All the devastating wars in this world are caused by US, they are not as great as they claim, they are terrorists and want the whole world to submit to them.

Can you give logical, verifiable and provable arguments and facts in favor of your theory?

And more simply - try to logically explain the beginning of Russian aggression against Ukraine, after the overthrow of the anti-constitutional, corrupt, anti-Ukrainian president and government in Ukraine?

About the "second army in terms of power" - I ask you, we here in Ukraine are already tired of laughing with this army, armed with equipment of the 70-80s of the last century, and their attempts to throw meat at us from their brainless soldiers Although if you want, also try to prove nonsense "Russia has the second most powerful army in the world"

Yes, and one more thing - how do you explain the mass retreat of the "second army of the world", the ordinary army of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? And the only more or less "effective" solution of the Russian army is terrorist, daily shelling of peaceful cities, civilian infrastructure, but not combat formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

[pooya87]

Azerbaijan ships in large quantities of pipeline gas to the EU, and the pipeline goes through Georgia. And back in 2008, there was a conflict between Russia and Georgia. Since the current regime in Georgia is not very hostile to Russia, the chances are very low. But still I won't rule out the possibilities. Nigeria and the Maghreb countries (especially Algeria) are also important sources of gas to the EU, and these countries are politically very volatile. Only stable suppliers are United States, Qatar and Australia.

Exactly, all the alternative sources they have are too risky and unstable. Georgia itself is a complicated situation that at least 3 fractions are fighting each other over power, some are pro-Russia so obviously they will want to prevent such export to EU.

Speaking of Azerbaijan, things are heating up in somewhat of a media blackout. Our armed forces already crossed Aras river while all of a sudden some people in Nakhchivan declared they want to rejoin the motherland.
After the 10-day straight bombardment of the terrorist bases in Northern Iraq the crosshair is now on Baku. We have to wait and see what that leads to.

[Synchronice]

Azerbaijan ships in large quantities of pipeline gas to the EU, and the pipeline goes through Georgia. And back in 2008, there was a conflict between Russia and Georgia. Since the current regime in Georgia is not very hostile to Russia, the chances are very low. But still I won't rule out the possibilities. Nigeria and the Maghreb countries (especially Algeria) are also important sources of gas to the EU, and these countries are politically very volatile. Only stable suppliers are United States, Qatar and Australia.

Exactly, all the alternative sources they have are too risky and unstable. Georgia itself is a complicated situation that at least 3 fractions are fighting each other over power, some are pro-Russia so obviously they will want to prevent such export to EU.

Georgians aren't pro-Russians but the problem is that there are so many migrants from Russia to Georgia that are settling down that soon probably they'll be the majority in this tiny country

I would say that Georgia is a pro EU country. I think that Germany is very popular destination for Georgians and I know some German companies who hired Georgian staff and operate from there. I have spent a month or two in the capital of Georgia and I have a good hopes, older generation very much likes people from EU and America too, young generation pretty much wants it to be a country like EU.
That's what I can say from my experience, hope someone will confirm this who has been in Georgia.

Btw Germany isn't in terrible situation right now. Recently I was in Ireland and returned in Germany, food prices are still good, it's hot in gyms, stores, etc. I'm in Bavaria and can't say that anyone is really worried. People work like before and life continues on. Oh, and no oil problems in supermarkts too, I'll update you guys with the prices on Monday

[Sithara007]

Georgians aren't pro-Russians but the problem is that there are so many migrants from Russia to Georgia that are settling down that soon probably they'll be the majority in this tiny country

I would say that Georgia is a pro EU country. I think that Germany is very popular destination for Georgians and I know some German companies who hired Georgian staff and operate from there. I have spent a month or two in the capital of Georgia and I have a good hopes, older generation very much likes people from EU and America too, young generation pretty much wants it to be a country like EU.
That's what I can say from my experience, hope someone will confirm this who has been in Georgia.

Btw Germany isn't in terrible situation right now. Recently I was in Ireland and returned in Germany, food prices are still good, it's hot in gyms, stores, etc. I'm in Bavaria and can't say that anyone is really worried. People work like before and life continues on. Oh, and no oil problems in supermarkts too, I'll update you guys with the prices on Monday

Georgia is a country of 5 million people, and a few thousand Russians are not going to change the ethnic composition in a big way.

And now coming to Germany, the government has already announced that they will subsidize the gas prices for its citizens. I don't think that they will extend that support to the industrial units, but the population should be happy with what they get. LNG deliveries from US and Qatar has also picked up pace, and there should not be a severe shortfall in gas during the summer. But the long-term stability is still in doubt. And the government won't be able to spend hundreds of billions of Euros to subsidize gas every year.

[DrBeer]

Azerbaijan ships in large quantities of pipeline gas to the EU, and the pipeline goes through Georgia. And back in 2008, there was a conflict between Russia and Georgia. Since the current regime in Georgia is not very hostile to Russia, the chances are very low. But still I won't rule out the possibilities. Nigeria and the Maghreb countries (especially Algeria) are also important sources of gas to the EU, and these countries are politically very volatile. Only stable suppliers are United States, Qatar and Australia.

Exactly, all the alternative sources they have are too risky and unstable. Georgia itself is a complicated situation that at least 3 fractions are fighting each other over power, some are pro-Russia so obviously they will want to prevent such export to EU.

Speaking of Azerbaijan, things are heating up in somewhat of a media blackout. Our armed forces already crossed Aras river while all of a sudden some people in Nakhchivan declared they want to rejoin the motherland.
After the 10-day straight bombardment of the terrorist bases in Northern Iraq the crosshair is now on Baku. We have to wait and see what that leads to.

Any attempts at terrorist attacks (read - Russian) will lead to the inclusion, full-fledged, of the Turkish army. Although Erdogan is trying to play both sides, he will not miss the slightest chance to show Russia its real place in this region. Probably you will not deny that after Russia, having once again pushed the short-sighted Armenia to the conflict, having heard the statement of Turkey, cowardly put its tail between its legs and ran away from the battlefield. Leaving the unfortunate Armenians to die under the blows of the Turkish-Azerbaijani group. The only thing that Russia can try to do is to incite Iran, with its inadequate regime, which is now conducting exercises near the borders with Azerbaijan, to start a conflict there.
Russia will try its favorite methods to prevent alternative gas supplies to the EU. So it will be necessary to expect new terrorist attacks.

[Synchronice]

Georgia is a country of 5 million people, and a few thousand Russians are not going to change the ethnic composition in a big way.

Well, just googled and it says 3,714 Millionen so? And officially, thousands of Russians are passing the borders of Georgia since the beginning of war. I have a friend in Tbilisi who says that almost everywhere you hear Russian language and they are truly a lot in the country. Officially, more than 1 Million Russians passed the borders of Georgia. That can be a problem you know in country with 3.5 million population right? These Russians can say that they are experiencing racism, disintegration, etc and ask Russia for "help" and you know it's enough for Russia to start another conflict.

[pooya87]

Any attempts at terrorist attacks (read - Russian) will lead to the inclusion, full-fledged, of the Turkish army.

Turkey can not afford to enter any war considering how it is surrounded on all sides by conflicts ready to explode. From Greece that is being armed to the teeth to fight Turkey to the Resistance on the entire southern Turkish border ready to burn Turkey for its war crimes in their countries. They can't afford to get involved in another conflict in the North with Russia.
Not to mention that the ~90% inflation that Turkey has been experiencing has crippled the economy and has increased public unrest. If they are stupid enough to enter a war, it would push the country over the edge for a civil war inside Turkey where Turkish people would attempt another coup to remove Erdogan but this time Iran won't save him like last time.

Probably you will not deny that after Russia, having once again pushed the short-sighted Armenia to the conflict,

That is nonsense. It is Azerbaijan that started attacking Armenia and is trying to wipe it out from the maps not the other way around.

with its inadequate regime,

Was that supposed to be an insult? LOL

which is now conducting exercises near the borders with Azerbaijan, to start a conflict there.

The forces already crossed the border and the recent announcement by the foreign minister (Armenia's security is going to be ensured by Iran) put an end to any possibility of Azerbaijan's terrorist attack on Armenia.

P.S. I really wish the idiots in Baku are stupid enough to attempt something. The trigger fingers are itching to take back our occupied cities like Aran and cleanse it from terrorists including but not limited to ISIS and Zionists.

[Sithara007]

The forces already crossed the border and the recent announcement by the foreign minister (Armenia's security is going to be ensured by Iran) put an end to any possibility of Azerbaijan's terrorist attack on Armenia.

P.S. I really wish the idiots in Baku are stupid enough to attempt something. The trigger fingers are itching to take back our occupied cities like Aran and cleanse it from terrorists including but not limited to ISIS and Zionists.

Two years ago, I read somewhere that Iran had offered to send peacekeepers to Karabakh region, but the pro-US Armenian regime under Pashinyan rejected it. If they had accepted the offer back then, they could have still controlled most of the disputed region. Iranian peacekeepers could have ensured the status quo during the conflict, unlike the Russians who decided to sit back and watch while Azeri troops over-ran most of the region. For Armenia, Iran is much more reliable as an ally when compared to Russia.

[pooya87]

Two years ago, I read somewhere that Iran had offered to send peacekeepers to Karabakh region, but the pro-US Armenian regime under Pashinyan rejected it. If they had accepted the offer back then, they could have still controlled most of the disputed region. Iranian peacekeepers could have ensured the status quo during the conflict, unlike the Russians who decided to sit back and watch while Azeri troops over-ran most of the region. For Armenia, Iran is much more reliable as an ally when compared to Russia.

The problem is exactly Pashinyan himself. After the recent attacks he was about to sign off on part of Armenia and hand it over to Azerbaijan without any resistance!!! There was a mass protest and people were about to enter the ministry to physically remove him so he was forced to step back from that plan. Pelosi's visit was exactly because of that (after the plan failed).

Turns out Iran's military needed to cross Aras river for the consulate (basically the same as peacekeepers) to be opened inside Kapan despite Pashinyan resistance. The officials already told him that they won't accept any border changes regardless of who agrees on what.

[bboyz]

Azerbaijan ships in large quantities of pipeline gas to the EU, and the pipeline goes through Georgia. And back in 2008, there was a conflict between Russia and Georgia. Since the current regime in Georgia is not very hostile to Russia, the chances are very low. But still I won't rule out the possibilities. Nigeria and the Maghreb countries (especially Algeria) are also important sources of gas to the EU, and these countries are politically very volatile. Only stable suppliers are United States, Qatar and Australia.

Exactly, all the alternative sources they have are too risky and unstable. Georgia itself is a complicated situation that at least 3 fractions are fighting each other over power, some are pro-Russia so obviously they will want to prevent such export to EU.

Speaking of Azerbaijan, things are heating up in somewhat of a media blackout. Our armed forces already crossed Aras river while all of a sudden some people in Nakhchivan declared they want to rejoin the motherland.
After the 10-day straight bombardment of the terrorist bases in Northern Iraq the crosshair is now on Baku. We have to wait and see what that leads to.

Any attempts at terrorist attacks (read - Russian) will lead to the inclusion, full-fledged, of the Turkish army. Although Erdogan is trying to play both sides, he will not miss the slightest chance to show Russia its real place in this region. Probably you will not deny that after Russia, having once again pushed the short-sighted Armenia to the conflict, having heard the statement of Turkey, cowardly put its tail between its legs and ran away from the battlefield. Leaving the unfortunate Armenians to die under the blows of the Turkish-Azerbaijani group. The only thing that Russia can try to do is to incite Iran, with its inadequate regime, which is now conducting exercises near the borders with Azerbaijan, to start a conflict there.
Russia will try its favorite methods to prevent alternative gas supplies to the EU. So it will be necessary to expect new terrorist attacks.

You have summed up the subject wonderfully with an unbiased observation.

When I take the map in my hand, I see that Greece in the west [1], Armenia in the east, and the PKK/YPG terrorist organization in the south [2] are armed against us. Thank God we have the Black Sea in our north. We are indeed in the firing line, but we are on the verge of a process that we can overcome.

However, instead of living this relentless struggle, we should have increased the welfare of our peoples by making economic cooperation. Today, about 50 thousand poor people of Armenia are working illegally in Turkey [3]. The Armenian government should try to create an environment of peace in the region instead of leaving its people to starvation by implementing irrational and aggressive policies. Although our skin colors and languages are different, we are all children of this ancient geography. We have lived together for centuries, we can do it again.

If they don't read well the motives of those who came here from across the ocean and gave them weapons, they will continue to suffer. I hope what happened to Armenia will be a good lesson for others. The moment the forces beyond the ocean retreat from their backs, it is the moment they are caught in the void.

[1] https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Turkiye-Accuses-Greece-of-Transferring-Weapons-to-Islands--20220925-0014.html
[2] https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/war-on-terror/despite-turkeys-concerns-us-provides-2b-support-to-ypg-terrorists
[3] https://www.gazetevatan.com/gundem/oluruz-de-gitmeyiz-294487

[DrBeer]

Azerbaijan ships in large quantities of pipeline gas to the EU, and the pipeline goes through Georgia. And back in 2008, there was a conflict between Russia and Georgia. Since the current regime in Georgia is not very hostile to Russia, the chances are very low. But still I won't rule out the possibilities. Nigeria and the Maghreb countries (especially Algeria) are also important sources of gas to the EU, and these countries are politically very volatile. Only stable suppliers are United States, Qatar and Australia.

Exactly, all the alternative sources they have are too risky and unstable. Georgia itself is a complicated situation that at least 3 fractions are fighting each other over power, some are pro-Russia so obviously they will want to prevent such export to EU.

Speaking of Azerbaijan, things are heating up in somewhat of a media blackout. Our armed forces already crossed Aras river while all of a sudden some people in Nakhchivan declared they want to rejoin the motherland.
After the 10-day straight bombardment of the terrorist bases in Northern Iraq the crosshair is now on Baku. We have to wait and see what that leads to.

Any attempts at terrorist attacks (read - Russian) will lead to the inclusion, full-fledged, of the Turkish army. Although Erdogan is trying to play both sides, he will not miss the slightest chance to show Russia its real place in this region. Probably you will not deny that after Russia, having once again pushed the short-sighted Armenia to the conflict, having heard the statement of Turkey, cowardly put its tail between its legs and ran away from the battlefield. Leaving the unfortunate Armenians to die under the blows of the Turkish-Azerbaijani group. The only thing that Russia can try to do is to incite Iran, with its inadequate regime, which is now conducting exercises near the borders with Azerbaijan, to start a conflict there.
Russia will try its favorite methods to prevent alternative gas supplies to the EU. So it will be necessary to expect new terrorist attacks.

You have summed up the subject wonderfully with an unbiased observation.

When I take the map in my hand, I see that Greece in the west [1], Armenia in the east, and the PKK/YPG terrorist organization in the south [2] are armed against us. Thank God we have the Black Sea in our north. We are indeed in the firing line, but we are on the verge of a process that we can overcome.

However, instead of living this relentless struggle, we should have increased the welfare of our peoples by making economic cooperation. Today, about 50 thousand poor people of Armenia are working illegally in Turkey [3]. The Armenian government should try to create an environment of peace in the region instead of leaving its people to starvation by implementing irrational and aggressive policies. Although our skin colors and languages are different, we are all children of this ancient geography. We have lived together for centuries, we can do it again.

If they don't read well the motives of those who came here from across the ocean and gave them weapons, they will continue to suffer. I hope what happened to Armenia will be a good lesson for others. The moment the forces beyond the ocean retreat from their backs, it is the moment they are caught in the void.

[1] https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Turkiye-Accuses-Greece-of-Transferring-Weapons-to-Islands--20220925-0014.html
[2] https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/war-on-terror/despite-turkeys-concerns-us-provides-2b-support-to-ypg-terrorists
[3] https://www.gazetevatan.com/gundem/oluruz-de-gitmeyiz-294487

I am sure you know the background of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict. Who there acted as an "accelerator" of the conflict, and then allegedly acted as a "peacemaker", deliberately creating another zone of tension in the east. Russia. It was Russia that staged, provoked, and by proxy arranged the massacre of the two peoples. Again, making a stuffing about "original territories", "historical justice". This is the policy of Russia - destabilization wherever possible, if someone wants to leave the sphere of influence of Russia, as, for example, Azerbaijan did hotle.
But, Russia has opened a "pandora's box" for itself - now many peoples enslaved by Muscovy / Russia will remember their history, their ancestral territories, and sooner or later Russia will "tear" into many independent states ...

[Sithara007]

The problem is exactly Pashinyan himself. After the recent attacks he was about to sign off on part of Armenia and hand it over to Azerbaijan without any resistance!!! There was a mass protest and people were about to enter the ministry to physically remove him so he was forced to step back from that plan. Pelosi's visit was exactly because of that (after the plan failed).

Turns out Iran's military needed to cross Aras river for the consulate (basically the same as peacekeepers) to be opened inside Kapan despite Pashinyan resistance. The officials already told him that they won't accept any border changes regardless of who agrees on what.

Nikol Pashinyan has been a disaster for Armenia. He seized power by toppling the government led by Serzh Sargsyan during the "velvet revolution". Pashinyan wanted Armenia to move away from the Russian-Iranian zone of influence and align with the NATO. And this move backfired, as the Americans refused to help him when Azerbaijan invaded Karabakh with the help from Turkey. What surprises me is that Pashinyan still remains in power. In any other country, he would have been overthrown immediately after the military defeat and tried for high treason.

[DrBeer]

Any attempts at terrorist attacks (read - Russian) will lead to the inclusion, full-fledged, of the Turkish army.

Turkey can not afford to enter any war considering how it is surrounded on all sides by conflicts ready to explode. From Greece that is being armed to the teeth to fight Turkey to the Resistance on the entire southern Turkish border ready to burn Turkey for its war crimes in their countries. They can't afford to get involved in another conflict in the North with Russia.
Not to mention that the ~90% inflation that Turkey has been experiencing has crippled the economy and has increased public unrest. If they are stupid enough to enter a war, it would push the country over the edge for a civil war inside Turkey where Turkish people would attempt another coup to remove Erdogan but this time Iran won't save him like last time.

Probably you will not deny that after Russia, having once again pushed the short-sighted Armenia to the conflict,

That is nonsense. It is Azerbaijan that started attacking Armenia and is trying to wipe it out from the maps not the other way around.

with its inadequate regime,

Was that supposed to be an insult? LOL

which is now conducting exercises near the borders with Azerbaijan, to start a conflict there.

The forces already crossed the border and the recent announcement by the foreign minister (Armenia's security is going to be ensured by Iran) put an end to any possibility of Azerbaijan's terrorist attack on Armenia.

P.S. I really wish the idiots in Baku are stupid enough to attempt something. The trigger fingers are itching to take back our occupied cities like Aran and cleanse it from terrorists including but not limited to ISIS and Zionists.

The Turkish army, in this region, is currently the strongest army. Iran can say a lot, but no more than that. Iran can only partially destabilize the situation in the area where Azerbaijan is restoring its historical, legal borders from the occupying troops of Armenia. The reason is the cowardly flight of Russia, and the desire to "revenge", but out of habit is cowardly. You just remember - at the beginning of the last conflict, how at the beginning Russia heroically told Azerbaijan what to do and what to say, and after Turkey officially declared its full support for Azerbaijan, Russia stuck its tongue up its ass and quietly retired, leaving the Armenian clown alone with the problem
And the topic of hostilities against the Armenian / Russian invaders of friendly Azerbaijan will be a good solution to the inflation you indicated.
About Greece - no need, it causes nothing but a smirk of regret


"this is nonsense. It was Azerbaijan that began to attack Armenia and is trying to wipe it off the face of the earth, and not vice versa." - Well, I'm not surprised at all, another INTENTIONAL lie. Think back to 1991-1994. Russia pushed Armenia to the conflict, developing a favorite theme on the national theme. Allegedly, some Azerbaijani regions, where ethnic Armenians densely lived, were "cesspools" without rights and opportunities. It was Russia that pushed and helped Armenia at the beginning of this conflict. Even officially it is easy to check. So what about nonsense - you tell yourself in front of the mirror

"Is that supposed to be an insult? I CAN'T RJU" - come on, stop making it up! What insult? The pure truth, so to speak, a statement of fact

About Iran - yes, I wrote above - I completely agree, crazy Iran has replaced cowardly Russia. But the result will be the same - defeat and cowardly flight. Moreover, now Iran is brewing new problems in connection with the support of the international terrorist Russia, by providing technical assistance to the "second army of the world", which was able to beg drones from Iran

[Wind_FURY]

A friend texted my that the German government has given the approval to tear down a Wind Farm to build an expansion for a coal mine. The country's government is distressed in looking for energy alternatives because it's going to be winter, and also to remove their reliance on Russian Gas and/or Oil.

I believe oil prices will also increase again if Iran's threat to attack Saudi Arabian oil facilities actually become true. They are currently in high alert in the Middle East.

[pooya87]

I believe oil prices will also increase again if Iran's threat to attack Saudi Arabian oil facilities actually become true. They are currently in high alert in the Middle East.

Such an open attack with a pre-warning is highly unlikely in my personal opinion.
It was more like a warning to force Saudi regime to stop its support of terrorism and shut down its London based media outlet that has been organizing terrorism inside Iran.

More likely scenario is going to be an attack on Saudi energy facilities in at least a month from now by Yemenis whom Saudi regime is already at war with. Just like last time when "they" attacked Aramco and reduced Saudi output by more than half

[Wind_FURY]

I believe oil prices will also increase again if Iran's threat to attack Saudi Arabian oil facilities actually become true. They are currently in high alert in the Middle East.

Such an open attack with a pre-warning is highly unlikely in my personal opinion.
It was more like a warning to force Saudi regime to stop its support of terrorism and shut down its London based media outlet that has been organizing terrorism inside Iran.

More likely scenario is going to be an attack on Saudi energy facilities in at least a month from now by Yemenis whom Saudi regime is already at war with. Just like last time when "they" attacked Aramco and reduced Saudi output by more than half

I believe it wasn't a pre-warning. It was actual intelligence reports gathered by U.S. spies/CIA and their Saudi Arabian assets, and possibly Mossad. OR, it's another Saudi Arabian oil price "manipulation scheme" again, planned and worked with bribed CIA agents. They will find different reasons to lower supply/production, and make the price surge back to above $100 again.

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I believe it wasn't a pre-warning. It was actual intelligence reports gathered by U.S. spies/CIA and their Saudi Arabian assets, and possibly Mossad.

They must have done a very hard work of googling the intelligence

Multiple Iranian military officials including the commander of armed forces have literary spoken on national television and the news have been on all official news outlets in both Farsi and English where they directly threaten Saudi regime to shut down its terrorism campaign.
Not to mention that the first warning came right after the 10-day bombardment of terrorist positions in Northern Iraq which is occupied by separatists. Some of these terrorist groups are backed by Saudi regime.