Royse777 is Casino Critique

[suchmoon]

[OPEN] SINBAD MIXER Signature Campaign. Up-to $75/w | Payment escrowed
It claims to have "Payment escrowed", which is a lie:

As a campaign manager to guarantee your payment I am holding 0.0984 btc (≈ $2,000)

I wouldn't trust anyone with money problems to act as escrow.

I wouldn't call it a lie. While it would make more sense to have a different escrow in Royse777's situation, as long as the campaign participants trust him (which they probably do as evidenced by applying to the campaign) and are aware that he's the escrow I don't see this claim as false. Campaign manager acting as an escrow is quite common as you probably know

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[Poker Player]

I wouldn't call it a lie. While it would make more sense to have a different escrow in Royse777's situation, as long as the campaign participants trust him (which they probably do as evidenced by applying to the campaign) and are aware that he's the escrow I don't see this claim as false. Campaign manager acting as an escrow is quite common as you probably know

I think livecasino.io managers also say they have funds in escrow and they personally hold them, like Royse777. So I think suchmoon is right.

The difference in their case is that they don't have money problems (at least that we know of) and both of them have to agree to move the funds.

[suchmoon]

I think livecasino.io managers also say they have funds in escrow and they personally hold them, like Royse777. So I think suchmoon is right.

The difference in their case is that they don't have money problems (at least that we know of) and both of them have to agree to move the funds.

Do we know for a fact that Royse777 has money problems severe enough that he'd be tempted to steal $2000?

Here is the problem, or at least how I see it. Royse777 seems to be trying to rebuild his reputation. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is a whole other discussion (I personally am a big fan of second chances but not so much of 3rd/4th/etc chances). The point is, he's doing it. By engaging in an activity that he's good at as far as I know. It'd be more worrying if he tried to e.g. buy/sell small trinkets to farm trust or some shit like that. However the only real way to prove trustworthiness is to show that you don't scam when you have a chance to do so. If you use escrow or go first in a transaction you can't prove that you're trustworthy (and positive trust ratings in such situations are worse than worthless IMO). So the reality for Royse777 is that he must ask for other users to risk their money - in this case campaign earnings - and show that he is paying it out, if he wants to rebuild trust in the community.

This is not an endorsement. For all I know he could do just fine with $2000 but build up to a larger exit scam later. Just saying that this escrow set up alone is not an indication of anything nefarious.

[LoyceV]

I wouldn't call it a lie. While it would make more sense to have a different escrow in Royse777's situation, as long as the campaign participants trust him (which they probably do as evidenced by applying to the campaign) and are aware that he's the escrow I don't see this claim as false. Campaign manager acting as an escrow is quite common as you probably know

Good point, I've edited my post.

Do we know for a fact that Royse777 has money problems severe enough that he'd be tempted to steal $2000?

No. I still wouldn't trust an escrow with money problems, but in this case, if the casino mixer trusts Royse777, that should be enough. Campaign participants usually join anything they can, so they don't care about it either.

[dkbit98]

He has started a signature campaign in a self-moderated thread. Logical I guess.

Yeah, he should probably make it non self-moderated so that JG can continue posting in that topic with all his alt accounts  
You can always check post archive and see how many posts got deleted.

I suppose much of the problem we have seen is due to relying heavily on forum income. That's why he didn't have a cooling-off period after Bitlucy.

I agree he should cool off, but what about main firestarter JG and his witch hunting?
He is intentionally creating conflict and doing constant bump of all topics related with him, he calls him a scammer, and trying to make situation worse.
You can't expect someone to cool off when other guy is jumping on his head all the time.

Do we know for a fact that Royse777 has money problems severe enough that he'd be tempted to steal $2000?

I think he paid from his pocket to anyone who was damaged in his casino fiasco project.
I wouldn't say he is good example of bounty manager, but I hope he learned a lesson.

No. I still wouldn't trust an escrow with money problems, but in this case, if the casino trusts Royse777, that should be enough. Campaign participants usually join anything they can, so they don't care about it either.

Is it a casino or a mixer?
Title say Sinbad Mixer, and I think I saw something about this mixer posted before in forum, I remember opening their website very slow last month.

[Poker Player]

He has started a signature campaign in a self-moderated thread. Logical I guess.

Yeah, he should probably make it non self-moderated so that JG can continue posting in that topic with all his alt accounts  
You can always check post archive and see how many posts got deleted.

When I said "logical", I wasn't being ironic. I would have done the same, so it wouldn't be filled with people calling me a scammer and the like. I think in the last signature campaign he managed or tried to manage that's what happened. I remember something like that but I can't be bothered searching for the thread.

Do we know for a fact that Royse777 has money problems severe enough that he'd be tempted to steal $2000?

We don't know it for a fact. I actually don't think anything bad will happen with this campaign, so I think he will simply try to rebuild his reputation.

[JollyGood]

I think livecasino.io managers also say they have funds in escrow and they personally hold them, like Royse777. So I think suchmoon is right.

The difference in their case is that they don't have money problems (at least that we know of) and both of them have to agree to move the funds.

Do we know for a fact that Royse777 has money problems severe enough that he'd be tempted to steal $2000?

I do not recall anybody alluding to that effect and like you I too doubt that $2000 would a tempting amount for either Royse777 or anybody else trying to rebuild their reputation to exit scam. It is highly unlikely in my opinion.

Here is the problem, or at least how I see it. Royse777 seems to be trying to rebuild his reputation. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is a whole other discussion (I personally am a big fan of second chances but not so much of 3rd/4th/etc chances). The point is, he's doing it. By engaging in an activity that he's good at as far as I know.

Keeping the Casino Critique and Bitlucy episodes aside, this where Royse777 deserves credit for trying to rebuild her trust and trying to do it by campaign managing.

I have no idea who and what is behind the sinbad.io project or even if it is trustworthy but Royse777 has attached her name to it therefore I hope this does not end with piles of complaints from users that sent crypto intending to be mixed but received nothing in return except losses. I am not saying it will happen, I am hoping that it does not happen both for the reputation of Royse777 and for potential customers.

In the general sense it is a risky strategy associating your name to a business if due-diligence is not applied because it can ruin the reputation and in many cases due-diligence is applied and things still can unfortunately come crashing down. Unfortunately that is how things can work sometimes.

This is not an endorsement. For all I know he could do just fine with $2000 but build up to a larger exit scam later. Just saying that this escrow set up alone is not an indication of anything nefarious.

Usually having a third party escrow provides some form of protection depending on the record and respectability of the escrow but does not guarantee anything, likewise having a set up such as the one for sinbad.io (where Royse777 is escrow as well as campaign manager) it is normal as virtually all campaign managers do the same.

[naim027]

I have no idea who and what is behind the sinbad.io project or even if it is trustworthy but Royse777 has attached her name to it therefore I hope this does not end with piles of complaints from users that sent crypto intending to be mixed but received nothing in return except losses. I am not saying it will happen, I am hoping that it does not happen both for the reputation of Royse777 and for potential customers.

I was expecting (I guess everyone else) such a comment from you Mr. Trollybad. No matter what they (whoever opposed you) do, You will find a negative side and create another drama. BTW, Are you afraid of healthy criticism?

[yahoo62278]

I have no idea who and what is behind the sinbad.io project or even if it is trustworthy but Royse777 has attached her name to it therefore I hope this does not end with piles of complaints from users that sent crypto intending to be mixed but received nothing in return except losses. I am not saying it will happen, I am hoping that it does not happen both for the reputation of Royse777 and for potential customers.

I was expecting (I guess everyone else) such a comment from you Mr. Trollybad. No matter what they (whoever opposed you) do, You will find a negative side and create another drama. BTW, Are you afraid of healthy criticism?

I don't think criticism is bad no matter who you are, and I doubt he is afraid. I do think you have turned into a child since you were exposed. Being pissed off for a day or 2 once things came out was to be expected but acting like a little kid because you don't like someone is just silly, not to mention extremely off topic in your replies.

The original issue of who is who has been dealt with and the thread should be locked but unless an admin steps in to lock it likely it will never happen.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I have no idea who and what is behind the sinbad.io project or even if it is trustworthy but Royse777 has attached her name to it therefore I hope this does not end with piles of complaints from users that sent crypto intending to be mixed but received nothing in return except losses. I am not saying it will happen, I am hoping that it does not happen both for the reputation of Royse777 and for potential customers.

Let's say it happens. Sinbad.io project walks away with their clients money. How will it effect Royse777 reputation? As far as I can see he or she is just a campaign manager. Always making your argument against the people you do not like is not a good state of healthy mentality.

[naim027]

I have no idea who and what is behind the sinbad.io project or even if it is trustworthy but Royse777 has attached her name to it therefore I hope this does not end with piles of complaints from users that sent crypto intending to be mixed but received nothing in return except losses. I am not saying it will happen, I am hoping that it does not happen both for the reputation of Royse777 and for potential customers.

I was expecting (I guess everyone else) such a comment from you Mr. Trollybad. No matter what they (whoever opposed you) do, You will find a negative side and create another drama. BTW, Are you afraid of healthy criticism?

I don't think criticism is bad no matter who you are, and I doubt he is afraid. I do think you have turned into a child since you were exposed. Being pissed off for a day or 2 once things came out was to be expected but acting like a little kid because you don't like someone is just silly, not to mention extremely off topic in your replies. 

Sorry if it's off-topic. But, Topic A related to Topic B, and I am talking about B. So, It's related. You can call me a kid if you want. But, Don't you think my Argument is right? Suppose you manage Winz.io Campaign; what if they start doing shady things? I don't think Campaign managers can do much except stop the campaign.

Yobit did it in the past, and I don't think you have anything to do. So, Why is Royse in question again when is he trying to stay away from the drama and do his things? Don't you think TrollyBad doing it intentionally and trying to keep this drama continuing?

[suchmoon]

Sorry if it's off-topic. But, Topic A related to Topic B, and I am talking about B. So, It's related. You can call me a kid if you want. But, Don't you think my Argument is right? Suppose you manage Winz.io Campaign; what if they start doing shady things? I don't think Campaign managers can do much except stop the campaign.

Yobit did it in the past, and I don't think you have anything to do. So, Why is Royse in question again when is he trying to stay away from the drama and do his things? Don't you think TrollyBad doing it intentionally and trying to keep this drama continuing?

You're fueling this drama yourself, while still blatantly breaking forum rules despite having been unbanned for breaking forum rules. I doubt you could be so daft that you can't see how your "help" is not helping Royse777 at all so I'm assuming you're just trying to take down anyone you can along with you.

Just go away, you're done here.