FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread

[Akbarkoe]

Of course the squad is completely different because in the past was full of Indonesian, while now they're full of Holland. It's no longer Indonesia to be honest, it's Netherlands v2.0. Netherlands is currently at the 7th rank in the world, it's not surprising why Netherlands v2.0 can qualify for World Cup and give a fight against higher rank countries.

Australia should've secure 3 points because they've score one more goal in the injury time, it's surprising China can score one goal.

Furthermore, it is indeed correct that the Indonesian national team currently consists of many diaspora players, most notably hailing from the Netherlands. It tends to give the national team somewhat of the appearance of “Netherlands v2.0” because many of them are people of Indonesian descent born and who have developed their football careers in the Netherlands. A few have even represented the Dutch national team in their youth categories. Nevertheless, as long as they give their best on the pitch and have the intention and hope of making Indonesia proud, that is what matters. What is key is their commitment to make Indonesia proud on the international stage, and that is an initiative I will always support.

And it is commonplace in modern football, where many countries tap into the potential of their diaspora players. Not only Indonesia, but countries in Europe as well often fill the depth of their national teams with players who have a diaspora background, especially from Africa.

While FIFA did not make a ban on the naturalization of descendants, I thought it was legitimate either any country, maybe even if there were some other countries that had descendants of Indonesian blood it was worthy to get the right if you wanted to play in the Indonesian national team.
Yes, even though it is said that the Netherlands v2.0 or even v.10 even if it is allowed in my opinion it does not need to be a conversation that is too long.

[alegotardo]

While FIFA did not make a ban on the naturalization of descendants, I thought it was legitimate either any country, maybe even if there were some other countries that had descendants of Indonesian blood it was worthy to get the right if you wanted to play in the Indonesian national team.
Yes, even though it is said that the Netherlands v2.0 or even v.10 even if it is allowed in my opinion it does not need to be a conversation that is too long.

Historically, FIFA has determined that an athlete must have the permanent nationality of a country, whether born or naturalized, in order to represent the respective national team, in addition to prohibiting, as a general rule, a player from representing a second national team after playing for a first one in an official competition of any category or type of football.

But... there are exceptions:
There are some requirements that must be met to allow a player to change sporting nationality in order to represent another national team.
Since 2009, FIFA has removed the age restriction of 21 years and in 2020, some other criteria for multiple eligibility and change of association were changed:
1. Being born in the desired country;
2. Your parents or grandparents were born in the country, or;
3. Having lived continuously in the country for at least 2 years.

[Glen Hoddle]

Currently competing with Argentina team is Venezuela team, today's game is the most competitive game as the result of the game is already drawn. Argentina is the strongest team in this match and their squad is full of the best players in the world. But the Argentinian team is ready to survive in any situation till the last minute, this match will definitely be won by the Argentinian team because their attack is so much in the last minute that the opposite team is in a lot of panic. So of course we have to wait to see this game and finally the result, and the gamblers are waiting the most.

[blue Snow]

It is very unfortunate with the final score of 2-2 and the referee's decision that was so detrimental to Indonesia, where the additional time had shown that the match was actually over but unfortunately the referee Ahmed Al Kaf had not yet blown his whistle, but we Bharain had already scored a goal, the referee Ahmed Al Kaf had just blown the whistle that the match was over, of course a controversial decision even though they shared points but of course Indonesia was still disadvantaged by an incident like this.

That injury time is always the such thing to be controverted. I don't know why the referee always not consistent to blow the whistle when the time was appropriate. From 6 minutes to 9 minutes is not acceptable. Yes i can accept when the time extended to 7 minutes, but over 3 minutes is an exaggeration. And when I look how Mohammed Marhoon stand, that look offside, he stands in front from Indonesia defender and the referee didn't look him as offside. So I think this match is not fair for Indonesia, not only lost my bet  , I lose also my excitement throughout the game. Now, we have to win against china on next 15 October to to secure 3dr or 4th the position stand.

[Hanadawa]

It is truly unfortunate the behavior of the referee who led the Bahrain vs Indonesia match. Not because I am Indonesian that I say that referee Ahmed Al Kaf led the qualifying match badly, but towards the end of the match this FIFA licensed referee really harmed the position of the Indonesian team.
If indeed according to the rules the extra time given was appropriate, I would consider the final result to be acceptable, but what Ahmed Al Kaf did was not fair at all.

I was really disappointed with the performance of the referee from Oman in that match. Since the beginning of the match I saw indications of cheating by the referee. Of course I can't judge him because I'm from Indonesia and the referee understands the rules of football better. However, Bahrain's second goal really didn't make sense. The referee gave 6 minutes of additional time and in the 6th minute the referee didn't end the match but waited for Bahrain to attack from their defense line. I wouldn't have been disappointed if Bahrain scored in the 90+5 minute but they scored in the 90+9 minute. He reminded me of the referee who cheated Italy in the 2002 World Cup.

[armanda90]

That injury time is always the such thing to be controverted. I don't know why the referee always not consistent to blow the whistle when the time was appropriate. From 6 minutes to 9 minutes is not acceptable. Yes i can accept when the time extended to 7 minutes, but over 3 minutes is an exaggeration. And when I look how Mohammed Marhoon stand, that look offside, he stands in front from Indonesia defender and the referee didn't look him as offside. So I think this match is not fair for Indonesia, not only lost my bet  , I lose also my excitement throughout the game. Now, we have to win against china on next 15 October to to secure 3dr or 4th the position stand.

It was very controversial the referee at Bahrain vs Indonesia match, Indonesia failed to secure three points after conceding in the final minute of added time. One of the most controversial things about referee Ahmed Al-Kaf was that there were many favorable violations for the Bahrain National Team during the 6 minutes of added time, but the goal occurred in the 99th minute or more than three minutes of added time.

During the 6 minutes of extra time, there was no stoppage at all but referee Ahmed Al-Kaf had another point of view with the match running until the 99th minute and making Indonesia fail to get their first three points in the qualifying round.
I think FIFA and AFC make serious investigate how bad and controversial of Ahmed Al-Kaf to suspend him from all FIFA and AFC matches for the future.

[joniboini]

It was very controversial the referee at Bahrain vs Indonesia match, Indonesia failed to secure three points after conceding in the final minute of added time.

Hopefully, they learned from this and aim to secure victory with 2 goal difference or at the very least improve their concentration in the last minutes of a match so they don't concede late goals again. Complaining about unfairness can't guarantee anything IMO, even if governing bodies revise or stop using a controversial referee I don't think they'll change the results of a match that has ended. A football team can only depend on themselves to secure 3 points in this modern time.

[Hirose UK]

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I really hope that Maarten Paes will be fine and will play as a starter in the match against Bahrain, although Shin Tae-yong still has goalkeepers such as Ernando Ari Sutaryadi, Nadeo Argawinata, who have their own qualities if Maarten Paes is really injured then that decision must be taken by Shin Tae-yong to play both goalkeepers, because it is impossible for Bahrain to penetrate the Indonesian defense guarded by Mees Hilgers, Jay Idzes, Rizky Ridho, or Jordi Amat who has just recovered from his injury, so playing Ernando Ari Sutaryadi is a good thing for Shin Tae-yong to do, If Maarten Paes is really injured and insists on playing Maarten Paes then the impact must be considered for the next match, because Indonesia will host China in the next match.

Final Score Prediction: 2 - 1
Victory for Indonesia

In the end, Maarten Paes was able to play from the start and it was very encouraging condition for all Indonesian supporters and also an advantage for the Indonesian national team itself because the presence of Maarten Paes gave confidence to all players that they had great goalkeeper and it was very possible to win.
He played very well today and I saw Maarten Paes make several saves even though he did not respond to anything in the first goal scored by Bahrain thanks to very hard free kick from Mohamed Marhoon that hit the top goalpost and bounced in.
It just that Indonesia game was very good so that they were able to restore the situation by equalizing and managed to dominate the game in the second half until they were able to score goal again for 1 - 2 advantage before something quite surprising happened where the extra time for the second half exceeded the limit and gave Bahrain the opportunity to score goal again and equalize the score to 2 - 2.

~snip~

I'm not someone who follows the games of Asian national teams in great detail, but from the little I've been able to research, in my opinion both teams have problems in attack. Even scoring one goal is very difficult, but Indonesia has a good defense when compared to Bahrain, which is why I see this as the type of game that will have few goals. Maybe there will be only one goal and Indonesia will win the game due to their good defense. I saw that the bookmakers are placing Bahrain as the favorite, even some football analysis sites are placing Bahrain as the favorite. But I think Indonesia has a better chance of winning.

This match showed different condition, in the first half Bahrain was superior in terms of attack and defense because all players were really able to block every Indonesian attack attempt by always closing the space in every position of the Indonesian players.
It just that in the second half Indonesia game was very good, they could defend better and get various right positions in every attack attempt, but there was lot of drama in this match, I quite salute Indonesia game which is really getting crazier with significant increase in quality.
I also got betting win in this match, next against China I think Indonesia can get an absolute victory.

[Out of mind]

Brazil is a traditional team, from this traditional team we have seen many legendary players who have made history in football. You claim that Brazil played well in 2002 but here I would like to add something to you. For example, Brazil has played well in these 22 years, but they have not won any major tournament.  

After 2002, Brazil won the Copa America several times and were defeated in the final. It doesn't mean that Brazil is not going well now, but it doesn't mean that Brazil doesn't have good quality players. There are still good quality players in Brazil but the biggest problem is that there is no experienced manager in Brazil right now to give direction to these good quality players. When a good manager takes over Brazil will once again become one of the best teams in FIFA.

The Brazilian national team has never missed participation in World Cup and their poor performance in the 2026 World Cup qualifiers makes it little doubtful whether Brazil will have to miss out for the first time? Current standings of CONMEBOL FIFA World Cup qualifier  Brazil national teams on 5th standings position and bit difficult opportunity qualifying to World Cup 2026 because have few points remaining from Bolivia and Paraguay national teams have 9 points.

Upcoming two matches later facing Chile and Peru, have bad news for Brazil national team because their important players Vinicius Jr and Eder Militao have out from squad after injuring. Brazil need six points of two matches reach to higher standings place and get easily for qualifying to FIFA World Cup 2026 because have 9 points remaining from Argentina national teams who lead the first position place.

It is not true that a team like Brazil will not qualify for the main stage of the World Cup. Brazil has qualified to play in the main stage of every World Cup so far and we have faith in Brazil that they will continue to do so. But when we remember that former four-time World Cup winning team Italy has never qualified for the main stage of the World Cup in any World Cup tournament, we have doubts that Brazil can really qualify for the main stage of the 2026 World Cup. You said Brazil has consistently underperformed in major tournaments like the World Cup since 2006, and the biggest proof of that is the fact that it's been a long time since the team failed to qualify for the semi-finals.  

In the last few World Cup tournaments we have seen Brazil exit from the quarter finals and now it is doubtful whether Brazil will be able to play in the main stage of the World Cup.

Brazil although struggling as a team, it's really hard to imagine them failing to qualify for the main stage of the championship. In fact, I think they could well reach at least the quarter-finals. Their coach says they will be in the final, I don't know, we'll see, because to get to the final of the World Cup you have to be in much better shape than Brazil is at the moment.

Every time Brazil goes to the World Cup they aim to win the Mission Hexa but so far they have not been able to fulfill their dream of winning the Mission Hexa. There is no player from the team that Brazil won the World Cup with but now Brazil has nothing to be proud of this team. Argentina had performed poorly in the last few years even before winning the World Cup and still regretted not winning an international title in 30 years, but they eventually became World Cup champions. Also won two Copa Americas in a row. The Brazilian team must try to improve a lot. If Brazil are not able to improve themselves everywhere then their dream of winning the Mission Hexa will never come true.

Of course, Brazil try hard enough to fulfill their hexa mission, but they fail time and again. I think there is a lot of lack of Brazilian team's play and confidence, which is why they are not playing at their best. It is true that the Argentina team has performed very poorly in the last few years, and they have come to the last minute to win the World Cup and the Copa América with great success. In that case, I would like to say that since Brazil team has been performing poorly for many years, they must try to improve their game. Although the Brazil team is currently strong, if their strategy and confidence are good, they will certainly be able to fulfill their hexa mission. However, if the Brazil team is to fulfill its dream, they will have to improve from the whole place but will be able to fulfill their Hexa mission.

[Die_empty]

Of course, Brazil try hard enough to fulfill their hexa mission, but they fail time and again. I think there is a lot of lack of Brazilian team's play and confidence, which is why they are not playing at their best. It is true that the Argentina team has performed very poorly in the last few years, and they have come to the last minute to win the World Cup and the Copa América with great success. In that case, I would like to say that since Brazil team has been performing poorly for many years, they must try to improve their game. Although the Brazil team is currently strong, if their strategy and confidence are good, they will certainly be able to fulfill their hexa mission. However, if the Brazil team is to fulfill its dream, they will have to improve from the whole place but will be able to fulfill their Hexa mission.

Brazil just got a boost to their ambition to qualify for the next World Cup by defeating Chile today. Chile took the lead earlier and Brazil equalized before the end of the first half. It took the Brazilian side more than forty minutes to get the winning goal through Luiz Henrique. With these three points, the Samba Boy are now in the fourth position with thirteen points. This will be a big relief to coach Dorival Jr after securing just ten points in eight games. The Brazilian national team are highly unpredictable; they shouldn't be underrated. The country has so many quality players, and if a coach can put together the right squad, they can win any competition.

[ITExpert]

It was very controversial the referee at Bahrain vs Indonesia match, Indonesia failed to secure three points after conceding in the final minute of added time.

Hopefully, they learned from this and aim to secure victory with 2 goal difference or at the very least improve their concentration in the last minutes of a match so they don't concede late goals again. Complaining about unfairness can't guarantee anything IMO, even if governing bodies revise or stop using a controversial referee I don't think they'll change the results of a match that has ended. A football team can only depend on themselves to secure 3 points in this modern time.

So it is their fault while Indonesia is not that strong and better team.  Against Bahrain, Indonesia could not win the match, if they worked hard against them, they could have won the match.  But they could not succeed, which was the real reason.

 If they look better in the next matches, sure, but teams like them learn very little. But the referee shouldn't have done it because that alone explains why.  If it will do such things, it should really be applied for.  So team should work hard and get points, if not next time play with good preparation and win. But if a hard-won team is treated unfairly, it is an insult to the game.

[Jatiluhung]

That injury time is always the such thing to be controverted. I don't know why the referee always not consistent to blow the whistle when the time was appropriate. From 6 minutes to 9 minutes is not acceptable. Yes i can accept when the time extended to 7 minutes, but over 3 minutes is an exaggeration. And when I look how Mohammed Marhoon stand, that look offside, he stands in front from Indonesia defender and the referee didn't look him as offside. So I think this match is not fair for Indonesia, not only lost my bet  , I lose also my excitement throughout the game. Now, we have to win against china on next 15 October to to secure 3dr or 4th the position stand.

It was quite funny to see how the match ended. And if you look at the referee's face, after the second goal scored by Bahrain, we can see that he wanted to quickly blow the whistle to signal the end of the game. This is indeed an annoying ending. But I hope that the Indonesian national team must also maintain their focus even when the coach has not blown the whistle to signal the end of the match. Even though the time will be longer, if the Indonesian national team maintains its focus then I am sure this team can maintain their advantage in this match. Unfortunately, the Indonesian players lost focus in the match due to the referee taking too long to tolerate time that even exceeded 3 minutes. I think everyone who watched the match also realized all the irregularities in the match.  But the most important thing is that hopefully in the match against China we will be able to see Indonesia win the match more convincingly.

[Akbarkoe]

While FIFA did not make a ban on the naturalization of descendants, I thought it was legitimate either any country, maybe even if there were some other countries that had descendants of Indonesian blood it was worthy to get the right if you wanted to play in the Indonesian national team.
Yes, even though it is said that the Netherlands v2.0 or even v.10 even if it is allowed in my opinion it does not need to be a conversation that is too long.

Historically, FIFA has determined that an athlete must have the permanent nationality of a country, whether born or naturalized, in order to represent the respective national team, in addition to prohibiting, as a general rule, a player from representing a second national team after playing for a first one in an official competition of any category or type of football.

But... there are exceptions:
There are some requirements that must be met to allow a player to change sporting nationality in order to represent another national team.
Since 2009, FIFA has removed the age restriction of 21 years and in 2020, some other criteria for multiple eligibility and change of association were changed:
1. Being born in the desired country;
2. Your parents or grandparents were born in the country, or;
3. Having lived continuously in the country for at least 2 years.

And yes most of them are now from their grandparents who are from Indonesia today who want to defend this nation, although there are many complaints about what Indonesia is doing, but FIFA regulations still do not limit it, it is a legal way.
BTW the Indonesia vs Bahrain match last night disappointed me because the referee didn't calculate the end time correctly, he gave 6 minutes extra time while it ended with 9 minutes in the second half which is very coincidental or on purpose that at that time Bahrain managed to equalize their position from Indonesia which ended with a 2-2 draw.

[criptoevangelista]

Of course, Brazil try hard enough to fulfill their hexa mission, but they fail time and again. I think there is a lot of lack of Brazilian team's play and confidence, which is why they are not playing at their best. It is true that the Argentina team has performed very poorly in the last few years, and they have come to the last minute to win the World Cup and the Copa América with great success. In that case, I would like to say that since Brazil team has been performing poorly for many years, they must try to improve their game. Although the Brazil team is currently strong, if their strategy and confidence are good, they will certainly be able to fulfill their hexa mission. However, if the Brazil team is to fulfill its dream, they will have to improve from the whole place but will be able to fulfill their Hexa mission.

The Hexa plan for the Brazilian team will be a practically impossible objective to achieve in this World Cup, even though they have good players on the team, there are no tactics, rehearsed plays, there is no standard of play... Can someone please tell me what Brazil's game system is? Because I can't see any... It's been 22 years since Brazil won a World Cup, that's a long time, the truly above-average players left the Brazilian team in 2006, that is, 18 years ago, since then it has been said that it is a renewal of the team, but a renewal that lasts almost 2 decades? That's all wrong.

[cryptoWODL]

Of course, Brazil try hard enough to fulfill their hexa mission, but they fail time and again. I think there is a lot of lack of Brazilian team's play and confidence, which is why they are not playing at their best. It is true that the Argentina team has performed very poorly in the last few years, and they have come to the last minute to win the World Cup and the Copa América with great success. In that case, I would like to say that since Brazil team has been performing poorly for many years, they must try to improve their game. Although the Brazil team is currently strong, if their strategy and confidence are good, they will certainly be able to fulfill their hexa mission. However, if the Brazil team is to fulfill its dream, they will have to improve from the whole place but will be able to fulfill their Hexa mission.

The Hexa plan for the Brazilian team will be a practically impossible objective to achieve in this World Cup, even though they have good players on the team, there are no tactics, rehearsed plays, there is no standard of play... Can someone please tell me what Brazil's game system is? Because I can't see any... It's been 22 years since Brazil won a World Cup, that's a long time, the truly above-average players left the Brazilian team in 2006, that is, 18 years ago, since then it has been said that it is a renewal of the team, but a renewal that lasts almost 2 decades? That's all wrong.

Those who expect the current Brazil team to fill the hexa may be fools because they are not looking at the recent poor performances of these players ie the performance of the Brazil team. Even those with the slightest knowledge of football would not say right now that Brazil will be able to complete the hexa mission with their current squad. The condition of this team has now reached such a level that they are going to miss out on a place in the World Cup after losing most of the World Cup qualifiers.

However, they went one step closer to qualifying for the World Cup with a win over Chile in their last match. For the Brazil team to fulfill the hexa mission, they need to develop more skilled players who will take the team to the highest level of success with extreme confidence and great performances.

[Hanadawa]

BTW the Indonesia vs Bahrain match last night disappointed me because the referee didn't calculate the end time correctly, he gave 6 minutes extra time while it ended with 9 minutes in the second half which is very coincidental or on purpose that at that time Bahrain managed to equalize their position from Indonesia which ended with a 2-2 draw.

Honestly I was very happy when the match had been going on until the 97th minute. I mean this would be Indonesia's first win in the qualifying round and they deserved to win this match. Unfortunately the referee kept wasting time until a corner kick resulted in a goal. This is a disappointing result but we should not keep thinking about this match. Currently Indonesia is ranked 5th in the standings. This is not a good result and losing 3 points is really very disappointing. I hope Indonesia can win the match against China so that they still have a chance to qualify for the 2026 World Cup.

[fullhdpixel]

If the players haven't figured out how to deal with high altitudes by now, well, they deserve to lose. I mean, come on, no respectable player or coach will complain anymore. This is modern football Bolivia past 8 home matches, only 3 wins, 1 draw, 4 losses. So yeah man, it's not an issue anymore.

And about Brazil, no Vinicius so they might actually win big this time

Maybe I am not alone in this thought or maybe I am just myself, but I honestly believe Brazil should not even be in 2026 world cup. Because they are doing terrible right now and even if they can barely go there, they are going to be humiliated. The best would be just pulling the plug early and trying to recover from the current state they are in. They will realize something is wrong, and next time they will have more hunger towards world cup.

In this case, world cup 2030 could become something they can win, and this is why they should miss this time around. I am not considering this as a big deal at the moment, but I believe they could definitely miss and be better later on. After all, what's the point of joining in, and then do terrible and go back home, if you could not even join for once but have a chance to win next time. I remember 2022 was a period where people thought Brazil was top three team, and now they are not even top 5 or 10.

[Forsyth Jones]

Of course, Brazil try hard enough to fulfill their hexa mission, but they fail time and again. I think there is a lot of lack of Brazilian team's play and confidence, which is why they are not playing at their best. It is true that the Argentina team has performed very poorly in the last few years, and they have come to the last minute to win the World Cup and the Copa América with great success. In that case, I would like to say that since Brazil team has been performing poorly for many years, they must try to improve their game. Although the Brazil team is currently strong, if their strategy and confidence are good, they will certainly be able to fulfill their hexa mission. However, if the Brazil team is to fulfill its dream, they will have to improve from the whole place but will be able to fulfill their Hexa mission.

The Hexa plan for the Brazilian team will be a practically impossible objective to achieve in this World Cup, even though they have good players on the team, there are no tactics, rehearsed plays, there is no standard of play... Can someone please tell me what Brazil's game system is? Because I can't see any... It's been 22 years since Brazil won a World Cup, that's a long time, the truly above-average players left the Brazilian team in 2006, that is, 18 years ago, since then it has been said that it is a renewal of the team, but a renewal that lasts almost 2 decades? That's all wrong.

For me, the last chance brazil had to win the World Cup was in 2010 when Ronaldinho was not called up. This was Dunga's biggest mistake, as he was the coach at the time. He was heavily criticized at the time. Furthermore, he could have called up Neymar, but Neymar was too young at the time and I don't know if he'd be able to handle the pressure of being in a World Cup and if he would have enough physical strength to handle it, because Neymar gets injured very easily, even today.

Other players like Adriano and Ronaldo, who were at Corinthians at the time, could also be considered.

Not to mention that the 2010 World Cup was one of the most special of all. I don't remember another World Cup as themed as that one. If Brazil had won that World Cup, I'd have been satisfied. They could have gone another 4 World Cups without winning.

[Juse14]

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While FIFA did not make a ban on the naturalization of descendants, I thought it was legitimate either any country, maybe even if there were some other countries that had descendants of Indonesian blood it was worthy to get the right if you wanted to play in the Indonesian national team.
Yes, even though it is said that the Netherlands v2.0 or even v.10 even if it is allowed in my opinion it does not need to be a conversation that is too long.

There may be some people who feel unacceptable because many of the national team players are filled with diaspora players, so it becomes a debate. However, the Indonesian national team is not entirely filled with diaspora players, and this shows that Shin Tae-young has a balance in choosing players. So apart from relying on diaspora players, he also gives opportunities to local players who do have potential and ability. This shows that Shin Tae-young's main goal is to strengthen the national team, trying to utilize the best talents, regardless of where they come from.

And further in the Asian zone World Cup qualifying event group c, Indonesia has never experienced defeat. And when we watched yesterday's match when the Indonesian national team played against Bahrain. Although Indonesia has a bad history when playing against Bahrain, where Indonesia lost 10-0 to Bahrain at that time. But in yesterday's match, the young Garuda played quite well and managed to match Bahrain's game. in the match Indonesia should have come out as the winner, but because in the match there were several controversial referee decisions, in the end the match ended in a draw.

In a few days Indonesia will face China, and I believe Indonesia will win 3 points, even though they are playing away.

[mv1986]

For me, the last chance brazil had to win the World Cup was in 2010 when Ronaldinho was not called up. This was Dunga's biggest mistake, as he was the coach at the time. He was heavily criticized at the time. Furthermore, he could have called up Neymar, but Neymar was too young at the time and I don't know if he'd be able to handle the pressure of being in a World Cup and if he would have enough physical strength to handle it, because Neymar gets injured very easily, even today.

Other players like Adriano and Ronaldo, who were at Corinthians at the time, could also be considered.

Not to mention that the 2010 World Cup was one of the most special of all. I don't remember another World Cup as themed as that one. If Brazil had won that World Cup, I'd have been satisfied. They could have gone another 4 World Cups without winning.

I believe the first really big wake up call was when Brazil got destroyed when they hosted the World Cup in 2014 against Germany. I don't know the data, but it must have been the worst defeat in decades for them? Losing a game 7-1 when you host the World Cup as the biggest football nation of all times is like red alert.

I don't know whether Ronaldinho could have won them anything in 2010, especially as Spain was on a level of their own. But still the game against the Netherlands, the final opponent for Spain, was in great shape too. But it were the small things back then and when Brazil got the red card, it was pretty much game over.

Now I think what is concerning is that playing bad is not an exception anymore for Brazil. They have won the game now and they will get away with it and qualify for sure, but 13 points after 9 games? That's brutal and I understand every Brazilian fan to be frustrated. They still have some of the greatest players in the world and yet they can't put a functioning squad together.