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[slackovic]

I am reading the discussion and I have to say that I have never thought about how my opponent will answer a question. I always go with how I feel the outcome of a game will be. Maybe it's because I'm not following sport that closely so I'm always going with a safe option. But I don't understand why would I risk a point by answering differently than what I think my opponent will answer. Surprises are always possible in sport but I never expect a surprise simply because they are rarer than expected outcome.

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[Trofo]

I am reading the discussion and I have to say that I have never thought about how my opponent will answer a question. I always go with how I feel the outcome of a game will be. Maybe it's because I'm not following sport that closely so I'm always going with a safe option. But I don't understand why would I risk a point by answering differently than what I think my opponent will answer. Surprises are always possible in sport but I never expect a surprise simply because they are rarer than expected outcome.

It is not just that, it is the odds. Let's go back to Alcaraz example, he was 1.10 to win against Dimitrov. Even though I believed Dimitrov is winning that I will never play that high odds in competition like this. You are playing against the bookie and whole field and even if you win you don't get the payout that should go with odds like that.

Simply not worth it. I rather picked Alcaraz here and played it safe in BSFL then backed Dimitrov to cover 4.5 handicap on ticket.

[B1g4udge]

thanks to Draymond Green for help me in the GSW and Curry's question
what do you think is it possible? I think it is around 15-25% success

[slackovic]

It is not just that, it is the odds. Let's go back to Alcaraz example, he was 1.10 to win against Dimitrov. Even though I believed Dimitrov is winning that I will never play that high odds in competition like this. You are playing against the bookie and whole field and even if you win you don't get the payout that should go with odds like that.

Simply not worth it. I rather picked Alcaraz here and played it safe in BSFL then backed Dimitrov to cover 4.5 handicap on ticket.

That may sound like a great way to combine BSFL and betting, but it sounds like mumbo jumbo to me Since I don't follow sport that closely like many of you, I have no idea when a favorit player could easily lose. But that's something I know it's my weakeness in this competition and I'm OK with ti. To be honest, I'm pretty surprised that I made it three seasons in a row in division 1

[Harkorede]

thanks to Draymond Green for help me in the GSW and Curry's question
what do you think is it possible? I think it is around 15-25% success

I don't know, perhaps I could be wrong, but I wouldn't consider the question over already the two games the Golden State Warriors have played so far are the toughest, while tonight they'll be up against an heavily flawed and defenseless Charlotte Hornets team, there is almost no better team to rack up points against that the Hornets right now, so you might want to keep an eye out for what Curry has in store, because you just never can tell.

[arallmuus]

@arallmuus playing against you is so stressful man- I get notifications every 30 minutes  

HAHA, you bet !

Anyway Southampton didnt win also its under 2.5 goals so another point for me and I double checked to make sure if I had win and yeah I won. Good round for the week, last question between us for tomorrow  . I hope to score another point for this, need that extra lead ahead because Im currently -3 SD

I am reading the discussion and I have to say that I have never thought about how my opponent will answer a question.

Well regarding this, its actually spot on if you skim through the answers randomly.

Some players would always go for the 'safest' options possible

[CLS63]

I have guaranteed getting 3 points this week because of answering the tennis question better than my opponent as well. I'm going to challenge to win the 40 usd free bet and improve my goal difference score this week from now on. I'm going to play against the league leader jayce next week. On top of that while jayce's team are resting this week my team are going to be on the pitch exhausted after a difficult challenge against mitchr4.

[arallmuus]

On top of that while jayce's team are resting this week my team are going to be on the pitch exhausted after a difficult challenge against mitchr4.

Jayce asked me on monday wether his answers would count for the free bets because he is not playing against anyone so I told him that it will still count and yeah he said that he was going to submit. On Wednesday he told me that he filled in the answers but forgot to click submit because he had some urgent errands to rush on that moment after filling in the answers lol so yeah he wasnt really 'resting' I guess more like he forgot to click submit 

Im actually glad that casperBGD has already withdrew from the tournament otherwise its going to cost Jayce 1 penalty points

oh yeah, dont let Jayce know I told you guys this little secret

[darbitmobilerecovery]

I am reading the discussion and I have to say that I have never thought about how my opponent will answer a question. I always go with how I feel the outcome of a game will be. Maybe it's because I'm not following sport that closely so I'm always going with a safe option. But I don't understand why would I risk a point by answering differently than what I think my opponent will answer. Surprises are always possible in sport but I never expect a surprise simply because they are rarer than expected outcome.

This is more related to the type of person you are, and maybe you are confident in your selections, this is like in football some coaches make teir plans and plays without see how the other team plays, and others dont makes anything by himself they only try to stop the way the other team play, that coaches normally are fully defensive, and the other ones are more towards attacking.

For me like other said beofre, i put my selections by the way i think but in some cases i cover what the other guy is gonna put if im not 100% sure.

[mv1986]

Yes the penalties are significant! It's obviously losing the chance to win 3 points and then getting -1, which is a spread of potential 4 points. You finished the season with 24 points including -1 and I finished the season with 23 points including -1. If I submitted (which was quite impossible for me that round), a win would have given me the 3rd rank. 8th and 3rd is a massive difference in the payout. But ok, it is still possible to play an ok season with one failed submission although I do think that there can be circumstances in life where someone just can't send it out. But we still need a fixed set of rules that apply to everyone equally. It's the only way forward. 

We already mentioned once that there is a possibility to postpone game upfront if you know you are absolutely unable to submit. For instance you are going on surgery or something we can help you out but not if you are going on holiday and feel lazy to fill it out on mobile. It will never get into rules officially since people could abuse it but you guys can always contact us on individual basis.

Yes I remember there was something like that, but I was only referring to the rare case when somebody gets caught on the wrong foot by some completely unexpected event. But as I said, rules are rules and apart from the scenario you described where someone knows in advance, all other cases can't be handled as an exception as that would deteriorate the level playing field for everyone. Hence, the rules make sense and should stay in place as they are.


How the hell was Dimitrov able to beat Alcaraz? I checked the ATP ranking just now when I wrote this question and saw that he isn't that bad. I thought he crashed down all the way in the ranking in the last couple of years. Never heard that he won anything. But still around and good enough to eliminate Alcaraz.

[Harkorede]

How the hell was Dimitrov able to beat Alcaraz? I checked the ATP ranking just now when I wrote this question and saw that he isn't that bad. I thought he crashed down all the way in the ranking in the last couple of years. Never heard that he won anything. But still around and good enough to eliminate Alcaraz.

There is much more to Tennis than just what the ATP ranking suggest, there are some players that are a headache for certain players simply because of their strength.

Dimitrov definitely is no slouch when it comes to playing tennis at a top level, and he's a very good player with a very similar style to Roger Federer, he's even nicknamed Baby Fed for that reason. Alcaraz strength comes from being a very physical player, and very mobile, but still have a huge weakness especially with his service, he's never at an advantage even when serving, he barely gets any free point from serving against top opponents.

Dimitrov had all the answers to Alcaraz play in that game, he didn't need to be completely mobile to beat Alcaraz because, even when Alcaraz kept going for the baseline and far corner top spin shots, Dimitrov had the advantage due to his flawless one hand backhand spin, drop or winning shots ability.

[slackovic]

There is much more to Tennis than just what the ATP ranking suggest, there are some players that are a headache for certain players simply because of their strength.

Dimitrov definitely is no slouch when it comes to playing tennis at a top level, and he's a very good player with a very similar style to Roger Federer, he's even nicknamed Baby Fed for that reason. Alcaraz strength comes from being a very physical player, and very mobile, but still have a huge weakness especially with his service, he's never at an advantage even when serving, he barely gets any free point from serving against top opponents.

Dimitrov had all the answers to Alcaraz play in that game, he didn't need to be completely mobile to beat Alcaraz because, even when Alcaraz kept going for the baseline and far corner top spin shots, Dimitrov had the advantage due to his flawless one hand backhand spin, drop or winning shots ability.

This post is a great answer to my question on why would anyone go with a surprise result instead of a safe bet. I guess you really like tennis and follow it closely. I watch tennis only when there is a Davis Cup tournament and Croatia is playing. Otherwise, it's a boring sport to me.

This is more related to the type of person you are, and maybe you are confident in your selections, this is like in football some coaches make teir plans and plays without see how the other team plays, and others dont makes anything by himself they only try to stop the way the other team play, that coaches normally are fully defensive, and the other ones are more towards attacking.

For me like other said beofre, i put my selections by the way i think but in some cases i cover what the other guy is gonna put if im not 100% sure.

With this explanation I guess I know how I managed to win all rounds in the season one and now in season four I can't get a single win. I guess other teams really got to know my style of play, so they already know how I will answer even before I submit my answers. That's actually good to know because now I can make adjustments to my game

[slaman29]

But I don't understand why would I risk a point by answering differently than what I think my opponent will answer. Surprises are always possible in sport but I never expect a surprise simply because they are rarer than expected outcome.

It's not risking a point, if you think you know better

For example the football Yes/No question, it's very good Cro2 uses it because it's not straightforward as the odds make it. Newcastle vs West Ham for example or Manchester United are the ones who win if you look at odds, so if I play against you, I know you pick them 100%

Do I want to go safe and follow? Or trust my instinct and possibly win that difficult question, while playing safe on Alcaraz which I know also 100% you'll pick

[Trofo]

Do I want to go safe and follow? Or trust my instinct and possibly win that difficult question, while playing safe on Alcaraz which I know also 100% you'll pick

It is a fine line to thread. You have to go against the odds but usually it is not worth going too much against the odds if you know what I mean Taking odds of @3 rather @2 on a hunch is probably fine but going @6.5 instead of @1.1 like in Alcaraz case is a bit overdoing it. It is different when betting since it gets you much more if you win but in competitions like this you are bound to loose long time.

Maybe we will try to put some questions in the future that take odds into consideration. For instance H2H question, we give few teams and if you go for favorite it gives you 1 point and if you go for underdog it gives you 2 points.

[Harkorede]

There is much more to Tennis than just what the ATP ranking suggest, there are some players that are a headache for certain players simply because of their strength.

Dimitrov definitely is no slouch when it comes to playing tennis at a top level, and he's a very good player with a very similar style to Roger Federer, he's even nicknamed Baby Fed for that reason. Alcaraz strength comes from being a very physical player, and very mobile, but still have a huge weakness especially with his service, he's never at an advantage even when serving, he barely gets any free point from serving against top opponents.

Dimitrov had all the answers to Alcaraz play in that game, he didn't need to be completely mobile to beat Alcaraz because, even when Alcaraz kept going for the baseline and far corner top spin shots, Dimitrov had the advantage due to his flawless one hand backhand spin, drop or winning shots ability.

This post is a great answer to my question on why would anyone go with a surprise result instead of a safe bet. I guess you really like tennis and follow it closely. I watch tennis only when there is a Davis Cup tournament and Croatia is playing. Otherwise, it's a boring sport to me.

This is more related to the type of person you are, and maybe you are confident in your selections, this is like in football some coaches make teir plans and plays without see how the other team plays, and others dont makes anything by himself they only try to stop the way the other team play, that coaches normally are fully defensive, and the other ones are more towards attacking.

For me like other said beofre, i put my selections by the way i think but in some cases i cover what the other guy is gonna put if im not 100% sure.

With this explanation I guess I know how I managed to win all rounds in the season one and now in season four I can't get a single win. I guess other teams really got to know my style of play, so they already know how I will answer even before I submit my answers. That's actually good to know because now I can make adjustments to my game

That’s why BSFL is a tactically very unique game, I over play my hand in certain instances, but most of the time I play very conservatively if I know my opponent and put the odds into consideration, in the second round, I had Swiatek not to make the semi-finals and I got that wrong but regardless of the odds that’s something I’ll likely always go with once I see the player’s bracket, but then it’s a different ball game, if you have a certain amount of players and you have to pick Yes, or No, so there is no grey area.

I’m not so much of a tennis addict, but I do pay attention to whatever sports and or players I decide to spend my time watching, Dimitrov defeating Zverev further proves his win against Alcaraz was no fluke.

[slackovic]

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Maybe we will try to put some questions in the future that take odds into consideration. For instance H2H question, we give few teams and if you go for favorite it gives you 1 point and if you go for underdog it gives you 2 points.

This sounds like a good idea. Maybe it would be best to introduce one question like that in a round to see how it goes. But it sounds like it would bring some extra fun to the competition.

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I’m not so much of a tennis addict, but I do pay attention to whatever sports and or players I decide to spend my time watching, Dimitrov defeating Zverev further proves his win against Alcaraz was no fluke.

Yeah, he seems to be in a pretty good form. But the problem is that in Indian Wells he lost straight 2-0 to Medvedev. That's practically the same tournament as Miami (ATP1000, hardcourt) and he couldn't pass the second round. At least that's how it looks to me.

[Harkorede]

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I’m not so much of a tennis addict, but I do pay attention to whatever sports and or players I decide to spend my time watching, Dimitrov defeating Zverev further proves his win against Alcaraz was no fluke.

Yeah, he seems to be in a pretty good form. But the problem is that in Indian Wells he lost straight 2-0 to Medvedev. That's practically the same tournament as Miami (ATP1000, hardcourt) and he couldn't pass the second round. At least that's how it looks to me.

Tennis really is a strange sport, because what would you say of Medvedev then who has not dropped a set yet in Miami, and lost like a novice to Jannik Sinner 6-2, 6-1 ? and also lost Indian Wells finals to Alcaraz in straight set as well, while he put a good fight in the first set losing 7-5, he lost the second set 6-1, meaning while being the world No. 4 ranked tennis player, his last 2 games against the No. 2 and No. 3 players have been straight set losses, while the last 3 sets have been 6-1, 6-1 and 6-2 defeats, to a layman that might suggest he’s nowhere near competing with those two guys but in reality that’s not the case, and according to the sportsbook odds he was a not so significant underdog in the last match, while being the favorite in the first one.

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Thanks to Newcastle for that epic come back, now I’m within a win from either Juventus or Manchester United to draw level, while a Milan win would put me ahead 🤞🏾🤞🏾

[arallmuus]

Thanks to Newcastle for that epic come back, now I’m within a win from either Juventus or Manchester United to draw level, while a Milan win would put me ahead 🤞🏾🤞🏾

Well this got to be one of the most craziest comeback I've seen. I thought the game was already over when West Ham scored that 3rd goal. Its really hard coming back from that for sure and even if they do, I kinda expected Newcastle to get a draw but that 4th goal from Newcastle changes everything for me. I could have won another extra point from this question if only they didnt score that 4th goal. Oh well, still wins the rounds but kinda surprised

[buwaytress]

Georgian Maradona got too high after beating Greece, not sure if he played, but I just saw Atalanta crushed Napoli. Congratulations darxiaomi, you deserve all 3 points and I deserve nothing. What a dire season this is turning out to be for me, hm.

I like Trofo's idea of adding "weight" based on odds. More incentive for players to take risk, means more exciting outcomes. Have a feeling it will mean even heavier defeats for me though heh.

[Trofo]

I like Trofo's idea of adding "weight" based on odds. More incentive for players to take risk, means more exciting outcomes. Have a feeling it will mean even heavier defeats for me though heh.

Don't get your hopes up just yet, stuff like that is notoriously difficult to implement and get it right. And when we start talking odds than you actually have sportsbook and we are not trying to replace that, we are trying to offer something unique.

We are talking about new things all the times and looking what we can bring to the table that hasn't been seen yet. Should be something special up for EURO at least if don't add something new to BSFL before than