FORTUNEJACK.COM | Ongoing lawsuit, 120k usd stolen | Shady practices

[PaperWallet]

And even if the court decides that the casino is right - it is rare situation when the gamblers goes to the court.

They have no chance…. Their only chance is to flee Curaçao and leave the bill up to their regulator to pay.

I had my history with fortunejack and they have some strange policies with their legal team that resulted in confiscating of my coins.
[…]
It was my choice to stop using and recommending them, and I accepted my loses, but I would be real pissed if that amount was 120k.

Thank you for sharing.

[Slow death]

You didn't answer what I asked you and that's why I had to read and reread all 7 pages of this thread:

FortuneJack making 120,000 dollars disappear from my account!

and I couldn't understand one thing: you managed to withdraw your winnings from the bet that you won, I'm not talking about the 3 bets that were cancelled, I'm talking about the only bet that they didn't cancel.

now talking about legal terms, I noticed that in your scam accusation thread you mentioned that the case is in the court of curacao, from what I could read in the accusation thread, if I were you I would be very careful with what your or any lawyer if it gives you any hope that you can win this case, I'm not on the side of the casino, but I need you to see that despite having a strange TOS at that time ( I don't know if today is different ) their TOS is very clear and gives them the right to proceed as they proceeded in your case regarding the bets you placed

at least up to this point i haven't seen anything scamming and in no court will they lose this case, because just look at their arguments in the scam accusation thread and evidence they showed then it's clear that they are not wrong about the procedure of the 3 bets that were canceled and also the limit of 100,000$. You would only have a case of being accused of a scam if, after they put the money from your win of less than 100,000$, you were unable to withdraw that money.

I believe that in court when they present what they posted on this forum the judge will only have one question: did you manage to withdraw the money you won from a bet after they canceled the other 3 bets? as soon as you answer that yes you did withdraw and you didn't have any problem withdrawing then the case will be closed, the problem is that you are spending years with a lawyer, and you know that their TOS was already that crooked way before you created an account, you are wasting time and money on this case

but anyway, the money is yours, just be careful not to be disappointed in the end

[PaperWallet]

You didn't answer what I asked you and that's why I had to read and reread all 7 pages of this thread:

FortuneJack making 120,000 dollars disappear from my account!

Sorry to hear you had to read and reread all 7 pages of that thread. How many times you read it?

I understand your reasoning but I don't fully agree with it. Of course that a lawsuit, until a decision is made by the judge, doesn't mean or prove guilty that casino and we shouldn't demonise it

I also understand your point, but just tell me about a sportsbook that’s not a scam that has a lawsuit for unpaid winnings… This is unheard of. There are some very well known casinos out there to choose from and while awaiting what will happen with this case there’s not a single reason to use Fortunejack. On my side I just don’t care if they go bankrupt because it will be their regulator who will pay the bill.

[dezoel]

For a gambling platform to have a lawsuit does not mean that the casino is not good for other gamblers to use and make bets. Lawsuit is a normal thing as this business may concern because I don't see anything wrong for a company to have a lawsuit or a matter in the court. Same thing happens when stake was taken to court and many were think of reducing the rate at which they make bets on the platform.

Lawsuit is not common in online casino because the only way customer will file a lawsuit is when he is confident enough to his case. Typical issue of the casino always solved via the forum, 3rd party gambling arbitrage or Curacao report. What common instances is casino always have an active scam accusation in the forum.

A lawsuit will automatically junk if there’s no basis on the case. So if the casino has a an active lawsuit therefore something is really wrong. But on this case. OP is just full of BS because he can’t provide any evidence for having one. I doubt too that he will waste money on lawsuit while his case is very obvious against casino terms and conditions for doing double same bets to rigged the casino.

Maybe it is common but we are not aware of it because our forum has no section for lawsuit, just a scam accuse. The number of scam accuse is more than the lawsuit because it is easy to post it and it was only free but lawsuit has a big money involved and the only one that can do it are the whale gamblers because they can gamble huge amounts.

I totally agree on what @Desmong said. Not all sites that has a lawsuit are now dangerous to access but maybe there is only a miss understanding between the player and the casino owner. We can just continue playing there are long as the site is still proven to be legit and the lawsuit issue will just be resolved later on. Stake got a lawsuit too before but they are still standing strong.

[PaperWallet]

Stake got a lawsuit too before but they are still standing strong.

Got a lawsuit about what? About not paying winnings? Of course not. Stake is a respectable website.

[QueenVera]

I understand this situation and i don`t ask any private information. But i think it would be correct to inform the members about the result. I think that information about appeals not so value, but the result decision of the court we must know. And it doesn`t matter who will win - if you decided to move to the court we have to believe their decision.

Agree since how would people believe this if there's no update regarding on the lawsuit filed against them? Its like he just want people to believe that there something like that to happen and no question or update will be ask since you just need to believe him. That's crazy action and people will not gonna buy that since people need to see some information show before they believe on their accusation against the platform.

It is possible that someone, who just begin to gamble will not risk and choose the other casino. He willn`t make any research - just negative feedback and the gambler chooses another casino.
But anyway we need this information and the result of the court, such situations are possible for any casino and we must know about it and the reaction of the casino support can help us to make a decision about the casino.

We should just assume they are innocent until proven wrong. Many things can happen when funds are stolen. Fund are stolen from banks on regular bases and we still use them, so lets see first what will the court say.

The rate  at which many people speak so ill about the business  of others and internationally  create fear about other leioles effort is already getting very alarming.
I think op has already earned  a red trust from this very post and I hope we all learn from this act and make proper investigations before spreading  fear about the business of another man and I also agree with other users who boldly said that banks steal money regularly  from us and yet we still trust them with our monies.
Fortunejack has been a very reputable  casino and over the years has shown commitment and there is no need spreading  fear simply because they have a lawsuit against them as who knows if they might be given victory in court.

[PaperWallet]

I had my history with fortunejack and they have some strange policies with their legal team that resulted in confiscating of my coins.
[…]
It was my choice to stop using and recommending them, and I accepted my loses, but I would be real pissed if that amount was 120k.

Did you write about your experience in this forum? I checked your profile but didn’t see this.

[mak013]

I understand this situation and i don`t ask any private information. But i think it would be correct to inform the members about the result. I think that information about appeals not so value, but the result decision of the court we must know. And it doesn`t matter who will win - if you decided to move to the court we have to believe their decision.

Agree since how would people believe this if there's no update regarding on the lawsuit filed against them? Its like he just want people to believe that there something like that to happen and no question or update will be ask since you just need to believe him. That's crazy action and people will not gonna buy that since people need to see some information show before they believe on their accusation against the platform.

It is possible that someone, who just begin to gamble will not risk and choose the other casino. He willn`t make any research - just negative feedback and the gambler chooses another casino.
But anyway we need this information and the result of the court, such situations are possible for any casino and we must know about it and the reaction of the casino support can help us to make a decision about the casino.

We should just assume they are innocent until proven wrong. Many things can happen when funds are stolen. Fund are stolen from banks on regular bases and we still use them, so lets see first what will the court say.

The rate  at which many people speak so ill about the business  of others and internationally  create fear about other leioles effort is already getting very alarming.
I think op has already earned  a red trust from this very post and I hope we all learn from this act and make proper investigations before spreading  fear about the business of another man and I also agree with other users who boldly said that banks steal money regularly  from us and yet we still trust them with our monies.
Fortunejack has been a very reputable  casino and over the years has shown commitment and there is no need spreading  fear simply because they have a lawsuit against them as who knows if they might be given victory in court.

I can`t agree with you. Of course everyone must decide by himself about trust, but the OP didn`t just created thread, he went to the court and spent time and money to prove his accusation. The result will show who is right, but i think that there is nothing to give red trust to the OP in this situation.

[benalexis12]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5368279.0


And for those who clicked on this topic, I'll give you a bonus, that I think nobody else on the internet can give you, and that could save you some cheating from online casinos (since I've got first hand information).

This post though is about my own analysis and opinion on how things could go forward from here, not a certainty.

During last year, Casinos based in Curacao (like FortuneJack) have been arguing in the court of appeal that they don't have to pay any winnings for their customers, since they think the law cannot enforce anyone to pay gambling winnings (true story, coming from "casinos"). The decision of the court of appeal has been that yes they are organisations that have to pay winnings for the games they decide to offer.

But there is one more thing: The courts are not the ones who run these casinos. So if they can't steal users funds anymore by simply closing accounts, common sense says they'll be finding new ways to cheat customers.... So watch out to play only provably fair (that you actually understand) games and live games where you can actually verify you're not being cheated.


Edit: For the people posting here, saying this is FUD, go ask FortuneJack if no legal procedure is going against them. If not, ask them if they paid me already or not (with interest for being about 2 years late on payment). I am not giving any evidence, nor am I giving any details.

Edit 22/04/23: I am not trusting anyone on this forum to give them more details or evidence in private message, so please don't ask. I do not intend to convince most people here, since experience shows they're mostly dishonest. It's for those who followed me here for some time and know I pretty much like the truth, and for those who have some common sense reading the link of my scam accusation above.

By the way, if you don't have the confidence to tell the whole story of what happened to you, why did you make another topic here in the forum when you appealed the scam accusation? Now what do you want to release on the topic you have already created this. Why don't you just wait for the result of the complaint to find out if the investigation will be in your favor. Then I can say that Fortunejack has a reputation here in crypto gambling because it has been here for several years to be honest.

[PaperWallet]

Why don't you just wait for the result of the complaint to find out if the investigation will be in your favor.

What investigation?

OP didn`t just created thread, he went to the court and spent time and money to prove his accusation. The result will show who is right.

Yes, I will be posting the result here. This might take time though.


But a settlement is very unlikely, since it seems the same people who took half my winnings in 2021 are still running Fortunejack now. Now they want to pay half of the remaining half lol. That’s how you know it’s still run by the same people. It’s the guy who always wants to pay half lol.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Edit: For the people posting here, saying this is FUD, go ask FortuneJack if no legal procedure is going against them. If not, ask them if they paid me already or not (with interest for being about 2 years late on payment). I am not giving any evidence, nor am I giving any details.

Edit 22/04/23: I am not trusting anyone on this forum to give them more details or evidence in private message, so please don't ask. I do not intend to convince most people here, since experience shows they're mostly dishonest. It's for those who followed me here for some time and know I pretty much like the truth, and for those who have some common sense reading the link of my scam accusation above.

So, you are talking rubbish. If you don't like this forum so much, and most of us are so dishonest, I don't know why you want to get merit for spreading FUD on FortuneJack.

The rate  at which many people speak so ill about the business  of others and internationally  create fear about other leioles effort is already getting very alarming.
I think op has already earned  a red trust from this very post <...>

I can`t agree with you. Of course everyone must decide by himself about trust, but the OP didn`t just created thread, he went to the court and spent time and money to prove his accusation. The result will show who is right, but i think that there is nothing to give red trust to the OP in this situation.

Well, OP earned red trust prior to this thread. The two negative feedbacks he has and the neutral one from a DT saying he has put him on ignore don't say very well about him.

[mak013]

The rate  at which many people speak so ill about the business  of others and internationally  create fear about other leioles effort is already getting very alarming.
I think op has already earned  a red trust from this very post <...>

I can`t agree with you. Of course everyone must decide by himself about trust, but the OP didn`t just created thread, he went to the court and spent time and money to prove his accusation. The result will show who is right, but i think that there is nothing to give red trust to the OP in this situation.

Well, OP earned red trust prior to this thread. The two negative feedbacks he has and the neutral one from a DT saying he has put him on ignore don't say very well about him.

I read all his trust feedbacks. And i can`t say that all of them are talking the same thing. So, i`d prefer to believe trusted feedbacks. And here we see one feedback from Hhampuz(date 2021-11-11) about this situation. And this situation wasn`t solved yet.
The second feedback was a year ago. It is serious enough, but it is surely was not created due to this thread.

[PaperWallet]

So, you are talking rubbish. If you don't like this forum so much, and most of us are so dishonest

The few here who are honest and know I am too, are the main target of this thread. Of course if you don’t like it you might want to check other more interesting subjects (same goes for many here). I don’t expect though that you would understand half of the story since you can’t do better for a living than participating in signature campaigns for shitposting on the Internet.

From a strictly legal standpoint, OP is in the wrong, I would think. However he claims to have opened a lawsuit so lets see how that goes.

Fortunejack had been giving some creative fancy interpretations to their terms and conditions to justify stealing from me.

On the other hand, even if their terms and conditions were to be interpreted as they want to, they have acted against the dutsch civil code by not making their terms and conditions’ authenticity sufficiently warranted. They could have added those terms after my win, who knows (and boy they would be that bad even in trying to fraud). Respected companies send their terms and conditions to customers by email.

[AussieMat]

I bet on sports and I’ve never heard of such a thing. When I bet and my bets are « accepted », I expect to be paid! This is so disgusting. This sportsbetting website should have his license revoked and be liquidated until all customers are paid.

[Outhue]

So you are really offered money for opposing an online gambling network? Why are you people this cruel? How much is worth of you to destroy something that someone has worked so hard to accomplish?

If truly Fortune Jack is not a reliable online gambling website why are the complaints coming from new accounts only? I have to use Fortune Jack few times now and I don't have any problem, that's why I keep promoting, if something is off someone that's well ranked on this forum will have raised an alarm.

For the fact that some bad actors are paying people like OP to destroy the imagine of any online gambling platform is disgusting, change your ways people, karma is for real and it's a Bitch.

[PaperWallet]

Stake got a lawsuit too before but they are still standing strong.

Got a lawsuit about what? About not paying winnings? Of course not. Stake is a respectable website.

Hi Dezoel,
Could you please elaborate more on this? I googled it and found nothing but about a lawsuit on stake.com from a partner. Nothing about a player suing stake.com for not paying winnings.

[Beparanf]

Stake got a lawsuit too before but they are still standing strong.

Got a lawsuit about what? About not paying winnings? Of course not. Stake is a respectable website.

Hi Dezoel,
Could you please elaborate more on this? I googled it and found nothing but about a lawsuit on stake.com. Nothing about a player suing stake.com for not paying winnings.

The most popular lawsuit against Stake owner is a civil court action by their previous co-owner of Primedice for misleading to not invest on Stake but there is no popular or known active lawsuit against Stake so far that bing broadcast.

Probably he is pertaining to that lawsuit https://www.smh.com.au/business/entrepreneurship/desperate-attempt-stake-com-founders-hit-with-580-million-lawsuit-20220901-p5belg.html#:~:text=The%20Australian%20founders%20of%20the,of%20the%20hugely%20successful%20business. since this topic become popular discussion on gambling section when it was newly released by news outlet.

[qwertyup23]

So you are really offered money for opposing an online gambling network? Why are you people this cruel? How much is worth of you to destroy something that someone has worked so hard to accomplish?

If truly Fortune Jack is not a reliable online gambling website why are the complaints coming from new accounts only? I have to use Fortune Jack few times now and I don't have any problem, that's why I keep promoting, if something is off someone that's well ranked on this forum will have raised an alarm.

For the fact that some bad actors are paying people like OP to destroy the imagine of any online gambling platform is disgusting, change your ways people, karma is for real and it's a Bitch.

I doubt that Fortune Jack has an ongoing lawsuit given on how it is well-represented on this forum as one of the biggest crypto gambling casino currently. In addition, if it were indeed in a lawsuit, everyone would be in on it right now and we would expect a word from Hhampuz, which is the manager of its signature campaign.

There are people who are just hired in order to destroy the reputation of a gambling website. Though that may be the case, such allegation and accusation can never defeat hard facts that substantiate against their claim and allegation. As long as people know their facts and others provide info against otherwise, then such accusation made by these people would be meaningless.

[PaperWallet]

Stake got a lawsuit too before but they are still standing strong.

Got a lawsuit about what? About not paying winnings? Of course not. Stake is a respectable website.

Hi Dezoel,
Could you please elaborate more on this? I googled it and found nothing but about a lawsuit on stake.com. Nothing about a player suing stake.com for not paying winnings.

The most popular lawsuit against Stake owner is a civil court action by their previous co-owner of Primedice for misleading to not invest on Stake but there is no popular or known active lawsuit against Stake so far that bing broadcast.

Probably he is pertaining to that lawsuit https://www.smh.com.au/business/entrepreneurship/desperate-attempt-stake-com-founders-hit-with-580-million-lawsuit-20220901-p5belg.html#:~:text=The%20Australian%20founders%20of%20the,of%20the%20hugely%20successful%20business. since this topic become popular discussion on gambling section when it was newly released by news outlet.

Thank you. I’ve seen this, but somehow I missed to mention « from a partner » in my previous message (now edited). What I meant is that I couldn’t find anything about a certain player on Stake (and not a business partner), who is suing them for unpaid winnings.

if it were indeed in a lawsuit, everyone would be in on it right now and we would expect a word from Hhampuz, which is the manager of its signature campaign.

This thread has been here since the 22nd of April, any idea on why he didn’t address this until now? I already mentioned Sir @Hhampuz before but he never wanted to comment on this.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

if it were indeed in a lawsuit, everyone would be in on it right now and we would expect a word from Hhampuz, which is the manager of its signature campaign.

This thread has been here since the 22nd of April, any idea on why he didn’t address this until now? I already mentioned Sir @Hhampuz before but he never wanted to comment on this.

There is no way you expect Hhampuz to comment on a matter that is not verified to be true, you only came here to claim that FortuneJack has an ongoing lawsuit, but failed to provide any evidence.
And FortuneJack on the part have said nothing about your claim, or maybe Hhampuz have reached out to the FortuneJack team to ascertain if your claim is true, and the team ask him to say nothing..

It is up to you to either attach evidence that proves that what you claim is true, then and only then can users take you serious, and maybe Hhampuz will have no other choice but to say something.