TalkImg.com - Image hosting for BitcoinTalk

[Agbe]

This is good. I appreciate your effort in bringing such to the forum. But the part you said that once the image is uploaded, you can not delete it again. I don't think that part is nice because there are sometimes that one would make a mistake of uploading a wrong image and would like to delete it. So let it be that the image can be deleted within some seconds. Personally in must time I used imgur and the process is some how long. There are some time that the network of imgur would not even allowed you to upload image. Thanks you very for the site.

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[joker_josue]

But the part you said that once the image is uploaded, you can not delete it again. I don't think that part is nice because there are sometimes that one would make a mistake of uploading a wrong image and would like to delete it. So let it be that the image can be deleted within some seconds.

After uploading an image, on the page with the embed links, there is a link to delete the image. If you use this link the image is deleted. If you don't save that link, you can't delete the image.

The idea is to prevent an image loaded and posted from the site from disappearing over time. Once posted, it is visible to everyone.




Some have been asking me, how will it be in the long run.

Well, initially I was a bit reluctant to share. But, as he said, he has been working with image galleries for almost 20 years.
And one of the projects I'm most proud to have done, despite being discontinued, is still online 10 years after it was discontinued.

Between 2005-2010 it was the biggest online art gallery in Portugal.
To date, I have not been able to shut down the site. So it's online: https://jokerartgallery.com/

So friends, when I say that I want to keep this project alive as long as possible, I will! Than depending on me, of course!

Thank you for your support!

[dkbit98]

This is a good suggestion. For the sustainability of TalkImg's image hosting, there must be a donation button so that those who want to donate and support the website to continue to exist can donate directly via Bitcoin or other coins. Image hosting requires storage that has to be upgraded when the capacity is full and this will continue, as well as maintenance costs and some other support.

For start adding bitcoin address at the page bottom for donation is also fine, but additional donation buttons are welcome addition and they can include more fiat donations, paypal, etc.

That's not good: This domain is owned by Alibaba Cloud. If they decide to change the URL (be it soon or 10 years from now), all embedded images are gone. It also means you have a vendor lock-in: you can't move to a different webhost anymore without losing those images. I'd say change this while it's still early.

I don't like this, but I think many alternatives people are using today for uploading images are doing something similar.
We can't expect joker_josue to use his own hosting and hard drive space for this, but have you tested how imgur, imgbb and others are handling this?

If images are created after embedding them on the forum, it will still create broken image links. The user could just edit their post so the image isn't shown anymore. It's better to have a delete-button that only works for a short time.

All posts and images is archived so changing links is not doing much, but I wanted to delete image from server itself and stop wasting space for hosting useless stuff.
I know saw some image hosting have temporary image upload that gets auto-deleted after set amount of time.
This is not best use case for forum but it can be useful for something else.

I hope to draw on donations and perhaps accept an advertising banner similar to subscription campaigns if any campaign managers are interested. I just haven't mentioned it yet because I thought it was too early to talk about it.

It's always better to do it now than later
Adding donation address on website costs nothing.

[Little Mouse]

I hope to draw on donations and perhaps accept an advertising banner similar to subscription campaigns if any campaign managers are interested. I just haven't mentioned it yet because I thought it was too early to talk about it.

Can you please share the stats? Well, instead of sharing the visitor stats here, you can create a menu with "Advertise" and share all the necessary information with the outsider in that menu so anyone interested can analyze the data.
Do you have any plan to reach most bitcointalk users so your visitors can grow faster? I know the project is a non profit one so far but trying a ninja style marketing would attract a lot of users to use the site. Or maybe approaching theymos to put the site on the forum ad slots, that would be great for you.

[LoyceV]

That's not good: This domain is owned by Alibaba Cloud. If they decide to change the URL (be it soon or 10 years from now), all embedded images are gone. It also means you have a vendor lock-in: you can't move to a different webhost anymore without losing those images. I'd say change this while it's still early.

I don't like this, but I think many alternatives people are using today for uploading images are doing something similar.

Most image sharing sites don't really care about long-term availability of user-images.

We can't expect joker_josue to use his own hosting and hard drive space for this

It's not as if cloud hosting is free.

but have you tested how imgur, imgbb and others are handling this?

From what I've seen, they host the images on their own domain, or a subdomain of their domain. That gives them the possibility to move to a different webhost without breaking external links.

[joker_josue]

That's not good: This domain is owned by Alibaba Cloud. If they decide to change the URL (be it soon or 10 years from now), all embedded images are gone. It also means you have a vendor lock-in: you can't move to a different webhost anymore without losing those images. I'd say change this while it's still early.

I don't like this, but I think many alternatives people are using today for uploading images are doing something similar.
We can't expect joker_josue to use his own hosting and hard drive space for this, but have you tested how imgur, imgbb and others are handling this?

I've already adjusted that aspect, and everything is saved on my server! And I will make every effort to ensure that it stays that way for many years to come. 

I hope to draw on donations and perhaps accept an advertising banner similar to subscription campaigns if any campaign managers are interested. I just haven't mentioned it yet because I thought it was too early to talk about it.

It's always better to do it now than later
Adding donation address on website costs nothing.

Well, if you think it's better to put the donation option now, I'll add it soon.
Once again thank you for your support!

Can you please share the stats? Well, instead of sharing the visitor stats here, you can create a menu with "Advertise" and share all the necessary information with the outsider in that menu so anyone interested can analyze the data.
Do you have any plan to reach most bitcointalk users so your visitors can grow faster? I know the project is a non profit one so far but trying a ninja style marketing would attract a lot of users to use the site. Or maybe approaching theymos to put the site on the forum ad slots, that would be great for you.

It's still too early to have statistics, the site has only been online for a few days. But I'm planning to share the stats throughout the project.
I have no plans to attract more users quickly. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd appreciate it.
I have to work up the courage to send a PM to @theymos. 

[bitmover]

Great work joker_josue

Stating a new project is really exciting.  There are many challenges here, such as the ones mentioned by LoyceV about hosting cloud costs and so on.

But certainly that is an important project here and your website can really get lots of visitors and be very useful.

[taufik123]

That's not good: This domain is owned by Alibaba Cloud. If they decide to change the URL (be it soon or 10 years from now), all embedded images are gone. It also means you have a vendor lock-in: you can't move to a different webhost anymore without losing those images. I'd say change this while it's still early.

I don't like this, but I think many alternatives people are using today for uploading images are doing something similar.
We can't expect joker_josue to use his own hosting and hard drive space for this, but have you tested how imgur, imgbb and others are handling this?

I've already adjusted that aspect, and everything is saved on my server! And I will make every effort to ensure that it stays that way for many years to come. 

This is what we need in this forum. consistency to maintain and ensure the service survives for the next few years.
so that the history of uplaod images is not lost.

Like what happened in satoshi's 2010 "new icon/logo" thread with images that were lost because they were no longer available on bitcoin.org hosting.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64.msg7415#msg7415



Image storage may not be too brutal because Talkimg is still used by bitcointalk forum users only.
But if it's used by a lot of people like imgg of course it will require bigger hosting.

But so far it's quite satisfying, I switched to Talkimg because of the faster process and haven't experienced any problems.

[bettercrypto]

Are you the one who created this hosting service for uploaded images on this forum platform? In fairness it's nice that you gave it away.



      At least this time there are two options that can be used in this kind of photo uploading, if before it was just imgbb,
I will definitely use https://www.talkimg.com/, it will help a lot of people. here. Congratulations to you.

[joker_josue]

It's always better to do it now than later
Adding donation address on website costs nothing.

I inform you that I have already added the donation address, footer of the site and in the OP. 
In the third post of this topic, I signed a message indicating the donation address.

[LoyceV]

I have to work up the courage to send a PM to @theymos. 

Theymos isn't scary

Image storage may not be too brutal because Talkimg is still used by bitcointalk forum users only.
But if it's used by a lot of people like imgg of course it will require bigger hosting.

I checked my own images: In the past 4 years, I've uploaded 369 images (31 MB) (I'm not counting non-image data). If you multiply that by 1000, it still fits a fairly small VPS.

[joker_josue]

I have to work up the courage to send a PM to @theymos. 

Theymos isn't scary

I know not. I have to elaborate well the message I want to send. This week I deal with it.


In the few days with the project running, what I already realized is that the server bandwidth has to be considerable because the images have a lot of requests.
But, I already have everything organized, so that none of this affects the taskimg service.

[LoyceV]

In the few days with the project running, what I already realized is that the server bandwidth has to be considerable because the images have a lot of requests.

Does the forum's image proxy not cache them? How much bandwidth are we talking about? From what I've seen, bandwidth is expensive at cloud providers, but can be much cheaper in monthly plans elsewhere. But you probably know that already

[Synchronice]

I don't want to be that guy but I'm a little bit skeptical here. There is a chance that this service won't become popular and you'll just waste money for nothing because for example, if 10 image is uploaded a day and you have a total of 3650 image in your database, if you just shut down this service, 3650 image will disappear from this forum, which, can be a problem for users. And if you don't shut down, it can become a little bit boring to take care of such service and pay some money out of pocket.

If it becomes popular service and people upload hundreds of image daily, then you will have to seriously take care of this service, add more space, create full daily backups with incremental backups multiple times a day and even you need a cluster network of databases to lower the probability of data loss. Also, you'll have to optimize uploaded images without losing quality (slight quality loss is okay), so, the best way to do that is to implement something similar to TinyJPG and compress all the uploaded images automatically, this will reduce the server load, the data and things will be better for us too.

Also, don't forget that you may get DMCA complains and you will have to take care of that. I don't really know how it works or if you ever get complains but still i would say that server located in DMCA free area can be a better idea.

Does it worth to take extra expenses and extra responsibility on yourself? I wouldn't rely on public donations.

[LoyceV]

I don't want to be that guy but I'm a little bit skeptical here.

I'm not Joker_josue seems to have experience hosting images.

If it becomes popular service and people upload hundreds of image daily, then you will have to seriously take care of this service, add more space, create full daily backups with incremental backups multiple times a day and even you need a cluster network of databases to lower the probability of data loss.

All this can be worked out once it happens. I know a thing or two about storing data, and while I started it for data dumps that were too large to fit in one post, I now have several TB of data. What can I say: things get out of hand!
But, while that happened, people also appreciated what I do, which lead to sponsored hosting.

Also, you'll have to optimize uploaded images without losing quality (slight quality loss is okay), so, the best way to do that is to implement something similar to TinyJPG and compress all the uploaded images automatically, this will reduce the server load, the data and things will be better for us too.

As a user, I don't like it when a host messes with my images (although wiping exif is a good thing). It's not up to the host to decide what quality losses are acceptable.

Also, don't forget that you may get DMCA complains and you will have to take care of that. I don't really know how it works or if you ever get complains but still i would say that server located in DMCA free area can be a better idea.

That's the part I would worry about much more than the technical aspects.

Does it worth to take extra expenses and extra responsibility on yourself?

I assume it's a hobby. Or maybe he just wanted to the the top-merited user this month I'm kidding of course.

[ZAINmalik75]

interesting to see this thread. This is What Bitcointalk community was looking for this image hosting service for many years. Although Imgbb is available but this one is really amazing with fast uploading speed and many other options. I bookmarked this site for fast access to upload image. This thread will be shortly translated in our our local thread (Pakistan) also.

No registration of user information is performed (only the IP is saved for spam control)

How the spam control will work? in my country All telecommunications connected network has same IP address. If this website become popular and more than 1k users from our country upload with same IP, will it be catched spam?

[Flexystar]

Congratulations on developing the new service. By the way very refreshing and eye-catchy theme, and color combination.
It seems I do have a similar question as others are having and it would be better if the answer comes from the OP himself. How far are you gonna go with this service and are you willing to increase the hosting power anytime soon?

I tried using it, but the upload is pretty slow and this is gonna lag even further as it becomes a more powerful tool in the future. If it gets crowded then definitely it is going to lag the uploads.

If this service is going to be available for others then I might just publish it amongst my moderation team on the micro-tasking site. They would be happy to see this as users need to upload screenshots all the time. Could use this one effectively. Good luck mate.

[taufik123]

I checked my own images: In the past 4 years, I've uploaded 369 images (31 MB) (I'm not counting non-image data). If you multiply that by 1000, it still fits a fairly small VPS.

yes hopefully the server used by OP is still enough to accommodate all images for forum users only in the next few years.

But if the website becomes widely known by people outside the forum and more and more users, it is not impossible that a larger capacity will be needed someday and some backups also become quite important when there are some errors that might occur.

The more users who access the server, the heavier the server load will be.

Now joker_josue has also added a donation button, and this will certainly help with the hosting and maintenance costs.
Hopefully, many members will start donating.

Also, you'll have to optimize uploaded images without losing quality (slight quality loss is okay), so, the best way to do that is to implement something similar to TinyJPG and compress all the uploaded images automatically, this will reduce the server load, the data and things will be better for us too.

As a user, I don't like it when a host messes with my images (although wiping exif is a good thing). It's not up to the host to decide what quality losses are acceptable.

Can this option be an option to compress or not?
EXIF is indeed a digital footprint that will lead to the user's location and other information (related to privacy issues).
Compressing can also be done automatically and the image quality remains the same and the file size is reduced.

[joker_josue]

I don't want to be that guy but I'm a little bit skeptical here. There is a chance that this service won't become popular and you'll just waste money for nothing because for example, if 10 image is uploaded a day and you have a total of 3650 image in your database, if you just shut down this service, 3650 image will disappear from this forum, which, can be a problem for users. And if you don't shut down, it can become a little bit boring to take care of such service and pay some money out of pocket.

I clearly understand your point of view. By the way, that was the main question that was asked in this topic. If you notice my answers are: than depending on me this project is to last a long, long time.

Note my story of an online gallery, which I have maintained online for over 10 years. Having an online gallery doesn't scare me and I am aware of the resources needed to keep one up and running.

Sometimes numbers are spoken of in a frightening way. But sometimes it's not like that. My service only accepts images up to 2.5 MB, this makes everything more controlled. Imagine that all forum users (3536195 members), upload a 1MB image, I would need 4GB of disk space. I do technical management of a website that has just over 66k images and occupies 30GB of disk space. By the way, you can visit here: https://allaircraft.net/

Believe me, I would be very happy to have 3000000 images on the site.
But realistically, you would think that all forum users will post 1 MB image, most will upload images under 1 MB. Do you know what is the current average of the images that have already been uploaded? Less than 200KB. Sometimes when talking about an image, you think that everything will take up a lot of space, but remember, I limit everything to 2.5MB.

The biggest problem will be bandwidth, but that's only with time that I'll be able to evaluate the best solutions to apply. At the moment, I have a lot of available bandwidth (20GB/month), which I have the possibility to increase with some ease without major cost changes.

With that, I just want to demonstrate that I'm familiar with this type of site, and I intend to keep the service indefinitely.

Also, don't forget that you may get DMCA complains and you will have to take care of that. I don't really know how it works or if you ever get complains but still i would say that server located in DMCA free area can be a better idea.

I made it clear in the terms of service that all images that violate copyright may be deleted. That is, at the first credible notification, the image is deleted. I'm not going to discuss this kind of thing, because all platforms in the genre do the same thing: they delete everything that violates copyright when they are notified.

I assume it's a hobby. Or maybe he just wanted to the the top-merited user this month I'm kidding of course.

Yes it's a hobby... My first website www.jokerartgallery.com came from a school work and is online until today, despite the project having ended. Almost 90% of what I know about websites is thanks to this hobby. Therefore, I believe that any donations and one or two advertisements are enough to continue to feed this hobby. 
Regarding the merits, you discovered...  I'm kidding of course. Or not...

How the spam control will work? in my country All telecommunications connected network has same IP address. If this website become popular and more than 1k users from our country upload with same IP, will it be catched spam?

Thank you for sharing this, and I will keep an eye out for these types of cases.
Either way, the use of IP will be the most extreme measure I can apply. It would be necessary to enter many (really many) spam images, or outside the rules, for me to analyze this type of blocking. I will always prefer individual moderation for each image.

I tried using it, but the upload is pretty slow and this is gonna lag even further as it becomes a more powerful tool in the future. If it gets crowded then definitely it is going to lag the uploads.

Did you feel slowness on the website? By the way, what was the image you uploaded?

So far, all the records I have have been good response times. Of course, there may be times when it slows down, but there are several factors for this. From your internet connection, or your internet provider, browser or others. Perhaps at peak usage, it can also happen. But I doubt that happened today, as only 12 uploads were made (until this post).

If this service is going to be available for others then I might just publish it amongst my moderation team on the micro-tasking site. They would be happy to see this as users need to upload screenshots all the time. Could use this one effectively. Good luck mate.

As I indicated in the OP, I can authorize the use of the images elsewhere. But in that case I suggest you send a PM so we can talk about it.

But if the website becomes widely known by people outside the forum and more and more users, it is not impossible that a larger capacity will be needed someday and some backups also become quite important when there are some errors that might occur.

The site is configured to only work in this forum. So no matter how popular it is, no one will be able to use the images outside the forum.

Can this option be an option to compress or not?
EXIF is indeed a digital footprint that will lead to the user's location and other information (related to privacy issues).
Compressing can also be done automatically and the image quality remains the same and the file size is reduced.

I have no intentions of creating any image compression system. I don't like loss of quality, and it annoys me to see images that are blurry, disproportionate, full of pixels and the like. I only delete the EXIF data to ensure greater privacy for users.

Furthermore, the limitation of just 2.5MB is more than enough to ensure that the images are of good quality, without being overly large.




Once again thank you for everyone's support! I hope this platform is useful for you.

[dansus021]

Hi joker_josue just saw your site and try to upload some images there  , the User Interface is the same as Imgbb which I am familiar with, and I use it as the main image hosting so this is great, and the other is image fixed height is their good job, can I translate this thread into the Indonesian language

Here the link : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5451044.0

and I just saw Sign In but doesn't have Signup Im I missing something or do you provide image hosting without a user