UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season

[mamesso]

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When everything is decided in one match, then perhaps you are right when you say that the teams have equal chances. If they were able to reach the finals, then they are strong enough to do it. The recent match when City failed to achieve victory in the final is an example of how a clear favorite can lose, a few good attacks, some kind of mistake, a good defensive game, and the outcome becomes completely unexpected.

The defeats of Manchester City in the FA Cup and Leverkusen in the Europa League are proof that strong teams cannot necessarily win the title, the same story might happen to Real Madrid if Dortmund plays like Manchester United and Atalanta, which tightly closes all the space owned by opposing players. Dortmund has the quality to make it difficult for Real Madrid in this final, they managed to get rid of PSG by taking advantage of every opportunity they had, their defense was also very tight which made it difficult for PSG players to score goals.
Defensive play and occasional counter attacks are quite effective in making it difficult for opposing players, Ancelotti must have a backup strategy to overcome the defensive game that Edin Terzic might implement.

[Adams0001]

So, you're saying both teams have a 50/50 chance of winning the match. That's not wrong because until one scores, it's not obvious that Madrid will win. Dortmund isn't at Madrid's level, but Madrid should never underestimate them. However, we know that Madrid never disappoints, especially in finals. Atalanta surprised many people last week, but I don't see the same happening here at Champions League. Will Dortmund end the monopoly? I dare to say yes because experience matters most at this high stage, and Madrid has that all the way.

I also agree that both teams are equally likely to win, but we can't say for sure that Real Madrid will win. But we all have a wish and a feeling that since Real Madrid are more experienced in the Champions League, they have a little more chance of winning. Real Madrid should never underestimate Dortmund, as we have seen so many big teams lose to smaller normal this season. Of course Real Madrid never attack out of desperation, but they have enough strong and accurate attacks to play against every team, in that case in the Champions League they will definitely play with better focus especially the final match as they will be tougher. But we've seen a lot of surprises this season in the Europa League and the FA Cup, so we can't be sure yet. So even if Real Madrid has a good chance of winning the Champions League this season, Dortmund will not give up so easily, but they will also work hard and strong against Madrid in the final match.

Everyone knows how well Real Madrid is doing in the Champions League, and the worst part is that they are in the final, and I am sure they will not play with Dortmund because they are better than them, and the players in Real Madrid have more experience than dortmund players. The only player I respect in the club is Reus because he is very talented. but i just believe nothing dortmund will do to real madrid in the final, it won't be so easy for dortmund to overcome real madrid in the final, because with the delight that real madrid have when they remove manchester city it is only man-city will stop madrid from winning the trophy but now that they eliminate them, dortmund will just give them tough time because anyone that come to final wont't try to lose and ancelotti will used is talent and defeat dortmund. all the players are ready for the final because since they finish the league they are just be training and am sure all the players are in fitness to play the final weekend.

[QueenVera]

The betting exchange of course provides an assessment and odds of a team based on the team performance this season, but in this case, of course, the gambling exchange does not think about all the possibilities that will indeed occur in the match, isn't it that Leverkusen was also used as a favorite team by the gambling exchange to win the European final, but in fact we see surprises that may not be predicted by the gambling exchange at all before,  I think Madrid chances of winning are of course very big but we also cannot conclude if Dortmund have no chance of winning at all in that game, football is a sport that is difficult to predict the final result and all possibilities can of course happen unexpectedly.

This season both teams have different performances in their respective leagues, but in the Champions League of course they have a fairly stable performance although indeed the quality of the two teams has significant differences, but as we know so far if strategy, performance and also mentality also have a big influence to be able to win a game and I think Dortmund also of course have that,  So indeed the final match that will be the favorite is Madrid but it does not rule out the possibility if Dortmund will win.

I think bookmakers giving less odd to Real Madrid is sure because they have considered some certain criterias such as squad depth, experience and the rest and used to access and dish out their odds. Though football now can be unpredictable but you’re to understand that gambling is a game and for it to be interesting, some odds needs to be lesser and some real great. ⁠Of course the odds from the bookmakers are from certain criterias like I mentioned above and that is really understandable.

 Now for those that will want to llay the gamble on the game, they ought to understand that most times those criterias aren’t what plays out in the match as we can see the underdog getting the victory. Yes Real Madrid are meeting all criterias but it is wrong to overlook Dortmund’s chance of reaching this stage as they can be one very troublesome team like how they have been that got them to this stage of the competition. Well one big difference is in the squad depth and the strength of the squad, also the tactical approach to games is quite different from both teams.
 
 ⁠I can’t wait for the final as it will be a match of great show of skills and strength and yes Real Madrid are better favorites for this competition. Ancelotti should be careful how he approaches the game so as not to make any wrong choice of player selection as that could mar his chances.

[junder]

So, you're saying both teams have a 50/50 chance of winning the match. That's not wrong because until one scores, it's not obvious that Madrid will win. Dortmund isn't at Madrid's level, but Madrid should never underestimate them. However, we know that Madrid never disappoints, especially in finals. Atalanta surprised many people last week, but I don't see the same happening here at Champions League. Will Dortmund end the monopoly? I dare to say yes because experience matters most at this high stage, and Madrid has that all the way.

Real Madrid is of course the favorite team and that is not only this season, but in the past few seasons, Real Madrid has become the favorite team. Of course, Real Madrid can be said to have an advantage over Dortmund, but at the moment perhaps no one can predict with certainty because of course Dortmund, which is at a different level from Real Madrid, definitely has the ambition to beat Real Madrid. with their achievements to date, it proves that they are strong enough and worthy of facing Real Madrid.

I think there will definitely be more people who side with Real Madrid because Real Madrid rarely disappoints or never, but even Real Madrid can't think that Dortmund, who can be in an important match later, will have hopes of them. There is no doubt that this match will indeed be a hot match for football fans. I myself don't doubt Real Madrid's performance, it's just that they have to be careful because maybe Dortmund will give them a surprise in the match later.

[Oluwa-btc]

Not good news comes from Real Madrid because its defensive midfielder, Tchouameni, is reported to be absent from the Champions League final. This has been confirmed by Carlo Ancelotti and he has certainly thought about ways to make his midfield safe from attacks by Dortmund players later.

If we talk about a suitable replacement, of course there is Camavinga who is ready to fill Tchouameni's position and this should not be a problem for Real Madrid. We know they have good squad depth so player rotation is not an obstacle for them. But what is clear is that Real Madrid will go all out and they have to win this Champions League for the 15th time.

Do you think Tchouameni's absence will create a hole in Real Madrid's midfield defense?

Source: https://www.eurosport.com/football/champions-league/2023-2024/real-madrids-aurelien-tchouameni-ruled-out-of-uefa-champions-league-final-through-injury_sto20006797/story.shtml

This is a good chance for Camavinga to step in that defensive midfielder role then, the midfielder's should be a trio of Camavinga, Toni Kroos and Valverde. But could this be mind games? So they Borrussia Dortmund wouldn't plan for such a player? Well, we Gon definitely see how the game finally plays out.
The midfielder's on the bench also would be Luka Modric, and Dani Cebllos who should be also leaving the club I don't think they have plans for him.

Real Madrid will have to advance and attack with caution so they don't fall same way other clubs did. Borrussia Dortmund also had a tough route to the Champions League Competition finals. Real Madrid underestimating them would be a dump way to approach this game even if they have all the experience in the Champions League.

He'll be missed, he's an important player, but his absence is a good opportunity for who's present to step up his bar and show working. I can't say that, Borrussia Dortmund will be effective both in midfied and wings. I've gotten to see them highlights.

[3meek]

So, you're saying both teams have a 50/50 chance of winning the match. That's not wrong because until one scores, it's not obvious that Madrid will win. Dortmund isn't at Madrid's level, but Madrid should never underestimate them. However, we know that Madrid never disappoints, especially in finals. Atalanta surprised many people last week, but I don't see the same happening here at Champions League. Will Dortmund end the monopoly? I dare to say yes because experience matters most at this high stage, and Madrid has that all the way.

Real Madrid is of course the favorite team and that is not only this season, but in the past few seasons, Real Madrid has become the favorite team. Of course, Real Madrid can be said to have an advantage over Dortmund, but at the moment perhaps no one can predict with certainty because of course Dortmund, which is at a different level from Real Madrid, definitely has the ambition to beat Real Madrid. with their achievements to date, it proves that they are strong enough and worthy of facing Real Madrid.

I think there will definitely be more people who side with Real Madrid because Real Madrid rarely disappoints or never, but even Real Madrid can't think that Dortmund, who can be in an important match later, will have hopes of them. There is no doubt that this match will indeed be a hot match for football fans. I myself don't doubt Real Madrid's performance, it's just that they have to be careful because maybe Dortmund will give them a surprise in the match later.

Madrid have more experience in the Champions League... I think they have had more difficult opponents than Dortmund... Man City and Bayern are not PSG and Atletico... Of course the final match is hard to predict, especially after Atalanta beat Leverkusen in the Europa League final... But it seems to me that Madrid should win... Dortmund have been excellent this season and it would be amazing to see them as champions, but I think it's unrealistic for them...

[Popkon6]

Dortmund is highly motivated and for this reason it will be difficult for Real Madrid to impose themselves immediately but that's what they will do by trying to score as many goals as possible considering the fact that Ancelotti will focus everything on the attack and will deploy the best midfield of the last 10 years in the history of the cup with Tony Kross in his prime in his last match where he will want to bring home the cup but watch out for Marco Reus also in his last match, it will be a good match there is no doubt about this it is normal that the odds are all in favor of the real

The reality of the performance of the two teams that entered the Champions League final is indeed very different, but when we refer to the final match. Of course, there are many other possibilities that could happen because both teams will give the best to each of their players, which their respective coaches may never have implemented in domestic matches. So I also think that their match will be quite fierce because each line from both teams is not bad now, although we will all see who is the best in the final match later.

So, you're saying both teams have a 50/50 chance of winning the match. That's not wrong because until one scores, it's not obvious that Madrid will win. Dortmund isn't at Madrid's level, but Madrid should never underestimate them. However, we know that Madrid never disappoints, especially in finals. Atalanta surprised many people last week, but I don't see the same happening here at Champions League. Will Dortmund end the monopoly? I dare to say yes because experience matters most at this high stage, and Madrid has that all the way.

I also agree that both teams are equally likely to win, but we can't say for sure that Real Madrid will win. But we all have a wish and a feeling that since Real Madrid are more experienced in the Champions League, they have a little more chance of winning. Real Madrid should never underestimate Dortmund, as we have seen so many big teams lose to smaller normal this season. Of course Real Madrid never attack out of desperation, but they have enough strong and accurate attacks to play against every team, in that case in the Champions League they will definitely play with better focus especially the final match as they will be tougher. But we've seen a lot of surprises this season in the Europa League and the FA Cup, so we can't be sure yet. So even if Real Madrid has a good chance of winning the Champions League this season, Dortmund will not give up so easily, but they will also work hard and strong against Madrid in the final match.

Both the teams will try hard to win the title, in this case Real Madrid is slightly ahead because of the full experience of the players. Finally Real Madrid team is strong both in attacking department and defender and goalkeeper, in this case Burussia Dortmund is very strong so both teams are very strong this season. 
In particular, Real Madrid team will work harder to win this title, in the few times that Real Madrid and Burussia Dortmund have faced each other, Real Madrid team has won most of the matches and the margin of victory was the biggest. But I bet for Real Madrid team, Real Madrid team is much more aggressive and can be aggressive anytime to win the title.

[Palakka]

Madrid have more experience in the Champions League... I think they have had more difficult opponents than Dortmund... Man City and Bayern are not PSG and Atletico... Of course the final match is hard to predict, especially after Atalanta beat Leverkusen in the Europa League final... But it seems to me that Madrid should win... Dortmund have been excellent this season and it would be amazing to see them as champions, but I think it's unrealistic for them...

Madrid and Dortmund managed to reach the final round this season with difficulty, their journey to reach the final round is of course very difficult because they have to face a big and strong team, currently Madrid is certainly a strong favorite to be able to add to their collection of Champions League trophies, but Dortmund who this season failed miserably in the Bundesliga certainly also do not want to waste the opportunity that exists to win the only trophy left for them,  Both teams, I think at the moment, have different chances to win and of course for sure you know what I mean.

Madrid as favourites of course they have a great mentality and experience in winning the Champions League, but we can say if still Madrid have a big burden in the final to be able to maintain their record as the ruling team in Europe, while Dortmund who come as underdogs will of course be able to play loose and I think with the motivation to win the Champions League trophy this season of course the Dortmund players will play with high spirits although they are  the underdog in the match.

[OcTradism]

Not good news comes from Real Madrid because its defensive midfielder, Tchouameni, is reported to be absent from the Champions League final. This has been confirmed by Carlo Ancelotti and he has certainly thought about ways to make his midfield safe from attacks by Dortmund players later.

Tchouameni rose very quickly and took a main position as defensive midfielder in Real Madrid but there are other midfielders can replace Tchouameni. Camavinga is my favorite replacement for Tchouameni and with Camavinga, Real Madrid will have a defensive midfielder with great vision and can make many good key passes for attacking players.

This is a good chance for Camavinga to step in that defensive midfielder role then, the midfielder's should be a trio of Camavinga, Toni Kroos and Valverde. But could this be mind games?

Camavinga can play defensively very well but he is more creative and can support attacking system of Real Madrid better than Tchouameni. His appearance in the final can bring more risk on Dortmund's defense system and I don't see the absence of Tchouameni is a big loss for Real Madrid. They will have a good replacement player with potential to attack better than Tchouameni.

Do we think Dortmund will play defensive in the final?
If Dortmund actually play like this, Camavinga can help Real Madrid to break Dortmund's defense system.

[AprilioMP]

Madrid have more experience in the Champions League... I think they have had more difficult opponents than Dortmund... Man City and Bayern are not PSG and Atletico... Of course the final match is hard to predict, especially after Atalanta beat Leverkusen in the Europa League final... But it seems to me that Madrid should win... Dortmund have been excellent this season and it would be amazing to see them as champions, but I think it's unrealistic for them...

The point I can catch is that Real Madrid is more trusted as the final winner against Dortmund. You are trying to describe the situation of a final by comparing the Atalanta and Bayer Leverkusen matches in European League.
Right if the final match will feel different even though Real Madrid is known to be tough when playing in the final round. I think the chance to win is still 50:50 between Dortmund and Real Madrid.

Dortmund is very strong in terms of defense. Real Madrid is great in attacks with the number of goals made in UCL. That is, the two teams have advantages and disadvantages of each. For me, for now I don't have to win Real Madrid or Dortmund, but how strong is our analysis to win the bet we will make.

[knowngunman]

When everything is decided in one match, then perhaps you are right when you say that the teams have equal chances. If they were able to reach the finals, then they are strong enough to do it. The recent match when City failed to achieve victory in the final is an example of how a clear favorite can lose, a few good attacks, some kind of mistake, a good defensive game, and the outcome becomes completely unexpected.

As funny as this sound, it is a fact as football is concern but let be realistic with ourselves in this case. Manchester united and Manchester city game is completely different from this upcoming champions league final. If not that Manchester united is suffering from setback for some seasons now, they should be on the same level with Manchester city but in the case of Madrid and Dortmund, they are not comparable in every aspect that one can use judge or rate a team. It's possible for us to witness such surprise but saying they have equal chance of winning is a big joke.

Couches do make mistakes and it's one of the reason that led to the downfall of Manchester city. The couch made so silly mistakes in his team selection and such mistakes is one of the factors that contribute to such surprises happening in big games like this upcoming final but I believe Ancelotti will be very careful and study every bit before making any decisions. Perhaps, he has learnt some lessons from that city defeat and would make sure such thing will not happen to them.

[Hanadawa]

People continue to speculate if the outcome would be similar to Atalanta vs Leverkusen but i strongly disagree with them. It surprised me because no one was expecting the king of UCL to win another UCL trophy this season, the history has proven how strong madrid in UCL. The crown will be owned by Real Madrid once again. It's best for Dortmund to give up. LMAO

I think this is what differentiates Real Madrid and Leverkusen. Real Madrid are the kings of the UCL and they have a perfect record in finals since changing format to UCL. Meanwhile, Leverkusen, although they have the longest unbeaten record, are not the kings of UEL. Statistics also show that Atalanta is at the same level as Leverkusen. They are not much different. On the other hand, Real Madrid really has a winning mentality. I think it is almost impossible for Dortmund to beat Real Madrid. The best possibility is a draw. I predict the match will be a Madrid win or a draw. Madrid still has the possibility of a draw but I remain confident they will be able to win the penalty shootout.

[Lidger]

In the final match, anything is still possible to happen and we have just seen the Europa League final match which was full of surprises when Leverkusen, who were the favorites, actually lost with a landslide score, as did Dortmund and Real Madrid in the final match this weekend. allows it to happen.
I think there are only a few people who favor Real Madrid too much and I think Real Madrid is a big team that is often in the final and they know what they have to do in the final.

Real Madrid will actually be more dangerous when they reach the final so I wouldn't think that Real Madrid would suffer the same fate as Bayer Leverkusen in the Europa League. However, I am also looking forward to an interesting match that can be watched by many people at the end of this season because I am quite sure that the Champions League final is a match that is eagerly awaited by many people, including fans of the two teams. So I don't think that in that match there will be any surprises like what happened in the Europa League this season because I am more imagining how fierce the final match will be for Real Madrid and Dortmund.

Maybe I would also say the same thing as you if it was another team playing but different from the Real Madrid team because we know this team is iconic in the Champions League and it has been proven that as long as they compete in the Champions League the mentality of the Madrid team players will improve so of course it will worked hard in the Champions League Final match against the Dortmound team, I am sure that the Real Madrid team will not suffer the same fate as the Leverkusen team and it seems there is no need to compare the two teams because the Leverkusen team is not as strong as the Real Madrid team when competing in the Europa League.

We saw Leverkusen's poor finish in the Europa League final but of course they have themselves to blame for this poor finish. As an opponent, atalanta was not a tough opponent for Leverkusen but they took their final match as extra pressure which resulted in their defeat in the final match. A Real Madrid team like Leverkusen will definitely not play in the final with so much pressure because they have enough experience of playing in finals on such a big stage and they have won the most-number of UCL trophies so the chances of Real Madrid losing against Dortmund are very low. Since Dortmund have qualified for the Champions League final, Real Madrid will not consider this team an easy opponent. 

Before going to the field against another big team, they will go to the field with the same plan as usual in the final match and hope they will be successful there.

[kro55]

It's nothing surprising to see people are hoping Dortmund to beat Real Madrid because they're The Culers lol. Real footballers know that Real Madrid is the strongest team and Champions League is like their playground, while Dortmund is very rarely can enter to final Champions League, they're new in this league.

The European League where Atalanta pull an upset against Leverkusen because Leverkusen is new in Europa League, this is different with Real Madrid.

However, Dortmund should not be underestimated because in the final match anything is possible and every team that has managed to advance to the final is of course the best team and is ready to face this match.
Real Madrid does have a good mentality and they are also nicknamed the kings of the UCL, but I think their journey will not be easy to win their 15th UCL title.

We have seen many times in the past that underdog teams have surprised everyone by winning the Champions League.   No one can predict that Dortmund will qualify for the Champions League final this season.   Dortmund were never favorites for the Champions League. Even then, the team managed to qualify for the finals.

Real Madrid is an experienced team, and coach Ancelotti is also very experienced.   Ancelotti will certainly not underestimate the Dortmund team.   Ancelotti is well aware that Madrid have a high chance of defeat if they take Dortmund lightly.   So there is no doubt that Madrid will play to win. If Madrid can find the weaknesses in Dortmund's defense then I'd say Madrid will win this year's Champions League title as well.

[hahay]

People continue to speculate if the outcome would be similar to Atalanta vs Leverkusen but i strongly disagree with them. It surprised me because no one was expecting the king of UCL to win another UCL trophy this season, the history has proven how strong madrid in UCL. The crown will be owned by Real Madrid once again. It's best for Dortmund to give up. LMAO

I think this is what differentiates Real Madrid and Leverkusen. Real Madrid are the kings of the UCL and they have a perfect record in finals since changing format to UCL. Meanwhile, Leverkusen, although they have the longest unbeaten record, are not the kings of UEL. Statistics also show that Atalanta is at the same level as Leverkusen. They are not much different. On the other hand, Real Madrid really has a winning mentality. I think it is almost impossible for Dortmund to beat Real Madrid. The best possibility is a draw. I predict the match will be a Madrid win or a draw. Madrid still has the possibility of a draw but I remain confident they will be able to win the penalty shootout.

Obviously, although Bayer Leverkusen managed to go unbeaten in the domestic league which is very impressive but still,comparing the quality of Real Madrid and Bayer Leverkusen in the final match of the Europa League and the Champions League it clearly has a significant difference. Because after all,  Real Madrid are very used to playing in final matches that are full of pressure, while Bayer Leverkusen do not have great experience for final matches. With that factor, I think it's clear that Real Madrid are still the best, eventhough the Europa League final was a surprise as Atalanta won. But anyway, in the Champions League final I think Real Madrid will still have a goodchance to win, and there is certainly no doubt for Real Madrid to get the Champions League trophy this season.

[Zlantann]

I think this is what differentiates Real Madrid and Leverkusen. Real Madrid are the kings of the UCL and they have a perfect record in finals since changing format to UCL. Meanwhile, Leverkusen, although they have the longest unbeaten record, are not the kings of UEL. Statistics also show that Atalanta is at the same level as Leverkusen. They are not much different. On the other hand, Real Madrid really has a winning mentality. I think it is almost impossible for Dortmund to beat Real Madrid. The best possibility is a draw. I predict the match will be a Madrid win or a draw. Madrid still has the possibility of a draw but I remain confident they will be able to win the penalty shootout.

Although historical analysis could be a valid means of determining the outcome of a match I am comfortable when people use the word impossible in football or any other sports. Real Madrid might have all the experience and quality, but we cannot underrate Borussia Dortmund. The German side will be committing all they have to win the game. We have seen some unexpected results in football recently, so we might end up seeing Real defeated by Dortmund. A slight mistake from the coach or players can make Edin Terzić's side carry the day.

Dortmund is very strong in terms of defense. Real Madrid is great in attacks with the number of goals made in UCL. That is, the two teams have advantages and disadvantages of each. For me, for now, I don't have to win Real Madrid or Dortmund, but how strong is our analysis to win the bet we will make.

Dortmund will have to work hard to curtail the fierce attacking power of Madrid, and they will also have to use counterattacks to unsettle the Real defense. Madrid defenders have the culture of overlapping to support the attack, so viable counterattacks could help the German side score goals.

[AYOBA]

Madrid have more experience in the Champions League... I think they have had more difficult opponents than Dortmund... Man City and Bayern are not PSG and Atletico... Of course the final match is hard to predict, especially after Atalanta beat Leverkusen in the Europa League final... But it seems to me that Madrid should win... Dortmund have been excellent this season and it would be amazing to see them as champions, but I think it's unrealistic for them...

The point I can catch is that Real Madrid is more trusted as the final winner against Dortmund. You are trying to describe the situation of a final by comparing the Atalanta and Bayer Leverkusen matches in European League.
Right if the final match will feel different even though Real Madrid is known to be tough when playing in the final round. I think the chance to win is still 50:50 between Dortmund and Real Madrid.

Real Madrid have the high chance than Dortmund so am not expect the match to be that tough is only the Dortmund that will find the match difficult with the way I saw their perform in the previous matches that is why I cannot underrate them to be winner and everyone knows how the real Madrid becomes a favorite team this season in this champion league, which is why i have so much hope for real Madrid to be winner.

Dortmund is very strong in terms of defense. Real Madrid is great in attacks with the number of goals made in UCL. That is, the two teams have advantages and disadvantages of each. For me, for now I don't have to win Real Madrid or Dortmund, but how strong is our analysis to win the bet we will make.

When is comes to deffesen Dortmund always be active and maintain the their back even thought they didn't have any single they always like the any of their match they should defeated or lead to draw instead of the beat them. But with that I don't think they will have that chances to on the with real Madrid. Because real Madrid is good attack and they always maintaining their positions to against any of their opponents.

[3meek]

Madrid have more experience in the Champions League... I think they have had more difficult opponents than Dortmund... Man City and Bayern are not PSG and Atletico... Of course the final match is hard to predict, especially after Atalanta beat Leverkusen in the Europa League final... But it seems to me that Madrid should win... Dortmund have been excellent this season and it would be amazing to see them as champions, but I think it's unrealistic for them...

The point I can catch is that Real Madrid is more trusted as the final winner against Dortmund. You are trying to describe the situation of a final by comparing the Atalanta and Bayer Leverkusen matches in European League.
Right if the final match will feel different even though Real Madrid is known to be tough when playing in the final round. I think the chance to win is still 50:50 between Dortmund and Real Madrid.

Dortmund is very strong in terms of defense. Real Madrid is great in attacks with the number of goals made in UCL. That is, the two teams have advantages and disadvantages of each. For me, for now I don't have to win Real Madrid or Dortmund, but how strong is our analysis to win the bet we will make.

Speaking of the bet... I think that in this match there will be more than 9.5 corners and Madrid will win... If you bet now, the odds are around 3... I think I will take a risk and bet on these events... Probably a good bet that both teams will score... I don't remember Champions League finals when Real didn't win... Dortmund won in the last millennium...

[Ahli38]

We have seen many times in the past that underdog teams have surprised everyone by winning the Champions League.   No one can predict that Dortmund will qualify for the Champions League final this season.   Dortmund were never favorites for the Champions League. Even then, the team managed to qualify for the finals.

Real Madrid is an experienced team, and coach Ancelotti is also very experienced.   Ancelotti will certainly not underestimate the Dortmund team.   Ancelotti is well aware that Madrid have a high chance of defeat if they take Dortmund lightly.   So there is no doubt that Madrid will play to win. If Madrid can find the weaknesses in Dortmund's defense then I'd say Madrid will win this year's Champions League title as well.

It seems that no one expected from the start that Dortmund would make it to the Final stage in the Champions League this season. I didn't even expect at that time that Dortmund had continued to advance since the round of 16 and then I thought Dortmund would fail in the quarter-finals but they still succeeded and advanced to the semi-finals and the funny thing is I also thought Dortmund would fail in the semi-finals but well we can see the results now Dortmund actually managed to reach the final round. And yes, this was beyond my expectations and perhaps also beyond many people's expectations. And now I might also think Dortmund will not succeed in winning the trophy in the UCL. but no one really knows the results. And indeed no one should underestimate this team. Just because they are in the final is a big surprise this season.

Real Madrid almost always wins when they are in the Final. If I remember correctly, Real Madrid has reached the UCL final 17 times. And 14 wins and only 3 failures. Well, this is quite a big comparison between Real Madrid's loss and win ratio there.

[Jatiluhung]

Like Atalanta managed to beat Leverkusen and Man United managed to beat Man City. So there is a lot of speculation circulating that surprising results could also occur in the Champions League Final. And I might also think that this could happen. but I think the possibility is very small. 

Do you think the chance of Dortmund beating Madrid is the same as Atalanta beating Leverkusen? It would be cool if the underdog wins again, which means this year will be full of surprise winners (not talking about the league). I think it would be healthier for the overall competition if we could see other winners other than Madrid, but at the end of the day, those who score more goals will win the cup. I hope the winner plays good football instead of defending for 80 minutes and scoring one lucky goal. You can argue defending needs good strategy too, but for a competition like the Champions League, I'd love to see aggressive football instead of another "boring" one.

I also expect the same thing. Ancelotti in the quarter-finals and semi-finals actually made a strategy that made Real Madrid less aggressive in attacking. But I know Ancelotti in the final will not use the same strategy as he did in the quarter-finals and semi-finals. Because it would be more exciting if Real Madrid implemented their attacking strategy directly, which is always very aggressive and could immediately overwhelm Dortmund from the start. And Dortmund is also expected to implement the same attacking strategy. but I might now think that Dortmund will actually implement a less aggressive strategy and will only look for gaps to attack by counterattacking. Hopefully the UCL Final won't be a boring final that always lacks goals.