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August 26, 2023, 07:10:45 PM
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In the previous season, Barcelona failed in the group phase because they were unable to compete with Bayern Munich and Inter Milan. I don't think that's happening again with them this season. At least it can reach the semifinals or more.

don`t be too hard on Xavi, he went the extra mile. He was playing in a group full of big teams and couldn`t do better than he did. Xavi got many things wrong, I agree with you. It must be understood that it was also the first year.

I want to not be so hard on Xavi, and in fact i support him because in a very hard moment for Barcelona he show the face for everybody and take the management of the team, having said that i have to agree, this year in europe its KEY for him, another fiasco in europe and he can be ejected from his seat.
For the previous season, they had different performances between La Liga and European competition. They failed in the Champions League and they also failed in the Europa League. I still see it as a natural thing, because it won't be easy for Xavi to immediately compete in a bigger competition and have more pressure too. Winning La Liga in the previous season was also a great achievement that could be done, just imagine in his first season of work, at that time Barcelona was even thrown out of the top 4, but he could also succeed in bringing Barcelona to finish as runner up.
I wouldn't rush to judge them in the Champions League this season, as the domestic league only started a few weeks ago.

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August 26, 2023, 07:36:23 PM
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Real Madrid have begun to the season incredibly. They are unstoppable in the La Liga for now. However I still feel like there is something missing for the Champions League. The missing part can still be a better centre-forward. I think they might have more difficulties without a centre-forward like Benzema in the Champions League against top teams.

For now Ancelotti adopts a formation like 4-3-1-2. Rodrygo - Vinicius Junior duo on the front line and Bellingham right behind them. Bellingham is also not playing as an attacking midfielder normally but he is from now on.  Smiley  Things have been nice so far but the same system might not work smoothly to reach their goal here too.

But Real Madrid look determined about not bringing anyone to the place until signing Mbappe.

Yep, and it will happen. for La Liga, not many are their toughest competitors except for some of their rivals namely Barcelona and Atletico. for the Champions League, Madrid will meet strong teams as their competitors. that means, their consistency will be severely tested if they don't have a successor to replace Benzema as a centre-forward. as for Joselu, he tends to play as a supersub or substitute. my point is not about the system they apply with the 4-3-1-2 pattern, but the consistency of their players.

Imagine, Madrid was almost dominated by its young players. although Vini and Rodry have had a lot of experience, however Bellingham is a newcomer. although in truth, he was able to adapt and play very impressively in his domestic league. but back again as I said, in the Champions League there are some strong competitors and they even have a solid squad defense.
Ancelotti, must have other options and not put responsibility only on Bellingham. which is a problem in Madrid's matches in three domestic competitions, the forward striker they have doesn't create many chances or rely on being a goal machine. if Bellingham underperforms, Madrid will find it difficult to overthrow the other team. Nonetheless, I'm pretty sure it looks like Carlo Ancelotti has several options. however, he has not used it as another option. we'll see, because Madrid still has a very long way to go and so do the other teams.

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August 26, 2023, 07:40:28 PM
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don`t be too hard on Xavi, he went the extra mile. He was playing in a group full of big teams and couldn`t do better than he did. Xavi got many things wrong, I agree with you. It must be understood that it was also the first year.
Barcelona was in the group of hell last season where Bayern Munich, Inter Milan are the two teams that really have good preparedness from their squad. Barcelona, ​​which appeared with many young players, was still not good enough to face pressure, they even appeared with an incomplete squad due to several injuries. This season should be different as Barcelona seem ready to take on the Champions League challenge despite their failures last season.

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August 26, 2023, 09:31:36 PM
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don`t be too hard on Xavi, he went the extra mile. He was playing in a group full of big teams and couldn`t do better than he did. Xavi got many things wrong, I agree with you. It must be understood that it was also the first year.
Barcelona was in the group of hell last season where Bayern Munich, Inter Milan are the two teams that really have good preparedness from their squad. Barcelona, ​​which appeared with many young players, was still not good enough to face pressure, they even appeared with an incomplete squad due to several injuries. This season should be different as Barcelona seem ready to take on the Champions League challenge despite their failures last season.

You are saying this retrospectively, but who and what was Inter Milan when nobody predicted that they would end up playing a Champions League final? The group was quite obvious and then Inter Milan shocked everyone when they went further and further in the competition.

This year it will be harder because people adjusted their expectations, but I still think that they are one of the contenders because they know how to play these competitions.

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August 26, 2023, 09:42:08 PM
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Barcelona was in the group of hell last season where Bayern Munich, Inter Milan are the two teams that really have good preparedness from their squad. Barcelona, ​​which appeared with many young players, was still not good enough to face pressure, they even appeared with an incomplete squad due to several injuries. This season should be different as Barcelona seem ready to take on the Champions League challenge despite their failures last season.

You are saying this retrospectively, but who and what was Inter Milan when nobody predicted that they would end up playing a Champions League final? The group was quite obvious and then Inter Milan shocked everyone when they went further and further in the competition.
Compared to Inter and Bayern Munich, people also think that Barcelona is not one of those who have a big chance to qualify for the top 16 last season. I'm not saying they are bad, but Barcelona's players' injury problems, especially in defense, have prevented them from going far in the 2022-2023 Champions League.


This year it will be harder because people adjusted their expectations, but I still think that they are one of the contenders because they know how to play these competitions.
This year will certainly be more difficult considering that almost all teams have made improvements to their squad. It's hard to say who is the absolute favourite, but I tend to agree that the Champions League will still be dominated by Premier League teams this season.

Manchester City and Arsenal are the two Premier League top teams in the Champions League, while Barcelona and Real Madrid will also be the same. Bayern Munich, PSG, Inter and Napoli are also worthy, while Milan are likely to make the same effort as last season. My favorites are Manchester City and Real Madrid, but I don't rule out the Bundesliga team going higher.

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August 26, 2023, 09:52:58 PM
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Barcelona was in the group of hell last season where Bayern Munich, Inter Milan are the two teams that really have good preparedness from their squad. Barcelona, ​​which appeared with many young players, was still not good enough to face pressure, they even appeared with an incomplete squad due to several injuries. This season should be different as Barcelona seem ready to take on the Champions League challenge despite their failures last season.

You are saying this retrospectively, but who and what was Inter Milan when nobody predicted that they would end up playing a Champions League final? The group was quite obvious and then Inter Milan shocked everyone when they went further and further in the competition.
Compared to Inter and Bayern Munich, people also think that Barcelona is not one of those who have a big chance to qualify for the top 16 last season. I'm not saying they are bad, but Barcelona's players' injury problems, especially in defense, have prevented them from going far in the 2022-2023 Champions League.


This year it will be harder because people adjusted their expectations, but I still think that they are one of the contenders because they know how to play these competitions.
This year will certainly be more difficult considering that almost all teams have made improvements to their squad. It's hard to say who is the absolute favourite, but I tend to agree that the Champions League will still be dominated by Premier League teams this season.

Manchester City and Arsenal are the two Premier League top teams in the Champions League, while Barcelona and Real Madrid will also be the same. Bayern Munich, PSG, Inter and Napoli are also worthy, while Milan are likely to make the same effort as last season. My favorites are Manchester City and Real Madrid, but I don't rule out the Bundesliga team going higher.
UEFA Champions League competition is club football's most prestigious trophy and that's because of the quality of teams and players that are always seen in the competition and so far the competition is concerned there'll always be surprising results and unbelievable moments. Last season we saw a new winner of the competition which was Manchester City but it wasn't surprising to many because the dominated the competition last season.
Despite the fact that there are 32 teams across Europe that are gonna be involved in the competition this season, I think there few club's that can be presumed as favorites such as Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Manchester City. There's a every possiblity that none of them will  reach the final of the competition but I think they're the current favorites

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don`t be too hard on Xavi, he went the extra mile. He was playing in a group full of big teams and couldn`t do better than he did. Xavi got many things wrong, I agree with you. It must be understood that it was also the first year.
Barcelona was in the group of hell last season where Bayern Munich, Inter Milan are the two teams that really have good preparedness from their squad. Barcelona, ​​which appeared with many young players, was still not good enough to face pressure, they even appeared with an incomplete squad due to several injuries. This season should be different as Barcelona seem ready to take on the Champions League challenge despite their failures last season.

Xavi usually focuses on younger players and this can make Barcelona have more potential than other teams, On the other hand, Inter Milan was the team playing in the final game of the last Champions League. there is a chance for us to see a miracle and one strong team lose this tournament earlier than they could expect to see.  

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August 27, 2023, 09:13:14 AM
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don`t be too hard on Xavi, he went the extra mile. He was playing in a group full of big teams and couldn`t do better than he did. Xavi got many things wrong, I agree with you. It must be understood that it was also the first year.
Barcelona was in the group of hell last season where Bayern Munich, Inter Milan are the two teams that really have good preparedness from their squad. Barcelona, ​​which appeared with many young players, was still not good enough to face pressure, they even appeared with an incomplete squad due to several injuries. This season should be different as Barcelona seem ready to take on the Champions League challenge despite their failures last season.

Xavi usually focuses on younger players and this can make Barcelona have more potential than other teams, On the other hand, Inter Milan was the team playing in the final game of the last Champions League. there is a chance for us to see a miracle and one strong team lose this tournament earlier than they could expect to see.  
I really appreciate Xavi as a Barcelona coach who only appeared with existing players but was able to maintain stable performance since last season but unfortunately Xavi hard work only got the title in La Liga without being able to get the UCL title last season and until this season I have doubts if Xavi is able to bring Barcelona to get the UCL title. I not saying Xavi is bad but just doubting a player who is difficult enough to appear to compete strongly with other teams in the UCL. because we all know that improvements to other teams have started to occur, such as Bayern Munich, which is currently in a very strong state with Kane, who was recently recruited by Munich, and there are still several other big teams that Barcelona must face, so I doubt that.

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August 27, 2023, 09:23:53 AM
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Carlo Ancelotti have announced about their current window transfers activities have been over and they will buy or sell players until next window transfer opening, its seems bad news for Madrid fans are expected for signing Mbappe. Actually, Real Madrid still on the positive start in La Liga but can't guarantee will get the same in UEFA Champion League will begin next month. After Karim Benzema departure, Real Madrid still not get great center forward except have to sign Joselu.
To be honest, I don't believe Ancelotti's words, however, as long as the transfer market hasn't closed, there will still be the possibility of bringing in more players. If I'm not mistaken in the 2021 transfer market he said the same thing but in time Real Madrid managed to sign Camavinga. I think that also applies in the transfer market this season and we will still see who the next striker is, although everyone knows who it is. The champions league competition is more difficult than the domestic league competition, so it is impossible this time for Real Madrid to just hope for luck to be able to repeat its success in 2021.
But it's not just Ancelotti's words because seeing from Perez's statement earlier he also said the same thing so I think this possibility will not change.
The summer transfer window will close in a few days and looking at their performance in La Liga right now it's actually still quite good and Ancelotti will still be quite satisfied with this.

It's just that even like that I think in the end this will change but in the winter because for the Champions League with the current conditions I don't think it will be possible so there needs to be some additions.

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August 27, 2023, 09:58:15 AM
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don`t be too hard on Xavi, he went the extra mile. He was playing in a group full of big teams and couldn`t do better than he did. Xavi got many things wrong, I agree with you. It must be understood that it was also the first year.
Barcelona was in the group of hell last season where Bayern Munich, Inter Milan are the two teams that really have good preparedness from their squad. Barcelona, ​​which appeared with many young players, was still not good enough to face pressure, they even appeared with an incomplete squad due to several injuries. This season should be different as Barcelona seem ready to take on the Champions League challenge despite their failures last season.

Xavi usually focuses on younger players and this can make Barcelona have more potential than other teams, On the other hand, Inter Milan was the team playing in the final game of the last Champions League. there is a chance for us to see a miracle and one strong team lose this tournament earlier than they could expect to see.  
I really appreciate Xavi as a Barcelona coach who only appeared with existing players but was able to maintain stable performance since last season but unfortunately Xavi hard work only got the title in La Liga without being able to get the UCL title last season and until this season I have doubts if Xavi is able to bring Barcelona to get the UCL title. I not saying Xavi is bad but just doubting a player who is difficult enough to appear to compete strongly with other teams in the UCL. because we all know that improvements to other teams have started to occur, such as Bayern Munich, which is currently in a very strong state with Kane, who was recently recruited by Munich, and there are still several other big teams that Barcelona must face, so I doubt that.
In my own opinion, I think Xavi Hernandez has been a great manager since he took over the managerial role at Barcelona. He became a Barcelona manager when the club were lacking the big names that were known at Barcelona and yet has been progressive with the available players in his possession. Xavi became a Barcelona manager when the club started to experience financial crises that's made them not be very active in the transfer market but was still able to win the Spanish La Liga title last season ahead of a star studded Real Madrid team. His young Barcelona side I think aren't good enough to win the UEFA Champions League title this season but from the progress he's recorded so far, Barcelona might win the competition in few seasons from now.

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August 27, 2023, 10:17:27 AM
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In the previous season, Barcelona failed in the group phase because they were unable to compete with Bayern Munich and Inter Milan. I don't think that's happening again with them this season. At least it can reach the semifinals or more.

don`t be too hard on Xavi, he went the extra mile. He was playing in a group full of big teams and couldn`t do better than he did. Xavi got many things wrong, I agree with you. It must be understood that it was also the first year.
Xavi was able to finish the season well in La Liga, but he failed to do so in the Champions League. Perhaps he has little experience in such competitions so far and it is easier for him to focus on one thing at a time. I think that in the current Champions League season Barcelona will not achieve great results again, because the competition is very big.

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August 27, 2023, 10:30:18 AM
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I think the steps of a team in the Champions League stage are determined in the group position, if you join relatively easy clubs then the next step will also be smooth. For now, Barca's strength has not really been read because it is only the beginning of the season in the Domestic League while the UCL is still at the Play Off stage. However, with the addition of players like Gundogan, it is hoped that Xavi's squad can go further in the UCL this season.
All team strengths will be clearly read when the group stage has started or is taking place this season. Because for now, we cannot assess all the teams how strong they have this season, even though each team already has new players and might become a mainstay of the team to bring about a change in strength in their squad.

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There are still many who place Barca in the list of favorites with other big teams, perhaps the historical and mental factors they have are the things that underlie these various assumptions.
If there are assumptions for historical factors, because Barcelona is a team that has been in operation for a very long time, but for mental factors I think other teams like Real Madrid also have the mentality of winning the Champions League even though last season Real Madrid failed to win the Champions League.

Even if they can play well in the group stage, but still there is no guarantee that they will continue to qualify easily. Because after all, even if they can qualify for the round of 16 but in reality, many leading teams or many favorite teams also fail in the knockout stage like in the round of 16. Therefore, it doesn't matter whether they are group winners or become runners up group, because to reaching the final match in the Champions League will certainly never be easy. Also, I don't care about Barcelona past history. Because anyway, Barcelona history in the last two seasons is also very very bad and at least, it will be difficult to rise in bad situations and conditions like Barcelona experienced in the moment.
I consider it normal when you say you don't care about the history of Barcelona, because each of us has our own views and favorite clubs. It is true that Barca in the last two seasons have been very bad in the Champions League, Xavi's squad has only been able to make it to the last 16 in 2021-2022, the next edition Barca has only played in the Group Phase.

I think all clubs experience ups and downs in performance, unstable financial factors really affect this. It is certainly not easy to rebuild a club that is facing a transition period, and is not supported by adequate finances.

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August 27, 2023, 11:09:55 AM
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Barcelona has indeed performed very well in the LA Liga, but Barcelona has often performed poorly in the past few seasons due to financial factors and injuries to several players which have been the cause of their unlucky UCL. Looking at the current composition of players, Barcelona should be able to perform in the UCL better than last season where they were forced down to the Europa League. The presence of ilkay gundogan as a creative midfielder should be able to present a game that fans miss in their heyday like in 2015
If you saw Barcelona last season, of course Barcelona were in their era of financial crisis, but Barcelona was able to win the Laliga trophy with Xavi expertise in managing tactics with Barcelona last season. So this season, Barcelona finances have not recovered from the financial crisis they are experiencing, so they have difficulty bringing in players in this transfer window.

But still, Barcelona is still a pretty strong team in Laliga this season. However, their first start of the season failed to get any points as they drew against Getafe and Barcelona managed to overcome this to win again against Cadiz. I think Barcelona run this season is certainly more impressive than the previous season and hope that Lewandowski can end the problem of scoring goals in the upcoming matches.
I think Barcelona's resilience is incredible given their finances. Can we just admire Xavi? His genius. I've believed that since he was a player. His level is different

Sure, they started poorly against Getafe. But who doesn't? I stubble my toe every morning. Their performance versus Cadiz? Awe-inspiring! I have a wacky theory: they're saving their best for the big matchups

Lewandowski, I have a strange feeling, will help Barcelona. Let's be cautious, please. Even the best player isn't the team. I'm ready for a wild ride

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August 27, 2023, 12:08:22 PM
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For the team that managed to collect the most Champions League trophies, maybe Real Madrid is on top but in the last few seasons Real Madrid can't be expected to win the Champions League.
This season, seeing Real Madrid's progress improve, there is hope of being able to fight for the trophy again, even though Real Madrid will have to compete with teams from leagues like Mancester City.
Pep Guardiola is very excited or very sure that the team he coaches can win the Champions League again and this will make it difficult for Real Madrid when they will compete for the Champions League.
If you say Real madrid had a better performance it seems a little wrong and if you see after losing Benzema Madrid was not able to perform optimally to give a better performance than last season and I doubt if you really really favor Manchstr city even if only because of haaland but does not mean to have a guarantee to be able to get back to the champion league title.
This season many club have seen their performance decline in their domestic league competition, they look a little bad, but if for the champions league there is no certainty how this top flight club can perform even better.
But I just hope that every season there are always new clubs that can get champions league trophy like Arsenal.
Benzema was a sharp striker for Real Madrid last season and the departure of Benzema gave a slight decrease in the game from Real Madrid but when you watch Real Madrid in the Domestic League they play quite well and even tend to be better than Barcelona.
Now Ancelotti is always trying to make the team less dependent on one player like last season when Benzema was there.
Manchester City has a goal machine, namely Haaland and he can make Manchester City have a different chance of winning, plus there are other players up front like Julian Alvarez and assisted by quite reliable midfielders Kevin De Bruyne and Jeremy
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With them on the front lines, Manchester City has very good strength in every attack on the opponent's goal.

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August 27, 2023, 01:04:16 PM
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Xavi was able to finish the season well in La Liga, but he failed to do so in the Champions League. Perhaps he has little experience in such competitions so far and it is easier for him to focus on one thing at a time. I think that in the current Champions League season Barcelona will not achieve great results again, because the competition is very big.
The barcleona's squad was not depth enough last season. That's why xavi has been buying some talented players like guendogan from manchester city as he wants barcelona will be fully prepared to face UCL this season.
The competition becomes even stricter and manchester city as the winner of last season has been doing massive improvements. Even city has bought the three times UCL winner kovacic from chelsea as his replacement. Barcelona were unable to get a good result in europa league last season. It has been proving if barcelona needs to strengthen its squad. The defensive line must become the main concern by xavi. Lewandowski is good in helping barcelona

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Xavi was able to finish the season well in La Liga, but he failed to do so in the Champions League. Perhaps he has little experience in such competitions so far and it is easier for him to focus on one thing at a time. I think that in the current Champions League season Barcelona will not achieve great results again, because the competition is very big.
The barcleona's squad was not depth enough last season. That's why xavi has been buying some talented players like guendogan from manchester city as he wants barcelona will be fully prepared to face UCL this season.
The competition becomes even stricter and manchester city as the winner of last season has been doing massive improvements. Even city has bought the three times UCL winner kovacic from chelsea as his replacement. Barcelona were unable to get a good result in europa league last season. It has been proving if barcelona needs to strengthen its squad. The defensive line must become the main concern by xavi. Lewandowski is good in helping barcelona
The work is not easy for them to be able to make them in a fierce competition, it requires a very strong mentality. Because it's not uncommon for a club to be eliminated because they don't have a strong mentality. But I think Barcelona have the foundation in terms of mentality.

But I don't think they need to think about it, because if they think about it too much it will make them depressed because they are forced to think about something that hasn't happened yet. It would be better if they just focus on their immediate matches. I mean they should prioritize finishing their matches one by one.

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August 27, 2023, 02:17:09 PM
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Xavi was able to finish the season well in La Liga, but he failed to do so in the Champions League. Perhaps he has little experience in such competitions so far and it is easier for him to focus on one thing at a time. I think that in the current Champions League season Barcelona will not achieve great results again, because the competition is very big.
The barcleona's squad was not depth enough last season. That's why xavi has been buying some talented players like guendogan from manchester city as he wants barcelona will be fully prepared to face UCL this season.
The competition becomes even stricter and manchester city as the winner of last season has been doing massive improvements. Even city has bought the three times UCL winner kovacic from chelsea as his replacement. Barcelona were unable to get a good result in europa league last season. It has been proving if barcelona needs to strengthen its squad. The defensive line must become the main concern by xavi. Lewandowski is good in helping barcelona
Actually, last season's squad was not much different from now, and even though Barcelona got Gundogan for free from Manchester City. But there is one player that really caught my attention, namely their academy player Lamine Yamal and currently he is in the Barcelona main squad to help strengthen the depth of the existing squad. If we look at his playing style, he is quite broad as a right winger and he can be a good option when the team needs a player who can penetrate the opponent's defense more.

On the other hand, Barcelona's defense is actually quite good, but I don't agree that sometimes Lewandowski doesn't contribute at a critical time like this and I think Barcelona can only rely on other players if they want to continue competing in the Champions League later.

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August 27, 2023, 03:46:58 PM
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Xavi have little experience in europe competition? come on man, that have to be a joke, i know he as a manager its one thing, but he play 20 years this competitions and he knows very well all from the inside of the beast, so, no excuses.

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August 27, 2023, 03:54:37 PM
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Xavi have little experience in europe competition? come on man, that have to be a joke, i know he as a manager its one thing, but he play 20 years this competitions and he knows very well all from the inside of the beast, so, no excuses.

Xavi is new to European competition as a coach, but as a player we certainly don't doubt his quality. The proof that Xavi still has to improve his experience as a coach, is about his failure in the last two seasons in the Champions League and also in the Europa League. Therefore, it is not wrong if someone says Xavi still does not have enough experience to be able to make Barcelona great again in the Champions League and or in European competition. Therefore, I personally am still not sure about Barcelona this season in the Champions League. Because anyway, even though Barcelona has great players but still, it is also not a guarantee for Barcelona to be good in the Champions League.

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August 27, 2023, 04:10:01 PM
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Xavi have little experience in europe competition? come on man, that have to be a joke, i know he as a manager its one thing, but he play 20 years this competitions and he knows very well all from the inside of the beast, so, no excuses.
Xavi is new to European competition as a coach, but as a player we certainly don't doubt his quality. The proof that Xavi still has to improve his experience as a coach, is about his failure in the last two seasons in the Champions League and also in the Europa League. Therefore, it is not wrong if someone says Xavi still does not have enough experience to be able to make Barcelona great again in the Champions League and or in European competition. Therefore, I personally am still not sure about Barcelona this season in the Champions League. Because anyway, even though Barcelona has great players but still, it is also not a guarantee for Barcelona to be good in the Champions League.

I have no doubt that Xavi is an excellent coach.  But he is inexperienced. We saw Barcelona's performance in the champions league last season. Even in the europa league , Barcelona's performance was very poor . Their squad was strong, yet the team could not play well in the europa league or champions league. Barcelona  performance in La liga this season has been quite stable. However  it cannot be said for sure whether barcelona will be able to do well in the champions league. Barcelona will definitely need a strong defense to do well in the champions league . Because barcelona's defense was weak in champions league or europa league last season. barcelona's midfield and attack have been strong this season. Now if xavi can strengthen barcelona's defense, I think they will be able to perform stably in the champions league as well...

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