Newbies Stop Teaching When You Need To Learn.

[Dzwaafu11]

The essence of this topic is not to discourage anyone from doing the right thing especially the newbies but just to advise them on some certain things which they have failed to understand. It is not right to see a newbie account with 2 activity and zero merit

I want newcomers to understand that not all threads are necessary here for them to discuss on, and that someone should do more research about something before bringing it up to the forum, even though you are not expected to do so as a beginner when you are also looking for a way to learn from the more experienced forum members. I believe some newcomers believe that creating a topic in the forum is a way of gaining merits but yeah it need to be meaningful, which is why I believe most beginners create threads Before they establish a post, this is why they perceive it as difficult when they wish to build a significant issue and then offer it that way, however I think some still lack guarding.

Although they are newbies, that consistently post meaningful posts to the forum. Despite this, however, merits do not come for only forum contributions. In my opinion, exchanging thoughtful, beneficial suggestions is another approach to acquire merits that will advance one's rank.

[nurilham]

We all know that a newbie account in this forum doesn't always mean a beginner in crypto. Someone may be experienced enough, but he just joined bitcointalk forum. I'm sure there are many professional traders or investors who aren't involved with bitcointalk forum. They may focus on their own business and aren't interested to join discussions in a crypto forum. So, I've no problem if a newbie shares tips or advice for crypto investment or trading. But if a newbie shares tips or advice about improving post quality or the best way to get merits, it is surely weird/strange. How can a newbie with a few posts only, understand something specific in this forum? It doesn't make sense. I can agree that a newbie needs a process to know everything about this forum. 

[Botnake]

It’s actually a real talk for newbies as they are not supposed to act as if they know, when they have nothing important to share in reality. I believe it’s more of a pride and maybe greed. So I think as much as possible, newbies should avoid educating others, but instead educate theirselves first by being open minded so they can easily absorb everything that they need to acquire and learn. After that, when they’re good and reliable enough, they can always take time to teach other people those important things that newbies need to know.

[KingsDen]

A very good advice Op!
Some newbies pretend they know much and always advice their fellow newbies and sometimes they tend to advice some established members too. But we have nothing to worry about because every action has its consequence. Most of such newbies end up in people's ignore list.

However, this does not mean that there are no professional newbies. Any newbie that is pro in bitcoin, trading, mining, altcoins etc are free to give advices or teach even on their first day. The community will appreciate

[Learn Bitcoin]

Or worse — sometimes we have users with zero merits trying to teach people how to make quality posts and how to earn merits the right way. Like, lmao. Every time I see those kinds of posts this is the thing that always comes to my mind:

This is hilarious. I don't have a problem if a newbie comes up with something I have never heard before or that is important to learn. Rank should not matter in this case. But, If someone is a newbie in forum rank and wants to teach others how the forum works, that's fascinating and affords to catch some merits. As I said, there are many talented people with newbie forum rank who have coding skills and other skills which may help others get rid of issues. I appreciate their help if they create a solution thread or post. BTW, where did you get this meme? I have seen this YouTuber, and he is proud of this meme. Now he got some subscribers. I hope people won't call you Bengali because you posted this.

[Kaliandra]

I agree with your opinion, because if we don't know, don't force yourself to answer. so just answer what we know.

but this is a discussion forum so of course we are free to express opinions, with quality opinions.

but of course op YOU don't worry because there are moderators who will of course delete posts that are not useful.
and in my opinion a beginner must also be confident in expressing opinions, because of course everyone's opinion is different.

but op something that you convey is of course a good thing because we really have to maintain the quality of posts in this forum.

[Johnlomape]

I do not accept the idea of a newbie not sharing his or her own idea on how to invest in bitcoin or trying to advise a new investor on how to invest because many newbies here has been on the bitcoin world outside this bitcointalk forum and many people are a strong investor that has invested for a long time now so bitcointalk newbies that have been an investors can share there own lite knowledge about bitcoin, everyone in this forum should share there own ideas about bitcoin so others can aquare more knowledge.

Reading this make me sick and maybe op might be right but that does not mean that all newbies are ignorant of the cryptocurrency market. This is just a community where you can decide or not to create an account and participate in the community building and sharing different opinions. Not everyone is interested in this so if a newbie gives his own opinion about the general aspect of investment and what it could entails, that should be seen based on there knowledge and experience the person has so far not on the rank or level in the community.

No one should see a newbie as a juvenile writer or someone that has no concrete knowledge about some certain things, whether investment or not. If the community is opened to everyone so we should know that we're liable for anything we write here and going to bear the consequences if it's against the rules and it's guidelines.
Nice try op!

[m2017]

~snip

Indeed, sometimes it's funny to see the posts of beginners in which they broadcast like experienced gurus. In theory, this could actually be because we don't know the background of accounts with 2 activities and 0 merit. In real life, this may indeed be people with fairly extensive knowledge and experience, but in practice, most often, these advisers turn out to be not quite experienced experts. This can be seen from the content of their texts. It's good that OP raised this topic for discussion, because this problem takes place on the forum and I would like that after reading the comments here, newcomers stop pretending to be crypto-gurus (for some, this is simply necessary). It is better to concentrate on enriching your knowledge, instead of teaching others (especially when there is no necessary knowledge for this).

[Vaculin]

It's not bad or wrong to teach someone who are interested about something like Crypto and other related topics but I would say that it is bad if what that person is teaching to someone is not the correct information or should I say misinformation then that's an issue or situation that we don't want to happen but there are newbies who are already knowledgeable about the topic and some are present here in the forum where the only that makes them newbie is about the rank while their knowledge is not on a newbie level.

Well that could be true for some newbies. But I have also seen other newbies trying to influence other people and act like as if they know everything when the fact is they only have less knowledge and real experiences in the market. That should never be encouraged in the first place. Although sharing information is never bad, but what makes it bad is you are miseducating the person who also believe that what you tell him are all based on facts and reliable enough.

[KingsDen]

~snip

Indeed, sometimes it's funny to see the posts of beginners in which they broadcast like experienced gurus. In theory, this could actually be because we don't know the background of accounts with 2 activities and 0 merit. In real life, this may indeed be people with fairly extensive knowledge and experience, but in practice, most often, these advisers turn out to be not quite experienced experts. This can be seen from the content of their texts. It's good that OP raised this topic for discussion, because this problem takes place on the forum and I would like that after reading the comments here, newcomers stop pretending to be crypto-gurus (for some, this is simply necessary). It is better to concentrate on enriching your knowledge, instead of teaching others (especially when there is no necessary knowledge for this).

Most newbies who teach even when they don't actually know what they are talking about often get banned. Do you know why? Lovesmayfamilis is that one person that points it out. As she will always say in ban appeals that the victims wanted to show that they are actually more intelligent than they are. The only way to do this is to copy random texts from online and pass them as theirs.
If actually they don't do this, how will they maintain their tutor standards in the forum.
There is actually nothing bad in being opened to learning.

[Kasabus]

Newbies should focus first on acquiring new concepts in the crypto market before they will be reliable enough to teach others so that their teachings will be based on facts and are not misleading. And to think that you cannot share something relevant when you have nothing important to share in the first place so always chose to learn first for yourself before others will learn from you. That is how teaching and learning takes place.

[Mayor of ogba]

I'm a newbie, and I want to learn how things work around here. Please you can advise me on the right part to take, and also I need to be guided on the type of post to make as a newbie

[Fullcoinese]

We all know that a newbie account in this forum doesn't always mean a beginner in crypto. Someone may be experienced enough, but he just joined bitcointalk forum. I'm sure there are many professional traders or investors who aren't involved with bitcointalk forum. They may focus on their own business and aren't interested to join discussions in a crypto forum. So, I've no problem if a newbie shares tips or advice for crypto investment or trading. But if a newbie shares tips or advice about improving post quality or the best way to get merits, it is surely weird/strange. How can a newbie with a few posts only, understand something specific in this forum? It doesn't make sense. I can agree that a newbie needs a process to know everything about this forum. 

yes, this forum is a place for open discussion and in my opinion there is no problem if beginners teach something to other members. as long as the advice or opinion is reasonable and correct why belittle them as a beginner.
This forum is for open discussion and if someone gives advice whether they are beginners or not and it is their right to give suggestions or their opinions, beginners do not mean that they have no experience at all.
but sometimes it's a bit strange if a beginner teaches forum techniques that they shouldn't fully understand. but once again I think even beginners have the right to give advice according to their abilities.

[Alisha-k]

Or worse — sometimes we have users with zero merits trying to teach people how to make quality posts and how to earn merits the right way. Like, lmao. Every time I see those kinds of posts this is the thing that always comes to my mind:

this is hilarious, he's teaching what he can't apply..

But most times what the teach tend to benefit other users, life has different approaches, the approach I embrace may work for me and not for you, so its best to find your motivation and stay put at it.

[GeorgeJohn]

While some people come up with idea that is not cogent and not reasonable enough is because of they are inquisitive to earn merit, from my understanding you most learn and make a proper research before coming up with idea, every one knows while they in rush to make thread is because of merit earning which is obvious, some newbie have ideas of cryptocurrency before joining forum while some don't have the idea, so to learn better you have to read and observe the community before making any reply

[Alpha Marine]

I don't find it wrong if a newbie wanted to share a very important knowledge as long as they really have knowledge over the topic being discussed.  A newbie here can be a guru outside this forum and has bountiful knowledge about the topic he wanted to discuss.  As long as the thread of the newbie is constructive, innovative and full of new information, it will certainly helps  the members in the forum to have more knowledge about the given topic.

I agree with this. If the person is contributing to Bitcoin or something related to it in general then it's fine. If it's a contribution to economic stuff and life, the world, politics, etc, then it's fine. One thing I've really admired about this forum is that despite the ranking system, you can learn from anybody.

The problem comes when the person is making advice about things on the forum when he is just new to the forum. You can't be advising people to make quality posts when you've not had a single activity period. Telling people how to get merit when you've not had a single merit. It's absurd, except that's an alt account.
A person might be a guru in Bitcoin trading and be a newbie on the forum, so if that kind of person is making a piece of advice on trading then it's perfectly fine, (that's what we're here for; to learn), but being a guru in trading doesn't mean he knows all about the forum to the extent of teaching others about stuff like that.

[avp2306]

While some people come up with idea that is not cogent and not reasonable enough is because of they are inquisitive to earn merit, from my understanding you most learn and make a proper research before coming up with idea, every one knows while they in rush to make thread is because of merit earning which is obvious, some newbie have ideas of cryptocurrency before joining forum while some don't have the idea, so to learn better you have to read and observe the community before making any reply

Nothing wrong if they share some idea but they also need to support their thread if someone ask them about what they shared. If they just post an information without visiting it and just target to earn a merit then this is really wrong because provably nothing happen to their development if they became a merit whore.

Best if they could just more helpful things for their selves and maybe stop engaging on situations that they don't know.

Its good to focus for a while on informations you need to learn because this could give them a big help so that they could learn a lot of things on crypto.

[CryptSafe]

Newbies are not expected to teach and influence other people as their knowledge is still limited. They lack knowledge and experience to share that will convince the people. Instead, they are obliged to acquire more reliable information first and develop some self strategies and skills so that they can be good teachers and influencers in the future. Although I believe sharing what you learn is a noble act, but note that newbies are not capable to do that, just give that chance to those who have been here in the market for long.

As a newbie, it is assumed that you are new onboard the platform so therefore, you have no idea how the system works and as a matter of fact, since this platform is all about bitcoin, same thought is applicable in both ways.  Although some newbies are not what you think they are, some have vast  experience in Crypto currency and bitcoin and would want to show it here but would be talked down at. So the best way to avoid such is to remain a newbie, and learn about the forum and policies so as to keep updated of events and activities.
In as much as some newbies are knowledgeable enough, they would have no option than being cool  until they rank up.

[stadus]

It is not right to see a newbie account with 2 activity and zero merit advising people in the forum on the right investment to choose while investing in bitcoin especially when making the first post here.

I don't think there's a problem with it. Being a newbie here in the forum does not necessarily mean being a newbie in real life. What if an expert in investing in real life were to join the forum to share their knowledge and learn at the same time? I believe that would change your perspective on your statement. Therefore, I think we should not generalize and always believe that anyone can share or provide advice regarding investments, regardless of their forum status.

In reality, there are individuals who hold legendary ranks in the forum but have limited knowledge when it comes to investment.

[Rengga Jati]

I decided not to include links to some funny post of some newbies because some of them will take it as an insult instead of a motivation and I am open for any correction if I have gone too far trying to encourage them.

Actually, this is not wrong, as long as they really understand what they are telling or teaching. If they have a little knowledge that is understood and is willing to share it in good, organized, and easy-to-understand language and the essence of which is correct and appropriate, not plagiarism, this is really not a problem. especially if it is fairly new information. This will be an attraction in itself.

However, that is the ideal condition, While what happened is true as the OP said. And it's not even just 1 or 2 that do, but many more. So, it is true that we need to understand first before teaching something to others. Sharing or teaching something that we really understand and is in our realm, not just pretending to know in order to get a prize or merit from other people.

Oops