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July 08, 2023, 10:27:44 AM
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You are right, indeed that is not a good reason for gamblers to cheat because the Odds given by the casino are only based on the winning percentage.
If those who have a high chance of winning must have low Odds, it is hard to just assume that everything is unfair.
After all, the house always wins in gambling, so we can't expect to always have a win.

The right choice if it's better to leave the casino that you feel is cheating and choose to move to another casino, but if you want to make an allegation of fraud, we must be able to have accurate evidence and also the right statement for what accused.

I was talking about it in more detail earlier, but in brief: "The house always wins", doesn't imply every gambler always loses. Let's not forget about that. Smiley

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It's like I killed someone because I suspect he killed one of my relatives or tried to kill me. Even if it's proved that someone killed your relatives or attempted to kill you, you still cannot kill someone. There are laws in each county. You cannot make a decision based on just suspicion. You should have some proof to claim that he is a killer and should be punished.

Now, we don't know if some casinos were cheating on us. It's not easy for players to cheat a casino if they do not have some kind of bonus. If you find a loophole where you cheat the platform, it's not ethical to use it to take advantage. In this case, you are a cheater.

Yep, that's what is very important to understand.  The life of a cheater is miserable in many ways and the money you might get by cheating is not worth it. Evolutionary this world has become a place where cheaters don't prosper.

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July 08, 2023, 10:38:22 AM
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Well, unless for most new casinos that have not really been proven to be reputable or some casinos that were just established to scam users, there is no way any reputable casino will want to ruin their reputation by cheating users. The general principle of gambling is that gamblers losses are always higher than their winnings. Whoever is using a casino should just choose a reputable casino, and they will not have the fear of being cheated by the system. For some platforms, there could be downtime with the system, which could cause some errors, but for casinos, I have not seen a situation where they even had a repeated case of error that could lead to players cheating them and winning very big. Would it even be possible to cheat a casino without them restricting the user's account? I don't think is possible.



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Well, if it's a physical casino we are playing on, I probably would agree that there could be some ways to cheat the casino, most especially when playing on a slot machine, there is the possibility that the machine might malfunction which could possibly lead to the gambler hitting a big and unexpected winning, and if the casino does not investigate the winning and goes ahead to pay the gambler, then that's he's or her luck..

But for online casino, I sure have to agree with you that, there is no way possible any game can game the system without being caught, it's just impossible which ever way we try to look at it.

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July 08, 2023, 11:05:59 AM
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Well, unless for most new casinos that have not really been proven to be reputable or some casinos that were just established to scam users, there is no way any reputable casino will want to ruin their reputation by cheating users. The general principle of gambling is that gamblers losses are always higher than their winnings. Whoever is using a casino should just choose a reputable casino, and they will not have the fear of being cheated by the system. For some platforms, there could be downtime with the system, which could cause some errors, but for casinos, I have not seen a situation where they even had a repeated case of error that could lead to players cheating them and winning very big. Would it even be possible to cheat a casino without them restricting the user's account? I don't think is possible.



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Well, if it's a physical casino we are playing on, I probably would agree that there could be some ways to cheat the casino, most especially when playing on a slot machine, there is the possibility that the machine might malfunction which could possibly lead to the gambler hitting a big and unexpected winning, and if the casino does not investigate the winning and goes ahead to pay the gambler, then that's he's or her luck..

But for online casino, I sure have to agree with you that, there is no way possible any game can game the system without being caught, it's just impossible which ever way we try to look at it.
The same glitch you propose would happen to a physical casino can also happen to online casino although it is rare or maybe even hard but the programers of some online casino can still make some error that can lead to their customers acquiring some unexpected benefits but the only issue is that these online casino can still confiscate these benefits and make corrections to the flaws in their system immediately.

I don't know about this one but maybe the website of the casino can be hacked and then the player can alter the amount in their balance.

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July 08, 2023, 11:45:20 AM
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The same glitch you propose would happen to a physical casino can also happen to online casino although it is rare or maybe even hard but the programers of some online casino can still make some error that can lead to their customers acquiring some unexpected benefits but the only issue is that these online casino can still confiscate these benefits and make corrections to the flaws in their system immediately.

I don't know about this one but maybe the website of the casino can be hacked and then the player can alter the amount in their balance.
Any casino is centralized, so it's similar like centralized exchange got hacked and the hacker can rob all the money in the site. But it's not cheat in gambling, that's how to rob the money through hacking. Any centralized site that related with money can be hacked, not only in casino.

I think if someone create an accusation thread, photoshopped the proof and he can convince people in this forum if the casino is the scammer, this make everyone will pressure the casino to repay the gambler. This could be called as cheating.

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July 08, 2023, 12:06:19 PM
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Generally, casinos or any platforms start a bug bounty program when they first launch their platform so that if users find any vulnerabilities or bugs in the platform, they report them to the management so that they can get a reward and they can improve their platform, and they stop that program after some time when they feel that there aren't any more bugs and vulnerabilities, only a few platforms would have such a program all the time.

So expecting something in return for reporting a bug or a vulnerability on a platform that doesn't have a bug bounty program going on is useless because you are not going to get anything at all unless it is something very serious and it could cause them huge losses, then they might think of giving you a few free spins.
However this attitude can cause bugs to go unreported, after all an honest gambler may not take advantage of the bug, but if there is no incentive for them they may not report it either, thinking the people responsible behind the website to check for those things will eventually notice it, however if they do not and the first one to notice it this time around is a cheater this could bring heavy losses to the casino, losses which could have been avoided with a bug bounty program.

That is why some sites offer rewards to those who can find bugs in the system. Though it was their part to investigate and look for some irregularities inside but as responsible gamblers, we also have to report even though we never get money because there is trust which is most important. As long as the site has not cheated anyone, they should also get respect and no reason to cheat. Cheaters could be found too easily, so we never have to try it because in the end, we are the only ones that suffer the most.
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July 08, 2023, 04:41:06 PM
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That is why some sites offer rewards to those who can find bugs in the system. Though it was their part to investigate and look for some irregularities inside but as responsible gamblers, we also have to report even though we never get money because there is trust which is most important. As long as the site has not cheated anyone, they should also get respect and no reason to cheat. Cheaters could be found too easily, so we never have to try it because in the end, we are the only ones that suffer the most.
Besides that, there's no point in cheating the casino. After all, the casino will know if we are cheating on the casino because the casino can easily check all of its user accounts. And after being caught, the casino can punish us according to the rules that apply at the casino. If the casino wants, our account, including all our balances, can be blocked easily to make us regret what we have done. It's better to report to the casino if we find a bug so that the casino can immediately check and fix it. After all, the casino could have rewarded us for helping the securities team find the bug.

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July 08, 2023, 05:49:43 PM
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However this attitude can cause bug to go unreported, after all an honest gambler may not take advantage of the bug, but if there is no incentive for them they may not report it either, thinking the people responsible behind the website to check for those things will eventually notice it, however if they do not and the first one to notice it this time around is a cheater this could bring heavy losses to the casino, losses which could have been avoided with a bug bounty program.

The casino will look closely at what you are doing when you keep winning, and get caught in the end. Taking advantage of the bugs discovered will not be taken lightly by the casino. As a consequence, they can pretend all things are good and they will make you lose all the time from now on lol that's really a bad ass casino. Yup Karma knows no boundary.

Or the casino will suspend your account with your money frozen. And then they will show the public what you did cause it can't be coincident that you keep doing it over and over with the help of the bug.

The second option is without a doubt the best out of the two, as somehow modifying the results a gambler gets is too close to cheating to my tastes, and even if we could say it was justified in the mind of a lot of gamblers they will begin to wonder if the same may have happened to them already even if they were not cheating, in this case it is better for the casino to simply come clean once the gambler makes a scam accusation and then they can prove their innocence and why they are refusing to pay.
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July 08, 2023, 06:24:23 PM
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Will you try a trick to win on casino game machines if you were told and it is a 100% working trick to cash out? Will you bet on fixed games if you get the tip early?
Of course, I will if I was 100 percent sure that it was a win but in my betting experience here online, I have never encountered a scenario where someone offered me to bet on a certain team because the game was fixed.

On offline gambling like cockfighting, there you can see lots of cheating that an ordinary cockfighting enthusiast won't detect. Examples of these cheatings are the blades used on one bird being dull so it can't kill the supposed to be the winner, on that fight alone someone could win several thousand dollars if not caught.

Bottom line, when you are gambling, cheating is an option if it is given because our objective is to get that money so it's the job of the casino or other platform to protect themselves from this modus.
Well, everyone has a different mindset and beliefs, some people would say it will be against their moral values to cheat, and some will say it's unethical and not good, but to be honest, I would also do it but only if I come to know that the casino has cheated me too and that has cost me a lot of money, and now when I got the opportunity to make it even, why not? If I get a signal that a match is fixed and I trust the source, I would surely go for it without a second thought.

Besides, it's not like things like these happen every day, such things happen once in a blue moon, no one ever gets any signals of that sort unless they are too lucky or they have someone from the inside that lets them know about the outcome if it has been fixed already, and they can take advantage from it.

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July 08, 2023, 09:30:26 PM
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By losing a lot in gambling casino sites, a gambler would definitely do it. I will. Just to get back whatever the gambler lost.
This is actually why gambling sites are strengthening their security. Anti-spam to avoid flooding, anti-hack, and anti-cheat. Everything that has to do with stealing something from them.
If there's a hole that you could take advantage of, do so. Get back all the money they got from you and some profits so you can gamble again in the normal way where they will always win.
I just recently saw how cruel it could be for those who gamble a lot but have not withdrawn anything and not because the gambling site is not allowing them but because they want more. If they will be in that position where there's a chance to cheat then they will. It's not about "moral standards" anymore because their mind processing is hatred towards the gambling site where they lose a ton of money, they will do it without a tiny doubt.

Exploits are always the secret weapon of every player who wants to take advantage of the casino, I don't know, but to avoid it, what casinos do is increase their security, but as I have said on many occasions, it would be great. if the casino could offer great rewards, very juicy for those who discover vulnerabilities, and thus the casino avoids being hacked, but I have not seen casinos that reward or encourage this type of practice to be rewarded, on many occasions Casinos that have been hacked is because they do not offer this type of help or rewards.

So far I have seen many casinos that have invested a lot in their security , it's not bad , since everything related to AI is in fashion, I Imagine that they are introducing security of all kinds including this one, although it has not been Determined that an AI can break the Blockchain codes must be taken care of very much , I have seen that some casinos with great security there are Always Some holes that some Criminals see and take Advantage of.

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By losing a lot in gambling casino sites, a gambler would definitely do it. I will. Just to get back whatever the gambler lost.
This is actually why gambling sites are strengthening their security. Anti-spam to avoid flooding, anti-hack, and anti-cheat. Everything that has to do with stealing something from them.
If there's a hole that you could take advantage of, do so. Get back all the money they got from you and some profits so you can gamble again in the normal way where they will always win.
I just recently saw how cruel it could be for those who gamble a lot but have not withdrawn anything and not because the gambling site is not allowing them but because they want more. If they will be in that position where there's a chance to cheat then they will. It's not about "moral standards" anymore because their mind processing is hatred towards the gambling site where they lose a ton of money, they will do it without a tiny doubt.

Exploits are always the secret weapon of every player who wants to take advantage of the casino, I don't know, but to avoid it, what casinos do is increase their security, but as I have said on many occasions, it would be great. if the casino could offer great rewards, very juicy for those who discover vulnerabilities, and thus the casino avoids being hacked, but I have not seen casinos that reward or encourage this type of practice to be rewarded, on many occasions Casinos that have been hacked is because they do not offer this type of help or rewards.

So far I have seen many casinos that have invested a lot in their security , it's not bad , since everything related to AI is in fashion, I Imagine that they are introducing security of all kinds including this one, although it has not been Determined that an AI can break the Blockchain codes must be taken care of very much , I have seen that some casinos with great security there are Always Some holes that some Criminals see and take Advantage of.
Finding bugs and using exploits to your advantage is cheating and whenever a casino founds it surely you will not be able to withdraw a single penny. Once exploit on Rollbit cost lots of Litecoins to them but many users have shared the profit on chat then they had withdrawn big amounts till they get caught. That is how it has been done before, so make your decision correctly before deciding to repeat same actions Smiley

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July 08, 2023, 09:48:50 PM
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That is why some sites offer rewards to those who can find bugs in the system. Though it was their part to investigate and look for some irregularities inside but as responsible gamblers, we also have to report even though we never get money because there is trust which is most important. As long as the site has not cheated anyone, they should also get respect and no reason to cheat. Cheaters could be found too easily, so we never have to try it because in the end, we are the only ones that suffer the most.
Besides that, there's no point in cheating the casino. After all, the casino will know if we are cheating on the casino because the casino can easily check all of its user accounts. And after being caught, the casino can punish us according to the rules that apply at the casino. If the casino wants, our account, including all our balances, can be blocked easily to make us regret what we have done. It's better to report to the casino if we find a bug so that the casino can immediately check and fix it. After all, the casino could have rewarded us for helping the securities team find the bug.
There's no point on doing so because on the time that you would really get caught if ever you do succeed then the casino wont really be that so dumb on not to detect those things. They have set out the best security as much as possible and if there would be some possible exploits or cheating scenario or situation then they would definitely be able to track out. You might really be able to say that cheating is possible but how you would be able to do so? There's no way that we could really be able to bypass casino security so easily unless if you are really that a pro hacker then its possible but still not an assurance because security exploits and simply cheating is never been that easily possible most of the time. This is why better not to mind in doing so.
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July 08, 2023, 11:51:17 PM
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Well, if it's a physical casino we are playing on, I probably would agree that there could be some ways to cheat the casino, most especially when playing on a slot machine, there is the possibility that the machine might malfunction which could possibly lead to the gambler hitting a big and unexpected winning, and if the casino does not investigate the winning and goes ahead to pay the gambler, then that's he's or her luck..

But for online casino, I sure have to agree with you that, there is no way possible any game can game the system without being caught, it's just impossible which ever way we try to look at it.

Yeah, for those slot machines, errors like that can happen but are very unlikely to occur. You know every day, Those staff keep those machines in check to see if there is a possibility of developing any fault because they are fully aware that with any slight mistake, they can really lose a whole lot of money than usual. I really have not read any case like that, I don't know if you have. I just think that really before anything like that can happen.

For online casinos, it's very easy for them to just quickly place some restrictions on your account until they rectify whatever issue it is.


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July 08, 2023, 11:56:57 PM
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If there arises an opportunity and if was due to the problem from their end. I'll try to have advantage through it. I haven't got opportunity, but this is the common thinking of each and every people. I'm not an exception, because we might've lost big on the platform, why not we get some of those losses back. This is how the mind thinks.

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July 08, 2023, 11:58:28 PM
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Well, if it's a physical casino we are playing on, I probably would agree that there could be some ways to cheat the casino, most especially when playing on a slot machine, there is the possibility that the machine might malfunction which could possibly lead to the gambler hitting a big and unexpected winning, and if the casino does not investigate the winning and goes ahead to pay the gambler, then that's he's or her luck..

But for online casino, I sure have to agree with you that, there is no way possible any game can game the system without being caught, it's just impossible which ever way we try to look at it.

Yeah, for those slot machines, errors like that can happen but are very unlikely to occur. You know every day, Those staff keep those machines in check to see if there is a possibility of developing any fault because they are fully aware that with any slight mistake, they can really lose a whole lot of money than usual. I really have not read any case like that, I don't know if you have. I just think that really before anything like that can happen.

For online casinos, it's very easy for them to just quickly place some restrictions on your account until they rectify whatever issue it is.
Cheers 🥂, Dr.Bitcoin_Strange 👺👺

and that is the reason why if they suspect that there's anomaly going on with your games or with your activities, they can easily freeze your account. up until they review your previous bets and see where it might went sideways.
so for me, always be honest with your games even if no one is looking. because you have no worry that someone might caught you and give you trouble. it will also give you peace of mind knowing that you are not cheating even if you say, it is on gambling.

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and that is the reason why if they suspect that there's anomaly going on with your games or with your activities, they can easily freeze your account. up until they review your previous bets and see where it might went sideways.
so for me, always be honest with your games even if no one is looking. because you have no worry that someone might caught you and give you trouble. it will also give you peace of mind knowing that you are not cheating even if you say, it is on gambling.
First and foremost, are there cheats in the gaming system? If this is true, it indicates that most gamblers, particularly addicts, would be willing to do everything to gain access to enormous benefits from the system. As long as I'm involved in the gaming system, I'll do anything to save or profit immensely from it, nobody can be trusted in the deal that involves money. You're probably wondering why. I've really suffered at the custody of gambling, going on a losing streak that lasted a month or more, so if the opportunity comes to cheat, I will gladly do it without a second thought.

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and that is the reason why if they suspect that there's anomaly going on with your games or with your activities, they can easily freeze your account. up until they review your previous bets and see where it might went sideways.
so for me, always be honest with your games even if no one is looking. because you have no worry that someone might caught you and give you trouble. it will also give you peace of mind knowing that you are not cheating even if you say, it is on gambling.
First and foremost, are there cheats in the gaming system? If this is true, it indicates that most gamblers, particularly addicts, would be willing to do everything to gain access to enormous benefits from the system. As long as I'm involved in the gaming system, I'll do anything to save or profit immensely from it, nobody can be trusted in the deal that involves money. You're probably wondering why. I've really suffered at the custody of gambling, going on a losing streak that lasted a month or more, so if the opportunity comes to cheat, I will gladly do it without a second thought.
Since most of the gamblers have lost huge amounts of money gambling for a long time, they always have the intention to recover their losses from the platform. In that case, if there is any error in the gambling platform then gamblers will naturally think of recovering their lost money from that platform. It should be remembered that gamblers are mostly greedy for money. There are some who can hold on to their integrity, but most will want to take advantage of it. So gambling platforms should not have any scope where gamblers can get money unfairly.

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July 09, 2023, 05:17:32 PM
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There's no point on doing so because on the time that you would really get caught if ever you do succeed then the casino wont really be that so dumb on not to detect those things. They have set out the best security as much as possible and if there would be some possible exploits or cheating scenario or situation then they would definitely be able to track out. You might really be able to say that cheating is possible but how you would be able to do so? There's no way that we could really be able to bypass casino security so easily unless if you are really that a pro hacker then its possible but still not an assurance because security exploits and simply cheating is never been that easily possible most of the time. This is why better not to mind in doing so.
It will only bring us into trouble that we have to face because once we are caught cheating in the casino, we will get punished from the casino. And if we don't want to experience or face that punishment, it's better to play normally and not try to cheat the casino because the casinos know who is trying to cheat them. The casino already has a qualified security team that can detect players trying to cheat and report it to other departments for follow-up. But it is true that some gamblers have managed to cheat the casinos, have not been caught, and have just gotten lucky.

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July 09, 2023, 05:41:48 PM
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As a morally upright person that does not like to cheat people, but gambles and has lost a lot of money to gambling in a casino where you have sometimes been cheated even without your knowledge or betting on sports, will you take an opportunity you get and go against your moral standards to cheat a casino or sportsbetting place, just so you can win big at least even once.

Will you try a trick to win on casino game machines if you were told and it is a 100% working trick to cash out? Will you bet on fixed games if you get the tip early?

If I am being cheated and I know that, then I will obviously try to take revenge if that guarantees me a 100% winning chance. Only if they have cheated on me. Otherwise, I have no intention to cheat. But the probability is quite thin that you will get to know that you have been cheated on. Casinos have very strict rules and secrets that they use in order to make it look fair. Or they can change the TA at any time or show that they have already added it beforehand. Another thing they could do is seize your account before you can make withdrawals if they know that you have cheated or used a trick to win. So if I get a chance to take my money back, then I will use it. After that, I will withdraw my funds and move on to a new platform.
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July 09, 2023, 05:50:30 PM
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That is why some sites offer rewards to those who can find bugs in the system. Though it was their part to investigate and look for some irregularities inside but as responsible gamblers, we also have to report even though we never get money because there is trust which is most important. As long as the site has not cheated anyone, they should also get respect and no reason to cheat. Cheaters could be found too easily, so we never have to try it because in the end, we are the only ones that suffer the most.
Besides that, there's no point in cheating the casino. After all, the casino will know if we are cheating on the casino because the casino can easily check all of its user accounts. And after being caught, the casino can punish us according to the rules that apply at the casino. If the casino wants, our account, including all our balances, can be blocked easily to make us regret what we have done. It's better to report to the casino if we find a bug so that the casino can immediately check and fix it. After all, the casino could have rewarded us for helping the securities team find the bug.
Trying to cheat a casino cam only be fine when you don't have much money in your account and don't have the plan to stay for a very long time in the casino because it is certain that the person will be ban or account locked as quick as possible. Many of these casinos are always strict and ready to penalize us when we do something contrary to there terms and conditions especially when the person a has some money in there account. It will be unwise for us to try and cheat a casino when we know that the casino can in any ways freeze our account for breaking there team's and conditions.

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July 09, 2023, 06:12:11 PM
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That is why some sites offer rewards to those who can find bugs in the system. Though it was their part to investigate and look for some irregularities inside but as responsible gamblers, we also have to report even though we never get money because there is trust which is most important. As long as the site has not cheated anyone, they should also get respect and no reason to cheat. Cheaters could be found too easily, so we never have to try it because in the end, we are the only ones that suffer the most.
Besides that, there's no point in cheating the casino. After all, the casino will know if we are cheating on the casino because the casino can easily check all of its user accounts. And after being caught, the casino can punish us according to the rules that apply at the casino. If the casino wants, our account, including all our balances, can be blocked easily to make us regret what we have done. It's better to report to the casino if we find a bug so that the casino can immediately check and fix it. After all, the casino could have rewarded us for helping the securities team find the bug.
Trying to cheat a casino cam only be fine when you don't have much money in your account and don't have the plan to stay for a very long time in the casino because it is certain that the person will be ban or account locked as quick as possible. Many of these casinos are always strict and ready to penalize us when we do something contrary to there terms and conditions especially when the person a has some money in there account. It will be unwise for us to try and cheat a casino when we know that the casino can in any ways freeze our account for breaking there team's and conditions.
I agree with you because the casino has the right and power to freeze or ban our account at any time if we badly cheat the casino.
But few are surprised by people who still cheat casinos by taking advantage of bonuses given by gambling such as welcome bonuses or other bonuses.
Some of them are always successful in committing their crimes but there are some that I have seen once the casino finds out this gambler is cheating the casino will ban him by tagging his KYC or IP address.

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