Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions

[MFahad]

Begging is a natural part of the world according to what you say. Because not every nation could have the same resources and some nations are just forced to live off whatever they have. Of course focus on agriculture a lot more, but what about the deserted areas in the African continent? That's the biggest example, we are talking about a huge part of the world that has no farming area, what are they going to do? Hell they do not even have clean water let alone anything else.

This is why I believe that we should not be doing anything that would challenge the whole begging part on your end. We should help the nations that need our help as much as we can, they should do whatever they can too of course, but that doesn't mean we should stop.

It is responsibility of every country to help each other and I am not saying that we should not help each other but I want to say that a country should utilize his resources to feed his own nation because we cannot live on others resources.

May be at one time the neighbor country is good with us but if after some years neighbor country don't want to share resources then what will we do? There are desert area but not all area of a country is occupied with desert so the area which is fertile should take into use.

Helping each other is a good habit and it should be done but hope sometimes make a country hopeless because if one country takes resources from others then receiver will not do any hard work to develop own resources.

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[coupable]

Begging is a natural part of the world according to what you say. Because not every nation could have the same resources and some nations are just forced to live off whatever they have. Of course focus on agriculture a lot more, but what about the deserted areas in the African continent? That's the biggest example, we are talking about a huge part of the world that has no farming area, what are they going to do? Hell they do not even have clean water let alone anything else.

This is why I believe that we should not be doing anything that would challenge the whole begging part on your end. We should help the nations that need our help as much as we can, they should do whatever they can too of course, but that doesn't mean we should stop.

It is responsibility of every country to help each other and I am not saying that we should not help each other but I want to say that a country should utilize his resources to feed his own nation because we cannot live on others resources.

Helping each other is a good habit and it should be done but hope sometimes make a country hopeless because if one country takes resources from others then receiver will not do any hard work to develop own resources.

But this does not provide a clear position if it is permissible to use food supplies as a means of pressure during conflicts between countries. Today, Russia deployed more than 17 warships in the Black Sea off the Ukrainian coast and began targeting vital Ukrainian centers, including the ports responsible for storing and transporting grain supplies around the world. They say in proverbs that everything is permissible in love and war, but is the destruction of global food security also permissible? In the same context, is it possible to support the proposal to neutralize the Black Sea region and make it demilitarized?
I seriously believe that it is not easy to find satisfactory answers to all these questions.

[Ozero]

If you look at the current situation with food security globally, then the "grain" agreement made it possible for Russia to legalize piracy in the Black Sea. After all, Russia received the right and opportunity to release from the ports of Ukraine only those ships that it wants, in the order that it wants and with the checks that it wants. In addition, for the last three months before withdrawing from this agreement, Russia actually blocked the agreement, releasing about five ships a month from the ports of Ukraine and, under various pretexts, refused to check them.

The world community should strengthen sanctions against Russia in order for it to stop its military aggression against Ukraine, as well as send its warships to the Black Sea to ensure the established order in this region. Russia understands only strength, it considers any concessions and compromises a sign of weakness.

But since the international community reacts very weakly to terrorist attacks by the Russian Black Sea Fleet on the ports of Ukraine and its critical infrastructure, Ukraine itself is forced to pacify the aggressor.

So, tonight, Ukrainian surface drones attacked the Olenegorsky Miner large landing ship, which was in the port of Novorossiysk, that is, on the Russian mainland. Russian official sources, as usual, began to declare that the attack was successfully repelled, but the video of the drone attack itself and the state of the large landing ship that was being pulled in tow and which was falling on its side had already begun to circulate on the network. The ship received a large hole in a naval drone, which was stuffed with 450 kilograms of TNT.

It should also be noted that according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Russia has already lost 18 of its warships and boats, including the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the cruiser Moskva. After two holes from Ukrainian naval drones, they also tried to tow it, but it quickly fell on its side and now rests on the bottom of the Black Sea.

https://24tv.ua/ru/olenegorskij-gornjak-podbili-v-novorossijske-rossijane-zhalujutsja-o-potere-24-kanal_n2365938/amp

https://amp.politeka.net/news/411562-ukraina-poshla-v-ataku-v-chernom-more-vrag-neset-poteri-kren-kriticheskiy

[Marvell1]

The world community should strengthen sanctions against Russia in order for it to stop its military aggression against Ukraine, as well as send its warships to the Black Sea to ensure the established order in this region. Russia understands only strength, it considers any concessions and compromises a sign of weakness.

But since the international community reacts very weakly to terrorist attacks by the Russian Black Sea Fleet on the ports of Ukraine and its critical infrastructure, Ukraine itself is forced to pacify the aggressor.

Haven't the US and EU already exhausted their sanctions against Russia? Millions of sanctions have been put in place and what more could you want? But they seem to repeatedly fail to contain Russia because of their subjectivity. I don't support war, but why don't you think that the cause of the war is on the Ukrainian side? If they do not resolutely join Nato and do not listen to the instigation of others, nothing will happen. Just stop intending to join Nato, sit at the negotiating table, everything will stop, but there seems to be a larger force that does not want Ukraine to stop for their sake.

Moreover, the US and Nato are doing their best to help Ukraine but it seems that things are not going as they expected and you are starting to criticize the international community just because of the weakness of the EU and Ukraine?

[Ozero]

The world community should strengthen sanctions against Russia in order for it to stop its military aggression against Ukraine, as well as send its warships to the Black Sea to ensure the established order in this region. Russia understands only strength, it considers any concessions and compromises a sign of weakness.

But since the international community reacts very weakly to terrorist attacks by the Russian Black Sea Fleet on the ports of Ukraine and its critical infrastructure, Ukraine itself is forced to pacify the aggressor.

Haven't the US and EU already exhausted their sanctions against Russia? Millions of sanctions have been put in place and what more could you want? But they seem to repeatedly fail to contain Russia because of their subjectivity. I don't support war, but why don't you think that the cause of the war is on the Ukrainian side? If they do not resolutely join Nato and do not listen to the instigation of others, nothing will happen. Just stop intending to join Nato, sit at the negotiating table, everything will stop, but there seems to be a larger force that does not want Ukraine to stop for their sake.

Moreover, the US and Nato are doing their best to help Ukraine but it seems that things are not going as they expected and you are starting to criticize the international community just because of the weakness of the EU and Ukraine?

The United States, European countries and other states still have a lot of additional options regarding the application of sanctions against Russia in order to force it to adhere to the UN Charter. Regarding Ukraine's possible acceptance of Russia's demands that Ukraine not join NATO, this is only one of the many far-fetched reasons for a military invasion of Ukraine. The Putin regime wants Ukraine to cease to exist as a state, and Ukrainians did not consider themselves a nation. Therefore, for the presence of Ukrainian symbols in the occupied territories, Russians torture and kill Ukrainians.

But on the other hand: does your country, where you live, ask its neighboring states what to do and what unions to join? I am sure not, because it means that your state does not have sovereignty. So why are you pushing Ukraine to become dependent on Russia, which has now brought about 380,000 of its soldiers into Ukraine and is shelling and killing civilians every day?

For Ukrainians, there is no other way but to kill all the invaders who invaded its territory with weapons in their hands. Russia has already lost about a million people killed, wounded and missing in Ukraine. And no matter how many millions of Russian meat the Kremlin sends to Ukraine, the result will be the same.

[serveria.com]

The world community should strengthen sanctions against Russia in order for it to stop its military aggression against Ukraine, as well as send its warships to the Black Sea to ensure the established order in this region. Russia understands only strength, it considers any concessions and compromises a sign of weakness.

But since the international community reacts very weakly to terrorist attacks by the Russian Black Sea Fleet on the ports of Ukraine and its critical infrastructure, Ukraine itself is forced to pacify the aggressor.

Haven't the US and EU already exhausted their sanctions against Russia? Millions of sanctions have been put in place and what more could you want? But they seem to repeatedly fail to contain Russia because of their subjectivity. I don't support war, but why don't you think that the cause of the war is on the Ukrainian side? If they do not resolutely join Nato and do not listen to the instigation of others, nothing will happen. Just stop intending to join Nato, sit at the negotiating table, everything will stop, but there seems to be a larger force that does not want Ukraine to stop for their sake.

Moreover, the US and Nato are doing their best to help Ukraine but it seems that things are not going as they expected and you are starting to criticize the international community just because of the weakness of the EU and Ukraine?

The United States, European countries and other states still have a lot of additional options regarding the application of sanctions against Russia in order to force it to adhere to the UN Charter. Regarding Ukraine's possible acceptance of Russia's demands that Ukraine not join NATO, this is only one of the many far-fetched reasons for a military invasion of Ukraine. The Putin regime wants Ukraine to cease to exist as a state, and Ukrainians did not consider themselves a nation. Therefore, for the presence of Ukrainian symbols in the occupied territories, Russians torture and kill Ukrainians.

But on the other hand: does your country, where you live, ask its neighboring states what to do and what unions to join? I am sure not, because it means that your state does not have sovereignty. So why are you pushing Ukraine to become dependent on Russia, which has now brought about 380,000 of its soldiers into Ukraine and is shelling and killing civilians every day?

For Ukrainians, there is no other way but to kill all the invaders who invaded its territory with weapons in their hands. Russia has already lost about a million people killed, wounded and missing in Ukraine. And no matter how many millions of Russian meat the Kremlin sends to Ukraine, the result will be the same.

So what are these options? Could you come up with a list of a least 5 products or industries which can be sanctioned? I personally can't think of any.

Sovereignty? You must be kidding! Ukraine lost it's independence back in 2014 after the Maidan coup. Right now, it's being heavily subsidized by the west both financially and militarily. Around 40% of Ukraine's budget is foreign aid. Do you really think all these billions in aid are being given away for free? The US is in fact at war with Russia right now. Except for no Americans are dying, no bleeding-edge arms are being destroyed etc etc. It's called a proxy war.

Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely! 

I love these lying propagandist shills, they're so funny! 



 

[Ozero]

So what are these options? Could you come up with a list of a least 5 products or industries which can be sanctioned? I personally can't think of any.

Sovereignty? You must be kidding! Ukraine lost it's independence back in 2014 after the Maidan coup. Right now, it's being heavily subsidized by the west both financially and militarily. Around 40% of Ukraine's budget is foreign aid. Do you really think all these billions in aid are being given away for free? The US is in fact at war with Russia right now. Except for no Americans are dying, no bleeding-edge arms are being destroyed etc etc. It's called a proxy war.

Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely!  

I love these lying propagandist shills, they're so funny!  

I understand that when the opponents do not have enough reasoned facts, they turn to personal insults. Therefore, I will not comment on them. You should worry not about the future of Ukraine, but about the future of your Russia.

In addition, Russia should think about negotiations on its "oil" corridor. Yesterday's damage to the large landing ship "Olenegorsky miner" in the port of Novorossiysk and today's attack of marine drones on the sanctioned Russian tanker Sig near the Kerch Strait confirm this.

[serveria.com]

So what are these options? Could you come up with a list of a least 5 products or industries which can be sanctioned? I personally can't think of any.

Sovereignty? You must be kidding! Ukraine lost it's independence back in 2014 after the Maidan coup. Right now, it's being heavily subsidized by the west both financially and militarily. Around 40% of Ukraine's budget is foreign aid. Do you really think all these billions in aid are being given away for free? The US is in fact at war with Russia right now. Except for no Americans are dying, no bleeding-edge arms are being destroyed etc etc. It's called a proxy war.

Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely!  

I love these lying propagandist shills, they're so funny!  

I understand that when the opponents do not have enough reasoned facts, they turn to personal insults. Therefore, I will not comment on them. You should worry not about the future of Ukraine, but about the future of your Russia.

In addition, Russia should think about negotiations on its "oil" corridor. Yesterday's damage to the large landing ship "Olenegorsky miner" in the port of Novorossiysk and today's attack of marine drones on the sanctioned Russian tanker Sig near the Kerch Strait confirm this.

It's not a personal insult: if you can't provide facts to support your statements, provide fake or one-sided info it means you're a propagandist shill. For example, you claimed that Ukraine has wiped out the entire Russian army and it's pretty easy to fact-check this info. According to Wikipedia:

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (Russian: Boopyжённыe Cи́лы Poccи́йcкoй Фeдepáции, Vooružjonnyje Síly Rossíjskoj Federácii), commonly referred to as the Russian Armed Forces, are the military of Russia. In terms of active-duty personnel, they are the world's fifth-largest military force, with 1.15 million

So, making ridiculous statements like this only makes you look like a complete bozo and you're losing credibility in the eyes of people reading your posts.  

Next, you're bragging about hitting an old military cargo ship built in 1976! and a civilian vessel but Ukraine has much bigger issues to consider atm. Like losing 43k people and almost all armaments provided by the west in a few short weeks and not gaining anything really territory-wise in it's "counter-offensive".

I've mentioned this already and I'll do it again: I'm not Russian, I don't live in Russia and I don't support Russia. I don't give a damn about Russia and it's future. But I hate lies and will do anything to expose it.  

[DrBeer]

The world community should strengthen sanctions against Russia in order for it to stop its military aggression against Ukraine, as well as send its warships to the Black Sea to ensure the established order in this region. Russia understands only strength, it considers any concessions and compromises a sign of weakness.

But since the international community reacts very weakly to terrorist attacks by the Russian Black Sea Fleet on the ports of Ukraine and its critical infrastructure, Ukraine itself is forced to pacify the aggressor.

Haven't the US and EU already exhausted their sanctions against Russia? Millions of sanctions have been put in place and what more could you want? But they seem to repeatedly fail to contain Russia because of their subjectivity. I don't support war, but why don't you think that the cause of the war is on the Ukrainian side? If they do not resolutely join Nato and do not listen to the instigation of others, nothing will happen. Just stop intending to join Nato, sit at the negotiating table, everything will stop, but there seems to be a larger force that does not want Ukraine to stop for their sake.

Moreover, the US and Nato are doing their best to help Ukraine but it seems that things are not going as they expected and you are starting to criticize the international community just because of the weakness of the EU and Ukraine?

If you scrutinize the topic of sanctions, you'll be surprised - they :
- they are valid for literally 1 year
- no real "heavy sanctions" have been imposed yet. Now these sanctions can be described as aimed at limiting the supply of certain technologies, and partial reduction of foreign exchange earnings.

And as it turned out, they are already in effect and quite effective.
If we return to the grain terrorism that Russia has organized, their position is quite understandable - oil and gas revenues have already fallen by 50% due to the sanctions. The arms market is also lost, because the whole world is convinced that Russian arms are also fake! One of the next powerful channels for obtaining currency (and without it Russia will "burn" very quickly) is Grain. And what we are witnessing now is just an attempt of a very dirty game of Russia to secure a monopoly on grain supply to the world market. The first step is hysteria and the rupture of the grain deal. The second step is terrorist bombardment of southern Ukrainian cities, and the goal is to destroy the entire infrastructure responsible for the collection, storage, logistics and loading of grain. This is incidentally to the question of the voiced objectives of the "special military operation" - all official versions of the Kremlin, also fake. Terrorism, looting, destruction of stability on a global scale.
The results of the second step are actually monopolization of grain supply by the terrorist country Russia, with a sharp rise in its price, due to the "withdrawal" from the market of the largest supplier - Ukraine.....

[Ozero]

It's not a personal insult: if you can't provide facts to support your statements, provide fake or one-sided info it means you're a propagandist shill. For example, you claimed that Ukraine has wiped out the entire Russian army and it's pretty easy to fact-check this info. According to Wikipedia:

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (Russian: Boopyжённыe Cи́лы Poccи́йcкoй Фeдepáции, Vooružjonnyje Síly Rossíjskoj Federácii), commonly referred to as the Russian Armed Forces, are the military of Russia. In terms of active-duty personnel, they are the world's fifth-largest military force, with 1.15 million

So, making ridiculous statements like this only makes you look like a complete bozo and you're losing credibility in the eyes of people reading your posts.  

Next, you're bragging about hitting an old military cargo ship built in 1976! and a civilian vessel but Ukraine has much bigger issues to consider atm. Like losing 43k people and almost all armaments provided by the west in a few short weeks and not gaining anything really territory-wise in it's "counter-offensive".

I've mentioned this already and I'll do it again: I'm not Russian, I don't live in Russia and I don't support Russia. I don't give a damn about Russia and it's future. But I hate lies and will do anything to expose it.  

Earlier, I pointed out that Russia lost almost the entire invading army in Ukraine (and not the entire Russian army), that is, approximately 180 thousand people who invaded Ukraine on February 22, 2022 in armored vehicles and formed the backbone of the Russian regular army. This invasion group - eight Russian armies - has been fighting in Ukraine for almost a year and a half, and given that the units have already been replenished with recruits 6-8 times, only a few of those who initially entered Ukraine managed to survive.

According to the Russian telegram channel “General SVR”, irretrievable losses (that is, only those killed and missing on the Ukrainian front) as of July 3 amounted to 307,703 people. Of these, 233,573 are regular army personnel and 74,130 are from various PMCs. These figures were reported to Putin a month ago.
If we proceed from the fact that on July 3, the Armed Forces of Ukraine provided data on the killed 230,260 Russians, and today - 249,110, then this figure will be even higher. The ratio of killed to wounded is usually one to three. This is a common practice for counting casualties in war. If you multiply the number of irretrievable losses according to the Russian Defense Ministry by three, you get about a million more wounded Russians. Thus, the number of those killed, wounded and missing in the war in Ukraine is approximately 1.2 - 1.3 million. Therefore, speaking of a million Russian losses, I already underestimated a little.

An old military cargo ship, built in 1976, I presume, you mean the large landing ship "Olenegorsky miner" that was damaged yesterday at the port of Novorossiysk?
Indeed, it was built at that time and given its serious age, in 2016 it was sent to JSC "33 SRZ" in the city of Baltiysk for a major overhaul, and as it turned out later - for modernization. As the press service of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Federation reported, during the time it was in the repair dock, a significant part of the armament and equipment was modernized on the ship.
The displacement of the ship is 4080 tons, while the length of the BDK is 112.5 m, the width is 15 m and the draft is 3.7 m.
The ship is equipped with:
- two launchers PU MS-73 MLRS A-215 "Grad-M" caliber 122 mm with a range of fire up to 21 km.,
- two twin 57-mm guns AK-725 with remote guidance with a range of up to 13 kilometers;
- one AK-176 installation with a firing range of up to 12 kilometers;
- two AK-630M installations with a firing range of over 8 km;
- four launchers of the Strela-2 portable anti-aircraft missile system.
As you can see, this is a rather large ship with formidable weapons, although it turned out to be defenseless in front of the sea  ​​drone.
Sources:
https://flot.com/nowadays/strength/gornyak.htm

https://focus.ua/voennye-novosti/583598-bdk-olenegorskiy-gornyak-chto-izvestno-o-rossiyskom-korable-kotoryy-popal-pod-udar-v-novorossiyske

The Russian tanker SIG, which was attacked today near the Kerch Strait, is also not exactly a civilian vessel.  This is one of the largest Russian oil tankers, which is capable of carrying almost 5,000 tons of fuel.  In 2019, SIG was sanctioned by the United States for supplying aviation fuel to Syria for a group of Russian troops supporting the dictatorial regime of Bashar al-Assad.
At the same time, it should be taken into account that at the time of the attack, the SIG tanker was in the territorial waters of Ukraine.

[Marvell1]

Do you really think all these billions in aid are being given away for free? The US is in fact at war with Russia right now. Except for no Americans are dying, no bleeding-edge arms are being destroyed etc etc. It's called a proxy war.

Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely! 

I love these lying propagandist shills, they're so funny! 
 

I remember the President of the United States said that the United States would support Ukraine against Russia to the last Ukrainian. Yes, it's the Ukrainian people, not any Americans, LOL.

To be more precise, this is a war of two great powers, but unfortunately, Ukraine has become a pawn on the US chessboard and according to their arrangement. I know that the Ukrainian people are very angry and hostile to what Russia is doing. But if they chained and reevaluated everything, then who would benefit most in this war? it was he who started the war. They're giving aid, they're supplying weapons, that doesn't mean they're trying to help Ukraine, they just don't want the war to end soon so they can get more out of it.

[serveria.com]

It's not a personal insult: if you can't provide facts to support your statements, provide fake or one-sided info it means you're a propagandist shill. For example, you claimed that Ukraine has wiped out the entire Russian army and it's pretty easy to fact-check this info. According to Wikipedia:

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (Russian: Boopyжённыe Cи́лы Poccи́йcкoй Фeдepáции, Vooružjonnyje Síly Rossíjskoj Federácii), commonly referred to as the Russian Armed Forces, are the military of Russia. In terms of active-duty personnel, they are the world's fifth-largest military force, with 1.15 million

So, making ridiculous statements like this only makes you look like a complete bozo and you're losing credibility in the eyes of people reading your posts.  

Next, you're bragging about hitting an old military cargo ship built in 1976! and a civilian vessel but Ukraine has much bigger issues to consider atm. Like losing 43k people and almost all armaments provided by the west in a few short weeks and not gaining anything really territory-wise in it's "counter-offensive".

I've mentioned this already and I'll do it again: I'm not Russian, I don't live in Russia and I don't support Russia. I don't give a damn about Russia and it's future. But I hate lies and will do anything to expose it.  

Earlier, I pointed out that Russia lost almost the entire invading army in Ukraine (and not the entire Russian army), that is, approximately 180 thousand people who invaded Ukraine on February 22, 2022 in armored vehicles and formed the backbone of the Russian regular army. This invasion group - eight Russian armies - has been fighting in Ukraine for almost a year and a half, and given that the units have already been replenished with recruits 6-8 times, only a few of those who initially entered Ukraine managed to survive.

According to the Russian telegram channel “General SVR”, irretrievable losses (that is, only those killed and missing on the Ukrainian front) as of July 3 amounted to 307,703 people. Of these, 233,573 are regular army personnel and 74,130 are from various PMCs. These figures were reported to Putin a month ago.
If we proceed from the fact that on July 3, the Armed Forces of Ukraine provided data on the killed 230,260 Russians, and today - 249,110, then this figure will be even higher. The ratio of killed to wounded is usually one to three. This is a common practice for counting casualties in war. If you multiply the number of irretrievable losses according to the Russian Defense Ministry by three, you get about a million more wounded Russians. Thus, the number of those killed, wounded and missing in the war in Ukraine is approximately 1.2 - 1.3 million. Therefore, speaking of a million Russian losses, I already underestimated a little.

Look, you either have memory issues or you are retarded. Here's your previous post in this topic:



I tend to think it's the latter, because you're typing bullshit from safety of your home instead of protecting your Motherland from the trenches in Donbas.

An old military cargo ship, built in 1976, I presume, you mean the large landing ship "Olenegorsky miner" that was damaged yesterday at the port of Novorossiysk?
Indeed, it was built at that time and given its serious age, in 2016 it was sent to JSC "33 SRZ" in the city of Baltiysk for a major overhaul, and as it turned out later - for modernization. As the press service of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Federation reported, during the time it was in the repair dock, a significant part of the armament and equipment was modernized on the ship.
The displacement of the ship is 4080 tons, while the length of the BDK is 112.5 m, the width is 15 m and the draft is 3.7 m.
The ship is equipped with:
- two launchers PU MS-73 MLRS A-215 "Grad-M" caliber 122 mm with a range of fire up to 21 km.,
- two twin 57-mm guns AK-725 with remote guidance with a range of up to 13 kilometers;
- one AK-176 installation with a firing range of up to 12 kilometers;
- two AK-630M installations with a firing range of over 8 km;
- four launchers of the Strela-2 portable anti-aircraft missile system.
As you can see, this is a rather large ship with formidable weapons, although it turned out to be defenseless in front of the sea  ​​drone.
Sources:
https://flot.com/nowadays/strength/gornyak.htm

https://focus.ua/voennye-novosti/583598-bdk-olenegorskiy-gornyak-chto-izvestno-o-rossiyskom-korable-kotoryy-popal-pod-udar-v-novorossiyske

The Russian tanker SIG, which was attacked today near the Kerch Strait, is also not exactly a civilian vessel.  This is one of the largest Russian oil tankers, which is capable of carrying almost 5,000 tons of fuel.  In 2019, SIG was sanctioned by the United States for supplying aviation fuel to Syria for a group of Russian troops supporting the dictatorial regime of Bashar al-Assad.
At the same time, it should be taken into account that at the time of the attack, the SIG tanker was in the territorial waters of Ukraine.

Formidable weapons? Another lie! It's just a Navy version of Grad MLRS (designed in 1950s) and a couple of machine guns!  

[Ozero]

I remember the President of the United States said that the United States would support Ukraine against Russia to the last Ukrainian. Yes, it's the Ukrainian people, not any Americans, LOL.

To be more precise, this is a war of two great powers, but unfortunately, Ukraine has become a pawn on the US chessboard and according to their arrangement. I know that the Ukrainian people are very angry and hostile to what Russia is doing. But if they chained and reevaluated everything, then who would benefit most in this war? it was he who started the war. They're giving aid, they're supplying weapons, that doesn't mean they're trying to help Ukraine, they just don't want the war to end soon so they can get more out of it.

I was surprised to read your words that the President of the United States allegedly said that the United States would support Ukraine against Russia to the last Ukrainian. A logically sane politician, and even more so the president of the United States, could not afford such a statement. Therefore, I dug around the Internet, and found some statements about this, namely:

- Retired American diplomat Chas Freeman, who said that the United States would fight Russia "until the last Ukrainian", as well as the head of the occupation regime of Crimea Aksyonov. Thus, according to Russian protege Aksenov, the United States intends to fight the Russian Federation “to the last Ukrainian” and will sacrifice all of them.
The Russian Gazeta.ru wrote about this.
https://m.gazeta.ru/army/news/2022/03/28/17485021.shtml.

- former US Marine and geopolitical analyst Brian Berletic;
https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2023-07-16/Borba-do-poslednego-ukrainca-i

- as well as political scientist Douglas Bandow, former adviser to the 40th President of the United States;
https://tass.ru/opinions/14402543;

However, they expressed their personal opinions and did not refer to US President Biden or any other former US president. Moreover, their words are given only by Russian channels, so their coverage can be biased and one-sided.

Based on the text of your previous post on the same page, you are for Ukraine to comply with Russia's demands and peace be concluded. Do you know at what cost this will be achieved? Then I will say: some Ukrainians will be killed or tortured in numerous torture chambers, others will be forcibly resettled across the territory of Russia in the most depressed regions, the rest will be tried by very harsh methods to give up the idea that they are Ukrainians. Ukraine itself will cease to exist as a sovereign state. Russia has already included, in addition to the Ukrainian peninsula, Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions of Ukraine into the Russian Federation. But the vast majority of Ukrainians are against ceding any of their territories to Russia. The leadership of Ukraine in this case advises the politicians of other states to trade their territories with Russia, and not Ukraine.

However, if in the last resort one had to choose whose influence to fall under, then I, as a Ukrainian, would prefer the influence of the United States than Russia. But Ukraine will defend its territory with all its might and means. I hope not to the last Ukrainian.

[Argoo]

After Russia announced its withdrawal from the "grain agreement" on July 17, it began actively shelling Ukrainian Black Sea ports and trying to destroy port infrastructure and grain storage facilities, and announced the unsafe passage of any ships to Ukrainian ports. In response, Ukraine announced unsafe navigation in five Russian Black Sea ports, and also attacked the port of Novorossiysk with its surface drones, damaging the Russian large landing ship Olenegorsky Gornyak, and after some time the Russian tanker SIG, which was used to supply aviation fuel for Russian military aircraft in Syria. Russia was forced to move its fleet away from the reach of Ukrainian drones, and the attack on Novorossiysk created difficulties for oil supplies from Novorossiysk to other countries.

Now Ukraine is trying to find alternative ways to supply its grain to world markets, but it will most likely not be able to supply its grain in the same volumes. This will drive up the price of grain and create great hardship for poor African countries.

[DrBeer]

Do you really think all these billions in aid are being given away for free? The US is in fact at war with Russia right now. Except for no Americans are dying, no bleeding-edge arms are being destroyed etc etc. It's called a proxy war.

Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely! 

I love these lying propagandist shills, they're so funny! 
 

I remember the President of the United States said that the United States would support Ukraine against Russia to the last Ukrainian. Yes, it's the Ukrainian people, not any Americans, LOL.

To be more precise, this is a war of two great powers, but unfortunately, Ukraine has become a pawn on the US chessboard and according to their arrangement. I know that the Ukrainian people are very angry and hostile to what Russia is doing. But if they chained and reevaluated everything, then who would benefit most in this war? it was he who started the war. They're giving aid, they're supplying weapons, that doesn't mean they're trying to help Ukraine, they just don't want the war to end soon so they can get more out of it.

What a cool approach - invent something and pass it off as a "fact", and then proceed from this "fact" as an axiom and build other "facts" on it.

1. Biden did not say that. These were the words of some dubious individuals, and moreover, these were their personal opinions, but not those of the President of the USA.
2. And tell me - do you really think that the attack of Russia on Ukraine in 2014 under the slogan "to protect the Russian-speaking population" (it turns out including me, which I certainly did not ask for), is "a war between two great powers, but unfortunately Ukraine became a pawn on the chessboard of the United States and by their agreement"? Are you serious ? Well let me dialog like a normal person - please post your arguments and facts here, I prove it

Well, on topic. Tell me - and food terrorism in Russia - is this your salvation of whom? Well, in your reality? Or, for example, attacks on residential areas and civilian objects?

PS I warn you right away - I live in Kyiv, from March 2022 in the Territorial Defense, until December 2022. I saw a lot - Kyiv, Brovary, Irpen, .... So I don’t need to tell fairy tales.

[Argoo]

Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely! 
 

According to the data of the Russian telegram channel "General SVR", which has access to information from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, on August 27, Putin was informed about the irretrievable losses of Russia in the war with Ukraine, namely: 270,079 Russian servicemen and over 76,000 various private military companies, among which is the most famous PMC "Wagner". That is, there are more than 346,000 Russians killed and missing in Ukraine who invaded Ukraine with weapons in their hands. Usually the ratio of killed to wounded is one to three. We multiply 346,000 by three and get the approximate number of wounded Russians in Ukraine. We add up the dead and wounded and we get a figure slightly exceeding a million ...

It is also possible that there are slightly fewer wounded Russians in this war due to the fact that medical care at the forefront of the Russians is very poorly organized, some of the wounded are generally left to die on the battlefield. The bodies are also not taken away so that their relatives do not receive compensation and they are listed as missing. Recently, a Ukrainian drone recorded Russians finishing off their wounded and then dumping them into a pit, dousing them with fuel and setting them on fire. More or less exact numbers of Russian losses in Ukraine will be known after the war and made public by another, not Putin's, government.

[serveria.com]

Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely! 
 

According to the data of the Russian telegram channel "General SVR", which has access to information from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, on August 27, Putin was informed about the irretrievable losses of Russia in the war with Ukraine, namely: 270,079 Russian servicemen and over 76,000 various private military companies, among which is the most famous PMC "Wagner". That is, there are more than 346,000 Russians killed and missing in Ukraine who invaded Ukraine with weapons in their hands. Usually the ratio of killed to wounded is one to three. We multiply 346,000 by three and get the approximate number of wounded Russians in Ukraine. We add up the dead and wounded and we get a figure slightly exceeding a million ...

It is also possible that there are slightly fewer wounded Russians in this war due to the fact that medical care at the forefront of the Russians is very poorly organized, some of the wounded are generally left to die on the battlefield. The bodies are also not taken away so that their relatives do not receive compensation and they are listed as missing. Recently, a Ukrainian drone recorded Russians finishing off their wounded and then dumping them into a pit, dousing them with fuel and setting them on fire. More or less exact numbers of Russian losses in Ukraine will be known after the war and made public by another, not Putin's, government.

Haha you forgot to mention one fact: General SVR telegram channel is a well-known news outlet run by CIA, SSU or other "three letter agencies". It has no connection to Russia apart from that it's in Russian language.  

Law enforcement agencies sent a request to Roskomnadzor, seeking to block the popular political Telegram channel General SVR, which regularly publishes original conspiracy materials about representatives of the Russian political elite. The blocking desired by the security forces is connected with a criminal case on extremism, in which political scientist Valery Solovy was detained and interrogated this week. This is reported by the website of the REN TV channel, which, among other things, contains photographs from a search in the apartment of a former professor at MGIMO.

The Investigative Committee considers Nightingale to be involved in the content appearing on the General SVR Telegram channel. In turn, representatives of the latter previously denied the version according to which Nightingale writes some texts for the channel, which currently has more than 220 thousand subscribers. According to Russian security officials, the channel incites hatred against the Russian authorities and may be under the control of Ukrainian or Western intelligence agencies.

Source: https://www.zaks.ru/new/archive/view/222896

Just to make things clear, earlier this channel published such news as:

- COVID19 was created by Russian scientists in Central African Republic
- President Putin is dead and Russia is being run by a group of "special service" officers and a person appearing in public is Putin's lookalike
- Putin is having health issues and is about to die (first published years ago)  
-  Russia is about to split into multiple independent states (very popular narrative in Western media atm)

 

[Argoo]

Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely! 
 

According to the data of the Russian telegram channel "General SVR", which has access to information from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, on August 27, Putin was informed about the irretrievable losses of Russia in the war with Ukraine, namely: 270,079 Russian servicemen and over 76,000 various private military companies, among which is the most famous PMC "Wagner". That is, there are more than 346,000 Russians killed and missing in Ukraine who invaded Ukraine with weapons in their hands. Usually the ratio of killed to wounded is one to three. We multiply 346,000 by three and get the approximate number of wounded Russians in Ukraine. We add up the dead and wounded and we get a figure slightly exceeding a million ...

It is also possible that there are slightly fewer wounded Russians in this war due to the fact that medical care at the forefront of the Russians is very poorly organized, some of the wounded are generally left to die on the battlefield. The bodies are also not taken away so that their relatives do not receive compensation and they are listed as missing. Recently, a Ukrainian drone recorded Russians finishing off their wounded and then dumping them into a pit, dousing them with fuel and setting them on fire. More or less exact numbers of Russian losses in Ukraine will be known after the war and made public by another, not Putin's, government.

Haha you forgot to mention one fact: General SVR telegram channel is a well-known news outlet run by CIA, SSU or other "three letter agencies". It has no connection to Russia apart from that it's in Russian language.  

Law enforcement agencies sent a request to Roskomnadzor, seeking to block the popular political Telegram channel General SVR, which regularly publishes original conspiracy materials about representatives of the Russian political elite. The blocking desired by the security forces is connected with a criminal case on extremism, in which political scientist Valery Solovy was detained and interrogated this week. This is reported by the website of the REN TV channel, which, among other things, contains photographs from a search in the apartment of a former professor at MGIMO.

The Investigative Committee considers Nightingale to be involved in the content appearing on the General SVR Telegram channel. In turn, representatives of the latter previously denied the version according to which Nightingale writes some texts for the channel, which currently has more than 220 thousand subscribers. According to Russian security officials, the channel incites hatred against the Russian authorities and may be under the control of Ukrainian or Western intelligence agencies.

Source: https://www.zaks.ru/new/archive/view/222896

Just to make things clear, earlier this channel published such news as:

- COVID19 was created by Russian scientists in Central African Republic
- President Putin is dead and Russia is being run by a group of "special service" officers and a person appearing in public is Putin's lookalike
- Putin is having health issues and is about to die (first published years ago)  
-  Russia is about to split into multiple independent states (very popular narrative in Western media atm)

 

In Russia, any truth about the war in Ukraine that is inconvenient to the authorities is considered to be discrediting the armed forces and is punishable by imprisonment. Therefore, I am not surprised that political persecution began against the telegram channel "General SVR" (full name: former general of the foreign intelligence service). But the quoted phrase "According to the Russian security forces, the channel incites hatred towards the Russian authorities and may be under the control of Ukrainian or Western intelligence services," as we see, is only an assumption, moreover, a desirable assumption, how Russia's security forces want to see it.

Now let's go through the information allegedly written earlier by this telegram channel.
1. That COVID19 was created by Russian scientists in the Central African Republic. Do you have a refutation of this statement or is there a reliably established involvement in the creation of the coronavirus of other countries or their companies?

2. That President Putin is dead and Russia is run by a group of "special services" officers and the person who appears in public looks like Putin. So more than once evidence has been cited that Putin uses at least five of his doubles, who underwent plastic surgery. Probably, only those who do not want to hear it did not know about it. If Putin has doubles, no one can say for sure whether the real Putin is alive or dead.

3. That Putin has health problems and will die soon (first published many years ago). And this information is correct, everyone has long seen what big problems Putin has with his health. Knowledgeable people say that an ordinary person would have died long ago, but Putin is helped by shamans who attract otherworldly dark forces. It only pushes back the time of Putin's death.

4. That Russia is about to split into several independent states (a very popular story in the Western media). So from February 16 to February 28, 2023, online referendums for self-determination of the republics of the Russian Federation have already been held. Here you can even see a map of the alleged collapse of the Russian Federation.
https://news.obozrevatel.com/russia/referendum-za-nezavisimost-novyie-regionyi-rossii-trebuyut-otdeleniya.htm
The central government is weakening due to the war in Ukraine, and the further separation of the peoples oppressed by Russia is a completely natural process. At the same time, there is not even the Republic of Ichkeria (Chechnya) and Ingushetia, which can separate even faster.

[serveria.com]

Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely! 
 

According to the data of the Russian telegram channel "General SVR", which has access to information from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, on August 27, Putin was informed about the irretrievable losses of Russia in the war with Ukraine, namely: 270,079 Russian servicemen and over 76,000 various private military companies, among which is the most famous PMC "Wagner". That is, there are more than 346,000 Russians killed and missing in Ukraine who invaded Ukraine with weapons in their hands. Usually the ratio of killed to wounded is one to three. We multiply 346,000 by three and get the approximate number of wounded Russians in Ukraine. We add up the dead and wounded and we get a figure slightly exceeding a million ...

It is also possible that there are slightly fewer wounded Russians in this war due to the fact that medical care at the forefront of the Russians is very poorly organized, some of the wounded are generally left to die on the battlefield. The bodies are also not taken away so that their relatives do not receive compensation and they are listed as missing. Recently, a Ukrainian drone recorded Russians finishing off their wounded and then dumping them into a pit, dousing them with fuel and setting them on fire. More or less exact numbers of Russian losses in Ukraine will be known after the war and made public by another, not Putin's, government.

Haha you forgot to mention one fact: General SVR telegram channel is a well-known news outlet run by CIA, SSU or other "three letter agencies". It has no connection to Russia apart from that it's in Russian language.  

Law enforcement agencies sent a request to Roskomnadzor, seeking to block the popular political Telegram channel General SVR, which regularly publishes original conspiracy materials about representatives of the Russian political elite. The blocking desired by the security forces is connected with a criminal case on extremism, in which political scientist Valery Solovy was detained and interrogated this week. This is reported by the website of the REN TV channel, which, among other things, contains photographs from a search in the apartment of a former professor at MGIMO.

The Investigative Committee considers Nightingale to be involved in the content appearing on the General SVR Telegram channel. In turn, representatives of the latter previously denied the version according to which Nightingale writes some texts for the channel, which currently has more than 220 thousand subscribers. According to Russian security officials, the channel incites hatred against the Russian authorities and may be under the control of Ukrainian or Western intelligence agencies.

Source: https://www.zaks.ru/new/archive/view/222896

Just to make things clear, earlier this channel published such news as:

- COVID19 was created by Russian scientists in Central African Republic
- President Putin is dead and Russia is being run by a group of "special service" officers and a person appearing in public is Putin's lookalike
- Putin is having health issues and is about to die (first published years ago)  
-  Russia is about to split into multiple independent states (very popular narrative in Western media atm)

 

In Russia, any truth about the war in Ukraine that is inconvenient to the authorities is considered to be discrediting the armed forces and is punishable by imprisonment. Therefore, I am not surprised that political persecution began against the telegram channel "General SVR" (full name: former general of the foreign intelligence service). But the quoted phrase "According to the Russian security forces, the channel incites hatred towards the Russian authorities and may be under the control of Ukrainian or Western intelligence services," as we see, is only an assumption, moreover, a desirable assumption, how Russia's security forces want to see it.

But doesn't the same apply to Ukraine? Can a person freely share his alternative political views in Ukraine? I doubt it. Good example is a recent ban for foreign journalists to visit the frontlines (they were reporting huge losses of AFU).

Now let's go through the information allegedly written earlier by this telegram channel.
1. That COVID19 was created by Russian scientists in the Central African Republic. Do you have a refutation of this statement or is there a reliably established involvement in the creation of the coronavirus of other countries or their companies?

Ohh please don't start with these conspiracy theories... nobody knows how COVID19 was created or if it was created artificially at all. So it's pretty stupid to claim how exactly it was created. Why should I refute obvious nonsense?

2. That President Putin is dead and Russia is run by a group of "special services" officers and the person who appears in public looks like Putin. So more than once evidence has been cited that Putin uses at least five of his doubles, who underwent plastic surgery. Probably, only those who do not want to hear it did not know about it. If Putin has doubles, no one can say for sure whether the real Putin is alive or dead.

3. That Putin has health problems and will die soon (first published many years ago). And this information is correct, everyone has long seen what big problems Putin has with his health. Knowledgeable people say that an ordinary person would have died long ago, but Putin is helped by shamans who attract otherworldly dark forces. It only pushes back the time of Putin's death.

4. That Russia is about to split into several independent states (a very popular story in the Western media). So from February 16 to February 28, 2023, online referendums for self-determination of the republics of the Russian Federation have already been held. Here you can even see a map of the alleged collapse of the Russian Federation.
https://news.obozrevatel.com/russia/referendum-za-nezavisimost-novyie-regionyi-rossii-trebuyut-otdeleniya.htm
The central government is weakening due to the war in Ukraine, and the further separation of the peoples oppressed by Russia is a completely natural process. At the same time, there is not even the Republic of Ichkeria (Chechnya) and Ingushetia, which can separate even faster.

You sure have sources to support your claims?  I guess not. I've heard that in Russia they spread similar nonsense about Ukraine, like pretty much every second Ukrainian is LGBT, that your President is a junkie etc etc. I'm not mentioning this BS here as it's obvious nonsense. Why are you posting this propaganda nonsense here then? You think the readers of this thread are retarded or what? 

[Argoo]

You sure have sources to support your claims?  I guess not. I've heard that in Russia they spread similar nonsense about Ukraine, like pretty much every second Ukrainian is LGBT, that your President is a junkie etc etc. I'm not mentioning this BS here as it's obvious nonsense. Why are you posting this propaganda nonsense here then? You think the readers of this thread are retarded or what? 

I responded roughly with the same information that you wrote. But the answers to almost all these questions will become obvious in a year or two.

But now I would like to hear your opinion on whether the Armed Forces of Ukraine will reach the Sea of Azov during the autumn months, cutting off the land corridor created by Russia through the occupied territories of Ukraine to Crimea, and whether during this time Crimea will become a trap for the Russian army, turning into an island, when Will the Kerch Bridge be finally destroyed? Well, at the same time, how will they react to this in Russia, because the fact that the front in southern Ukraine is now cracking in many places is hiding from the inhabitants of Russia and this will be a real shock for them?