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August 24, 2023, 10:38:55 PM
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Well of course, on the other hand casinos must also have competition with other competitors in running their business. As we can see lately, there are a lot of casinos that do promotions on various social media and they do it none other than just to attract more customers who then have the opportunity to be interested. But well on the other hand there are also some advantages and disadvantages of each casino itself, if they make it difficult to win or reduce the percentage of winnings for gamblers then it is very likely that gamblers will not come back to play there, and also like what is always a problem now is that they make it difficult for us in terms of KYC which is always an obstacle every time you want to make a withdrawal.
So indeed in the current conditions we must be more careful in choosing casinos, especially those that are online, because the possibility of things that are not wanted can happen there along with the many difficulties in everything in it.
Casinos do a lot of promotions to attract more users who will gamble at their place, which means that is income that casinos can get. If gamblers are lucky enough to win from that promotion, they have to pass the wagering requirements, which will depend on every promotion made by the casino. And if any gambler can win with small bets, it will be his luck because only a few gamblers can win big money with only small bets.

Indeed, this KYC issue should concern every gambler, especially those who often win, because the casino will implement or ask the winner to do KYC. The casino may also ask gamblers with small stakes to do KYC so they can continue the withdrawal process. For this reason, we must ensure that when we do KYC, we must be able to be at the right casino, which will not make it difficult for us to verify our account so that it doesn't take long to see that it is already verified.
In this case also a concern is where users who are not willing to do KYC even though the casino has a very good reputation, and usually these users will prefer to play at casinos that do not apply KYC to their users.
But now some casinos that previously did not enforce their KYC regulations are also gradually starting to do so, from limits on the amount that can be withdrawn for example. And in my opinion, now casinos that still do not enforce KYC are likely to find it easier to attract users. And I'm sure you already know why.

The casinos become very annoying when there are these kinds of demands, I make them because it doesn't matter much to me, and at this point they ask for the kyc for everything, what does bother me is that with the kyc they start to annoy, that they change the documents by new ones, and those people who ask for the new documents, sometimes we also have another job, and that implies getting up early and doing the management, or making appointments , or doing whatever it is with that, so I agree with KYC but I don't Be so demanding, it's the only thing and it's easy to do, I've verified my kyc in a few casinos and it's fast, but some sites are very annoying with it, and that's what should be avoided.




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August 24, 2023, 10:59:11 PM
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anyone deposited very less amount and luckily won a big jackpot like a 100x or 500x or 1000x of base bet and withdrawn without kyc or without facing any problem from the platform?

if yes, how much was that amount? and what was the casino?

i seen many people complaining about they don't give big wins easily or just don't give by making unanswerable queries like very hard KYC, freezing accounts, etc. this problem is very common with trusted casino's also/

do anyone withdrawn successfully the winning amount and if yes what was the process, it was seamless or you need to pass a hard kyc?
It seems that I have responded to this thread or I have seen a related of this kind before, because when looking at this, many people gamble seriously experienced different kinds of gambling the way I'm seeing it, so I believe many people have noticed or be aware of different challenging of withdrawal and deposit in any gambling websites, so we're I'm concerned is the aspect of withdrawal, getting withdrawal in gambling websites you can have issues at any point in time.

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August 25, 2023, 12:25:35 PM
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In this case also a concern is where users who are not willing to do KYC even though the casino has a very good reputation, and usually these users will prefer to play at casinos that do not apply KYC to their users.
But now some casinos that previously did not enforce their KYC regulations are also gradually starting to do so, from limits on the amount that can be withdrawn for example. And in my opinion, now casinos that still do not enforce KYC are likely to find it easier to attract users. And I'm sure you already know why.

The casinos become very annoying when there are these kinds of demands, I make them because it doesn't matter much to me, and at this point they ask for the kyc for everything, what does bother me is that with the kyc they start to annoy, that they change the documents by new ones, and those people who ask for the new documents, sometimes we also have another job, and that implies getting up early and doing the management, or making appointments , or doing whatever it is with that, so I agree with KYC but I don't Be so demanding, it's the only thing and it's easy to do, I've verified my kyc in a few casinos and it's fast, but some sites are very annoying with it, and that's what should be avoided.

I know how you feel, I'm also a pretty relaxed person about this rule, but on a few occasions I've felt the same way, annoyed when I've had to wait longer to verify my account.
But as users we also have to adjust to things like this, because sometimes when we play on certain sites we are comfortable and when they apply KYC rules some people may be lazy to find a new site that does not do KYC, yes that's because of the convenience. So as users we must also be able to understand the new policies implemented by the site.

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August 25, 2023, 03:33:30 PM
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Verification by the KYC procedure in case of a win, of course, can always be requested by the casino, simply because now in almost all countries where the population has a cryptocurrency and in this country there are points for exchanging cryptocurrencies for local currencies or for dollars or euros, all these measures have become considered necessary  due to tax returns.  And it is understandable that the fiscal authorities of such countries cannot in any way allow people who win in a casino to receive income that is not taxed.  It is clear that the legislation in such countries will be aimed at such forms of control of the population's income.  Unfortunately, when all payments are made in cryptocurrencies, all these KYC checks disavow one of the main features of cryptocurrencies, which were originally conceived as a means of payment and the anonymity of such payments. 
But over the past 14 years since the invention of Satoshi bitcoin, somehow all cryptocurrency lovers only grumble from time to time, but seem to increasingly agree that KYC is a forced unpleasant procedure, but it is inevitable.
That's because local regulators also want to get income from gamblers, especially gamblers who can win a lot, so regulators can also provide large taxes as state income. They reject one of crypto's main features but only want users to pay taxes on their winnings, so they also ask casinos to enforce KYC on their members. We as crypto users, also can't do anything because we live in a country that is constantly changing its laws, especially laws, to monitor crypto issues so that they can get news about crypto and use it for their benefit under the pretext of just for the benefit of the state. And maybe in the future, KYC for crypto users will become an unavoidable obligation because all crypto users must do KYC, especially when they get money sent into their bank account.

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In this case also a concern is where users who are not willing to do KYC even though the casino has a very good reputation, and usually these users will prefer to play at casinos that do not apply KYC to their users.
But now some casinos that previously did not enforce their KYC regulations are also gradually starting to do so, from limits on the amount that can be withdrawn for example. And in my opinion, now casinos that still do not enforce KYC are likely to find it easier to attract users. And I'm sure you already know why.
Perhaps it's because users are worried that their data will be misused by the casino even though the casino is a trusted casino. After all, there is no guarantee that their data can be safe. They feel it's better to look for casinos that don't apply KYC to their users, and even though it's difficult, they will keep looking until they find one.

I prefer the casino to have a limit on the amount of withdrawal so those who don't like KYC can avoid it by not withdrawing more than the limit so they don't have to do KYC. Hopefully, casinos can be like that in the future so we, as ordinary gamblers, don't need to do KYC, especially we only play gambling just to get entertainment.
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August 25, 2023, 03:58:51 PM
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I won x100 on a casino named directbet (it's no more online). It also had sportsbetting but it never required to create an account there, for every bet it allocated a new btc address and when won, they sent the winnings directly to the address specified by us, so they never asked for kyc.
I also won 1000x on a $1 bet at another casino and they let me withdraw it smoothly without any need of kyc.
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August 25, 2023, 04:04:46 PM
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Perhaps it's because users are worried that their data will be misused by the casino even though the casino is a trusted casino. After all, there is no guarantee that their data can be safe. They feel it's better to look for casinos that don't apply KYC to their users, and even though it's difficult, they will keep looking until they find one.


Not just the fear of misuse of individual data is the issue but the feeling that cryptocurrency related transactions should be discreet and all that pertains to it, so to request knowing your customer or who has registered with you is originally contravening the privacy that encrypted digital currency encourage. Many users who don't freely give out their identity have such views but when they have no choice and have need to withdraw their winnings , they have to do it.

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August 25, 2023, 04:21:49 PM
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anyone deposited very less amount and luckily won a big jackpot like a 100x or 500x or 1000x of base bet and withdrawn without kyc or without facing any problem from the platform?

For online gambling sites that use crypto and don't require kyc, I haven't won up to 1000 dollars, most I only withdraw around $100 or $200. And so far I haven't had any problems. Either someone registers, then deposits with small money then gets a big win. Maybe the casino will do a kyc request or freeze the balance, from some cases I've read on forums. Some people are accused of cheating when they win big, I don't know if this is true or not. Usually I will get a big win after losing the previous deposit

For local gambling sites that use fiat currency, I once withdrew up to $1000. but they require each new registration to fill out kyc, i never had serious problems with withdrawals, nor have i ever cheated at gambling

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August 25, 2023, 04:27:28 PM
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In this case also a concern is where users who are not willing to do KYC even though the casino has a very good reputation, and usually these users will prefer to play at casinos that do not apply KYC to their users.
But now some casinos that previously did not enforce their KYC regulations are also gradually starting to do so, from limits on the amount that can be withdrawn for example. And in my opinion, now casinos that still do not enforce KYC are likely to find it easier to attract users. And I'm sure you already know why.
Perhaps it's because users are worried that their data will be misused by the casino even though the casino is a trusted casino. After all, there is no guarantee that their data can be safe. They feel it's better to look for casinos that don't apply KYC to their users, and even though it's difficult, they will keep looking until they find one.

I prefer the casino to have a limit on the amount of withdrawal so those who don't like KYC can avoid it by not withdrawing more than the limit so they don't have to do KYC. Hopefully, casinos can be like that in the future so we, as ordinary gamblers, don't need to do KYC, especially we only play gambling just to get entertainment.
And that seems to be the only reason why some people disagree with this KYC rule, because what they use to verify their account is very important personal data, and even we all know that it is a privacy.
That distrust makes them reluctant to do it, and it's very reasonable because as you said that we don't know whether our data is safe after being in their hands or not.

Well that becomes one of the solutions that can be applied, because with a limit on the amount of withdrawal they can avoid it by withdrawing more balances smaller than the rules that require them to do KYC.

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August 25, 2023, 04:38:58 PM
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The casinos become very annoying when there are these kinds of demands, I make them because it doesn't matter much to me, and at this point they ask for the kyc for everything, what does bother me is that with the kyc they start to annoy, that they change the documents by new ones, and those people who ask for the new documents, sometimes we also have another job, and that implies getting up early and doing the management, or making appointments , or doing whatever it is with that, so I agree with KYC but I don't Be so demanding, it's the only thing and it's easy to do, I've verified my kyc in a few casinos and it's fast, but some sites are very annoying with it, and that's what should be avoided.




I am not against casinos asking for KYC when their already mentioend it in their terms and condition that they are kyc compliance and being able to outline all the requirements and their operational requirements for the player, so anytime they ask for kyc the gambler will already know what exactly the demands will be, and anything outside what has already been stated in the T&C is against the gamblers right and he can accuse them for that, so any casino who want to make amend to the terms of service will first of all notify the gamblers about it before their implement it but some casino who already have a well planned out scam game they will go ahead to implement new rules when their is an ongoing case between them and the gambler and this rules will be to aid their criminal act to steal gamblers money.

What i have always been saying is that, gamblers should, first of all, pass through KYC before making deposits even if the casino allows deposits and withdrawal without KYC but have KYC in the terms of service, because is better and easier to pass through KYC when it you have nothing on the account than to do so when there is a problem already.
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August 26, 2023, 12:33:42 PM
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Not just the fear of misuse of individual data is the issue but the feeling that cryptocurrency related transactions should be discreet and all that pertains to it, so to request knowing your customer or who has registered with you is originally contravening the privacy that encrypted digital currency encourage. Many users who don't freely give out their identity have such views but when they have no choice and have need to withdraw their winnings , they have to do it.
And yes, this KYC problem will be like a problem that will never be solved. Casinos only carry out the rules the regulators give, while users just want to be free to play gambling and don't feel the need to do KYC. However, the regulators feel the need to keep an eye on crypto users because they may have identified some crypto users who are using crypto for illegal activities. Hence, the regulators want to control every business. And finally, the regulators put pressure on businesses to ask their users to do KYC, but many crypto users refuse KYC. But we can see that some casinos still give crypto users the freedom not to do KYC as long as they want to follow the rules of the casino, namely, not using big money.

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And that seems to be the only reason why some people disagree with this KYC rule, because what they use to verify their account is very important personal data, and even we all know that it is a privacy.
That distrust makes them reluctant to do it, and it's very reasonable because as you said that we don't know whether our data is safe after being in their hands or not.

Well that becomes one of the solutions that can be applied, because with a limit on the amount of withdrawal they can avoid it by withdrawing more balances smaller than the rules that require them to do KYC.
And yes, many people still want to keep their privacy private from many people, including casinos, who will ask them to do KYC. They still don't want to do KYC, especially when they hear that hacking is happening. But that's the reality because if casinos or exchanges can provide security, users may want to do KYC.

I think setting limits on the amount of withdrawals and deposits can be one solution where gamblers must know themselves by not depositing and withdrawing too large funds so that the casino doesn't suspect them and will ask them to do KYC. It is also okay for gamblers to make small deposits and withdrawals as it does not take away from the fun they get from gambling.
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August 26, 2023, 06:54:28 PM
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And that seems to be the only reason why some people disagree with this KYC rule, because what they use to verify their account is very important personal data, and even we all know that it is a privacy.
That distrust makes them reluctant to do it, and it's very reasonable because as you said that we don't know whether our data is safe after being in their hands or not.

Well that becomes one of the solutions that can be applied, because with a limit on the amount of withdrawal they can avoid it by withdrawing more balances smaller than the rules that require them to do KYC.
And yes, many people still want to keep their privacy private from many people, including casinos, who will ask them to do KYC. They still don't want to do KYC, especially when they hear that hacking is happening. But that's the reality because if casinos or exchanges can provide security, users may want to do KYC.

I think setting limits on the amount of withdrawals and deposits can be one solution where gamblers must know themselves by not depositing and withdrawing too large funds so that the casino doesn't suspect them and will ask them to do KYC. It is also okay for gamblers to make small deposits and withdrawals as it does not take away from the fun they get from gambling.
It is inevitable that everything will have its positive and negative sides, and this KYC rule is no exception. The positive side is that we become safer and casinos definitely do that for the account security of each user, and the negative side is that we may have to give our personal data to them.

It's a choice for us, whether we want to do it or not. Because the casino certainly does not force or in other words if we want to do KYC then we can play there, and if we are not willing to do it then we cannot play there (if the KYC rules are very strict).

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August 27, 2023, 10:15:17 AM
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It is inevitable that everything will have its positive and negative sides, and this KYC rule is no exception. The positive side is that we become safer and casinos definitely do that for the account security of each user, and the negative side is that we may have to give our personal data to them.

It's a choice for us, whether we want to do it or not. Because the casino certainly does not force or in other words if we want to do KYC then we can play there, and if we are not willing to do it then we cannot play there (if the KYC rules are very strict).
But we also have to know that there is no really safe account security, especially on the internet. There will be problems related to security on every site, and we can only hope that casinos can continue to protect their consumer data properly and that no hacks occur in their casinos. And when we play gambling with small bets and can win big wins, we have to be prepared for the casino's request for us to do KYC as part of their supervision of its members.

And it is true that it is our choice to do KYC or we will look for other casinos that will not strictly enforce KYC. But gamblers will prefer to do KYC at the casino because they must be thinking about getting that big winning money, and it's okay to do KYC. If that's the case, it means that our choice is to do KYC even though we don't like doing it. But because big money is waiting for us, we want to do KYC at the casino.
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August 27, 2023, 04:20:40 PM
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anyone deposited very less amount and luckily won a big jackpot like a 100x or 500x or 1000x of base bet and withdrawn without kyc or without facing any problem from the platform?

if yes, how much was that amount? and what was the casino?

i seen many people complaining about they don't give big wins easily or just don't give by making unanswerable queries like very hard KYC, freezing accounts, etc. this problem is very common with trusted casino's also/

do anyone withdrawn successfully the winning amount and if yes what was the process, it was seamless or you need to pass a hard kyc?
It seems that I have responded to this thread or I have seen a related of this kind before, because when looking at this, many people gamble seriously experienced different kinds of gambling the way I'm seeing it, so I believe many people have noticed or be aware of different challenging of withdrawal and deposit in any gambling websites, so we're I'm concerned is the aspect of withdrawal, getting withdrawal in gambling websites you can have issues at any point in time.
The problems with deposits and withdrawals and KYC verification occur when you are gambling at a platform that isn't trusted and reputable, and that is the reason why it's never recommended to use platforms that are new and aren't trusted among the community of gamblers, always make sure that you do your research before you make a deposit at a certain casino if it's new, ask the community if they have already used it and what is their experience.

So, it is basically a gambler's responsibility to make sure that they are gambling with a trusted and reputable platform that has been around for quite some time and they don't make deliberate issues regarding deposits and withdrawals only so that they don't pay the gamblers what they've won.

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August 27, 2023, 04:55:06 PM
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It is inevitable that everything will have its positive and negative sides, and this KYC rule is no exception. The positive side is that we become safer and casinos definitely do that for the account security of each user, and the negative side is that we may have to give our personal data to them.

It's a choice for us, whether we want to do it or not. Because the casino certainly does not force or in other words if we want to do KYC then we can play there, and if we are not willing to do it then we cannot play there (if the KYC rules are very strict).
If you say KYC for security, it's not really about our security, but casino security so that you can emphasize fraud or criminal acts such as money laundering, and on the negative side, we provide personal data, you don't need to worry because every trusted casino that already has a good reputation will always prioritize privacy or protect the personal data that we provide so that it is not leaked or even stolen by other parties.

Casinos never force their customers to provide KYC, but when all casinos implement KYC it seems that every gambler will also accept it, especially when gamblers often use large amounts of money, of course, every provision that can provide comfortable advice will always be carried out.

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August 27, 2023, 05:14:25 PM
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anyone deposited very less amount and luckily won a big jackpot like a 100x or 500x or 1000x of base bet and withdrawn without kyc or without facing any problem from the platform?

if yes, how much was that amount? and what was the casino?

i seen many people complaining about they don't give big wins easily or just don't give by making unanswerable queries like very hard KYC, freezing accounts, etc. this problem is very common with trusted casino's also/

do anyone withdrawn successfully the winning amount and if yes what was the process, it was seamless or you need to pass a hard kyc?

You have to be aware that many people think they can get around multi-account restrictions and make the same attempt at bonuses, which are only ever calculated to be given to one person for one time. They may claim that the casino is refusing to pay out, there may be the odd instance at less reputable casinos where this actually happens, however they quite often hide a lot of the details that give away the fact they are abusing these bonus promotions. It might surprise you, but the largest casinos are making plenty of profit and don't really need to dispute the odd cases where someone wins back a little chunk, but they most definitely will investigate if any indicator looks suspicious on the account and providing KYC is a pretty standard request now.

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August 27, 2023, 07:26:28 PM
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It is inevitable that everything will have its positive and negative sides, and this KYC rule is no exception. The positive side is that we become safer and casinos definitely do that for the account security of each user, and the negative side is that we may have to give our personal data to them.

It's a choice for us, whether we want to do it or not. Because the casino certainly does not force or in other words if we want to do KYC then we can play there, and if we are not willing to do it then we cannot play there (if the KYC rules are very strict).
If you say KYC for security, it's not really about our security, but casino security so that you can emphasize fraud or criminal acts such as money laundering, and on the negative side, we provide personal data, you don't need to worry because every trusted casino that already has a good reputation will always prioritize privacy or protect the personal data that we provide so that it is not leaked or even stolen by other parties.

Casinos never force their customers to provide KYC, but when all casinos implement KYC it seems that every gambler will also accept it, especially when gamblers often use large amounts of money, of course, every provision that can provide comfortable advice will always be carried out.
Maybe you should understand again what @Jody.Drummer meant, not a problem about personal data security but more precisely account security if one day there is a hacking of a customer account that has large funds inside, for example you have done KYC on your account after that deposited 3000 dollars and a few days later your account is hacked can't be opened and you appeal to the casino of course the casino sends a warning to the hacker to prove whether he is the real owner or not by sending KYC again and of course the hacker can't provide the data so your account will returned.
More precisely, the safe word meant by Jodry.Drummer is only to identify if an account has been hacked.
If we only talk about the security of our personal data, we don't need to doubt that if we have done KYC with a good reputation, of course the casino always takes good care of our data.

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August 27, 2023, 07:42:04 PM
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The casinos become very annoying when there are these kinds of demands, I make them because it doesn't matter much to me, and at this point they ask for the kyc for everything, what does bother me is that with the kyc they start to annoy, that they change the documents by new ones, and those people who ask for the new documents, sometimes we also have another job, and that implies getting up early and doing the management, or making appointments, or doing whatever it is with that, so I agree with KYC but I don't Be so demanding, it's the only thing and it's easy to do, I've verified my kyc in a few casinos and it's fast, but some sites are very annoying with it, and that's what should be avoided.




What have become the reality in today's gambling industry is the issue of KYC, This is what have created a lot of conflicting reactions within the gambling community most especially those online cryptocurrency casino, This is why before you agree to sign up to any casino you need to first of all agree to give out your information for verification,  so for that it makes our worries to shift to another direction which is.

How safe and secure are our KYC documents on those casinos that we give out our KYC documents to and what is the level of their data protection?
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August 27, 2023, 10:50:04 PM
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The casinos become very annoying when there are these kinds of demands, I make them because it doesn't matter much to me, and at this point they ask for the kyc for everything, what does bother me is that with the kyc they start to annoy, that they change the documents by new ones, and those people who ask for the new documents, sometimes we also have another job, and that implies getting up early and doing the management, or making appointments, or doing whatever it is with that, so I agree with KYC but I don't Be so demanding, it's the only thing and it's easy to do, I've verified my kyc in a few casinos and it's fast, but some sites are very annoying with it, and that's what should be avoided.

If playing in a KYC-required casino annoys you then you better look for other casinos that do not require their players to submit KYC.  No one is forcing us to play at these kinds of casinos.  It is our own free will that we are playing on the platform.

Honestly, let us not stress ourselves and get annoyed by the kind of casino you are referring to.  We can just read the ToS and avoid the platform if we are not satisfied with the terms.  In this way we save ourselves from frustration and stress of putting up with the casino just to play on their platform.

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August 28, 2023, 02:47:42 AM
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do anyone withdrawn successfully the winning amount and if yes what was the process, it was seamless or you need to pass a hard kyc?
I think it is very rare to deposit a small amount and withdraw a winning jackpot. I once got such a jackpot in a casino in our country. I won 200,000 in local currency but after withdrawing only 40000 my account got banned.
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August 28, 2023, 04:40:13 AM
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do anyone withdrawn successfully the winning amount and if yes what was the process, it was seamless or you need to pass a hard kyc?
I think it is very rare to deposit a small amount and withdraw a winning jackpot. I once got such a jackpot in a casino in our country. I won 200,000 in local currency but after withdrawing only 40000 my account got banned.

That is mostly what will happen, bonuses or depositing a small money you'll tend to lose it that is really their system unless you've people multiple times like  a thousand rounds a then it is possible if you are just new then haven't passed yet the KYC then played a single round then win then for sure the caisno owner thinks that you've cheated which then they will noticed and your account will be banned and you cant get your winnings, though right now i dont see any cases right now but before there is and mostly those people end up not getting their winnings.
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