FIBA Basketball World Cup 2023 - Betting and Discussions

[Coin_trader]

By the way, Philippines has not yet revealed their final 12,
 
SBP to reveal Gilas Pilipinas Final 12 on August 23

I've seen the news that 2 players are being debated on who will play for the Philippines team. I am not sure though if it's just fake news or not. Abando and Ravena. Or both are playing? Sorry, I am not updated with their roster.

That's not fake news; it's just that one of the famous sports announcers chose Ravena over Abando to be part of the final 12 because he believes that Ravena has more experience compared to Abando. However, the crowd reacted, as they believe Abando deserves it more than Ravena. So, it's quite intriguing to see who will make it to the final 12.

I read that opinion too from “the dean”. He is thinking Kiefer Ravena is much better that Abando since Ravena has a leadership skills and has more experience. Abando is really good and gives 101% of his best effort on every game even if his play time on Korea is very limited on some of their game. Kiefer on the other hand is really a good point guard yet he receives a lot of criticism since Abando performs well on KBL while Kiefer is just meh.

Without any bias opinions, I will choose Kiefer if Thompson can’t play since Kiefer is a good point guard but since Thompson is already fit to play, I think Kiefer role will be useless since Thompson will get most of the play time due to conflict of role while Abando has flexible which will be useful that Ravena on this case.

This no brainer decision that Gilas needs a player that put 100% on his game which we already witness on Abando games.

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[rhomelmabini]

By the way, Philippines has not yet revealed their final 12,
 
SBP to reveal Gilas Pilipinas Final 12 on August 23

I've seen the news that 2 players are being debated on who will play for the Philippines team. I am not sure though if it's just fake news or not. Abando and Ravena. Or both are playing? Sorry, I am not updated with their roster.

That's not fake news; it's just that one of the famous sports announcers chose Ravena over Abando to be part of the final 12 because he believes that Ravena has more experience compared to Abando. However, the crowd reacted, as they believe Abando deserves it more than Ravena. So, it's quite intriguing to see who will make it to the final 12.

I read that opinion too from “the dean”. He is thinking Kiefer Ravena is much better that Abando since Ravena has a leadership skills and has more experience. Abando is really good and gives 101% of his best effort on every game even if his play time on Korea is very limited on some of their game. Kiefer on the other hand is really a good point guard yet he receives a lot of criticism since Abando performs well on KBL while Kiefer is just meh.

Without any bias opinions, I will choose Kiefer if Thompson can’t play since Kiefer is a good point guard but since Thompson is already fit to play, I think Kiefer role will be useless since Thompson will get most of the play time due to conflict of role while Abando has flexible which will be useful that Ravena on this case.

This no brainer decision that Gilas needs a player that put 100% on his game which we already witness on Abando games.

Well, it's not yet selected and there's still lot of time left for the coaches to decide and I think that's not an easy job for the coach. The thing with these critics which I say the most especially on social media, they think they're more capable of that decision. Over the two I think if Jordan Heading was just eligible to play, I'd choose Heading since this is a legit shooter.

[blockman]

Between the Dominican Republic and Italy, I think Italy would win.

Upsets can happen and Italy's roster is interesting though.

True. Italy actually surprised me with their recent win streak. But some are saying it is because it's just a friendly game, but we will never know.
For me, it will be a tough Group. The Philippines will also try to do their best and win this group to advance to the next round.

And you probably heard it from our country's national team coach that he knows that Italy is strong so, it's like he's suggesting that no matter what happens they'll be defeated by them so there's no enthusiasm in defeating them. Chot is classic and always being like him when dealing about the other teams.

I've seen the news that 2 players are being debated on who will play for the Philippines team. I am not sure though if it's just fake news or not. Abando and Ravena. Or both are playing? Sorry, I am not updated with their roster.

If I'll be choosing one, I'll choose Abando. The guy has just proven himself in two tournaments offshore but with his South Korean Team but the thing with that is, it's hard to get such achievement on offshore leagues and he's shown enough on how good he was.

[wheelz1200]

Nice odds, though. I wouldn't hesitate to bet on the Philippines to win, as they are on their home court and will surely receive significant support from the crowd. The basis for those betting odds was probably their current standing, but in an event like this, home court advantage is a big advantage, so I'm all in with that.

Also, I'm thinking of betting on the spread too. It's currently +9.5, and I believe the home team is undervalued here.

I think those odds are pretty accurate and on point. I would wonder if it will be a game around the 10 point gap, the odds makers did a good job there.
Having KAT helps the Dominicans of course, only thing speaking for PH here is the home court advantage and a basketball love crowd that will cheer for them.

Unfortunately excitement doesn't beat talent so it a steep mountain to climb if they want to win. Everything is possible but they must have a very good day to beat even a just ok Dominican team.

I did further research after my previous post and discovered that the Dominican Republic is a stronger team this year. Not only will they have KAT, but they also have Al Horford as another big man. In addition, Chris Duarte, who is an NBA player, is part of the team.

Here's another interesting story: it's the Dominican Republic that prevented Argentina from qualifying for the FIBA World Cup.

Argentina men’s basketball team fails to qualify for FIBA World Cup

Argentina, the world’s fourth-ranked men’s basketball nation, failed to qualify for this summer’s 32-team FIBA World Cup and will miss the quadrennial world championship for the first time since 1982.

Argentina, runner-up to Spain at the last worlds in 2019, was eliminated with a home loss to the Dominican Republic in its 12th and final game of North and South American qualifying on Sunday.

A team with KAT, Horford and Duarte is no joke.  KAT is gonna dominate this game on the I side if he wanted.  Knowing him he will sit on the outside and look for his outside shot. Between him and horford it's gonna be a tough cover between them. 

[LTU_btc]

It's sad to read news about so many players missing tournament - either because of injuries or they simply decided to get rest this summer. Last victim of injury is Kristaps Porzingis from Latvia. Seems that general level of competition will be lower than in China back in 2019.
Question to folks from Philippines - you have arena with insance 55 000 seats and only 2 games will be held there, both on opening day. How and why? I expected that your national team will play there and final will be held there too

Here is Lithuania's roster.
https://twitter.com/FIBAWC/status/1691382519126499328?s=20
These guys.
The memory of this team defeating Team USA back in the Olympics in 2004 is still fresh in my head. They cannot mess with this team as they can be lethal. Mostly known for big guys who can shoot threes with high percentages, I think Valanciunas is the biggest example of that.

It's probably our weakest roster we ever had. Weare missing maybe 10 or even more players, including Domantas Sabonis from Sacramento Kings and we have just 4 players from EuroBasket 2022 roster.
Our glorious days when we were kicking asses to USA and won medals is long time ago - we haven't won any medal since 2015. And we are going into this World Cup without big expectations.

[Sithara007]

A team with KAT, Horford and Duarte is no joke.  KAT is gonna dominate this game on the I side if he wanted.  Knowing him he will sit on the outside and look for his outside shot. Between him and horford it's gonna be a tough cover between them. 

Am I missing something? Al Horford is not part of the Dominican squad for the 2023 FIBA World Cup. Karl Towns from Minnesota Timberwolves and Lester Quinones from Golden State Warriors are the only two NBA players in their team. I don't know why Al Horford was not included in the squad. Perhaps the Boston Celtics refused to release him? And it would be wrong to say that Argentina could not qualify because of Dominican Republic. Their loss against Venezuela early during the qualifiers was the main reason why they ended up at the 4th position in Group E.

[blockman]

Jamal Murray begged off to Canada's national team for the FIBA world cup.
(https://www.rappler.com/sports/fiba/denver-nuggets-star-jamal-murray-not-play-canada-2023-world-cup/)

[Maslate]

By the way, Philippines has not yet revealed their final 12,
 
SBP to reveal Gilas Pilipinas Final 12 on August 23

I've seen the news that 2 players are being debated on who will play for the Philippines team. I am not sure though if it's just fake news or not. Abando and Ravena. Or both are playing? Sorry, I am not updated with their roster.

That's not fake news; it's just that one of the famous sports announcers chose Ravena over Abando to be part of the final 12 because he believes that Ravena has more experience compared to Abando. However, the crowd reacted, as they believe Abando deserves it more than Ravena. So, it's quite intriguing to see who will make it to the final 12.

I read that opinion too from “the dean”. He is thinking Kiefer Ravena is much better that Abando since Ravena has a leadership skills and has more experience. Abando is really good and gives 101% of his best effort on every game even if his play time on Korea is very limited on some of their game. Kiefer on the other hand is really a good point guard yet he receives a lot of criticism since Abando performs well on KBL while Kiefer is just meh.

Without any bias opinions, I will choose Kiefer if Thompson can’t play since Kiefer is a good point guard but since Thompson is already fit to play, I think Kiefer role will be useless since Thompson will get most of the play time due to conflict of role while Abando has flexible which will be useful that Ravena on this case.

This no brainer decision that Gilas needs a player that put 100% on his game which we already witness on Abando games.

Exactly, that's why the crowd is upset when the Dean chooses Ravena. Not everyone is aware of their respective roles in basketball; they only compare their overall performance in their respective teams, and it's pretty obvious that Abando has performed well, given that his team has won the championship as well.

Additionally, since Abando has not played yet, I think he deserves to be given a chance. New faces in the game might bring new results to the biggest game of our Gilas Pilipinas.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

It's sad to read news about so many players missing tournament - either because of injuries or they simply decided to get rest this summer. Last victim of injury is Kristaps Porzingis from Latvia. Seems that general level of competition will be lower than in China back in 2019.

I already expect these news about Kristaps 2 weeks ago.
Latvia scheduled plenty of test matches and while promoting it fro ticket sales about 3 weeks ago they wrote people would see all the NBA and Euroleague stars, yet Porzingis didn't show in any of those games.

As this is the deciding time to get your team ready this can only be something bad, and now it's confirmed.

Another prominent loss, and with Jamal Murray gone another one. Name wise this world cup seems not so big this time unfortunately. Still, let's hop for some nice games and bigger upsets maybe.

[Questat]

It's sad to read news about so many players missing tournament - either because of injuries or they simply decided to get rest this summer. Last victim of injury is Kristaps Porzingis from Latvia. Seems that general level of competition will be lower than in China back in 2019.

I already expect these news about Kristaps 2 weeks ago.
Latvia scheduled plenty of test matches and while promoting it fro ticket sales about 3 weeks ago they wrote people would see all the NBA and Euroleague stars, yet Porzingis didn't show in any of those games.

As this is the deciding time to get your team ready this can only be something bad, and now it's confirmed.

Another prominent loss, and with Jamal Murray gone another one. Name wise this world cup seems not so big this time unfortunately. Still, let's hop for some nice games and bigger upsets maybe.

We were discussing how Canada had a good chance of winning due to Murray. However, now that he has been declared out, this will boost the chance of the USA to win the tournament. It's not good news for Canada, to be honest. Despite this, I still wouldn't bet on the USA. Instead, I would consider other teams that might have a chance to pull off an upset.

What is your opinion on the Dominican Republic's chances? I'm considering placing a bet on this team.

[blockman]

We were discussing how Canada had a good chance of winning due to Murray. However, now that he has been declared out, this will boost the chance of the USA to win the tournament. It's not good news for Canada, to be honest. Despite this, I still wouldn't bet on the USA. Instead, I would consider other teams that might have a chance to pull off an upset.

He's totally a big caliber for the team but it seems that he needs to take a rest and he surely need that for the upcoming NBA season.

What is your opinion on the Dominican Republic's chances? I'm considering placing a bet on this team.

They're strong, some may underestimate them but they've got a chance to win with those line ups that they've got for their schedules. If you want to put a bet on them, you should and it's up to you which team you'll want to bet. This isn't just all about the support but of course money's on the line so choose what you think have the chance of winning consider also the odds.

[Sanitough]

What is your opinion on the Dominican Republic's chances? I'm considering placing a bet on this team.

They're strong, some may underestimate them but they've got a chance to win with those line ups that they've got for their schedules. If you want to put a bet on them, you should and it's up to you which team you'll want to bet. This isn't just all about the support but of course money's on the line so choose what you think have the chance of winning consider also the odds.

According to the OP, the odds for the Dominican Republic to win was x81. However, this was before the announcement of KAT. Probably the odds has already been reduced now, but I still think it's a very attractive odds.

Before the news about Murray being ruled out, the odds were 4.75, so it's likely that those odds will increase now that the bad news has been released. There are lots of opportunities, as some teams probably have not announced their final 12 yet. Additionally, the issue of injuries cannot be neglected, as it could happen before the actual competition. Therefore, following the news would provide us with early insights that could impact our betting decisions.

[Viscore]

Jamal Murray begged off to Canada's national team for the FIBA world cup.
(https://www.rappler.com/sports/fiba/denver-nuggets-star-jamal-murray-not-play-canada-2023-world-cup/)

This would affect Canada's chances of winning. For a moment, I considered Canada to be the closest rival to the USA. However, the absence of Jamal Murray, an NBA champion, is a significant setback for the team. Now, I am no longer interested in following this team. I have a feeling that unless their odds increase significantly, they are overvalued.

Regarding the power rankings from 5 days ago, the Dominican Republic was ranked number 10, and with the mentioned odds, this is quite enticing.

https://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2023/news/fiba-basketball-world-cup-2023-power-rankings-volume-ii

[blockman]

What is your opinion on the Dominican Republic's chances? I'm considering placing a bet on this team.

They're strong, some may underestimate them but they've got a chance to win with those line ups that they've got for their schedules. If you want to put a bet on them, you should and it's up to you which team you'll want to bet. This isn't just all about the support but of course money's on the line so choose what you think have the chance of winning consider also the odds.

According to the OP, the odds for the Dominican Republic to win was x81. However, this was before the announcement of KAT. Probably the odds has already been reduced now, but I still think it's a very attractive odds.

Before the news about Murray being ruled out, the odds were 4.75, so it's likely that those odds will increase now that the bad news has been released. There are lots of opportunities, as some teams probably have not announced their final 12 yet. Additionally, the issue of injuries cannot be neglected, as it could happen before the actual competition. Therefore, following the news would provide us with early insights that could impact our betting decisions.

Yeah, there have been too many changes and for sure the odds will change eventually as the matches are approaching. Just keep on following on the news and who knows that as long as the date for the matches aren't been there, still a lot of things can happen for most of the participating teams that you may be interested to bet with.

Jamal Murray begged off to Canada's national team for the FIBA world cup.
(https://www.rappler.com/sports/fiba/denver-nuggets-star-jamal-murray-not-play-canada-2023-world-cup/)

This would affect Canada's chances of winning. For a moment, I considered Canada to be the closest rival to the USA. However, the absence of Jamal Murray, an NBA champion, is a significant setback for the team. Now, I am no longer interested in following this team. I have a feeling that unless their odds increase significantly, they are overvalued.

Regarding the power rankings from 5 days ago, the Dominican Republic was ranked number 10, and with the mentioned odds, this is quite enticing.

https://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2023/news/fiba-basketball-world-cup-2023-power-rankings-volume-ii

Sure they're one of the favorites because of how recent Murray's Nuggets took the championship for the last season in the NBA. That changes the perspective on how people expected him to play but with such surprise announcement, it dropped to the pit for the expectation of many fans.

[tabas]

A strong win coming from Bahamas. After being reported that Gordon have left Team USA for him to be able to play with the national team of Bahamas. A win against one of the top teams in the world ranking, top 4 to be specific. And the tally of score was not just like a mercy win but they're able to lead with 12 points against ARG. 101-89
Source: Deandre Ayton, Eric Gordon, Hield lead Bahamas to a win over Argentina

[Yatsan]

By the way, Philippines has not yet revealed their final 12,
 
SBP to reveal Gilas Pilipinas Final 12 on August 23

I've seen the news that 2 players are being debated on who will play for the Philippines team. I am not sure though if it's just fake news or not. Abando and Ravena. Or both are playing? Sorry, I am not updated with their roster.

That's not fake news; it's just that one of the famous sports announcers chose Ravena over Abando to be part of the final 12 because he believes that Ravena has more experience compared to Abando. However, the crowd reacted, as they believe Abando deserves it more than Ravena. So, it's quite intriguing to see who will make it to the final 12.

Abando I guess would be a better pick because of he's a more active player and more of a team player than with ravena who often tends to push scoring on some sort of a spotlight. They should give chance to the new ones as well nd to not base with bench time alone; they're all players who can shoot in the first place, choosing someone which would create a better ball movement would be a better idea given the height advantage by opposing teams. Well eitherway, it would be tough for Philippines to win this one. They could atleast be tough enough for a silver but it would be a long run for sure. I want to support them but if it is betting then it would be hard to put my bias on them. In terms of size, agility, and trainings, for sure we all know what teams would be dominant once the tournament start.

[danherbias07]

Man, I really wish I have the merits to share with you guys but I don't.
Most of the shares here are very informative that it could boost our winning chances on the betting section when the event starts.
@LTU_btc I honestly forgot about Domantas Sabonis. My mind is jumbled now with the different basketball leagues that I am watching.  Oh, and Kristaps Porzingis too from Latvia is injured, thanks for the information.

Celtics’ Kristaps Porzingis won’t play in FIBA World Cup because of foot problem
Latvia's Porzingis made the decision after an MRI in consultation with the Celtics and Latvian coaching and medical staffs about the plantar fasciitis.

https://www.nba.com/news/kristaps-porzingis-out-fiba-world-cup-foot
Here is the full roster for Latvia and do cross-out Kristaps Porzingis due to recent injury news.

This would affect Canada's chances of winning. For a moment, I considered Canada to be the closest rival to the USA. However, the absence of Jamal Murray, an NBA champion, is a significant setback for the team. Now, I am no longer interested in following this team. I have a feeling that unless their odds increase significantly, they are overvalued.

Regarding the power rankings from 5 days ago, the Dominican Republic was ranked number 10, and with the mentioned odds, this is quite enticing.

https://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2023/news/fiba-basketball-world-cup-2023-power-rankings-volume-ii

Suddenly Italy climbed up to the 8th spot due to their recent win streak in the friendly games. That's nice.
And look at the Dominican Republic climbing their way up too due to the recent news with Karl Anthony Towns playing for their team. That's a big one for them.

Anyway, who do guys think has a better chance of defeating the USA if there is no grouping made? In the whole list of countries.

[Sithara007]

A strong win coming from Bahamas. After being reported that Gordon have left Team USA for him to be able to play with the national team of Bahamas. A win against one of the top teams in the world ranking, top 4 to be specific. And the tally of score was not just like a mercy win but they're able to lead with 12 points against ARG. 101-89
Source: Deandre Ayton, Eric Gordon, Hield lead Bahamas to a win over Argentina

Don't know much about the top-4 ranking, but Argentina failed to qualify for the world cup this time. Which would indicate that their players are not in great form. Still it is good that Bahamas was able to win the match against quality opposition. Some of these smaller nations (such as Bahamas and Dominican Rep.) are getting boosted by the presence of NBA players. Even during yesterday's match, it was Deandre Ayton (Phoenix Suns) and Eric Gordon who performed well for Bahamas. Buddy Hield of Indiana Pacers also played a major role during yesterday's match. 

[tabas]

A strong win coming from Bahamas. After being reported that Gordon have left Team USA for him to be able to play with the national team of Bahamas. A win against one of the top teams in the world ranking, top 4 to be specific. And the tally of score was not just like a mercy win but they're able to lead with 12 points against ARG. 101-89
Source: Deandre Ayton, Eric Gordon, Hield lead Bahamas to a win over Argentina

Don't know much about the top-4 ranking, but Argentina failed to qualify for the world cup this time. Which would indicate that their players are not in great form.

It's the world ranking for Argentina as per the FIBA website: https://www.fiba.basketball/rankingmen

Still it is good that Bahamas was able to win the match against quality opposition. Some of these smaller nations (such as Bahamas and Dominican Rep.) are getting boosted by the presence of NBA players. Even during yesterday's match, it was Deandre Ayton (Phoenix Suns) and Eric Gordon who performed well for Bahamas. Buddy Hield of Indiana Pacers also played a major role during yesterday's match. 

That's true, having their own players that has come from the NBA really boosted them a lot. And for those bigger nations, even they don't have much blood that has come from the NBA, still the individual skills that they have from their players are enormous and great. In the past, they've got NBA players that have influenced them. Or they've got a mentor that has come from the league and that's the one who's giving them tips and trainings that's suitable for them to be able to perform very well on the international stage.

[Sithara007]

That's true, having their own players that has come from the NBA really boosted them a lot. And for those bigger nations, even they don't have much blood that has come from the NBA, still the individual skills that they have from their players are enormous and great. In the past, they've got NBA players that have influenced them. Or they've got a mentor that has come from the league and that's the one who's giving them tips and trainings that's suitable for them to be able to perform very well on the international stage.

NBA being the top basketball league in the world, contributes a lot to the skill improvement of the players. If someone from Bahamas or Dominican Republic plays along the top players such as Stephen Curry or Kevin Durant, then obviously his level of play increases automatically. Other leagues such as EuroLeague and Liga ACB doesn't have the same quality has NBA and the gap is quite wide. Still, having NBA players in the team alone is not sufficient to win matches. And that will be obvious in 2 weeks or so, when this tournament gets going.