FIBA Basketball World Cup 2023 - Betting and Discussions

[AHOYBRAUSE]

I did not know KAT was Dominican, I thought he was American, interesting, I also did not expected to see Jordan Clarkson too, turns out he was from Philippines as well, I thought he was American too, so many players I thought to be American and turns out not from there and from another nation.

I think it was definitely a good close game, and losses happens it is not really a big deal to lose this game and I think it should be important to realize that we are not going to get that much of a big deal out of this, World Cup should be something to care about but unfortunately USA doesn't seem to care all that much, look at their roster, they do not bring in the best players, so lets see when they will lose out, because I bet that this team can't win it all.

Bookies though are favoring USA to win overall on this event. So even if they are not bringing their best, they are the first choice to win.
Followed by Canada, Slovenia, Australia, France and Spain. Seems they are the favorite teams to top on this world cup.
Clarkson represents Philippines because he is a Fil-Am, and he decides to represent PH on this event and so with KAT, a Dominican-American.
In terms of betting, it would be easier to bet on a per group basis. And then once the group event finishes, that's when you will better see the chances of those teams left.
But if bettors are seeing the advantage of betting early, then, that's their choice because the odds are attractive right now.

Pre tournament betting looked a little different than what you are writing here. Canada had the 5th lowest odds, they were far from being favourites. And that was before Jamal Murray announced he won't play, same for Wiggins.

I got a 14:1 odds for Canada at that time, but I only bet 20euro, just for fun. Of course I also bet on 40:1 for Germany.

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Anyway, today we finally got our first mayor upset of the tournament with Japan beating Finland. I have learned that this was the first time ever Japan beat a European team in an official game.
And they way this game played out was crazy. Finland was up by 15/16 points with 12 minutes to play, needless to say they have been an around 12 point favourite to win.
And they Japan came back and won by 10, what an amazing comeback.

Who would have thought that of the both hosts Japan would be the team that still has a slight chance to advance, they have their face in their own hands, but beating Australia of course is a tough task.
Unfortunately PH lost and is mathematically not out yet, but to advance they need a minor miracle.

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[el kaka22]

USA might be getting lucky with the wins right now but to be fair to them I do not see them winning the whole thing. They have built a team that could make some profit when the time comes but we have seen it not be all that better so the result is not really that good at this moment, the squad is not that great.

I think it is going to be very tough for them to get the win. Just like the last time out how they lost with Pop, they are going to probably do the same result again as well. It is just not possible for them to get this type of win without having their stars. I am sure one day some stars will do "redeem team" logic and build a big name squad, but until then they are not going to end up getting a good title at all.

[goaldigger]

I think it was definitely a good close game, and losses happens it is not really a big deal to lose this game and I think it should be important to realize that we are not going to get that much of a big deal out of this, World Cup should be something to care about but unfortunately USA doesn't seem to care all that much, look at their roster, they do not bring in the best players, so lets see when they will lose out, because I bet that this team can't win it all.

As for Team USA, that stack probably should be enough. Yet, they've got one of the best and championship coach which is Kerr and assistant coach, Erik Spoelstra.

With the match between Angola and the Philippines a while ago, I thought that Gilas would be able to beat Angola but Angola is the stronger team. I don't want to blame the coach despite being booed when shown on the screen in the arena. While most of our countrymen's sentiment is about the system and the coach. Anyway, full hate has always been given to Coach Chot as usual when they're beaten, can't blame the fans though.

Too bad for the Team Philippines are they are close enough to take the win and yet, they fall behind on their most important game to get a win, there is so much hate with the coaching staff since then, its too bad for the players to hear such cheer from the crowd, its not motivating at all. With regards to the USA team despite of not being dominant and don't have their NBA star players they still manage to get a win and that could be a good sign for a younger generation to make their own name, and this is a big opportunity for them.

[carlisle1]

I think it was definitely a good close game, and losses happens it is not really a big deal to lose this game and I think it should be important to realize that we are not going to get that much of a big deal out of this, World Cup should be something to care about but unfortunately USA doesn't seem to care all that much, look at their roster, they do not bring in the best players, so lets see when they will lose out, because I bet that this team can't win it all.

As for Team USA, that stack probably should be enough. Yet, they've got one of the best and championship coach which is Kerr and assistant coach, Erik Spoelstra.

With the match between Angola and the Philippines a while ago, I thought that Gilas would be able to beat Angola but Angola is the stronger team. I don't want to blame the coach despite being booed when shown on the screen in the arena. While most of our countrymen's sentiment is about the system and the coach. Anyway, full hate has always been given to Coach Chot as usual when they're beaten, can't blame the fans though.

Too bad for the Team Philippines are they are close enough to take the win and yet, they fall behind on their most important game to get a win, there is so much hate with the coaching staff since then, its too bad for the players to hear such cheer from the crowd, its not motivating at all. With regards to the USA team despite of not being dominant and don't have their NBA star players they still manage to get a win and that could be a good sign for a younger generation to make their own name, and this is a big opportunity for them.

Yeah, the expectations even bookies provided with the Philippines is high, after that great performance against DR, they been placed as favorite
but like what we witnessed, they fell short again and lose the game against Angola.

Not to add with the hate against the coach, but hearing that booed in your own crowd, that's something that he needed to address
or if not him, it should be the management behind the squad whoever in-charge in performing the selection and the program of the team.

Learning process is no longer effective as an alibi with these 2-consecutive losses.

[arwin100]

I think it was definitely a good close game, and losses happens it is not really a big deal to lose this game and I think it should be important to realize that we are not going to get that much of a big deal out of this, World Cup should be something to care about but unfortunately USA doesn't seem to care all that much, look at their roster, they do not bring in the best players, so lets see when they will lose out, because I bet that this team can't win it all.

As for Team USA, that stack probably should be enough. Yet, they've got one of the best and championship coach which is Kerr and assistant coach, Erik Spoelstra.

With the match between Angola and the Philippines a while ago, I thought that Gilas would be able to beat Angola but Angola is the stronger team. I don't want to blame the coach despite being booed when shown on the screen in the arena. While most of our countrymen's sentiment is about the system and the coach. Anyway, full hate has always been given to Coach Chot as usual when they're beaten, can't blame the fans though.

Too bad for the Team Philippines are they are close enough to take the win and yet, they fall behind on their most important game to get a win, there is so much hate with the coaching staff since then, its too bad for the players to hear such cheer from the crowd, its not motivating at all. With regards to the USA team despite of not being dominant and don't have their NBA star players they still manage to get a win and that could be a good sign for a younger generation to make their own name, and this is a big opportunity for them.

Yeah, the expectations even bookies provided with the Philippines is high, after that great performance against DR, they been placed as favorite
but like what we witnessed, they fell short again and lose the game against Angola.

Not to add with the hate against the coach, but hearing that booed in your own crowd, that's something that he needed to address
or if not him, it should be the management behind the squad whoever in-charge in performing the selection and the program of the team.

Learning process is no longer effective as an alibi with these 2-consecutive losses.

What can you expect from the coach? His plays is so predictable and the way he release his statement doesn't motivate his team. He really need to step down since almost all Filipino fans want him to step down as he didn't bring anything good to the national team. Hope he realize that and will not be a thick face to continue his self on the team since they can still get the same result. Next game is Italy but if they continue to use the predictable plays of their coach and rely only on Clarkson offense provably we can all agree that they don't have a chance to beat Italy.

[borovichok]

What can you expect from the coach? His plays is so predictable and the way he release his statement doesn't motivate his team. He really need to step down since almost all Filipino fans want him to step down as he didn't bring anything good to the national team. Hope he realize that and will not be a thick face to continue his self on the team since they can still get the same result. Next game is Italy but if they continue to use the predictable plays of their coach and rely only on Clarkson offense provably we can all agree that they don't have a chance to beat Italy.

Change is constant, every year the same result, the team will never learn to be proactive under the coach, vulnerable to losses and making things blowed out of proportion in the team. The coach needs all the possible supports he could gathered from his supporters, it's really a tough job sitting at the top and making wrong changes that would affect the team, I totally understand from his point of view, he needs time and have been given enough time for him to bounce back the team to winning race, however we don't see that happening anytime soon.

[danherbias07]

I got a 14:1 odds for Canada at that time, but I only bet 20euro, just for fun. Of course I also bet on 40:1 for Germany.

Lucky! Pre-tournament I saw Canada at 4.75 only and it's in my first post. If you got it at x14 then there's a chance you can cash out at good profits if ever they will face Team USA in the finals.

Anyway, today we finally got our first mayor upset of the tournament with Japan beating Finland. I have learned that this was the first time ever Japan beat a European team in an official game.
And they way this game played out was crazy. Finland was up by 15/16 points with 12 minutes to play, needless to say they have been an around 12 point favourite to win.
And they Japan came back and won by 10, what an amazing comeback.

Very surprising and indeed, one of the biggest upsets and comeback.
Now FIBA made a voting event on which team made the biggest upset.
https://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2023/news/vote-which-was-the-biggest-among-big-upsets-on-sunday
I like what is happening. Suddenly, not all eyes are just for Team USA. France being defeated twice is something new and then despite having NBA players on their roster was also defeated by Latvia.
Also, the Dominican Republic now being the top in their group after defeating Italy which was the top favorite before the event started.

Montenegro and Lithuania both have a 2-0 lead. Tomorrow, we will find out who is the best in their group when they battle in Manila, Mall of Asia Arena PH.

[carlisle1]

What can you expect from the coach? His plays is so predictable and the way he release his statement doesn't motivate his team. He really need to step down since almost all Filipino fans want him to step down as he didn't bring anything good to the national team. Hope he realize that and will not be a thick face to continue his self on the team since they can still get the same result. Next game is Italy but if they continue to use the predictable plays of their coach and rely only on Clarkson offense provably we can all agree that they don't have a chance to beat Italy.

Change is constant, every year the same result, the team will never learn to be proactive under the coach, vulnerable to losses and making things blowed out of proportion in the team. The coach needs all the possible supports he could gathered from his supporters, it's really a tough job sitting at the top and making wrong changes that would affect the team, I totally understand from his point of view, he needs time and have been given enough time for him to bounce back the team to winning race, however we don't see that happening anytime soon.

No more respect or no more pride with this head coach, he just wanted to stay and keep those blames be forgotten after the event,
the fans can boo him all the time, but there's nothing behind that boo, right?

It will not affect him in terms of keeping his job and still continue to take over with the national team. It's been a long time when fans voices it out
and nothing has been change he still doing his job.

Maybe better to focus watching the game and try to forget about all those hates and let things to happen as it's uncontrollable to every fan
out there.

[jakelyson]

What can you expect from the coach? His plays is so predictable and the way he release his statement doesn't motivate his team. He really need to step down since almost all Filipino fans want him to step down as he didn't bring anything good to the national team. Hope he realize that and will not be a thick face to continue his self on the team since they can still get the same result. Next game is Italy but if they continue to use the predictable plays of their coach and rely only on Clarkson offense provably we can all agree that they don't have a chance to beat Italy.

I do not expect them to beat Italy. I think I saw a post in social media coming from the coach that "Italy is Italy." and they are focusing on Dominican Republic and Angola. If that is the case, then they did not prepare for Italy. So, I am assuming that it is already a lost even before the game even started. The mindset of the coach is very negative and there is too much politics in Philippine basketball. The result is a backwards basketball system.

Still, kudos to the players of the Philippines team. They are still giving it all in the court and we can see it in the close 2 games.

Not to add with the hate against the coach, but hearing that booed in your own crowd, that's something that he needed to address
or if not him, it should be the management behind the squad whoever in-charge in performing the selection and the program of the team.

Learning process is no longer effective as an alibi with these 2-consecutive losses.

I have to watch the replay of the game. I did not saw the booing when I was watching it live.

I was not surprised though; it is common sentiments that the coach is holding back the team. Almost all Filipino fans want the coach out, but he is very strong in SBP and keeps getting the job year after year even though there is no improvement.

Anyway, today we finally got our first mayor upset of the tournament with Japan beating Finland. I have learned that this was the first time ever Japan beat a European team in an official game.
And they way this game played out was crazy. Finland was up by 15/16 points with 12 minutes to play, needless to say they have been an around 12 point favourite to win.
And they Japan came back and won by 10, what an amazing comeback.

That was an amazing win unfortunately I was not able to witness it. I think Japan is the only Asian country to win in the tournament yet. With that win also, they have a higher chance to qualify to Olympics. There is only 1 slot for Asian region in the Olympics so it is very important for the Japanese that they got that win.

[Viscore]

What can you expect from the coach? His plays is so predictable and the way he release his statement doesn't motivate his team. He really need to step down since almost all Filipino fans want him to step down as he didn't bring anything good to the national team. Hope he realize that and will not be a thick face to continue his self on the team since they can still get the same result. Next game is Italy but if they continue to use the predictable plays of their coach and rely only on Clarkson offense provably we can all agree that they don't have a chance to beat Italy.

Change is constant, every year the same result, the team will never learn to be proactive under the coach, vulnerable to losses and making things blowed out of proportion in the team. The coach needs all the possible supports he could gathered from his supporters, it's really a tough job sitting at the top and making wrong changes that would affect the team, I totally understand from his point of view, he needs time and have been given enough time for him to bounce back the team to winning race, however we don't see that happening anytime soon.

No more respect or no more pride with this head coach, he just wanted to stay and keep those blames be forgotten after the event,
the fans can boo him all the time, but there's nothing behind that boo, right?

It will not affect him in terms of keeping his job and still continue to take over with the national team. It's been a long time when fans voices it out
and nothing has been change he still doing his job.

Maybe better to focus watching the game and try to forget about all those hates and let things to happen as it's uncontrollable to every fan
out there.

I read a post where he stated in the past, 'Judge me in the World Cup.' Therefore, I believe what we have witnessed is already sufficient to evaluate him and decide that he should not continue as the coach of Gilas Pilipinas. The type of plays they are implementing is painful to watch; there's no effective ball movement, and they seem overly reliant on Clarkson. Most likely, the plays are designed solely for our naturalized player.

Other teams, even when they have NBA players, still exhibit very smooth ball movement. In fact, we observed that even when Fernando was on the bench, Angola's offense continued to flow well.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Yeah France was up 12 going into the 4th and then we witnessed yet another total collapse, amazing. Who would have thought that France would bust out in the group stage already, haha.

But if you can’t finish a game you deserve to go home , plain and simple.

We got a couple of nice games left today, until now this World Cup hast is really nice to watch, even though we also saw a lot of blowouts.

About cashing out, well Canada might become a good cashout opportunity but if Germany keeps playing solid basketball there might be much more value in them . Getting 40:1 pre tournament was a real present if you look at their exhibition games before it. They almost beat Canada twice, basically destroying them in both games before Canada came back in the 2nd. That says a lot about their quality. And beating Australia without Franz Wagner is also a great achievement in my opinion!

[Distinctin]

Did you watch the Australia vs Germany game? It was a very intense match, very close, and Germany upset the Australians. The last shot by Giddy made me think he was fouled, but there was no time left in the game. That could have led to overtime. What I noticed in the game is that Patty Mills made a lot of mistakes. It seemed like they suddenly changed their strategy when Giddy was able to score consecutive points for the team. I don't understand why; Australia could have won the game.

Yeah France was up 12 going into the 4th and then we witnessed yet another total collapse, amazing. Who would have thought that France would bust out in the group stage already, haha.

Rudy Gobert wanting to be in the championship but what happened is they have first round exit. 

NBA Fans Troll Rudy Gobert, France After 2023 FIBA World Cup Elimination by Latvia

[inthelongrun]

USA might be getting lucky with the wins right now but to be fair to them I do not see them winning the whole thing. They have built a team that could make some profit when the time comes but we have seen it not be all that better so the result is not really that good at this moment, the squad is not that great.

I think it is going to be very tough for them to get the win. Just like the last time out how they lost with Pop, they are going to probably do the same result again as well. It is just not possible for them to get this type of win without having their stars. I am sure one day some stars will do "redeem team" logic and build a big name squad, but until then they are not going to end up getting a good title at all.

Even before the start of the tournament, I am doubtful if the USA will win this tournament. I was tempted to make outright bets on France, Australia, and Canada.

With regards to the lineup of the USA, it is the trend that its biggest superstars are not paying attention to the FIBA World Cup. They're more interested in playing in the Olympics which makes that quadrennial event the biggest basketball event. The mighty USA has always dominated the basketball gold medals in every Olympics ever since I watched television. So it's only the upcoming younger players and the not-so-bigger names are given the chance to represent the USA during FIBA World Cups but they are always the favorites in the betting odds.

[mirakal]

USA might be getting lucky with the wins right now but to be fair to them I do not see them winning the whole thing. They have built a team that could make some profit when the time comes but we have seen it not be all that better so the result is not really that good at this moment, the squad is not that great.

I think it is going to be very tough for them to get the win. Just like the last time out how they lost with Pop, they are going to probably do the same result again as well. It is just not possible for them to get this type of win without having their stars. I am sure one day some stars will do "redeem team" logic and build a big name squad, but until then they are not going to end up getting a good title at all.

Even before the start of the tournament, I am doubtful if the USA will win this tournament. I was tempted to make outright bets on France, Australia, and Canada.

With regards to the lineup of the USA, it is the trend that its biggest superstars are not paying attention to the FIBA World Cup. They're more interested in playing in the Olympics which makes that quadrennial event the biggest basketball event. The mighty USA has always dominated the basketball gold medals in every Olympics ever since I watched television. So it's only the upcoming younger players and the not-so-bigger names are given the chance to represent the USA during FIBA World Cups but they are always the favorites in the betting odds.

Right and I agree with you on that. It was already clear that USA are not that interested to win in FIBA, they just want to qualify towards the next level because their eyes was already fixed on a much bigger prize and just like what you mentioned, the gold medals in Olympics are what they are trying to have. Hence why only the young sprouts of the NBA are playing in FIBA and not the big names. These young ones will suffice, I mean look at the odds, they are already ranked #1, what more if they will send their big dogs.

[blockman]

As for Team USA, that stack probably should be enough. Yet, they've got one of the best and championship coach which is Kerr and assistant coach, Erik Spoelstra.

With the match between Angola and the Philippines a while ago, I thought that Gilas would be able to beat Angola but Angola is the stronger team. I don't want to blame the coach despite being booed when shown on the screen in the arena. While most of our countrymen's sentiment is about the system and the coach. Anyway, full hate has always been given to Coach Chot as usual when they're beaten, can't blame the fans though.

Too bad for the Team Philippines are they are close enough to take the win and yet, they fall behind on their most important game to get a win, there is so much hate with the coaching staff since then, its too bad for the players to hear such cheer from the crowd, its not motivating at all.

The first and second game were really close and honestly I thought that they'll be able to make it despite all of the opinions of many that they'll have the hardest time to beat them. I mean that they were right that the Gilas have the hardest time to beat both of them because they haven't won any single match against them. It's the nation that calls for the coach to step down and this isn't just this time but even for a long time when he's handled the national team. Upon hearing that, yeah, it's not really motivating at all but they know why the crowd reacts like that.

With regards to the USA team despite of not being dominant and don't have their NBA star players they still manage to get a win and that could be a good sign for a younger generation to make their own name, and this is a big opportunity for them.

Well, they may not have those star players but these players are still NBA players. Getting into the league is like a lottery because out of the many talented basketball players in the world, they are the chosen few so can be said that it's still a strong team but can be stronger with the stars.

[wheelz1200]

I think it was definitely a good close game, and losses happens it is not really a big deal to lose this game and I think it should be important to realize that we are not going to get that much of a big deal out of this, World Cup should be something to care about but unfortunately USA doesn't seem to care all that much, look at their roster, they do not bring in the best players, so lets see when they will lose out, because I bet that this team can't win it all.

As for Team USA, that stack probably should be enough. Yet, they've got one of the best and championship coach which is Kerr and assistant coach, Erik Spoelstra.

With the match between Angola and the Philippines a while ago, I thought that Gilas would be able to beat Angola but Angola is the stronger team. I don't want to blame the coach despite being booed when shown on the screen in the arena. While most of our countrymen's sentiment is about the system and the coach. Anyway, full hate has always been given to Coach Chot as usual when they're beaten, can't blame the fans though.

Too bad for the Team Philippines are they are close enough to take the win and yet, they fall behind on their most important game to get a win, there is so much hate with the coaching staff since then, its too bad for the players to hear such cheer from the crowd, its not motivating at all. With regards to the USA team despite of not being dominant and don't have their NBA star players they still manage to get a win and that could be a good sign for a younger generation to make their own name, and this is a big opportunity for them.

It is a shame because I think the local community was really excited to see their home team progress against other countries.  I think this would be the first time a host nation wouldn't move on right?  Was the Phillipines favored in this last game.  I haven't tracked lines for any games other than the teams I know and am looking to bet on.

[LTU_btc]

Congratulations to Cape Verde and South Sudan with their first ever World Cup wins. Well deserved. New Zeland - Jordan was fun game, especially Rondae Hollis-Jefferson 39 points performance. Though it wasn't enough for Jordan to win. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI1YnQXzNyU Good comment under video which summarizes Mamba style performance:

Man moves like Kobe, wears Kobe's shoes and number, wears an arm band, and the loose jersey. Feels like Kobe's still playing.

Tomorrow there isn't many games that really matters. Japan made big upset by kicking out Finland, but I don't see them making something similr against Australia.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Basketnews published a great video about the "new dark horse", team Germany.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-6aJ3PAbh4

They are totally right, at this point our team can beat anybody on a good day. And when/if Franz Wagner comes back we will have 1 more big option on offense, compared to the Australia game.

I hope the coach gives all the the important guy some well deserved rest, I mean limited minutes versus Finland.
We don't need the points and/or the win, it would be the smart decision. Of course it would be nice to win and stay unbeaten ( it's also good for the momentum, but since it's worth nothing it would be smart to not take any risks.

Franz can heal is sprain a little long and Schröder/Theis/Mo shouldn't play more than 20 minutes in my opinion.

[Sithara007]

We had a bunch of disappointing matches yesterday. There were no major upsets. I was expecting Greece to put up a bit more resistance against the Americans, but they lost the match by a big margin. Giannis Antetokounmpo's absence seems to have hurt Greece, although his brother Thanasis was included in the squad. USA completely dominated the match and Greece was unable to secure a lead in any of the quarters. BTW, did anyone watched the Serbia vs Puerto Rico match? It was weird. 2nd quarter went for Serbia, by a margin of 30-12. And third quarter was swept by PR, with 18-31. In the end, Serbia had an easy win though.

[danherbias07]

We had a bunch of disappointing matches yesterday. There were no major upsets. I was expecting Greece to put up a bit more resistance against the Americans, but they lost the match by a big margin. Giannis Antetokounmpo's absence seems to have hurt Greece, although his brother Thanasis was included in the squad. USA completely dominated the match and Greece was unable to secure a lead in any of the quarters. BTW, did anyone watched the Serbia vs Puerto Rico match? It was weird. 2nd quarter went for Serbia, by a margin of 30-12. And third quarter was swept by PR, with 18-31. In the end, Serbia had an easy win though.

Correct. Greece without Giannis is not really a good team to go against the strong ones, especially the USA. Offense is a big problem for them although I can see they can somehow protect the rim using their height advantage. Speed base though, they are a mismatch to the young roster of the USA.

Iran versus Ivory Coast was one of the close games yesterday but I doubt many of you are watching that game.

Later we have some good games and might be the final game for other countries.
The Philippines facing Italy, the big question of the Filipinos is if we can ever win one game against European teams just like how Japan did it.

How about France? Truly surprising that they have not won any yet. They will be facing Lebanon later and I think this is where they will get their first win.

Montenegro versus Lithuania this game I will definitely be tuned in. The odds are favoring Lithuania but I think I will take the risk of betting for Montenegro.

Good luck with your bets guys.