⚽ Lega Serie A 🇮🇹 (Italian League) Prediction Thread 2024/2025⚽

[giammangiato]

new speculation about transfer

when	who	from	to	price
Jul 26	Andrea Colpani Midfielder	Monza	Fiorentina	Loan
Jul 26	Filip Marchwinski Midfielder	Lech Poznan	Lecce	Undisclosed
Jul 24	Dailon Rocha Livramento Attacker	MVV Maastricht	Hellas Verona	600000
Jul 23	Che Adams Attacker	Southampton	Torino	Free
Jul 23	Thijs Dallinga Attacker	Toulouse	Bologna	15million
Jul 22	Mattia Viti Defender	OGC Nice	Empoli	Loan

[babo]

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Dean Hujsen is shown like he is a "defensive prospect" for Juventus but set to sign for Bournemouth on the other hand. Even for only 18 million euros. How much do you know about him? I hope they aren't losing an important talent.

Juventus needs every single skilled player as of now. They are in a new era with Motta. If Hujsen is also skilled for real then they should loan him the most, not sell him permanently. There are so many centre-backs in their squad of course. Maybe the player also wants to leave because of thinking he wouldn't find much chance in the near future. Maybe after gaining some experience in the Premier League he would return to Italy stronger. 

I personally would do the opposite of what some teams do, I would sell all the "great" players at an advanced age to cultivate very strong spring teams.
A strong spring guarantees you a powerful generational turnover, and also allows you to monetize.
Football schools are very useful.

[giammangiato]

Milan AC is strangely silent in this signing season, I'm not really understanding their strategy in this regard, it seems like they're keeping everything a secret.  I don't understand why but that's okay.  Of course I agree with you on Morata, we'll see what happens in the next few weeks.

In reality they signed Alvaro Morata, but it's true only 1 purchase, perhaps Fonseca doesn't want to go too far and is copying Carlo Ancelotti's strategy and buying is what's needed.  Honestly, I'm also stunned, even if if you think about it they really don't have a "shortage" of players, it was Pioli who didn't know how to use them too well.

[babo]

the strategy of buying young promising players is not a strategy of a super intelligent person, it's an obvious strategy
only the stupid and stupid do the opposite, they sell talented young players
it means that they don't want to invest in the future and obviously for me this makes them become dead teams

[bastisisca]

the strategy of buying young promising players is not a strategy of a super intelligent person, it's an obvious strategy
only the stupid and stupid do the opposite, they sell talented young players
it means that they don't want to invest in the future and obviously for me this makes them become dead teams

Some teams have no interest in doing this, they have become listed companies their aim is to make money
Managing new talent is expensive and not very profitable, which is why they prefer to buy and exchange.  They are no longer talented coaches but traders.
Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, but their job is different now.  This in my opinion.

[giammangiato]

Modern football has changed a lot in recent years, we have witnessed things that have unfortunately distorted it from what it was, the reason being money.
..follow me in my reasoning, to make money they have to play games and play, by playing so much they need players who basically burn like wood in the fireplace
So let's say their objective becomes short-term and no longer long-term

[Lillominato89]

Modern football has changed a lot in recent years, we have witnessed things that have unfortunately distorted it from what it was, the reason being money.
..follow me in my reasoning, to make money they have to play games and play, by playing so much they need players who basically burn like wood in the fireplace
So let's say their objective becomes short-term and no longer long-term

It's always nice to read your opinions dear friend, every now and then I come back and make an appearance, as you know work and family commitments are many and time is always short, but let's get back to the point. You are absolutely right, nowadays soccer is no longer passionate but pure business, there is a lot of money going around and there will be more and more, because to keep the circus going more and more money will be needed. Have you ever tried lately to buy a ticket for a match of a major team? Like Juventus- Lecce? A ticket starts from no less than 40€ is we are talking about a simple league game, for big matches the price goes up, a Champions League final costs at least 10 times as much. There is a lot of money going around, and it will always take more to be able to pay salaries to players

[Lillominato89]

the strategy of buying young promising players is not a strategy of a super intelligent person, it's an obvious strategy
only the stupid and stupid do the opposite, they sell talented young players
it means that they don't want to invest in the future and obviously for me this makes them become dead teams

Some teams have no interest in doing this, they have become listed companies their aim is to make money
Managing new talent is expensive and not very profitable, which is why they prefer to buy and exchange.  They are no longer talented coaches but traders.
Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, but their job is different now.  This in my opinion.

In Italy very few coaches try to put young talent in the team, especially in the big teams almost no one wants to take the risk of constantly using young talent, and almost no one bets on young Italians, one of the many reasons why the Italian national team is the worst in the last 50 years. Only Allegri I have seen often use promising young people but he has paid the consequences

[bastisisca]

In Italy very few coaches try to put young talent in the team, especially in the big teams almost no one wants to take the risk of constantly using young talent, and almost no one bets on young Italians, one of the many reasons why the Italian national team is the worst in the last 50 years. Only Allegri I have seen often use promising young people but he has paid the consequences

How stupid really, young talent should be an investment for teams to make and not a way to punish coaches who use them.
Then you just have to spend millions to buy players who are in fashion, another stupid thing.
I honestly don't understand this, but I can't help it.

[giammangiato]

It's always nice to read your opinions dear friend, every now and then I come back and make an appearance, as you know work and family commitments are many and time is always short, but let's get back to the point. You are absolutely right, nowadays soccer is no longer passionate but pure business, there is a lot of money going around and there will be more and more, because to keep the circus going more and more money will be needed. Have you ever tried lately to buy a ticket for a match of a major team? Like Juventus- Lecce? A ticket starts from no less than 40? is we are talking about a simple league game, for big matches the price goes up, a Champions League final costs at least 10 times as much. There is a lot of money going around, and it will always take more to be able to pay salaries to players

Thank you and welcome back, you will surely have spent a little time during the summer holidays, please rest.
Exactly the matches cost too much, but evidently people find it easy to go to the stadium anyway by subtracting money from other things.
As long as people can afford it the game holds up, if something goes into crisis the first thing that gets cut is the fun.  So you understand well that the system cannot last.

[hahay]

In Italy very few coaches try to put young talent in the team, especially in the big teams almost no one wants to take the risk of constantly using young talent, and almost no one bets on young Italians, one of the many reasons why the Italian national team is the worst in the last 50 years. Only Allegri I have seen often use promising young people but he has paid the consequences

How stupid really, young talent should be an investment for teams to make and not a way to punish coaches who use them.
Then you just have to spend millions to buy players who are in fashion, another stupid thing.
I honestly don't understand this, but I can't help it.

It's not just about Allegri which playing young players because after all, other teams in Serie A also still have young players and in fact about Inter, who won the Scudetto, also has Lautaro Martinez who is a key player in their success. Do you know how old Lautaro Martinez is now? he is currently 26 years old but they still managed to be the best in Serie A. Also, there are still other teams in Serie A who play and maximize their young talents and not only Allegri. So, I don't agree if you conclude that Allegri's dismissal was because he failed to maximize the young talent in the Juventus squad.

But the point is, teams in Serie A have been deemed still willing to play older players compared to the Premier League which relies heavily on speed. But that doesn't mean that the teams in Serie A all play older players more than young players because after all, the proof is that there are still Serie A teams that are still successful by relying on and/or maximizing young players and also about Atalanta who managed to become the team that won the Europa League last season with the young players he had as well.

[Hirose UK]

the strategy of buying young promising players is not a strategy of a super intelligent person, it's an obvious strategy
only the stupid and stupid do the opposite, they sell talented young players
it means that they don't want to invest in the future and obviously for me this makes them become dead teams

Some teams have no interest in doing this, they have become listed companies their aim is to make money
Managing new talent is expensive and not very profitable, which is why they prefer to buy and exchange.  They are no longer talented coaches but traders.
Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, but their job is different now.  This in my opinion.

In Italy very few coaches try to put young talent in the team, especially in the big teams almost no one wants to take the risk of constantly using young talent, and almost no one bets on young Italians, one of the many reasons why the Italian national team is the worst in the last 50 years. Only Allegri I have seen often use promising young people but he has paid the consequences

It is not easy to build team by fulfilling most of the players using young talents, there will be several conditions and also risks that can occur such as decline in performance when young players cannot develop properly and can be detrimental to the team if young players experience unwanted things such as injuries.
For now, every Serie-A team prefers and prioritizes being able to fulfill all the needs of players with mature age and have more dominant skills.
Difference in the past and now has been very clear, in the past Serie-A became League that had most of the teams able to create great young generation, almost every team could develop players and make young players valuable assets.
Now maybe we can only see young players who already have quite good careers, each team does not dare to take risks and choose shortcuts by buying young players who have succeeded in developing from other League team.

But it can be admitted that Allegri is one of the last coaches who still often uses young players and tries to develop hidden talents, unfortunately he failed and there was no success as expected.

[babo]

building a team that works takes a lot of work
it is not enough to simply buy strong players, in fact you can very well see that often Brazil, which certainly has the strongest players in the world, is not able to orchestrate these talents well
the problem is to fit together talents that compensate each other and also people with a character that compensates for each other
Furthermore, we need to create a harmonious environment where working together is a pleasure

It's not easy, you have to work many months for this

[Sg4j1n3ll0]

building a team that works takes a lot of work
it is not enough to simply buy strong players, in fact you can very well see that often Brazil, which certainly has the strongest players in the world, is not able to orchestrate these talents well
the problem is to fit together talents that compensate each other and also people with a character that compensates for each other
Furthermore, we need to create a harmonious environment where working together is a pleasure

It's not easy, you have to work many months for this

It is true but let's also say that to work well they also need good players, I am thinking about an easy example, Juventus for example is the classic club that the thing are not going well because there was a coach who could not Orchestrate all the talents of the group and I honestly see it like this, better its departure, with a new coach the speech changes but it is difficult and it takes time, I also see a coach who wants to upset everything like Antonio Conte who wants to all Costs Lukaku in my opinion has a strong team that needs only time instead he wants at all costs new players and so it will be the ruin of the team!

[len01]

-snip

But the point is, teams in Serie A have been deemed still willing to play older players compared to the Premier League which relies heavily on speed. But that doesn't mean that the teams in Serie A all play older players more than young players because after all, the proof is that there are still Serie A teams that are still successful by relying on and/or maximizing young players and also about Atalanta who managed to become the team that won the Europa League last season with the young players he had as well.

The reason is quite simple, if the team from series A is more believed that older players are more professional and have great experience in all competitions and certainly have a great mentality. Not that only relying on old players, but some teams have also begun to rely on young players who are currently in the process of building the expertise possessed by the young player.
And on the one hand when comparing EPL with series A, in my opinion it makes no difference. Because these two leagues are equally competitive and in fact there is no dominance and Inter becomes a strong candidate in UCL a few seasons ago when qualifying for the final round.

[Distraction]

It is like Juventus has stopped after being a little active in the transfer market. I wonder why... Maybe they aren't able to find any team to buy the players they are targeting to sell this summer?    Because in this way Juventus won't only make more money. They will get rid of useless players also. Normally I wouldn't say Chiesa is useless but I'm afraid he is also in this list.

I think Chiesa just doesn't have a good chemistry with this team. I believe he can be more productive with the right choice. There are still many other players to be sold by Juventus but new season is nearly upon us...

If they don't finish the needed transfers I doubt Motta's first season more. 

[Slow death]

In Italy very few coaches try to put young talent in the team, especially in the big teams almost no one wants to take the risk of constantly using young talent, and almost no one bets on young Italians, one of the many reasons why the Italian national team is the worst in the last 50 years. Only Allegri I have seen often use promising young people but he has paid the consequences

How stupid really, young talent should be an investment for teams to make and not a way to punish coaches who use them.
Then you just have to spend millions to buy players who are in fashion, another stupid thing.
I honestly don't understand this, but I can't help it.

It's not just about Allegri which playing young players because after all, other teams in Serie A also still have young players and in fact about Inter, who won the Scudetto, also has Lautaro Martinez who is a key player in their success. Do you know how old Lautaro Martinez is now? he is currently 26 years old but they still managed to be the best in Serie A. Also, there are still other teams in Serie A who play and maximize their young talents and not only Allegri. So, I don't agree if you conclude that Allegri's dismissal was because he failed to maximize the young talent in the Juventus squad.

But the point is, teams in Serie A have been deemed still willing to play older players compared to the Premier League which relies heavily on speed. But that doesn't mean that the teams in Serie A all play older players more than young players because after all, the proof is that there are still Serie A teams that are still successful by relying on and/or maximizing young players and also about Atalanta who managed to become the team that won the Europa League last season with the young players he had as well.

From what I could see last season, Atalanta didn't have many young players. When I talk about young players, I'm referring to players under the age of 20. For example, the ages of Atalanta's players:

Ademola Lookman = is a 26-year-old player

Charles De Ketelaere = is a 23-year-old player

Matteo Ruggeri = is a 22-year-old player

Teun Koopmeiners = is a 26-year-old player

Éderson = is a 25-year-old player

El Bilal Touré = is a 22-year-old player

Giorgio Scalvini = is the only Atalanta player who is 20 years old

But most of Atalanta's players are under the age of 27. So I consider this as a team made up of young players. The problem is that there are not many Italian players at Atalanta who are very young and who stand out in the team, in the sense of being the best players on the team. This means that Atalanta is preparing players from other national teams instead of preparing players for the Italian national team. Juventus, Milan, Inter and Roma have also focused a lot on foreign players and not on Italian players.

It is like Juventus has stopped after being a little active in the transfer market. I wonder why... Maybe they aren't able to find any team to buy the players they are targeting to sell this summer?    Because in this way Juventus won't only make more money. They will get rid of useless players also. Normally I wouldn't say Chiesa is useless but I'm afraid he is also in this list.

I think Chiesa just doesn't have a good chemistry with this team. I believe he can be more productive with the right choice. There are still many other players to be sold by Juventus but new season is nearly upon us...

If they don't finish the needed transfers I doubt Motta's first season more. 

Honestly, it's hard to understand how Juventus' management thinks. When they hired Allegri, Juventus' way of playing was very focused on defense. For a while, this way of playing worked to finish in the top 4. Then, Juventus' management fired Allegri and hired Motta', who has the same style of play as Allegri.

See the signings Juventus made:

Juan Cabal (Left-Back)

Douglas Luiz (Central Midfield)

Khéphren Thuram (Central Midfield)

Marley Aké (Left Winger)

I haven't seen Juventus signing great attackers, players who score a lot of goals. But they are focusing on improving the midfield and defense. I see Juventus playing exactly as they did last season when Allegri was the coach.

[giammangiato]

..
But it can be admitted that Allegri is one of the last coaches who still often uses young players and tries to develop hidden talents, unfortunately he failed and there was no success as expected.

He was attacked too much, many coaches make mistakes that he didn't do well, but he also had little material and little budget.
I don't feel like saying that his management was a failure, rather I would say that his management was aimed at containing and mitigating the problems that were already there.

[bastisisca]

It's not just about Allegri which playing young players because after all, other teams in Serie A also still have young players and in fact about Inter, who won the Scudetto, also has Lautaro Martinez who is a key player in their success. Do you know how old Lautaro Martinez is now? he is currently 26 years old but they still managed to be the best in Serie A. Also, there are still other teams in Serie A who play and maximize their young talents and not only Allegri. So, I don't agree if you conclude that Allegri's dismissal was because he failed to maximize the young talent in the Juventus squad.

But the point is, teams in Serie A have been deemed still willing to play older players compared to the Premier League which relies heavily on speed. But that doesn't mean that the teams in Serie A all play older players more than young players because after all, the proof is that there are still Serie A teams that are still successful by relying on and/or maximizing young players and also about Atalanta who managed to become the team that won the Europa League last season with the young players he had as well.

Of course it also depends on the style of play of the championship you are going to play in, in a championship like the Italian one strongly based on positional defense, playing fast players against experienced players might not be a good solution, at the beginning obviously.  In the long run you pay for letting older players play.

[boltz]

It's not just about Allegri which playing young players because after all, other teams in Serie A also still have young players and in fact about Inter, who won the Scudetto, also has Lautaro Martinez who is a key player in their success. Do you know how old Lautaro Martinez is now? he is currently 26 years old but they still managed to be the best in Serie A. Also, there are still other teams in Serie A who play and maximize their young talents and not only Allegri. So, I don't agree if you conclude that Allegri's dismissal was because he failed to maximize the young talent in the Juventus squad.

But the point is, teams in Serie A have been deemed still willing to play older players compared to the Premier League which relies heavily on speed. But that doesn't mean that the teams in Serie A all play older players more than young players because after all, the proof is that there are still Serie A teams that are still successful by relying on and/or maximizing young players and also about Atalanta who managed to become the team that won the Europa League last season with the young players he had as well.

Of course it also depends on the style of play of the championship you are going to play in, in a championship like the Italian one strongly based on positional defense, playing fast players against experienced players might not be a good solution, at the beginning obviously.  In the long run you pay for letting older players play.

Did we actually saw positional defense in the last couple of years ? because we can clearly see the Serie A is scoring and conceding a lot of goals lately and this means that their long time defensive style is almost gone. We can also see the effect on their national squad of Italy where they barely know how to play proper defense and on the same time, they are having huge offensive problems because there are no real talents within that squad who are playing for top 5 in Serie A and that is a problem that Italian football knows about it and want to resolve it by giving a lot of minutes to Italian players in their top 4-5 football clubs.